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[acewithapaintbrush]

I'm probably super late to the party but

WAFFLES NAME CONFIRMED

[crazyunsexycool]

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Henry on Valentine's day!

She was his classmate from kindergarten. At first Henry is all shy and secretive that he has a crush on a girl from his class. He secretly collects and makes stuff for her for Valentine's day.

Henry becomes invisible when he is all nervous. When Bucky caught him doing something, Henry immediately goes shy and invisible.

Then he tells his daddy about her. Bucky advises him what to do and Sugar is so happy and proud of her little baby making progress.

Henry let Lottie add her final touch of glitter to the card! Because of course Lottie is the best artist duh🤷‍♀️

Listen…. Listen!!! Omg how fucking cute is that!!!

Henry’s first crush

I think this moment would be so much more impactful to Henry because he’s already 8 years old and he’s done things that no child should ever do and most adult wouldn’t either. So he’d be in 3rd grade (technically) when he has his first crush. And all of this is so new to him so it can be a little bit overwhelming.

Our sweet boy doesn’t know how to go about it. Would he get in trouble for liking a girl? Henry’s not sure so he keeps quiet. Until Bucky notices that something’s going on and sits Henry down.

Initially he thinks that maybe someone is bullying Henry at school but when he finally gets the truth out Bucky can’t help but be proud.

I mean, Barnes men were ladies men, you know. 😉

It did take Bucky a while to get Henry to open up because the minute he walked if something was wrong Henry went completely invisible. But Henry told him everything and even showed him the Valentine’s Day card he was working on.

“Why a card?”

“You give mama stuff all the time and she loves it. I thought maybe Lily would like a gift too.” Henry says shyly.

“Lily huh? I think she’ll love it. Maybe we can go buy her some flowers too. What do you say?”

Henry smiles timidly but nods. Bucky ruffles his hair and tells him to keep working on his card. Then he immediately goes to tell sugar who in turn starts crying happy tears. Her baby has a crush? Who would have known it would be so soon.

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Before Valentine’s Day the Barnes family heads to the store where Henry guides Lottie to the toy aisle and lets her pick the stuffie she thinks his friend Lily would like the most.

“This one bubba.” She picks up a multicolored unicorn.

“Really?”

“Yeah, I see it. She lobes it.” Lottie nods.

“Thanks baby.”

“You welcome.” They hold hands all the way out of the store. Then they go to the flower shop and pick up a small but cute bouquet and a ballon that says happy Valentine’s Day.

****

Sugar had coordinated with Lily’s mom so that the kids could exchange gifts because apparently Lily couldn’t stop talking about Henry either. The day of thought Henry stood in his suit, going from visible to translucent and completely invisible.

“Take a deep breath baby. You’ll be fine.” Sugar says.

Now imagine Lily’s dad opening the door only knowing that one of Lily’s classmates is coming by not not expecting two avengers to be standing at his door.

Anyways the kids exchange gifts. The moms are recording and trying not to cry. The dada are standing there awkwardly. Henry and Lily have a great time. Henry tells Lily all about how his baby sister helped him with everything.

It’s very sweet and Henry starts to open up more and more as the school year goes by.

This is definitely one of the things that help him open up the most though!

[ill-be-istj-if-no-one-else-is]

Hello, Em! I was hoping you could help me out with mailing down my type. For background, I’m in my mid-twenties and am waffling between Fi-dom and Fe-aux. I’m cautiously calling myself and enneagram 9w1, but I’m sure of being an introvert, I’ve always been quiet and need time to regroup after spending too much time out and about. I tend to be fairly practical, taking a job I strongly dislike because bills need to be paid and I’d like to finish grad school with as little debt as possible. (1)

It doesn’t stop me from looking for a job more closely related to my field, and I’ll be honest it wears on me more than I’d like to admit, but it keeps the lights on for now. I’ve always been a very sensitive person, and it doesn’t take much to make me cry, when I’m invested in something, or I must deal with conflict. My dad would list my biggest weakness as being a bit of a pushover and taking on responsibilities that were never mine to begin with.(2)

I’ve always been spotted by bosses as reliable and because of this have been the one to pick up the slack in some positions. Despite this, I struggle to blend well with my environment. I can be polite, I can be quiet, but I can’t lie. Whenever people ask, it’s hard not to come out and say what I really think. If it’s someone who knows me well, I can generally just say what’s on my mind, but at work and with friends who aren’t as close, I have to bite my tongue. (3)

I’d say I’m a creature of habit, for the most part. I moved cross country a couple years ago, so it’s still a bit hard to gauge, but changes in routine (such as suddenly switching workstations or being asked to go get drinks RIGHT NOW) throws me off. For all that, I tend to get a little low when I’m not learning something new. I’ve taken up several new hobbies and interests because of this and have learned the basics of them all quickly. (4)

Most of them have been sensory hobbies, such as baking, knitting, and crochet. They also serve another purpose, as it’s a tangible way I can show my appreciation for those around me. It irritates me a little to have people ask me to make them things, because it’s not so much the tactile sensation that I love, it’s being able to keep those I care about warm and fed. If there’s anything else you need, I can fill this out more, and thank you so much! (5)

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Hi anon! This definitely sounds ISFJ to me. 9w1 also sounds reasonable:

Difficulty with conflict is definitely a 9 thing and so ISFPs who are 9s experience it, but it's very common with ISFJs. The taking on of responsibilities is both very Fe and Si, and aux-Fe users do have a bit of a reputation for being something of a pushover. The part about struggling to change routine is also extremely true to Si, as is the practicality.

Sensitivity is imo not super tied to any one function - I think feelers tend to be more outwardly emotional in general than thinkers but I've known very emotional FJs and FPs. I also think that difficulty lying is more a personal thing than tied specifically to MBTI.

As for learning new things - hobbies tend to be a place where people can explore their lower functions safely! I suspect taking on sensory hobbies (within your comfort zone) but in doing so, learning something new and developing a new internal and systemic understanding (Ne and Ti) is what appeals to you.

[the-sky-the-stars-the-sea]

Calling all Only Friends fans who are willing to discuss some mbti opinions

Sooooo I for one am obsessed with mbti, and I am always trying to figure out the mbti of every character in all media I can consume, and I wanted some of y’all’s opinions on 3 specific characters from Only Friends:

April

Dan

Boeing

I am on the Personality Database constantly, and I know Only Friends already exists there, but these three aren’t on that page, and I’m too lazy to add their profiles on their myself, so I’m asking y’all what you think their personality types are.

I’m gonna put my own opinions under the cut, you aren’t obligated to look at them, it’s totally valid if you wanna form your own opinions and then look at mine so mine won’t cloud your judgment before thinking up your own, if you do look at mine please don’t criticize me if you strongly disagree with me.

