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lostuntothisworld · 8 months ago

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Why Adrien has 2 amoks Theory: He is his own twin sister

Mister Bug: There will be a price to pay! Safari: I have nothing left to lose! Mister Bug: You do! You can lose yourself and the ones you love. You can lose anyone who loves you back. No matter who you are, there is always someone out there who loves you!

This is a theory I’ve mentioned before but it bears repeating now that we��re (hopefully) soon getting season 6.

There’s been some salt regarding the fact that Colt died so much later than Emilie, and it’s not unfounded. We don’t have an explanation for why two “identical” sentikids caused such different outcomes for their creators.

The Peacock Miraculous was broken by mysterious circumstances prior to Adrien’s creation, and I have a separate theory for that, but that’s not the point of this post.

The theory I propose is that Emilie did not create just one, but two sentimonster embryos.

We know there’s a rule that only one sentimonster can be made at a time, and maybe the second embryo created worsened the Peacock’s damage? Still haven’t ironed out the details with that yet.

Either way, Nathalie created many more sentimonsters than Emilie and Colt, she also seemed to succumb much faster after even the first sentimonster she created in Mayura. Emilie and Colt seem to be implied that they only had effects after a period of time.

Back to the theorized Adrien’s twin. What happened to them? Here’s where things get juicy.

There’s a tragic phenomenon that can happen in early multiple births, called Vanishing Twin Syndrome. It’s when an embryo passes away and leaves the second twin alone. The deceased twin is often called a sunset baby, and the surviving twin, a sunrise baby.

Typically the embryo is absorbed by the mother, or is passed, but there’s a second phenomenon called Human Chimerism where the embryo is absorbed by their twin embryo. If the twins are fraternal, that means the surviving twin has two sets of DNA.

Two amoks joined, two rings that can be combined into a single ring, and two embryos that fused together to create one child: Adrien Agreste.

Here’s where my silly theory starts to go off the rails. I think Adrien’s twin was created to be a girl. I have no evidence of any of this other than vibes, the ridiculous amount of twin characters in Miraculous, Ivan’s baggage with his baby sister (Ivan is Comerade Aioli while Adrien is Comerade Mayonnaise), and Argos calling Red Moon “his sister”.

And then there’s the undeniable truth of Adrien’s treatment in the show, due to his inherent femininity.

And then we have ANOTHER phenomenon where Adrien has XX/XY Chimerism.

There are few intersex characters in fiction, and most of them are intersex due to mystical means. XX/XY Chimerism is rare, but it’s a real condition that actual humans in the real world can have. While Adrien was created through magic, he very much would have a real condition that exists in real life.

[Obligatory link for my meta about Sentikids being an allagory for intersex kids]

Now here’s where my crack spaghetti theory turns into speculation and where I’d personally go with the story. Going to warn you now that it gets a bit angsty. Something had to be sacrificed in order for the new Universe to be created afterall.

I’ve mentioned before many times that Gabemoth made the Wish before, if not multiple times, and the entirety of the ML is a 15 year timeloop.

Where I’d personally go with the story is that in Universe Zero, Adrien’s twin sister was born and is alive. And she held the Black Cat Miraculous, while her brother held the Ladybug Miraculous.

I’d personally name them Adrienne and Celeste Agreste. In their Universe, Gabriel also created Alliance rings, but instead they were called True Horizon. A play on the Sea meeting the Sky.

You can’t deny the Cat and the Ladybug BOTH being connected to Gabemoth isn’t something that would have been incredible storytelling.

Anyway, I digress.

In the finale, it isn’t the Ladybug who is alone, but the Black Cat. Gabriel has somehow found out the identities of the two heroes.

Adrienne, in her righteous fury acts impulsively, but Gabemoth is two steps ahead of her.

Because Felix wasn’t created until a later Universe, Gabemoth is still in possession of the Peacock Miraculous. He snaps Adrienne’s twin brother from existence.

Gabemoth has either an akumatized villain or a sentimonster deliver the Ladybug miraculous to him.

In her shocked grief, Gabemoth takes Adrienne’s Black Cat Ring from her.

He makes his Wish, with Adrienne as a sacrifice… The Universe is Destroyed and Remade, and the next cycle continues.

This would give meta reason that Adrien wasn’t at the final battle: he hasn’t learned about the twin sister, the original Chat Noire that loves him so much, and still exists in his heart and DNA.

It can bring about an arc of Adrien FINALLY learning to love and accept himself, flaws and all, and take off the various masks he wears both in and out of costume.

It would ALSO give a reason for Adrien to wield both the Ladybug and Black Cat Miraculous in a later major finale battle.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk

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anerdssketchpileblr · 4 months ago

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Aaa ok I never thought I'd share this thing anywhere but lately the ml fandom, specifically the Lt au and @sillysiluriforme's work has been really inspiring me. So I introduce to you Emmanuelle Emilie Agreste.

She's an old miraculous oc I've had for years and never done much with outside of my own head tbh. She's Adrien's older sister and also a sentimonster, created bc in my mind/version of things Emilie had to give up on a lot of her acting career after moving to Paris and marrying Gabriel.

So instead she makes Emmanuelle, an almost perfect copy of herself, (except for the eye and hair colour, Gabriel's and Nathalie's respectively as little Easter eggs bc she thinks it's cute, but Emma ends up dying her hair and wearing contacts all the time anyway), who will never age or get wrinkles and who has a head start in the industry by starting acting work as a child. A dress up doll she can mold into the actress she could have been if she'd started earlier, who she can live vicariously through while she stays at home.

Less of a daughter and more of an advertisement, a way for the world to never forget her. Because this child has her face and her voice and will never shut up about honouring her legacy. The concept of Emilie the actress will live on far longer under a slightly different name. Also less of a daughter and more of her biggest fan. The perfect protogee who listens to all her advice and never has alternate ideas on how to do things and will never speak badly of her.

Essentially she exists to stroke Emilie's ego and Act and that's all she really knows how to do at the end of the day. Girl who is so normal about her mother and definitely has a personality outside of her career.

I picture her role as like. Minor/secondary villian (bc she was helping Gabriel through making more possible akumas on purpose bc she wants her mom back too) who has an eventual 'redemption arc' but they aren't actually a better person and it's only bc their brother is a hero it turns out and they like him more than their father. She really only cares about her mother and Adrien, who she is protective of but also more than fine lying to. She thinks he's a dork for wanting to go to public school but whatever. It's fine, Chloe will tell her if something goes wrong there.

She's in the range of 19-22 somewhere, and she works in a lot of projects not exclusively in France, so she's usually travelling and away from home. She's known for getting into relationships with her costars that start when the project is in development and somehow always ends once the hype is over. Adrien talks to her over the phone more than he sees her in person until she gets 'trapped' in Paris for coming home during the akuma crisis and has to actually start living in her TV show set never breathed in room.

I don't think she'd actually work/exist in the Lt au bc my version of Emilie in my head is a different kind of freak than the Lt version, who I do not think would make her. But it's fun to play around with anyway.

Specifically I just keep thinking abt her relationship with Lt chloe tho, bc in my little head world she's Chloe's awful terrible manipulative cool older friend/mentor figure who encourages all her worst traits for funsies and to bring about more akumas. And Lt adds another interesting layer to their dynamic in that chloe is also a sentimonster made to resemble her mother, and both of them idolise their mothers desipte them being not actually that great. girl who was made by her mother to be a copy of her mother vs girl who was made by her father to be a copy of her mother. surely this mentorship will go normally.