(Also I will happily talk about any character’s mbti in this show, or any other show/media (if it’s media I consume) for that matter, if y’all wanna discuss more!)

April: ISFP. I’m actually pretty sure on this one even though she hasn’t had that much screentime. However if she’s an ISTP that wouldn’t exactly surprise me. I might be stereotyping a bit since she’s into indie films, but overall I’ve just gotten the ISFP vibe from her.

Dan: either ENFJ or ISFJ. Yeah I know those two aren’t that much alike. That’s what confuses me about my opinions too. I am pretty sure he has strong Fe though. I think I may lean a little bit towards intuition for him because of how open he was to whatever Nick thought of the relationship, also ENFJ and INFP get along really well and usually work well romantically, and Nick is an INFP. I can’t tell if him saying he has never dated a younger person before is a sign of Si and he’s basically expressing he has no former experience to go off of or if it’s a sign of Ni because he’s open to trying it. Either way FJ types are both really good with communication, and he’s one of the only people in this series that communicates properly.

Boeing: I literally have no clue at all. He confuses me so much. Literally for all the letters I’m like “yeah I can’t see any particular lean.” I feel like if he took the test all the percentages would be pretty close to even. He has his own agenda but can easily fit into any situation. Based off of that though, I’m gonna say perceiving type. My gut is telling me IxFP, and if he were an ISFP the “Mew is a better version of me” comment would make sense since Mew is an INFP (look I know the consensus on the pdb right now is INFJ but nah my boy Mew is an INFP) (sorry again for stereotyping ISFPs, I really gotta examine my biases as an intuitive person now). But honestly though I think he sees the bigger picture too much to be a sensor. As for extroversion vs introversion… I think he’s an ambivert? He’s not really radiating enough extroverted energy for me to type him as E, but even as I write this I’m starting to doubt myself. As for why I think he’s a feeler, I just see Fi in him. But like,, again, if he has dom Ti and inf Fe that also wouldn’t surprise me. I am not any more sure than how I was when I started this paragraph of nonsense.

Hope you enjoyed my musings!

[sorrowfulsoul]

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[yourghastlycloseness]

mistype?.?,?!!???

a few months ago, was chatting with an mbti typist chatGPT bot. after half an hour of chatting, it suggested i was an INFJ. i didnt agree with it, pointed out possibilities for INTJ, which i have been scoring, and INFP, which i scored as a 17 year old taking the test for the first time, and an INTP throughout university

after some more time, the bot said that i was probably an INFJ and they confirmed this was their final guess (ofc i cld manipulate it to get a diff answer lol) and i just thought thats bullshit. im not an FJ type at all, but now that im listening to FJ types talk, theres something really relatable abt their thought process and performance anxiety. it’s the need to do better, do better so ppl will think well of me, etc.

but idk. i likely fall into such tendencies at times that’s just because i’m a firstborn parentified daughter lol. the difference btwn me and an FJ type is that at some point, after considering how a decision affects the group and the results it cld produce etc. i ultimately just do whatever i think/feel is best, which is usually whatever produces measurable results, even if i upset some ppp

i care about what people and don’t want to upset because i see how discontent and strife within the group slows us down. it doesn’t come as much from a people-pleasing place as it does from a “let’s just get the job done” place

k so maybe not mistyped at all but i didnt think id ever find FJs relatable

smth that will do me good is to learn to use Si more and stay grounded. ive noticed i bank on it because of anxiety. but outside of that, i take little inspiration from my past and can barely remember it. not sure if thats more bcos i dont want to or dont need to

i am haunted by certain ghosts frm the past, but i dont rmb exactly why theyre haunting me. i see the form they take but cant figure out the “business” thats keeping them here bcos i dont fully rmb what happened. i think i write over my past and align what i do rmb with whatever vision i have for myself and where i want to be

[scottahemi]

Toyota unveiled like 25 concept cars the other day. while everyone was focused on the FJ, MR2, Lexus si, eses? and EV Tacoma i noticed this little oddball cyberpunk delivery van!  Toyota called it the MIcro Box.  and I drew it! 

[mbti-notes]

Are you familiar with Little Women? Is Beth INFP or ISFJ? I don't really see enough Ne or Fe. I'm wondering how to determine the aux when her life/dev was cut short. Is Amy ESFP or ENFJ? You've said that using the tert is more likely to lead to problems, but how to differentiate an impulsive kid or unhealthy Se? I don't know what Laurie is and I'd love to hear any thoughts of yours. Thanks

I haven’t read the book. I’ve watched the 1994 and 2019 film adaptations and read some literary commentary. I don’t know whether I’ve captured the true spirit of the characters in my mind yet. 

The story is a period piece at this point, which means that context is very important for getting into the minds of the characters. That is, we should avoid projecting our current understanding about personality expression onto past eras. Theirs was a time when people, especially women, were not afforded the freedom that we have today to be oneself and pursue one’s own happiness. They were also quite limited in their exposure to the wider world, thus, new and diverse learning opportunities were rare and to be cherished. Despite being in financial hardship and difficult political times, I believe that the girls had a good moral upbringing. The fact that the girls eventually learned the right things to focus on in life is a credit to their mother’s strong and steady influence. Given this backdrop, I think there will be more examples of healthy than unhealthy function use. The girls are well-adjusted people.

Yes, it is more difficult to assess children, as they do not express the functions in typical adult fashion. Adults have the benefit of many years of feedback about their function use and they are more consistent in their function expression, whereas children are in their experimental phase and often misfire in their attempts to use a function. That is, there is a lot of “noisy” data to sort through when observing kids.

Beth

I’ve often seen words like “shy”, “pious”, and “industrious” used to characterize her. I don’t think introvert is in doubt. Her manner is reserved, she prefers to keep to herself, and she is self-motivated. I don’t think F is in doubt. She cares very deeply and her judgments/decisions are largely informed by her feelings. 

Other than the expected imaginative play of all children, I don’t see any evidence of Ne, and she should be showing some significant signs at her age. Being P means being a prospector of information. She lacks the curious, exploring, and adventurous mindset of NPs. Shy and reserved INFPs still find ways to explore the world safely such that they feel brave in their own way (a great example that pops to mind is the character Amélie from the film of the same name). But Beth is perfectly content to close herself off from practically every opportunity to venture out into the world, and there were some very good opportunities presented to her that NPs typically wouldn’t be able to resist. She prefers that life is tightly structured around familiar people, routines, and comfort zones, where she is able to feel in control of her own realm. Of all the sisters, she seems to enjoy her routines the most, as she is most likely to perform her chores and duties without complaint or requiring admonishment. Dutiful, obedient, routine, and “industrious” behavior does not come naturally to INFPs (i.e. not without coercion of some kind), in fact, they tend to really struggle with it unless they are motivated by deep passion. Therefore, there’s compelling evidence that Si is the higher function.

One of the main arguments I’ve seen for INFP revolves around Beth’s strong moral beliefs. If every person with strong moral beliefs is Fi dom, the world would be overrun with them. Why is it that, of all the types, SFJs are known for being the best caregivers? Let’s not do them a disservice by downplaying the strong moral beliefs that FJs are also capable of. It’s more important to look at the source of the beliefs and how exactly they are expressed. 

To me, the word “pious” invokes Si more than Fi. A pious person is a rule-abider at heart, someone who deeply respects tradition and ritualistic expressions of it. A pious person also faithfully corrects un-pious behavior, as a form of self-improvement. Challenging oneself to be “proper” (Si) is somewhat different than feeling “good” (Fi). I would argue that Beth’s morality comes from her sense of what is proper and “expected” of people, as picked up in very literal terms from her mother’s pithy advice. Beth is acutely aware of how her suffering might impact others and tries her best to put people at ease. She also never needs to be told twice and she doesn’t struggle with moral decisions in the way that her sisters do. 

INFPs often feel conflicted when decision-making because they tend to be full-to-the-brim with conflicted feelings after having prospected too many Ne possibilities. Beth does not seem to suffer this common problem because she’s not just about following her feelings and she’s not as full of conflicted feelings as one would expect of INFPs (i.e. F is not dominant). She is naturally good at managing feelings and keeping them in check because her main approach to information is to structure it with rules and regulations. And purposely keeping her world very contained to the known and simple is a way of making doubly sure that the rules are never difficult to follow. Luckily for her, she lived during a time when it was still relatively easy to choose a small and simple life, away from the stressors of the world at large. She didn’t get to experience the weeds of developing Fe because she purposely kept life simple socially, and then she died before she was forced out into the real world. 

Amy

Aside from the impulsiveness one would expect of children, I’m not sure I see other significant signs of Se dom. Fortunately, we do get to see her grow up, and the mature Amy doesn’t resemble ESFP. 

One of the main differences that I look for between ESFPs and ENFJs is the degree to which they “think” about how to socialize and fit in. ENFJs approach socializing in a much more complicated way than ESFPs, for better and for worse. ENFJs are more “calculating” socially (for lack of a better word) because Fe relies on knowledge of social norms to achieve social acceptance. ESFPs tend to fit in more naturally by virtue of being themselves and showing off whatever obvious talents or good qualities they have. The more ESFPs “think” about how to socialize, the more they fumble socially, because they get further and further away from themselves (i.e. betrayal of Fi + poor use of Ni). The more carefully ENFJs think about how to socialize, the more they succeed at climbing the social ladder, because they are better able to abstract the essential rules for socializing well (i.e. good use of Fe + Ni). 

As a result of this main difference in “complexity” of socializing, ENFJs tend to think/talk a lot more about fitting in (how to do it and how to behave the right way), whereas ESFPs tend to reject abstract talk about “how to” and prefer to “just do it”, since complexity only leads them astray. Notice how Amy gives Jo and Laurie unsolicited advice about how to be “better”, i.e., more acceptable. ESFPs aren’t likely to interfere with people like that because they don’t possess complicated “social worries” to project onto others.

Amy often gets obsessed about particular things that she believes are necessary for “moving up in the world”, such as: physical appearance, material possessions, matters of etiquette, impressing the right people, learning the right crafts, developing the right skills, and so on and so on. Moving up in the world seems to be her main character motivation AND she’s a natural at it. ESFPs, with the strength and conviction of healthy Fi, tend to dislike/resent the idea of social hierarchy, so it pains them a lot more to feel forced into participating in categorizing people along those lines, and, in the end, they will feel that social rewards are meaningless if obtained through betraying Fi. ENFJs are much more willing to play the long social game, even when they are aware that it’s all an act, because Fe benefits much more greatly than Se from the rewards of social status. In the end, Amy makes the correct decision to prioritize her well-being over the superficial trappings of social status (Fe+Ni well-balanced).

Laurie

I’m not sure about him, either, because he’s a supporting character and we aren’t privy to all of his motivations. Being rich affords him a carefree life, so his personality development is rather slow due to not being challenged to grow. I think he’s introverted as he’s modest and unassuming, not one to actively seek out attention, esteem, or glory. I think he’s P as he doesn’t seem to require any structure and is content amusing himself with whatever he likes moment to moment. He seems to scrape by just fine no matter where he is or what he’s doing, and he doesn’t aspire to much more than drifting along. However, I think his lack of aspiration isn’t a natural part of his personality but more a result of him being bogged down by unresolved heartbreaks. He feels somewhat alone in the world (family issues). He dreams of being with Jo but she refuses him. He dreams of being a musician but feels torn about disrespecting his benefactor. He dreams of various careers but lacks the talent.

What’s his main motivation? I think he would love nothing more than to devote himself wholeheartedly to the people he loves. He’s basically willing to accept any sort of life as long as he gets to be with his loved ones. This deep romanticism indicates F, and if also P, then Fi dom. His long and deep devotion to the IDEAL of being with Jo might indicate Ne. Later, he longs for the past and his childhood relationships with Jo and the girls, which might be an indication of Fi-Si loop. He has mythologized Jo, their past together, and the future they could’ve had. It takes both Jo and Amy to make him face facts. A running theme in the book is how women are expected to be proper for men (so as to be a good influence and/or not lead them astray), and the sisters saving Laurie from himself is a good example of that.

Observe how he sizes up the girls and the ways in which he tries to care for and protect them. One thing that he seems to value a lot is “authenticity” and he tends to call them out for inauthentic behavior throughout the years. He had a hand in Amy re-evaluating her priorities. In return, Amy taught him that "authenticity” is a privilege (as women didn’t have the freedom to be authentic) and he came to admire her ambition and tenacity. He seems to think that he’s good at sizing people up, but she’s on a different level. I think that he was impressed by her blunt assessment of his lifestyle, probably because he had never encountered that sort of tough love (aka honesty) before. It seems that he needed someone to be tough with him, which is common for INFPs. Jo was always the star of the show, too self-involved to encourage his growth. Amy opened up his mind, which he seemed to sorely need for moving forward (perhaps Ne resolution).

[theaestheticdiariesx]

DongFeng Headcanons

Headcanons coming to you from @m-mimima and @lovesasusaku12 . Because we love the DongFeng couple and need more than what the show gave us. Though we were blessed with a lot.  

Both Dong Hua and Fj are super thirsty for each other and some of the women try to shift into FJ. Dong Hua catches on pretty quickly and questions them about all the things they did/do. He usually is still pretty ice face unless FJ is around and then all of his attention is on her. Everyone is confused af about this powerful, stoic god who is putty in FJ’s hands. 