I also imagine her being like an awful older sister/mentor figure to the galattaca girls too. At her core she is an enabler and someone who turns a blind eye to fucked up shit to stay 'comfortable'. (And a manipulative asshole too.) What I'm saying here is I think she could make Aurore specifically so much worse and would have fun doing it. Evil girl and her younger blonde apprentices 💙

Summary: shes my horrible evil daughter I'm throwing her in the trash, I'm giving her a biscuit, she needs to face consequences for what she's done I'm denying her the catharsis of punishment she will learn to make meaningful change and mend her relationships, she's great in theory but not in practice, she shouldn't exist and she knows it, she's like if a show pony developed sapience. As you can probably tell, she's infested my brain like the parasite she is 💙

#also think she'd try to pit chloe and aurore against each other (success??? Idk) bc she likes making people fight she thinks it's funny #publically shes very mush a girls girl #girlpower she says #and then makes snide comments to her coworkers abt their appearance #shes so doomed by the narrative #in that her mother will never love her #i find it so funny to think abt her realtionship with nathalie too #pov ur bossfriend who you are horrifically down bad for makes a copy of herself and gives it your hair colour #and then she dies and you end up helping to raise the thing. truely shes stronger than any marine #ive changed her name like. five times. so i might change it again tbh #ive also played with the idea of her technically being made after adrien. when emilie is on her literal death bed #and the idea of making a replacement seems more important.#shed still be physically older than adrien though bc emilie would have just made her as a teen/tween #so she doesnt get much of a childhood (not that she had one anyway) but she does get older sibling rights #another idea ive been bouncing around is gabriel putting her in charge of smth at the agreste company she should not be in charge of #like after shes stuck in paris bc of akuma #specifically hr it would be so funny to me for her to be like in charge of hr.#or just the entirety of it. gabriel fires the entire hr department and puts his 'kid' in charge instead #you go to hr for a serious workplace harassment problem and the young adult star across from you goes #well damn. what do you want me to do about that. do you want a gift card.#shes so awful at even trying to be a good person its halarious #miraculous oc #ml oc #miraculous ladybug oc #la terreur oc #?#idk if this counts but whatever #emmanuelle

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unecoccinellenoire · 1 year ago

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i wish you would write a fic where … hesperia is flirting with our nathalie. she’s cool with it.

It happens in a matter of seconds. One moment she’s talking to a despondent Adrien on the sofa trying to coax out how exactly he got back to Paris from the train while the television drones on about Monarch and the next an explosion shatters the window.

Bomb, her mind screams at her.

Nathalie throws herself over Adrien instinctively, but her prostheses weigh her down and throw her off balance and when she lands it’s against the sofa without her charge in sight. And then a body lands against hers and panic that Adrien would try to protect her shoots down her spine before she belatedly registers she’s being shielded by someone larger than her not smaller.

As her saviour gently lifts her she relaxes against his purple suit, and lets her eyes rest for a second against the bright light as she inhales that soothing masculine scent of his. She might despise Gabriel right now, she might know that any safety he appears to offer is an illusion, but that doesn’t mean that illusion isn’t working for her right now.

“It’s alright madame,” he promises in a soft baritone that-

-that isn’t Monarch’s booming tones.

She opens her eyes. This isn’t Gabriel. He’d never wear just the Butterfly Miraculous when he has the rest of them, and even if he did this isn’t Hawk Moth. The mask only covers part of his place and his fair hair hangs freely over it.

Her brain buzzes in confusion. Or maybe that’s her ears ringing from the explosion. Either way she’s too out of it to come up with anything more sensible than, “safe?”

His eyes are kind but something sparks in them as he smiles. It looks familiar. It looks like how Gabriel had used to smile at Emilie before unleashing some phrase he thought was exceedingly charming.

“A place like this isn’t a good place for a pretty lady like you,” he says, “much as it’d be a pleasure to keep rescuing you I wouldn’t be much of a hero if I left you in danger like that.”

An embarrassing warmth spreads below her stomach. Flirtation isn’t wholly unfamiliar to Nathalie, for all that she’s buried in an industry where beauty is the currency and she hardly draws attention. But usually the flirtation comes loaded with ulterior motives from people who know who she is.

Then again. This man has apparently stolen the Butterfly Miraculous from Gabriel. No doubt he does know who she is and he does have ulterior motives.

She needs to get it together.

“A pleasure, Isn’t that a bit forward? I don’t even know your name.”

“Hesperia, my lady.” He looks like he’d tip a hat to her if he had one, “and yours? Is it worthy of you?”

“I don’t know about worthy. I’m Nathalie.”

“That’s a beautiful name. Like you. But I really should get you somewhere safe- I don’t like the sound of this Monarch character.”

“Monarch?” She traces the Miraculous on his chest, “didn’t you take this from him?”

“I’m sorry to dash your hopes. This isn’t my universe my dear.”

“Oh.” She studies his face, that tanned skin, those eyes, those cheekbones. “And you’re- a hero?”

She tries to imagine it. Gabriel, a hero and not a villain. Flirting with her rather than eternally loyal to Emilie. She can’t hold the image in her mind. It seems too impossible. And yet the man in front of her clearly exists, clear is a possibility.

“I try my best.” He says, still smiling.

She raises an eyebrow. “When you’re not flirting with random woman?”

Though maybe being easily distracted is a trait it’s easier to reconcile with her Gabriel. The real Gabriel. Because this man is probably someone completely different in his universe.

“Well-“

“Or am I not random? Do you know me back home?” She interrupts. If Gabriel could be a hero, could have moved on from Emilie then maybe-

“I’m afraid not. A loss I assure you. Now, I found you in Gabriel Agreste’s home. Does he have a panic room? A bomb shelter? Somewhere I can stow you safely.”

Her heart fell into her stomach. Of course he didn’t know her. Of course she was just a random distraction to him. How could she be so stupid that Gabriel still had this grip on her even as he cared more about defeating a teenager than he did about her life?

“If he did it wouldn’t be for me,” her tone was as sour as the bile in her throat. It wasn’t quite true. Gabriel had never changed the code to where Emilie lay. She could hide down there. Only she didn’t care not, “Gabriel wouldn’t care if I died.”

He’d as good as told her that. Told her that it wasn’t about Emilie anymore either.

“Nathalie, I’m sure-“

But she can’t bear to hear such reassurances from him. Screw it, she decides, and drags him down by his lapels and stops him with her mouth on his.

He’ll probably drop her and leave her here, or stop her and lecture her about the morality of kissing people without asking first. She doesn’t care right now. She needs him to stop. And she needs to indulge in the pretence offered by his flirtation. That someone could want her, love her.

She wants to kiss someone before she dies.

And she’s dying sooner rather than later.

Hesperia gasps against her. He doesn’t do any of those things she’s expected. He lets her tongue into his mouth, and he’s warm and wet and perfect and he tastes a little like Gabriel’s favourite coffee.

Nathalie is the one to stop, as another crash shakes the roof they’re on.