Fj likes to hang out with new immortal General Ye, but she always makes sure that DH is around and flatters him a bit more than usual. Dh likes Ye, just not around his wife. 

Fj becomes more mature, but she is still FJ through and through. She still loves to play pranks and is super flustered when DH calls her Fu Ren. 

If anyone tries to bully Fj or say anything about DH or her family, she reminds them who her husband is. She is pretty powerful on her own, but there are some people that don’t listen to her. DH always shows up and silently supports her. 

After the ending of pillow book, DH and Fj finally get married. Dh personally issues a statement saying that he will destroy anyone that dares to stop or interrupt the ceremony. Needless to say, the ceremony goes well and they are finally together “officially”. 

DH being a baby and calling FJ back for slight injuries. She doesn’t really mind and loves to be around him. 

Zhi He dies when she comes back for visits and sees Dh and FJ together and tries to get in between them, but Dh stops her and is like why are you coming in between me and Fu Ren. FJ always gets flustered when Dh calls her Fu Ren. DF love to sit together at banquets and she serves him food and he ignores everyone but her and likes to tuck flowers in her hair. Fj gets sad thinking about Aranya, but DH reminds Fj that the failed fate brought them together. 

DH and Fj have three kids, two boys and a girl. DH slightly favors his little girl because she is basically a mini FJ. Fj and baby girl usually fight over who gets to sit in DH’s lap (in fox form). 

Dh is forever sad at missing Fj’s pregnancy with gun gun. So he keeps FJ close during her subsequent ones and is a super attentive husband. He likes to burns summons from the heavenly king for meetings, so FJ just goes with him. But he pays more attention to her and stops meetings to get something that FJ wants, and guilt trips fj with him missing Gun gun’s time. He hugs gun gun a little bit tighter and dotes on him too. 

The third pregnancy (baby girl) is the hardest on FJ. At night, she likes to grab DH’s hand and tells him to tell his restless child to stop and let her rest. He replies with “this one takes after their mother in being restless” but dies happily on the inside. 

Dongfeng babies are usually well behaved and the entire Bai family is astounded. But since they are the kids of two trolls,they love to pull pranks and never get caught. DH loves to join in the pranks. 

The babies join Dh in the meetings. He loves wearing the baby in slings and curl up against him when they are older.  If anyone gets too rowdy, then he points to the baby sling and tells them to settle down and not wake his kids. 

DH loving his family and having family dinners even after the kids grow up. He loves having his family surrounding him because he has been alone for way too long. He also makes sure that all of his family is protected. He doesn’t hover, but makes sure that they are okay. 

Dijun loves to spoil his daughter and carries her everywhere either in his arms or sitting on his shoulders. He teaches his daughter how to play Go and she eventually beats LS (as a small baby). Dh tells her to call LS “nephew” because he lost. Zhong Lin comes to tell him that FJ is calling the baby and DH is like *___*, I’ll take her. 

FJ uses her babies to get out of trouble. They usually just show up and say “Grandpa” and BOOM, forgiven. #noshame 

The DF babies are both mentally and emotionally smart. They are well behaved, but very naughty. They and BQ’s kids cause so much mischief. They love to prank Si Ming, who just accepts his fate. 

Everyone likes to cling onto FJ and she is all “I love you all, but i have stuff to do. When did i become the responsible one?” =_=“.

The sky kingdom is a lively place due to all the little ones (Df, BQ, and LS and Cheng yu’s kids). The girls have tea parties at Tai Chen Palace and FJ makes them pastries and DH provides the tea and hangs out for a bit with them. 

Zhi He dies every time she comes to visit and sees the df babies. She knows that she can’t do anything to them bc Dijun will not stand for it. Whenever Zhi he tries to pull anything, the babies call her Grumpy Old aunty instead of just aunt. She also dies seeing the (df) baby girl looking a lot like a mini fj. 

Xiao Yan joining the babysitting squad (He is always supervised with the kids). Dh’s baby girl develops a baby crush on Yan yan and Dh loses his mind and tells her no she doesn’t like him like that. Dh stays a little jealous of Xiao Yan and FJ is ???. 

DF’s daughter grows up to be a beauty (after her mother) and Dh threatens any suitors with his sword (he’s not subtle about it). LS uses his friendship with Dh to threaten away his daughter’s suitors. 

[mcheang]

Loyalty and honesty

What if Cheng Yu learned about how Jiheng stole Feng Jiu’s ideas about her special sword?

As a result, when Lian Song finally gives it to her, she rejects it because of the dishonesty involved.

Lian Song: alright, so I got Dong Hua to make it for me. But what’s so wrong about that? It is no different than if I bought it.

Cheng Yu: this sword is made with lies. You and Dong Hua are just blind to it.

Lian Song goes to ask for Dong Hua’s interpretation of that vague statement.

Dong Hua is invested because his mortal trial memories keep cropping up.

Lian Song admits Cheng Yu borrowed his blueprints.

Dong Hua realized that she had a hand in his mortal trial and goes to confront Cheng Yu.

The men find Cheng Yu practising her martial arts. Next to her is a batch of cotton rose ointment.

Dong Hua: where did you get this ointment?

Cheng Yu: Qingqiu of course. I have a Friend there who made it for me.

Dong Hua knew Qingqiu was the kingdom of foxes.

Dong Hua: did this same person also borrow Lian Song’s blueprints from you.

Cheng Yu froze, her reaction a dead giveaway. “No,” she lied anyway.

Dong Hua: are you lying to me?

Cheng Yu: of course not. How would I dare to lie to you?

Dong Hua: you certainly had the nerve to ask after my baby fox at my wedding.

Dong Hua analysed Cheng Yu’s bold posture. It was stiff and uncomfortable but also unyielding. She was defending someone, and was willing to defy him to do it.

Lian Song recognised it also, and worriedly interjected, “Dong Hua, let’s move on. It’s just a dagger.”

Cheng Yu recognised the cause of this and had to refrain from sighing in exasperation. 混蛋！see what you have gotten me into!

Dong Hua: Did you know that my baby fox once made that same paste for me?

Cheng Yu: what a coincidence

Dong Hua: that same baby fox also wounded the demon princess

Cheng Yu: such a discerning fox to recognise a cheat!

Dong Hua: do you know why the baby fox harmed Jiheng when it also owes it life to her?

Cheng Yu swelled red with fury. Jiheng may have tended to Feng Jiu in that lotus prison, but her stupid snow lion also nearly killed Feng Jiu. As far as Cheng Yu was concerned, they owed nothing to the runaway disgrace.

Cheng Yu took a deep breath. “Your majesty, have you truly investigated the matter? Did you think to wonder maybe Jiheng had wronged the fox before she scratched her?”

Dong Hua paused, surprised by the idea. But based on what Lian Song said about Cheng Yu’s reaction.... “Are you implying that the baby fox was the one who improved the blueprints and Jiheng stole the credit.”