“You should go.” She says, “put me down somewhere on the streets. I’ll be fine. We’re used to akuma attacks here. And- sorry.”

Those infuriating eyes are all pity, “I think you needed that. I am sorry Nathalie. That you have to live through these, akuma did you call it? Attacks. For whatever this Gabriel Agreste has done to you. And that I can’t see you again. But I have-“

“Your own universe to get back to. I get it. And you wouldn’t like me if you knew me anyway.” He’s a hero after all. Nathalie is the opposite of that. “And I’ll probably already be dead by any time you might come back to this universe.”

His eyebrows drew together, the corners of his mouth drooped down, “I don’t know you Nathalie. But I can tell you that you deserved better.”

“I don’t.” She has no illusions about that. She brought this on herself when Emilie had asked them to let her go. She hadn’t even managed to succeed in saving her. And she’d failed completely to care for Adrien, and perhaps even Gabriel like she’d asked her to. “You should go.”

“Alright,” he jumped down to street level with her still cradled in his arms and then gently deposited her down on the ground, “but Nathalie, do something for me?”

“What?” What could she possibly do for him?

“Don’t lose hope.”

She’d lost that already, had lost it the moment Gabriel had admitted to not just giving his past self the USB she’d meticulously prepared.

The one she’d given him knowing it would save her and Emilie at the cost of the friendship between them because had Emilie never fallen sick they would have continued that relationship of just messages on birthdays and at Christmas that they’d had after Tibet.

Only to discover Gabriel wasn’t even willing to sacrifice his pride.

But looking at Hesperia she finds she didn’t have the cruelty to crush him with that reality. Maybe that means he isn’t Gabriel.

She sighs, “I’ll try.”

And as she watches him leap away she thinks that maybe that wasn’t entirely a lie. That maybe she has no hope for her but herself but she can hope for the Nathalie of that world, that she’s happy and will be loved back. Can hope that the heroes here will beat Gabriel and somehow Adrien can be protected through all of it. Can hope she can do enough to ensure he’s safe.

#nathalie sancoeur #betterfly #hesperia #mirror universe Gabriel Agreste #gabenath #nataleria #hespalie #betterlie #idk what we're calling this #btw sorry anon #both for the lateness and that I think this is angstier than you wanted

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bittersweetresilience · 1 year ago

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félix fic recs

Spread Your Wings by @myladynoire (5,895 words)

Set before the Finale. Félix uses his Kwagatama to summon his father's memory and has a talk with him.

every wall that i knock down (is just a wall that i'll replace) by @purplecatghostposts (8,355 words)

Now it’s Félix’s turn. Adrien needs to know about his own existence before anything else and Félix wanted to have that conversation himself. Marinette didn’t argue when he told her as much. If anything, she seemed slightly relieved. Félix has been meaning to do it for a long time. Adrien had been at risk if he said anything before, not to mention it felt cruel to tell him when he would still have to bend to his father’s orders until the rings were retrieved. But Adrien wears his own amoks now, making his own choices with no one forcing him to do any of it. All physical risks are out of the way. Félix only needs to break it to him. The problem is that it never seems to actually be the right moment.

Trapped by @trishacollins (13,368 words)

Felix asks to visit Adrien earlier, worried that his twin isn't responding to him on their bond. Gabriel catches him snooping and makes some assumptions about why. It gets worse from there.

hieroglyphics by Anonymous (1,408 words)

Marinette, up late overthinking, texts Félix to ask if he'll move to Paris. (Takes place at some point between Ladybug's battle with Monarch and the pool party.)

never been in love by @bittersweetresilience (1,562 words)

Félix wonders if he has a heart. If he does, it doesn't beat like that.

orbital departure by @bittersweetresilience, @keeperofthebox (2,567 words)

While Félix is visiting, Emilie makes a suggestion.

Eat Your Young by @redundant-lava (704 words)

What was Felix doing during the season 5 finale? He came back to London to hang out with his girlfriend but is straight up not having a good time right now

Pause, Rewind, Play by @piromina (4,717 words, ongoing)

Félix paused, eyes still locked on the pocket watch she held out in anticipation. This miraculous, it meant he could travel in time. To any time he wanted. He could relive so many events, fix so many things he wished had played out differently. He could even see the future.

Amor Fati by @myladynoire (82,940 words)

In which Félix finds out he’s a Sentimonster. A long and painful self-discovery journey ensues. (And Lila is in for the ride).

Hey, Ribbons by childoflightningg (11,553 words)

Chat Noir’s transformation fell away for the last time. A feeble flicker of green, a blur of black zipping away. Ladybug wasn’t sure she wanted to see his identity, but it didn’t matter. Even if she had averted her gaze, she would have heard the gasps, the whispered name rippling through the crowd. Félix Agreste.

I Love You (for senti-mental reasons) by @redundant-lava (1,766 words)

All Gabriel Agreste wants is what is best for his family. Adrien understands this, but Felix has been persistent in interfering with his uncle’s plans, much to Gabriel’s frustration. When Gabriel finally regains possession of both the Graham de Vanilly rings, he decides to have a conversation with his nephew and persuade the boy to see things from Gabriel’s point of view (a Sentimonster story)

bad body double by Ehlihr (7,941 words, ongoing)

New year, new powers, and Marinette's new classmate are proving to be a personal challenge.

I Won't Let You by generalluxun (3,827 words)

After Gabriel's defeat, two individuals not party to the celebration run into each other, and find each other.

Checkmate by theriveroflight (1,575 words)

Running away has consequences.

(sentitwins fic recs) (feligami fic recs)

💥🦐🥂🚨 FELINETTE ZONE 🚨🥂🦐💥

annotated by ritsukies (4,351 words)

Félix and Marinette share a quiet moment together in the shared space of Adrien's bedroom.

Filling space by beforesaturn (comic)

A Felix and Marinette centric story after the death of Adrien Agreste.

Sure, Ladybug by ouijadarling (4,051 words, ongoing)

'We both know it'll happen again.' Félix is an old hand at being kidnapped, mainly because Hawkmoth thinks he and Ladybug are dating, and therefore, knows her alter ego. Every week, a new Akuma wakes him up in the middle of the night for some interrogation, and Ladybug ends up rescuing him. It's starting to get wearisome, and also, Félix has the strangest feeling that the supervillain knows him in some way. And that he's in for a hell of a time this final year of school.

Copycat by imthepunchlord (76,805 words, ongoing)

It was supposed to be quick and easy. Become Adrien Agreste for a week, steal the surviving twin ring for his mother, return and offer back the reclaimed heirloom and be a decent enough cousin that he gave Adrien a week break away from that house. That's how it was supposed to go. Of course, nothing ever goes how it's supposed to go. Not when Adrien goes AWOL on him and he finds a magical ring with a snarky little being asking him to also play hero. Lucky for the little being, Felix is curious and bored enough to try. And who knows, maybe it'll have some perks in messing with his Uncle.

There's This Club At the School by enigmatic_emperor (17,078 words, ongoing)

There's this club at the school which researches the ancient miraculi, a group of jewels that are believed to hold mythical powers. However, it only has three members! When Marinette hears that a new student is transferring to Dupont, she is more than excited to invite them to join the club in a hope that the club could have more exposure. That is, until rumours begin to spread that the new transfer student goes by the name Felix, and has some sort of affiliation with the Agreste's.