Cheng Yu closed her eyes before deciding to give them a half-truth. Clearly the emperor was invested in this and won’t accept any excuse she could come up with.

“Some time after you locked the baby fox, Si Ming found it nearly tortured to death in the water.”

Dong Hua was shocked.

“Turns out Jiheng’s snow lion had beaten her up for accidentally scratching the princess.”

Lian Song kept his gaze on Cheng Yu. He was also surprised at how much information she had hid away.

“When Si Ming had healed the fox enough, she decided to bid you farewell. We agreed to help her out. But before she left, she decided to leave behind a farewell wedding present. Did your majesty ever notice some roasted potatoes on the pavilion table? You certainly didn’t notice her absence, not until long after I inquired about her.”

Dong Hua remained stockstill, absorbing the information.

After a while, he asked, “Is she now in Qingqiu.”

Chengyu reluctantly nodded. “She has decided to move on and start over there.”

Sensing his curiosity and concern, she hastily warned, “She wants a clean break.”

Dong Hua: if that were so, then why did she appear in my mortal trial.

Cheng Yu paled again.

Dong Hua had actually only guessed at this but he turned out to be right.

Cheng Yu: After some time in Qingqiu, the fox was able to gain enough cultivation to have a human form. She told us everything. When Si Ming met up with her, he mentioned your mortal trial. The fox was curious about you and went to check up on you. She saw you were in danger and could not help but save you again. She didn’t realize she had interfered in your trial. Si Ming told her she had to take her place in your love trial then. Only then would she owe you nothing thereafter.”

Dong Hua paused. All this heartache he had been feeling was caused by his little fox. “I want to see her.”

Cheng Yu: she doesn’t want to see you. The moment you come along, she’ll go hiding.

Dong Hua: i owe her an apology

Cheng Yu: you can repay it by leaving her alone. I told you, she wants a clean break and move on.

Dong Hua ignored her, “What is her name?”

Cheng Yu: I can’t say. You never gave her a name. In the mortal realm, she was known as 九夫人, after the nine tailed foxes of Qingqiu who took her in.

Lian Song interposed: Dong Hua, let us think about what to do back at your palace.

After much debating, Dong Hua had to respect his pet’s wishes. If she didn’t want to see him, he would not force her. But he instructed Lian Song to give Cheng Yu the following items to his former pet.

1. A necklace fit for a queen (FJ can’t wear this because it would identify her)

2. A large sum of gold

3. The tiancang cage to protect her

4. A painting he and she had worked on together

5. An invitation to be his disciple (pass!)

6. Her favourite sweet and sour fish (thrown in the trash)

When Dong Hua visited Feng Jiu, he recognised the protective cage on her. Thus began his interest in her.

Oh sure, Feng Jiu still wound up in Fanyin Valley. But seeing the tension between her and Jiheng, Dong Hua refused to allow that stupid tea competition.

When Feng Jiu helped save Dong Hua from Miao Luo and he suspected their connection, he could no longer keep away as much. He had been trying to respect Feng Jiu’s wishes...sorta...he never brings up their past.

He moves in with her.

At the restaurant, Dong Hua defends Feng Jiu’s cooking ability when Jiheng questions it.

Then there’s the whole fruit contest...Dong Hua learned his lesson about getting the whole story. He sent Lian Song to ask Cheng Yu or Si Ming. Since Dong Hua already knows about her involvement in his trial, they explain the Qingti situation.

When Jiheng asks for the fruit, Dong Hua says she will have to ask Xiao Bai. But from what he heard, it won’t be a problem. Xiao Bai will share with Yan Chiwu and the latter will give his half to Jiheng.

Dong Hua takes Feng Jiu out of Valley, but by that time he already has to protect her from Miao Luo and has fallen in love.

Sorry Feng Jiu, it seems Dong Hua can’t leave you alone after this.

[confusedinfj]

The Elusive Entp

and how to handle them

There are lots of fake entps out there, so I have compiled random notes about the few/actually many statistically that I know/handle on a regular basis. Some of this may apply to other tps, but I'm writing specifically here. Featuring gifs of people I'm pretty sure are entps, but might change my mind knowing me aha.

Summary of All Entps:

Childlike, but this can be in a good way. Entps aren't meant to grow up in the same way as an Sj, they're always gonna a be a little bit like a small kid. ♥

In a relationship, entps can seem very chill and charming at first. But they can also have avoidant tenancies and fear of low Fe. They're a little insecure before peak Fe development, so they might try to make you jealous if they feel threatened. Who threatens an entp? Only people you like or respect that they feel are better than them. Entps don't like being trumped, their Ti can be a little immature this way 😋

Entps respect independence and intelligence, and they really like intuitives. They like debating everything and throwing around dumb ideas for the fun of it when they're relaxed.

Can be very quiet and intraverted when not comfortable, or just when a little stressed or tired. Can be mistaken for an fj or fp when well developed, especially an enfj or enfp.

Entps always have a reason for what they're doing or saying, even if it's a 'dumb' one. So if your entp says they don't know why they're doing something, don't buy it. They have a secret agenda. 😉

Entps can be accidentally callous or even deliberately mean, but they're also really paranoid about upsetting people. They can be easily pushed around if they feel low Fe guilt.

^surprisingly, this is when an *nfj can step in and say 'um... No? Don't let them guilt trip you!'

Summary of Young Entps:

Happy, outgoing, cheeky, kids who wanna work out how everything works and how they can do it all themselves. Have some spectacularly dumb ideas, but they're so little it's all cool.

^this Ti development is what *nfjs go through in later teens, when they actually have to suffer and sound spectacularly dumb cos they're not a kid. So entps are a natural help here, and they're not too mean cos they remember when they used to be dumb too.

Summary of Depressed/Looping/Immature Entps:

When they're rejecting their childlike nature, they can be childlike in a really bad, immature emotional way.

When they're depressed they can be boring, withdrawn, paranoid, and irrational. They can become convinced everyone hates them and only see the negative.

They can use immature Fe to manipulate people. They might use their Fi Trickster function to convince you they're the victim when they're not.

They're very sensitive to society and gender roles and stuff, and want to fit in very badly (low Fe I guess). But they also want to be feared and admired for their cunning, so they can be really mean, even on purpose, only to be really upset when people hate them for it. And if you don't hate them for it and are kind in spite of it, they'll cry.

Overly secretive, then gets upset when people don't know who they really are.

^ would just like to add that, interestingly, this is ALL the same rubbish *nfjs have gone through when younger, so they're defs natural friends. *nfjs basically demonstrate to *ntps that Fe is there to help you care for people, not care about how they see you (though obvs it does both). It's also not there to charm people into doing what you want so that you never have to put in the effort of actually growing a friendship 😂

Also, over emotional, dramatic, and unstable, like any immature person.

Notes on Female Entps:

Obsessed with body image, a lot of them seem to have eating disorders. Also want to be smart, but very conscious of society's expectations about their looks in particular. Not comfortable with who they are, would like to be an Fj or a Tj. Want to be kind and caring, but also cut throat and ruler of everything.

Notes on Male Entps:

Obsessed with being seen as intelligent and basically as tj as possible. Wants to be cut throat but can't pull it off emotionally or strategically - frustrated when people get the better of them. Very upset when people dislike them because of their nastiness. Unable to accept intellectual failure, so struggles to learn from mistakes.

Points on How to Handle Them:

Entps who are immature cannot be helped. They must help themselves. Your only goal here is to not get used or hurt by their poor Fe.

Be mean. Not actually mean, tough love mean. Entps benefit from Te or te look alikes like low Ti.

Be kind. That's the main one. Truly hurt entps withdraw. They go all quiet and their eyes go big, or maybe they tense their jaw and try to look mad. In that situation you should be kind over tough love, cos you don't want them to go into their paranoid 'everyone hates me' loop.

The easy way to tell whether their sudden tears are real? How easily they can stop when you say 'stop it, that's fake' or even 'I believe you'. Crying entps are very upset and will not be able to just STOP crying. (You could also try tasting the tears, cos sad ones are salty and fake ones aren't, but that might be weird). As well as that, entps truly crying are generally on low Si and will moan about how they're going to fail and they've ruined their lives, whereas fake crying entps will moan about how they've upset you or other random things they think may shut you up.

See intent. Don't listen to what the entp is actually saying, hear what they mean. It will save you a lot of time being offended 😂

Explain yourself. Entps on the internet have a reputation as being emotionally callous, but they're not if you can explain it. 'When you do this, I feel this way because' was a formula invented for our Tp friends, and it will usually soften an entp (I'm sure there are bad exceptions!).

Stay calm. Don't expect your entp to be a j - it will kill you all. Your entp will probably improve over time, but don't plan on it.

Be honest. Really, don't bother keeping any secrets from your entp. They'll just invent a terrible, paranoid narrative or completely not notice. Their low Fe will assume everything is fine, and when you finally break it to them they've been upsetting you the whole time, their little tp hearts will break 💔

Discuss your expectations. Expect to negotiate your expectations.

Tell them when they're arguing and refuse to engage as much as possible. Debate and fruitful discussion only.

Copy your entp. If your entp gets overly aggressive or upset all of a sudden, match their reaction with your own. They'll usually realise how completely irrational it is. (For example, if entp says 'WHY DID YOU WARM UP MY FOOD, I LIKE IT COLD?!' be like 'OH MY GOODNESS I'M SO SORRY, I CAN'T BELIEVE I DID THAT, HOW COULD I NOT HAVE REMEMBERED, OUR LIVES ARE OVER'. They'll usually laugh with you at that point

Don't be nasty. If you can't do the above things from a kind place, don't do them. Entps aren't always emotionally clued up, but they can be very sensitive to negative intentions.

Randomly ask them what they're keeping from you. If they instantly look away (even if they frown, smile, whatever) they're probably keeping something... Entps actively keeping secrets generally isn't healthy. Entps have Ti, so they might forget to mention stuff. But if they purposely hold stuff back, it's usually bad. They'll probs try to justify keeping it to themselves and construct a paranoid narrative about you, so don't let them drift too far if you can.

Don't take it personally. High maintenance required for immature/depressed/looping entps. Like walking on eggshells and pulling chicken's teeth all at once.

Enjoy their strange affection. Functioning entps are very warm and caring, even if it is in slightly strange ways.

Expect the unexpected. No, not in a romantic way. Entps are romantic, but they're given too much credit for actually doing stuff about it. Unexpect the expected. Entps don't want to do anything just cos it's expected, so tell them explicitly if you want something... And then don't expect them to remember. Just in case.

Talk about everything. Don't ridicule any idea, just discuss it and the entp will realise how unrealistic it is if it is. They probs just having fun anyway.

Lead the way. Entps want deep friendships, but they don't often know how to get there - or they just don't bother getting there. Just do your thing, they'll probably follow. Entps can be flighty and hard to pin down, but they'll probably tell you straight up if they don't like you or want to hang out.

Ditch them once in a while. Entps respect independence and will quickly get bored if you just cling. But don't ditch them too much, cos they're also insecure and jealous when pushed (who isn't?).

Don't pat their ego. Your entp isn't always going to be the smartest/prettiest/best in general person in the room, so don't reassure them that they are. Reassure them that they're your choice and you love them, but don't indulge their fantasies.

[ill-be-istj-if-no-one-else-is]

Hello, Em! I was wondering if you would mind helping me find my type? I’ve narrowed it down to the Si-doms (slight margin of error for the IFP types, but I don’t see enough evidence for Ne or Se to be sure), but from there I’m having a hard time determining which fits better. I feel weakest when I don’t have much structure, and at work, I can be a bit of a pain because I’m always asking for clarification on new tasks. In college, I always felt like the vague assignments where the instructor (1)

doesn’t actually tell what they want were the worst. Most people see me as the logical one in the group. I think part of why I’ve maintained that image is that most of my family (especially my mom’s side) has never learned how to deal with their emotions well, so they try to always joke or become sarcastic. I’ve always gotten along with my dad’s family because I never feel like I’m being used as some sort of verbal target practice. I’ve never been good with expressing how I feel and prefer to (2

show it through actions. Whenever I’m dealing with family, I’m always honest (or else just quiet), and even when I’m talking to someone I don’t know well, I have a hard time softening the blow. I try, but it’s not something that comes easily. I’m typically relieved when someone else can take over dealing with people because I hate having to deal with people when they get upset. I typically take a quick dislike to people I think are too dramatic, but as long as they’re nice I can get over (3)

it fairly quickly. One of my favorite things about my boss is that he always asks how I’m doing when I come in in the morning and he always willing to jump in and cover shifts if he thinks someone’s not feeling well. I also have a difficult time with people who jump into things without thinking. One of my major issues with my mom is that I sometimes feel like I’m having to constantly re-plan things around her last-minute decisions. One of the things that my dad always points (4)

out as a weakness is that I’m too nice to people. I have a really hard time saying no to people, and I can be really easy to guilt trip. I’ve been pulled into a lot of things I really didn’t want to do because someone else talked me into it. A few years ago, I went with a group to an amusement park, and I got dragged along on things that I hated, all because my cousin asked. Even on the occasions when I have stood my ground, it’s taken a huge toll on me to know that I’ve disappointed someone (5)