When In Paris by Lumienn (13,963 words, ongoing)

Felix comes back to Paris a year after his last eventful visit. This time, he's here to stay for much longer. Between his own personal mission, hanging out with his cousin, being a tourist, and his first Akuma attack, he's got his hands full. But then Marinette shows up... and shakes things up to a whole new level.

#🌃#ml fanfic #miraculous ladybug #🦚#i'm not caught up with copycat i must do better #ml fic recs

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twisted-art-wounders · 2 years ago

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Marinette Dupain-Cheng The village baker and seamstress; Marinette does any different jobs around her village to make ends meet while dealing with the abuse spouted out by the noble Lady Chloe. Kind and creative Marinette does her best to help when she can, after helping a strange traveller she is gifted with a magical seed that grew into a small fairy who presented her a pair of magical earrings that could perform a miracle. Once she climbed to the top of a giant beanstalk she discovered a giant castle occupied by a giant named Adrien. At first she doesn't trust the giant (since he is friends with Chloe after all) but after making a deal with him to teach him how to bake bread in exchange for treasures she can use to help pay off Chloe, she starts to see how kind and gentle he really is.

After some time she convinces him to come with her back to the village and at first everyone is terrorized of him, but soon he starts to show off his kindness and helps the village to thrive.

(Prince) Adrien Agreste The giant that lives in the clouds; Adrien was once a happy prince set to inherit his mother's kingdom come his 18th birthday but tragically on his 16th birthday Adrien would lose his both his mother and his freedom. He was cursed and grow to a monstrous size that caused the total collapse of their castle which killed his mother. With his new found size Adrien was dazed and confused as he almost destroyed the kingdom but his father King Gabriel used a powerful spell and sent Adrien into the clouds where he'd soon live. 5 years would pass and Adrien was forced to live a new life among the clouds, while he had shelter, food and clothing thanks to his father he was also isolated and kept away form all humans as he father told him his presence among them would cause unrest.

With only Chloe as a visitor and rarely seeing his father anymore Adrien become more lonely then ever until he met Marinette. At first it was hard to get her to trust him but eventually the two started to bond over their baking and started to become close. Marinette convinces him to come back with her to her village.

King Gabriel Agreste The current King of the land of Graham de Vanily; after the great tragedy that befell the kingdom 5 years ago Gabriel become a recluse and stayed within his newly rebuilt palace after the death of his wife and disappearance of his son. While not of royal blood himself Gabriel is a gifted spell caster and using his powers he decided to punish his rotten brother in law by cursing his nephew Felix to become wild and uncontrollable. The spell seemed to backfire and made both Felix and Adrien grow to monstrous sizes and destroy both castles; causing Queen Emilie's death. Trying to hide the truth Gabriel used a powerful spell to send Adrien into the clouds creating a land form him to live on and to keep him away form the people of the land who he knew would blame him for the great tragedy. He then came up with the story of the monster that attacked both kingdoms and stole away prince Adrien.

Gabriel never told Adrien about the cause of his mother's death but did tell him in order to keep himself and world safe he'd have to live in the sky where no one would see him. Meanwhile Gabriel looked far and wide to find a away to bring his fallen queen back to life, he eventually discovered that a pair of powerful magical objects could grant the wish of anyone who held both items. Gabriel became consumed with finding those objects, neglecting Adrien and his kingdom causing the nobles to become more power hungry and driven. Lady Chloe Bourgeois Part of one of noble families that rule over Marinette's village; Chloe is spoiled and full of herself she'll do anything to get what she wants. She threatens both Marinette and her village with the fear of a giant she has full command over. She's Adrien's only friend at first and tricks him into believing she is a kind and caring person and tells him to help her hold onto all the treasures the villages pay her. She works closely with King Gabriel to keep Adrien locked away and keep the villages in order. Lady Kagami Tsurugi One of the nobles that rule over the smaller villages; Kagami was hired by the former queen Amelie to help her son the former prince of the fallen kingdom. Kagami and Felix set out together to find the truth about what King Gabriel is after and why he cursed Felix. Kagmai is very capable and strong she's able to command armies and fight on even footing with the strongest swordsmen. She starts become close to Felix and he treasures her as both a close friend and a lover. Prince Felix Fathom The son of the former queen Amelie; at the age of 16 he was cursed by an evil spell that caused him to grow to a monstrous size, in a fit of rage and confusion he destroyed the castle killing his father and destroyed the rest of the kingdom. After his rampage he and his mother had to abandon their kingdom and go into hiding, Felix continued to grow as he aged but managed to stay hidden thanks to his mother's powers. Felix soon discovered that the curse that made him grow and have a rampage was caused by his uncle King Gabriel. He decided to set out and find out what really happened to his cousin the long lost prince Adrien. He knew Adrien was also cursed and wanted to free him form his uncle's control, his mother enlisted the help of the noble woman Kagami Tsurugi to accompany Felix on his quest and find the true intentions of the corrupt King.

#marinette dupain cheng #adrien agreste #gabriel agreste #chloe bourgeois #kagami tsurugi #felix fathom #marinette and the beanstalk #au #miraculous #fan art

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sorcerystudios-writing · 7 months ago

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The Heroes of Paris: Soupe de Kung Food

by Nakira Taisho

Date Posted: (2024-11-22)

Chapters: 26/28

Fandom: Miraculous Ladybug

Rating: General Audiences

Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply

Relationships: Adrien Agreste | Chat Noir & Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug

Characters: Marinette Dupain-Cheng | Ladybug, Chloé Bourgeois, Gabriel Agreste | Papillon | Hawk Moth, Original Kwami Character(s), Original Miraculous Ladybug Character(s)

Additional Tags: Gabriel Agreste Is Not Hawk Moth, Emilie Agreste Has a Different Name, Kwami Swap, Fox!Adrien, Chloé Bourgeois Redemption, Chloé Bourgeois has DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder), Peacock!Gabriel, Series Rewrite, Fake Dating, Bustier salt, will include some post s3 characters, Alya Salt

Series: Part 1 of What We Mean to Be

Summary: The Cheng family reunion has come around along with a cooking competition…

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plumsaffron · 8 months ago

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Lmfao, Gabriel Agreste’s hair is like a cockatoo’s arse (I recall in one fanfic Emilie pointed it out during her drunken state while she ranted about how awful he is. And her boyfriend/Adrien’s new dad, an OC, comforted her the best he can, reassuring her that she shouldn’t blame herself for falling for Gabriel’s lies.) His villain attire is also ugly. (Then again in that same fanfic series, another character called HawkMoth condom/head or smth.)

Whelp lol, now I also get why you called the fandom fugly. It’s not just the characters having ugly uncanny designs but the canon and fandom attitudes. There’s no going back and there’s no fixing it thanks to certain fandom incidents we know of.

Thou NGL, I’d rather pick different Gabriels from other series even if those guys aren’t the best bc they’d probably not abuse their own kid(s). Unfortunately, Gabriel has become one of the many tarnished names in fiction thanks to ML…

Damn when I think of Gabriel’s hair I think of

Or this

He got that onion hair pacman hairline and the rest of his hair ends up looking like a rug or towel or cloth.