I’m often torn between what others say about me and what I actually think. Every time I rediscover MBTI I get sucked into this endless loop of trying to somehow make sense of all the things others have said about me, what I think, and how it fits into the system. I was trying to pick a college major, I was constantly asking others what they thought would be a good choice, because I genuinely didn’t know what I wanted. I knew things I didn’t want (marketing psych, which I felt were mercenary) (6)

but I was torn between what I felt I ought to do (something that helped others) and what I was really interested in (history). I never thought of myself as good with people, but most people I know tell me that I come off as very sweet and likeable. Maybe not warm, but approachable and unintimidating. I tend to come off as studying people and waiting to judge them, even though there are some things where I just say NOPE and it can take years for me to change my mind. (7)

I did that when I first met my sister’s now husband. I thought they were rushing things and I was pretty upset over how much my sister had changed after they met. I’m still warming up to him, but he seems harmless. I’ve never been one to share my feelings with other people, but it can be so helpful to at least see them written out. I typically will have a decent idea of what I feel, but writing it down helps me really understand it and see when I’m really just being silly. Thank you!! (8)

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Hi anon,

This absolutely sounds like ISFJ; I would rule out the Fi-Te axis completely given the emphasis on what other people want and their opinions and I suspect the only reason you considered high Fi was the commonly-found, but in my opinion incorrect statement that Fi users are more private with their emotions.

Your conclusion of high Si seems right; you have difficulties with spontaneity and prefer clear, specific instructions, and prefer to observe before making up your mind though can be very slow to change it, and this post has a lot of very concrete examples.

As mentioned the strong emphasis on what other people want, at times to the exclusion of what you want, and placing a high value on social niceties seems clearly like Fe. Not all high Te users are sarcastic but I've found a lot of them (myself included) are at least very comfortable with it/don't mind a little verbal target practice as long as they can return it to sender. ISTJs (and other TJs) are also typically far more comfortable turning down requests from others and tend not to rely on others quite as much for personal decisions or self-assessment, especially since it sounds you're either towards the end of your college career or shortly post-college and would probably have at least some capacity to use tert Fi if you had it.

One thing I've thought about a lot regarding FJs and being "the logical one" is that I do think self-assessements are sometimes erroneous, but also, especially if you're in your early-to-mid-20s and especially if you have a more spontaneous friend group, an ISFJ very well might be the logical one. Maybe not in the academic sense of logical, but in terms of common sense and making decent life decisions, yeah, an ISFJ will probably outdo most ENTPs even if the latter's Ti is higher, because a lot of behaviors motivated by Si and Fe (caution, consideration for the feelings of others) are smart things to do in terms of like, living life. It's less "logical" than "reasonable", but that's a pretty nitpicky distinction on my part. Plenty of deeply logical people are actually wildly unrealistic, because people don't behave logically, so the actual reasonable thing to do is, well, behave like an ISFJ and take past behaviors and relevant context and how people might feel into account.

[kendrixtermina]

Typology ft. White Diamond

Since the race to mbti White Diamond seems to have officially begun, I am now going to offer my take:

ISFJ

I guess we now finally know what one of these would look like as the main antagonist. Everyone (including, I admit, myself) assumed she’d be an xNTx.

It might be because she’s supposed to be the eldritch space goddess equivalent of a stepfordian suburban 50s mom, or simply as a counterpart/ negative image, since Steven, Pink and probably even Rebecca herself are all xSFPs.

Reasoning:

Introversion is clear, both from dysfunctional patterns involving seclusion and overreliance on an internal model of the world.

The next most obvious thing would be the Fe. She’s one of those introverts where you might not know they’re introverted if you just met them once without knowing how they spend their time. Hence probably a contact subtype but defs no full-on extrovert, especially considering how she acts when she finally does get out of her palace ship for once.

She’s actually fairly typical for a dysfunctional FJ when you think of it. The smiley surface friendliness with frighteningly little (or dramatic histrionics) beneath, the getting into other people’s business, the “for your own good”, the condescending chiding

She tries a breaking speech on Steven, has picked out, and makes use of, everyone’s weaknesses and makes the empire do her bidding without leaving her ship, and Status Quo/ Social Acceptability (or her version of it) is god, the need to solve actual problems be damned (the Si can’t have helped with that either - it’s also probably where you get her relative inertia as well as that nervous undercurrent she has)

Being the antagonist, she displays the negative aspects of Fe, but to her credit, it is to be noted that after her worldview has come apart,  the one thing that remains is that deep down, she actually does want to “make things better” even if she went about it in the wrongest way possible, and that’s probably part of why she was able to be persuaded.

Also, anyone who can be defeated by embarrassment must have Fe somewhere on their stack, and I say that as an INTP.

With the Fe comes also the very rampant lower Ti that is too prominent to be inf but also too unsophisticated for her to be a full on T - besides,  she hasn’t a shred of Perceiving going on.

Indeed Socionics would tell us that the 3rd function tends to be inflated/ exagerrated. She has all these ideas about how the world works and the people around her works and she hasn’t checked them with reality in ages - it’s not a shadow function, she makes decisions by it. But there isn’t really any curiosity and neither are these ideas of hers all that facetted or complex. This is probably also part of where we get the tendency to retreat and become distant when things aren’t going her way. (though Blue notes that she was way friendlier before things went south for good)

Finally She doesn’t see, or even actively refuses to see alternatives to her view of things, the thought she could keep ruling while keeping everything the same, like there was no need to her other PoVs or even go out and look at how her “perfect empire” is doing, so the inferior Ne is about as repressed as it gets, but it’s not wholly absent either, after all, when she does reconsider, she pulls a 180, though she’s rather uncertain in that role or situation.

She’s no perceiver, not even an extremly dysfunctional one, just not possible.

Thoughts on other Typology Systems:

She has this only-skin-.deep, pseudo maternal pseudo-warm veneer to her and heaps of “for your own good” but there’s not enough other-directed or abandonment-related reasoning for her to be a full-on two.

So I would say that we have ourselves a sexual 3(w2), likely sx/soc.  That would go with the 50s mom vibe and we sure have a perfectionist self-image concealing a relatively undifferentiated uncertain ego beneath, a tendency to view her “relatives” and belongings as reflecting upon her. Also, she lives in a flying, spaceworthy palace shaped like herself thats as 3 as it gets.

There’s also obviously a 5w6 or 6w5 fix somewhere in there.If I had to chance a guess on the tritype I’d say 361, but we’d need to spend a bit more time with her to get a feel on this, I’m way less confident here than with the mbti part.

Oldham wise... ugh we really need more data. The stereotypical answer would be to go for the “conscientious” because of the order fetish and there probably is a bit of that in there but I don’t find it that prominent. She doesn’t act that repressed or  argue based on values so much. I’d say she’s much more Inventive. (Idealized self image? Check. Bragging? Check.  Sensitive to humiliation? Check.”Chatty yet subdued” Check.  Fabulous? Check. Doesn’t really have the openness or branching out toward multiple talents but that’s explained by the other influences as well as circumstance. (They already worship her))- Also there’s probably some Sensitive in the mix as well which explains certain things better than conscientious does. , the two influenced level each other out somewhat.