#demi4ngel #anti miraculous plaguedom #gabriel agreste roast session #anti ml fandom #anti miraculous ladybug fandom #but yeah fugly fandom looks like Gabriel’s hair. Something to stomp on and leave in the streets to be ran over #plumsaffron #Gabi Grassette cockatoo arse hair

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logically-asexual · 1 year ago

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Love like you

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Betterfly finds himself in a confrontation with Shadybug and Claw Noir inside the Agreste Mansion of the alternate universe they traveled to. Nathalie is in her bedroom processing the fact that Gabriel has finally lost it. Their journeys unexpectedly cross when Betterfly akumatizes Nathalie by accident.

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As she sat on a cozy couch, reading an adventure novel she had never heard of before and drinking a warm cup of tea, Nathalie realized she got exactly what she had wished for the night before. She got to spend the entire day in this quiet and peaceful place, finally allowing herself to rest and forget about everything.

After passing out, which was funnily the only way she could get some sleep, Betterfly carried her to lay on the couch of the library while he went back to finish what he had been doing in Nathalie’s universe. At sunrise she woke up, not long before Gabriel returned and explained the situation to her. The existence of parallel worlds and portals between them was a lot to take in but Nathalie was now used to magic affecting her life in the most unexpected ways.

The most unnerving part was how similar yet so different her Gabriel and the one keeping her company here were. Apparently their decisions had been almost the same for most of their lives, but the Gabriel from this universe, which was oppressed by some mysterious entity he didn’t want to discuss, resolved by himself that he had to use his powers for the greater good after he lost his wife.

The fact that Emilie was gone here, as well, wasn’t easy to hear. It forced Nathalie once again to confront her own reality, to question the meaning of it all. Earlier that night, Gabriel’s behavior and his resolution that inflicting pain on others would be worth it in the name of love stopped being impressive for Nathalie and began seeming crazy. Now perhaps she had to go further and accept that the whole endeavor to rewrite destiny wasn’t a good idea from the start.

She was grateful that she was able to reflect on all this with a clear head, now that she didn’t have to worry about what Gabriel was doing. She did have to tell the Gabriel from this universe about her own, particularly the explanation for why she confused Betterfly with the other Gabriel Agreste. When told that the origin of Hawk Moth, who would later become Monarch, was the loss of Emilie to a magical illness, he bitterly understood the other man, aware that Monarch’s path could have been his own, too.

She didn’t talk about Mayura. Despite obviously being unable to walk, she chose to pretend she was just tired. Now this act of service she did for Gabriel seemed less heroic and more foolish and embarrassing.

Nathalie should go back to her own Gabriel eventually. Still, when Betterfly asked in the morning if he should take her back home, she replied that she wanted to stay just a little longer. It would be the first real vacation she’d have in so long, if it could be called that. Ironically, forgetting about the miraculous was only possible when she had another version of the miraculous that she could shift her focus to instead.

It was interesting to learn how Betterfly’s power worked. From his explanations and what she found in books within arms’ reach in his library, it seemed to Nathalie that the power was just the same as Hawk Moth’s, but due to their circumstances neither of them had tried to use the opposite type of emotion that they had become used to from the start, and the different names for the butterflies and the process was just a side effect of this. She was convinced they were just different old translations of the same original word in the code of the guardians.

Despite her curiosity, she made an effort to stop investigating and take advantage of the time she had. While Gabriel was out helping the Ladybug and Black Cat kids from this world as they settled into a new independent life as vigilantes, Nathalie stayed in to relax. She scanned the collection of fictional stories on the bottom shelf and settled for a space travel adventure. At least with that she had no experience.

Later Gabriel brought her a tea set when he arrived, before leaving the room again to greet his son returning home from school.

This place was calm like the eye of a hurricane. Betterfly’s world faced a more intimidating enemy, with more powerful control over the miraculous holders, and his work as the starter of what he hoped could become a revolution seemed more dangerous than the daily fight Ladybug and Cat Noir had against a random akumatized citizen. Nevertheless, when he was home he was smiling. peaceful and confident that he was doing what was best. Nathalie had never expected the Agreste mansion to feel so warm and comforting, but she feared what The Supreme, whoever that was, could do to her the moment she stepped outside if they knew who she was.

Gabriel came back and sat on the couch. Nathalie could tell he was exhausted, despite trying to appear as if he wasn’t. It was Gabriel after all, and he had the same tells. She finished the last sentences of the book in her hands, put it down, and shuffled slightly closer to him.

“How was your day?” she asked. She swallowed the “sir” at the end of the sentence that wanted to come out by habit.

“Certainly not as stressful as last night.” He thought for a moment. “I’m glad your Ladybug and Cat Noir helped my kids break free from their fear of The Supreme, but I’m still not sure how I could work together with them after being alone for so long.”

“It’s good to have help.” She smiled. “And now you can have information from the inside.”

“I do. I hope they agree to stay undercover, it would be very useful.”

“It would also be safer for them than a public rebellion that would make them a target. For you as well. In fact, it might be good not to let them in on all your secrets yet, if The Supreme is in control of the kwamis like you said.”

Gabriel nodded, then sighed. “You’re right. I hadn’t thought of that.”

He stayed in thoughtful silence for a moment. Nathalie got the teapot and poured a cup for him, which he accepted.

“I’m sorry,” he said as he put the cup down. “I didn’t want to worry you with more problems related to the miraculous.”

“It’s fine, really. I can’t begin to express how grateful I am that you let me stay here a while.”

“It’s nothing, I’m just as glad to have you here.” He placed a hand on top of hers.

Nathalie admired the way his platinum hair glowed under the sunset rays coming from the window. That in addition to his eyes that had known darkness yet persevered hopeful and the warm smile on his face made her feel at home.

“Are you hungry? I can arrange for dinner to be brought up here for us if you want.”

That made her pause. “You’re not eating with your son?”

Gabriel looked sheepishly to the floor. “I… Adrien… Well, he prefers being alone.”

“He does?”

“Emilie’s death was hard for both of us. I’ve tried to cheer him up but he just gets angry at me. I’ve found for now that it’s better to give him some… space.”

“I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to intrude.”

“No, it’s fine. You’re just concerned for our wellbeing. You’re just like my own Nathalie, but back then I was angry, too, and I didn’t understand her good intentions.”

Every time he brought up his world’s version of Nathalie he talked about “back then.” Though he did use the present tense when talking about her, so she wasn’t dead. They must not have spoken in a while. Maybe years, because apparently something happened between them before he became a superhero.

She held his hand tighter.

Though Nathalie liked being here with Gabriel now and seeing that he had learned from his mistakes, she couldn’t help but understand her other self’s decision to leave, just like Nathalie should have left her own boss long ago. Nathalie was aware it wasn’t good for her and yet she stayed and made everything worse not just for her, but for the entire Agreste family. Apparently she was born in the universe where everyone was a little more stupid.

“I see things more clearly now,” Gabriel continued. “You’re— I mean—, she is the most loyal person I’ve ever met, it was only under the extreme stress I must have put her through that she was forced to go away. Before that she was always there for me. She always knew what to say to make things easier. I never appreciated her as much as she deserved. Then she left,” his voice cracked. “And now you’re here I just… I missed you.”

This admission of Gabriel’s feelings towards her caused Nathalie’s heartbeat to cease for a moment.

“Gabriel, I…”

She wanted to reply in some way but she couldn’t find the words. He had said something she had always dreamed of hearing but never expected the man to utter.

“I don’t know what happened in this Paris but… I’ll always be there for you, because I want to. You have also given me so much. Thanks to you I have learned so much, I’ve traveled the world, and I’m— I was part of a lovely family, something I had never really had. You showed me what true love was.”

Gabriel blinked in surprise and Nathalie had to stop herself to rewind her words, as they had been pouring out of her mouth without her thinking any of them through.

“Did— Did you…?”

Nathalie finally caught up and felt a red blush spread across her face. “No! I mean— I meant you and Emilie. You both, uh, inspired me.”

“Oh.” Now he was blushing, too.

Nathalie bit her lip to force herself to stay quiet.

After an excruciating minute of avoiding eye contact and hoping the house would start crumbling again, she was forced to look up when Gabriel spoke up.

“You… look just as beautiful as I remember.”

She noticed his hand never left hers. “You look well, too. Happiness suits you.”

Gabriel lifted a hand towards his chest, touching just below where Nathalie knew the brooch was hidden. “Hey... Since we’re both here now. May I try something? I probably won’t get a chance like this ever again so, just once, to satisfy this… curiosity. I— I can tell you feel the same.”

“What do you mean?” She was beginning to get the unspoken idea before even finishing the question, when she noticed Gabriel leaning in closer.

“May I?” he asked when his face was just millimeters apart from hers.

Nathalie nodded.

He pressed his lips to hers gently, as if he was worried he would break her with even a little force. It lasted a second and then he began pulling away, but Nathalie chased after him. She wouldn’t ever get a chance like this again either, she couldn’t waste it. Luckily he reciprocated her effort.

Gabriel’s skin was as soft as she expected. She had felt his hands before for fleeting moments but it couldn’t compare to cradling his face and keeping the warmth from his mouth close to her.

She sighed, feeling a weight lift from her shoulders as she allowed herself to love him outwardly. She felt him use that short moment to smile, before pulling her back in.

Nathalie never thought she would kiss Gabriel Agreste and if she ever did she thought it would be an awkward experience, with Gabriel showing the same apprehension he did whenever they got too close, and Nathalie worrying about what the world would think.

Now, however, there was no need for reservation. No impact to worry about in either of their worlds, because no one had to know that they had met or what they were doing, and Gabriel was more than eager to focus on her and nothing else. They were free.

#gabriel agreste #nathalie sancoeur #gabenath #betterfly #miraculous ladybug #miraculous lb #mlb #lunas writing

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lostuntothisworld · 1 year ago

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An updated List of ML Crack Theories I Am Considering, part 1

Part 2 here

Adrien has never eaten a potato

Adrien is going to wear a white version of this jacket for the second story arc.

There were at least 3 different Ladybugs before Maribug and the whole show is a 15 year timeloop.

Adrien was a previous Ladybug and Felix was a previous Chat Noir, but not at the same time. Felix is actually the rogue Chat Noir Su-Han should have been worried about.

Adrien/Felix, Emilie/Amelie, and Gabe/Colt were originally one single person. Certain previous Wishes via Gabemoth or someone else split them all up into two people, and the previous Ladybugs lost their humanity and became sentimonsters.

The two disguises Lilamoth wears in season 5 were previous Ladybugs she stole the lives of.

Marinette became a sentimonster in the Wish because someone Wished to be human (probably Gabe or Colt), and all the actual changes in the Universe happened off screen, and the show's trajectory/story itself is unchanged.

Colt was brought back to life with the Wish and is in cahoots with Tomoe. He is also technically the same person as Gabriel

The lighning behind Lilamoth in the season 5 finale has to do with Colt Fathom

The United Heroes are too detailed not to be important later

The moon represents Adrichat, and maybe also the previous Ladybugs, and not the Love Square or LadyNoir like the fandom theorizes

We've already met the people who are The Supreme

Derision was a red herring and NOT completely the reason Marinette has issues with love

Anne-Jeanne Theoxanne du Bocquale is a time traveling adopted daughter of Lukadrien or Marigami Adrienette

Bob Roth is gonna make good on his promise that Luka is going to sing for him no matter what.

Adrien's bedroom in the Agreste Mansion was originally the Master Suite

Adrien is going to intern at the Dupain-Cheng bakery. It will not end well.

Luka is going to work for the new flower shop next door, by doing flower deliveries. This will end better because of... reasons.

The ring Felix gave Kagami isn't actually her amok, but an identical copy.

Luka's nightmare (which we never find out in the season 5 finale, oddly enough) is that his actions reveal Ladybug and Chat Noir's identities, Monarque finds out, takes advantage of this and secures the Miraculous and makes his wish... Somehow Luka finds out about Ephemeral, and is horrified that his actions caused the end of the world. He goes to Marinette and she tells him that "the timeline doesn't exist anymore," so he shouldn't feel bad that his actions caused the wish to occur. "Everyone makes mistakes." We as the audience know she is trying to make herself feel better about her choices in the season 5 finale. She begins a word salad about how even Chat Noir flooded the entire planet and nearly destroyed the universe in Chat Blanc, but the timeline no longer exists and it's all okay now! So now both boys know they ended the world in deleted timelines.

The main conflict of season 6 will be the reveal of Ephemeral and Chat Blanc. Season 7 will end in revealing The Truth to Adrien. Season 8 will be about figuring out how to sever Adrien's connection to his amoks, and the Peacock Miraculous.

Luka will be the one to reveal The Truth to Adrichat

Luka will help Adrien sever his connection to his amoks and the Peacock Miraculous. The Miraculous Ladybugs can't bring back a sentimonster after the amok has been destroyed, but Second Chance can give them infinite tries to figure out how to sever the connections.

Human sentimonsters can do and be anything a normally created person can do EXCEPT reproduce. Sentimonsters cannot create life.

The Peacock Miraculous broke from whoever created Kagami. There's something poetic about a girl named mirror is the one who was created to be perfect and the image of a broken mirror.

Adrien is his own dead twin sister, which is why he has two amoks

Adrien was not his original planned name. He was actually named after his dead twin sister Adrienne, once his parents learned he was connected to both amoks. I'm partial to his original planned name being Celeste, which is a unisex name in France.

Emilie and Amelie (identical twins) are both sentimonsters who share one amok (The moonstone star brooch that Emelie wears)

The actual moon is a sentimonster, and Adrien will time-travel 4 billion years into the past to recreate the Theia Impact in a future season after a long character arc of personal growth, healing, and accepting The Truth. (I'll admit this one is more wishful hoping than anything else lmao)

Ladynoir is dead. Marichat is dead. Ladrien is dead. I think they're going to kill Adrienette sooner rather than later.

Adrien falls in love (or thinks he falls in love) with Marinette due to an amok order by a time traveling Lilamoth. (Adrienette getting together pretty much opened the way for Gabe to get his wish, and thus Lilamoth's acquisition of the Butterfly Miraculous.)

After a rewatch, and studying the transcript, I think there's a possibility Maribug would have kept The Truth from Adrien even if Gabe never asked her to.