Temperament wise I’d say she’s pr imarily phlegmatic (also odd for a main antagonist) but with hints of something more ‘explosive’ underneath. Leaning more towards PhlegSan than PhledChlor - she’s not goal directed, she simply throws tantrums.

Part of me is mildly frustrated I doesn’t quite line up nicely since the other Diamonds are such dead ringers. Yellow = Most choleric to ever choler. Pink = Sanguine as fuck. Blue = Need I even say melancholic. If you count Steven he’d be a PhlegSan specimen himself but in all the best ways.

Alignment is obviously Lawful Evil perhaps recently shifted to neutral.

Big 5 would be RLOEN - Haven’t the foggiest about hogwarts house actually, not even in terms of guesses or intuitions. Possibly Slytherin because she fits all the others even less but, like, it’s not nearly as obvious as with, say, Yellow

She’s too wrapped up in dysfunctonal patterns to gauge essence type but, probably some lunar in there? B/c reclusive, stubborn and not super mature. Could also be a hybrid type, we’d have to spend more time with her with her facade down.

Szondi wise she’s painfully p- and distinctly hy+ but anything more would be guessing.

As much as the energy center nonsense is a wasted opportunity for Diamond Puns, I’ll have to call Jack of Hearts on this one. You got surface politeness, conventionality and little affectionale nicknames. No clue what to do where old patterns don’t apply, but will absolutely say “Hello!” when expected to

PS:

I’m also positively surprised that I didn’t see any thinkpieces on this until after CYM when we actually got her internal mechanics. (Unlike when everyone declared Yellow an INTJ on her first appearance, when all that was really discernable there was “Lots of Te with lower Fi.” )

[spookymbti]

Type groupings

The way types are categorized/grouped confuses me. NF/NT/SJ/SP? EN/IN/ES/IS?

What would make more sense is categorizing by function. NP/NJ/SP/SJ. Or FP/TP/FJ/TJ. A mixture of both could work, but then it's not really consistent, but maybe more accurate to how they appear on the surface — NP/SP/FJ/TJ, since that's organized by extroverted function.

I can understand the NF/NT/SJ/SP groupings to an extent, except you have totally different orientations there — maaaaaybe similar surface appearance, but SFJs/NFPs are lookalike types, too. (Not saying NFJs/NFPs are lookalikes... Ne-Ni seems harder to confuse than Ne-Si/Si-Ne.) FJs are so different than FPs. In fact, there's a likely bit of friction.

NTs seem maaaybe slightly easier to confuse. Maybe. But they all do look pretty different, and that still comes down to Ni vs Ne. An NTJ is significantly more focused than an NTP externally. They're more businesslike.

SP and SJ both make more sense than the other categorizations, since it's focusing on common functions — AKA, common focus.

I'm not really sure how to fix the problem, though. Grouping by perceiving functions, you have NTJs sitting right next to NFJs, and both of them are going to look pretty different. Likewise, grouping by judging function, you have SFJs right next to NFJs, who also don't act quite similar... but at least that seems to work better.

What honestly makes the most sense to me, though it's still a little iffy, is what I mentioned before — NP/SP/TJ/FJ. Not-so-coincidentally, this is organized by what they extrovert, and so what they superficially resemble. Obviously, an ENTP and an ENFP work differently under the hood (although I think their differences would still look a little less pronounced than their INP counterparts — Ji doms, at pretty direct opposition with having opposite T/F axises...) They all share common Ne and an enthusiasm for potential.

SPs are in the same vein. They extrovert Se, which wants to seize the immediate environment and is very hands-on.

TJs extrovert Te. Businesslike. Straightforward. Pragmatic (not necessarily practical, in the case of NTJs, tho Te does lend an element of practicality N types lack.)

FJs extrovert Fe. Interpersonal, networking-oriented, people-focused.

I think it's also a good example of what types may get along superficially, at least with the SPs/NPs. Out of all of them, I feel like the TJs may experience the most friction between them — specifically NJ vs SJ. But at least they all have a common Te focus.

[readingontheroof]

Hi, would you mind answering a question for me? Can having a really good intuition about people be associated with Fe? I always thought this was a Ni thing, but Idk. I was pretty sure that my boyfriend is an ESFJ, but he frequently gets good or bad "vibes" immediately when he meets someone, and they always turn out to be accurate. I'm an INTP and can tell when something specific about a person creeps me out or doesn't add up, but I never get immediate gut instincts about people the way he does.

I think that the idea of vibes is so conceptual n nuanced that like basically anyone could have “intuitions” or “vibes” about people if that makes sense. I think Fe and Ni are the functions that relate to the most common meaning of that, but I can see how other functions could sort of amount to a similar concept. 

i think people with high Fe tend to know people well very quickly, and can get a feel for them. I also think ESFJs tend to be pretty observant about people, their habits, etc. Si can be very observant and detail oriented, and i could even see it functioning in an ESFJ to maybe cause a person to remind the ESFJ of someone else, which gives the ESFJ more info. I can see how an INTP would not feel like they can get accurate vibes off of people, since INTPs don’t have Ni, and their Fe is super low. I think a lot of people with Ni and Fe sort of keep track of the people around them, little clues they drop, how they might turn out, what they might do, how they relate to other people. Usually that’s all pretty automatic and subconscious, NFJs do it without thinking about it. 

I think most INTPs just don’t have that on their radar most of the time, it just isn’t something they’re paying attention to, and if they do notice something, they probably aren’t going to think to connect it to something else. An INTP i think could pretty accurately piece together a good profile of someone, that could predict behavior, but they’ve have to want to. It’d have to be a decision, and it’d take time. An NFJ or really any NJ or FJ would likely already amass all that information pretty immediately and automatically, amounting a “gut feeling” about someone. I can see how an SJ might have a similar process, using data they’ve already collected about other people rather than something predictive like Ni would.

[odium-amare]

Hi :) There's some little-known but important information about MBTI that you might want to check out: all the famous "function stacks" that tend to be taken for granted are incorrect. At best, they only refer to superficial traits that go with certain pairs of letters (“Fe” as FJ-traits, etc), not to the real functions, which are different from their widespread “definitions”. In reality, for example, ENFJs are Fe-Ne-Si-Ti, INFJs are Fi-Ni-Se-Te, etc. I have some long posts explaining this :)

This has got to be the most stupid thing I’ve read this morning. Thanks for that. 

Looks like another “INFJ” got butthurt by my post and in denial again. What’s new lmao.