Gabe failed his redemption character arc of moving on and letting go of Emilie. Emilie's dying wish was for Gabe to move on, properly parent Adrien, and allow him to choose his own happiness. Instead, Gabe made his own wish in order to be with her in death, abandoning Adrien. But before he did that, he gave Marinette his blessing to be with his son, with stipulations that she never tell him The Truth. I think Gabe ALSO passed on his failed character arc to Marinette. She is going to have to learn to let Adrien go.

Felix is a morally gray antihero who will actually get a proper backstory and redemption. He is working for Colt but he doesn't want to. This is just a pipedream tho lol

Lukadrien and Marigami are endgame

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ct-multifandom · 2 years ago

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Hey so there was this theory with the pic of Emilie and Gabriel looking at lil Adrien and I just wanted to ask you if you could explain it a bit more clearly cuz this theory sounds absolutely insanely fantastic and id like to understand it properly,thanks sm

Hi! Sorry for the very late response. I’m still not caught up on the show, so I’m probably missing many details, and for that reason I’d like to open this post up to other people to discuss because I think the things I noticed in prior seasons have become more relevant with the s5 finale.

the Amelie vs Emilie “theory”

For the new people, about a year ago I made two posts in response to the s4 episodes Wishmaker and Gabriel Agreste pointing out things that caught my eye regarding the twins.

All in all I don’t have much of a solid conclusion for the “theory” which is why it’s so confusing. It’s mostly a compilation of details I thought were strange and potentially foreshadowing a future plot twist. I’ll list some below.

In Wishmaker, Adrien’s baby memory depicts his mother with blue eyes and his father with green eyes. Astruc claims this was an error, which might be true.

Many depictions of Emilie have her in black and white. For example, the movie she starred in was B&W, and Felix and Kagami’s award winning indie film was all B&W, plus their eye colors didn’t change anyway under the masks

When Gabriel made the wish, Emilie didn’t open her eyes, she stayed dead

In the first post I pointed out that Emilie and Amelie are wearing different colored blazers, although I believe Astruc has since also said that’s insignificant. Once again dk if that’s true or not. In Andre’s dream box, he has headshots of supposedly young Tomoe and either Emilie or Amelie, but she’s wearing Amelie’s blazer.

Of course, since I’ve made those posts, we’ve seen actual scenes of Gabriel and his wife where she clearly has green eyes

I want to put emphasis on this because I’ve never seen anyone except me mention it: in the episode Gabriel Agreste, Gabriel’s tablet falls and breaks due to Marino’s antics. Amelie and Felix are the only guests to arrive AFTER this and NOT get their finger prints scanned.

Most recently, the writers commented on the finale. They said that Emilie has not come back to life, but intentionally avoided specifying who was at the pool party in the big sunhat. This would lead us to just say it’s Amelie then, but the vagueness makes me wonder.

The writers also suggested they left the contents of Gabriel’s wish vague on purpose to pull some twist. They said you’d think it just healed Nathalie’s illness, but that’s not all, and there’s a trick to it.

Minor note, but the whole reason people were confused about the swimsuit woman’s identity is because the leaked texture reference page for her character model was labeled Emilie. Either they changed the story, had a spelling mixup, or [insert conspiracy]

Adding on, after the first post I made, someone sent me old concept art of Adrien’s mom simply labeled “Adrien’s mother”. Either they didn’t come up with her name yet back then, or [insert conspiracy]

So at the end of the day, I have some level of confidence that they’re planning something with these GDV twins, but every explanation I can come up with for it sounds kinda crazy. Perhaps the most straightforward thing I can suggest is that the two swapped places early on in the overall plot? Idk. I’d love to hear other people’s ideas no matter how crazy. Maybe Gabriel wished for Emilie’s ghost to possess Amelie, awaken in the dead of night, and carry on his legacy of throwing plastic trash directly into the river. Who even is Emilie? Who’s Amelie? I’m excited to see where it all goes.

#miraculous ladybug #ml #ml s5 spoilers #ml s5 finale #ml theory #ml thoughts #emilie agreste #amelie graham de vanily #emilie graham de vanily #miraculous theory #side note that writer commentary made me excited for the Ivan lore. if Ivan had zero fans that means I am dead #what if there’s a woman named Umelie who’s just as confused as I am and one named Oomelie who runs the shadow government

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exammole · 2 years ago

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My changes to Miraculous for my rewrite: Season 0

Part 2: Story

Part 1: Magic System

Note: Although I will be using the show as a base, with a lot of the storybeats being in this rewrite. I’ll also be changing and adding new stuff to it.

Also I’m realising this just now, I’ll probably have to change my plan. Instead of putting Magic System, Plot, Characters into three posts. I’ll be spreading the Plot between 5 different posts for every season in this rewrite.

Order of the Guardians

Kwami are the celestial beings that embody the various components of Gimme, the god of Reality, all Kwami are extensions of them and are created whenever a new concept is created. Tikki and Plagg would be the first to be born, being gifted the specific power that if their domains were ever to cross, she’d be summoned.

The Kwami would soon wish to be apart of the world they helped define, so Gimme would grant a human the power to give them physical form 2000 years ago. This man would become the first Mage. This mage would first created 7 Miraculous, magic jewellery that could give Kwami a physical form; these Kwami would be Tikki, Plagg, Nooroo, Wayzz, Trixx, Pollen and Duusu, followed by many more during his lifetime. He would pass this skill onto his children, who would pass it down to theirs, and so fourth.

This would be the beginning of the ‘Order of the Guarduans’, which at the time consisted of Mages and their non magical famiy members, who would become blessed by Gimme to become Guardians. But would eventually grow out and become a secret society hidden in Tibet. Attempts were made to globalise the Order, but the Witch Trials of Massachusetts would prove to dangerous.

An attempt to recreate the Kwami was made, creating the Prodigious and the Renlings as a result, but the power would prove to dangerous for use and be kept under the protection of Mei Shi, created by Gimme to ward off use.

Fu Wang

In 1919 a young Wang Fu would be training to become a Guardian. Fu was excruciatingly hungry during this session, so he’d use the Peacock Miraculous to create a sentimonster to send him food. His anger towards being a Guardian fueled it’s creation, and went on an eating spree destroying everything. The only survivors were Fu, some Grimoires, the 7 main Miraculous (with the Peacock being lost). And Su-Han who hid in Fluff’s pocket dimension before the jewel was destroyed, along woth all the items already being held within.

(In this rewrite Fluff’s power is Abduction, and has access to a pocket dimension. This pocket dimension isn’t bound to time)

Fu would start travelling the world, holding immense trauma and guilt on his shoulders. He would find his way to Paris in 1938, meeting a girl called Marianne Lenoir. The two would fall in love, with Fu telling her about the Miraculous later on into their friendship. 1940’s Paris happened and Fu would insist her to come with him to London, but she refused and stayed in Paris. He would gift her the Butterfly Miraculous to aid her, and he didn’t tell her his feelings that night. Marianne would use the Butterfly to bevome Delias.

Four years later he would come back for her, but when he found out Marianne had fell for another man he couldn’t bare the hurt anymore and left without retrieving the Butterfly, let alone saying a word.

The Agreste’s and Graham de Vanily’s

Marianne and her soon to be husband Jules Grassette (he’s a new character) would get married a few years later with a son called Gabi. Gabi would start to get into fashion, meeting Natalie and Emilie in school (Dupont). Gabi would grow up to be a tailor, getting engaged to Emilie after graduation, and the three would remain close for years to come.

Gabi would change his name to Gabriel Agreste years later, after getting big after he helped Andre Bourgeois impress Audrey. Around the same time he’d be given the Butterfly Miraculous as an heirloom from his parents who would’ve died. This is where him, Emilie and Natalie would first learn of the Miraculous.

Emilie was the eldest daughter of the Graham de Vanily’s, an aristocratic family in Paris, followed by her twin sister Amelie. Emilie was very rebellious, and her marriage with a humble tailor got her removed from the inheritance. This would leave Amelie in line, amd she’d be married off too billionaire Colt Fathom.

Both sisters would desire to have children, but as both were infertile Her, Gabriel and Natalie would begin their search for a way. They’d come into contact with Tomoe Tsurugi, the owner of tech company Tsurugi Industies, who would give them a Grimoire in agreement that Gabriel would join the Affluent Society (rich people controlling the world club.) With the Grimoire and with the aid of Nooroo, the three would find the destroyed remains of the Order and locate the location of the Peacock.

Some years would go by, Emilie would use the Miraculous, becoming Peahen. Creating Adrien with the use of a power she was not ready for. Colt eventually used the Miraculous himself to create Felix, jealous that his family didn’t have an heir first. Jumping to a power that they were not trained for, both Emilie and Colt broke the Peacock in use, which started draining their life force. The two would die during Adrien and Felix’s childhoods, Gabriel shutting himself in his house trying to find a way to reverse the effect of the Peacock, and to bring his wife back from death.

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star-dust-n-astral-wind · 2 years ago

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So Let's Talk About Emilie Agreste!

Of all the characters in the needlessly convoluted and badly explained backstory of Miraculous: The Tales Of Ladybug and Chat Noir, one character stands out as a paragon of "...wait, what?" And that person is Emilie Agreste.

Emilie Agreset is the wife of Gabriel Agreste, AKA Hawk Moth, AKA Scarlet Moth, AKA Shadow Moth, AKA Monarch, AKA the Collector, and probably a few others but I think six different names is enough.

Emilie is also the mother of Adrien. This is surprisingly unimportant, considering that Adrien is ostensibly one of our co-leads.

Exactly who Emilie was as a person and her role in the backstory is shrouded rather heavily in mystery. We have some facts, but not a whole lot.

One thing to note is that everyone seems to hold Emilie in pretty high regard, with basically everyone that knew of her throwing out at least one compliment about her.

But was she a good person? Really?

We know that Adrien was isolated for his whole childhood. We also know that (despite what may be assumed from Season 1) Emilie died (or was in a coma? I feel that was never really made clear) only a short time before the events of Origins. We even have a "one hundred week anniversary" at one point, so this wasn't a thing that happened a long time ago.

So was Emilie okay with the isolation, or could she just not dissuade Gabriel? Did she sign off on her son becoming a model (something that has a long and troubled history), or was she overpowered by her husband?

And what actually took her down? As I said before, we're horribly lacking on what I'd consider key details about the backstory. We know she used the damaged Peacock Miraculous at least once in the past, but all evidence suggests that was several years ago. When Nathalie used it, she was crippled within hours, something that we're not told happened to Emilie.

All in all, exactly who Emilie was as a person and even what happened to her is something we really don't know for sure. Which I personally find to be really annoying, as she's arguably the single most important character in the entire backstory of the show! Nearly everything that happens across the entire first five seasons can be tied back to her!

So who was Emilie Agreste and what actually happened to her? We just don't know, not for sure at least.

#stardust rambles #miraculous ladybug #miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir #mlb #emilie agreste #important things should be explained #and expanded upon #and utalised #and actually exist in some capacity within the context of the narrative

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unecoccinellenoire · 2 years ago

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Do you ever wonder what would it have been like if Nathalie had met Gabi Grassette instead of Gabriel Agreste? What if Gabriel hadn't changed his name and such?

Honestly I never had considered this scenario just because...it is Gabriel Agreste that Nathalie meets and falls in love with and a lot of that history is tied up in him being that person that would change his name.

If Gabriel still meets Emilie first then I feel like the version of him that stays Gabi (although we don't know for certain if that is his legal name or just a shortening he went by) Grassette is both less sucessful and sucessful less quickly. So maybe he's doesn't get into the rich conspiracy and he's not of interest to Tomoe so she never introduces him to Nathalie.

And becoming Gabriel Agreste, creating this persona and idea of what an Agreste is, is I think is very strongly linked to this desire to create Adrien as The Perfect Son/Model/Boy. Admittedly we don't know Emilie's feelings on the matter and her being the one to actually create Adrien and making him look so like her definitely speaks to a desire to have a biological child that no one else has any claim on. But I feel Gabriel in this scenario is much more likely to consider adoption or going abroard for surrogacy rather than chasing after the Miraculous.

So again we end up in a scenario where the canonical meeting with Nathalie doesn't happen.

But let's try again, maybe the boy that stays Gabi Grassette doesn't dare to dream the way the boy that becomes Gabriel Agreste did. He isn't brave enough to apply to art school, or to try to become a fashion designer amongst people who look down on him without a safety net, or ignore his parents' concern about his career. He's softer- less willing to cut off people he thinks might way him down.

So he doesn't meet Emilie. And if he does maybe he's not brave enough to reach up to this star out of his orbit.

And thus he doesn't meet Nathalie.

But you're asking about if he does meet Nathalie, except the first question is how?

What's Nathalie doing in Paris, or Normandy or the Region Sud or wherever Gabriel lives in France rather than hunting relics on the other side of the world. What's Nathalie's backstory? Is her life different too?

I think that regardless of their universe Nathalie and Gabriel always work well together. They have this instinctive understanding of each other and in some ways they're very compatiable- they both treasure the quiet times together, physical affection means a lot to them, they love fiercely but they're also mean- they don't care about the people they don't love and they almost enjoy that, certainly they'd be the type to cattily gossip about things together.

They have their differences. Both of them only truly cleave to a small network of people but Gabriel wants this wider adulation, he wants to be seen as sucessful, as good, as in love in a way that Nathalie has no interest in, and frankly prefers not to be perceived. Some of that internal/external validation discrepancy also shows in how Gabriel has to justify things where Nathalie owns her decisions.

All of that is still there. But Nathalie loved the Gabriel who's ready to take that leap of faith and do anything for what he wants. Can she love a Gabi who doesn't?

And is Gabriel resenful about how his life's turned out? Does he wake up and work and wish he'd chosen to do something he loved? Does he feel like he doesn't have a future or a career - just a job selling chips from a trailer in the rain?

Does Nathalie feel like adventure to him? Or is she put off by the anger she can feel inside him?

Or does he have friends? Is his life unexciting but full of love and life? Does he go for a drink on his free days and get unencouraged to settle down, and he's never go over the girl who got away but now Nathalie feels like another chance?

I mean it's a fun scenario because (unless you go full chip shop AU and Nathalie's his employee) Nathalie isn't his subordinate here so that changes the dynamicc in of itself but there's just so much to figure out how this would work.

That said, I'm pretty sure @silver-hibiscus does have an AU for this scenario so go send some questions her way.

#gabriel agreste #gabi grassette #nathalie sancoeur

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