#Dream SMP theories

[spoopdeedoop]

these guys also because with the return of the dsmp fixation i figured i had an obligation

[idkwatthehec]

Yall I just realized something.

So you all know about how Eret’s planned ending was the reveal that the Dsmp was actually like a weird sort of time loop thing and that’s why Karl’s Tales were always so similar.

Do you guys remember the underwater city. Where all the main people of the smp had a room. Everyone except one person.

Wilbur didn’t have a room.

Wilbur left the smp before the nuke.

WILBUR LEFT. BEFORE THE CYCLE WAS RENEWED.

THAT MEANS HES NO LONGER A PART OF THE CYCLE.

And that’s why he never ever appeared in a Tales. Not once.

[420technoblazeit]

does anyone remember that theory someone made that the book c!dream made a deal with schlatt for was the script for the lore. and that's why he became so obsessed with narratives and main characters or whatever, he knew that he wasnt the main character of the story and that tommy was

[bc-jpeg]

so uh- I didn't see if this theory already exists in the fandom, or no one really touched on it, but after a long time in both fandoms, one funny pattern is noticeable. I’m so obsessed with watchers lore so much, which is why I started to go beyond only one universe, and this gave the result. so the theory is that dreamxd is a watcher. after digging into the dsmp lore, I found several points that may indicate this. dxd’s nature may differ from the canonical nature of the watchers that we see in evo smp and in the life-seasons in martyn’s lore, but we also already have a watcher!grian, whose watcher's nature also differs in its own way from that very canon, he has his own lore, so this will also work here.

now this will be only my personal version of watcher!dxd lore, there may still be holes in it, but this is only as a possible base:

presumably dreamxd is an ex-manhunt!dream, who could not get out of the world and stuck in the spectator mode of the game, becoming a watcher. in the initial attempts to escape from such a fate and get out (I don't think dream would just accept such a fate), he was crippled either by other watchers or by himself, having lost his "eye". this explains the basic visual interpretation of the dxd, where the place where the eyes should have been is now a familiar cross pattern.

isolating himself from other watchers, dxd created a time loop from the existing world, from which he initially could not get out, closing access to the end dimension for players, preventing both the players themselves from escaping, and the possibility of capturing these players to other watchers for their own time loops. the world with the manhunt seed was restarted, defaulting almost everything to zero, which eventually became the dsmp server. all interactions between players and server events began to give dxd so much energy and power that eventually the essence of the watcher completely absorbed him, dxd himself began to provoke events, interact directly with players, and all for the sake of energy, emotions, deaths that made him only stronger. dsmp became an excellent loop-feeder for him only, in which he completely lost his original humanity, becoming a monster, creating only chaos.

one of the risky but effective dxd’s moves of was giving the revival book and the book of death to players inside the time loop, which in a peculiar way gave them access to part of dxd’s powers. he realized how unpredictable players can be in their decisions and actions, which gave a ton of events possibilities. he wouldn't have to provoke events himself, when players can do everything for him, giving the same amount of energy.

so in the final of the dsmp, after that nuclear explosion, dxd simply restarted the entire time loop, as it was shown. the players don't remember anything that happened, they don't remember each other, the whole world was defaulted to zero, where they started all over again.

it’s also interesting that the concepts of limbo and dreams/illusions exist both in the dsmp lore and in watchers lore in life-seasons. limbo is the space where players end up with the loss of all their canonical lives, and there is no return from there, only at the whim of mystical powers (dsmp — the revival book, as part of the dxd’s powers, life-seasons — the watchers, more specifically watcher!grian).

both concepts somehow intersect with each other:

> in the dsmp, they intersected in the c!george’s lore, he had partial access to limbo through his own dreams, where dxd himself was also often present. someone also had the opportunity to watch server events from limbo.

> in life-seasons, according to cc!martyn, limbo is the space where all players get to after the final death and are there between seasons in a state of sleep, in which they see their own smps/universes.

again, this is just a possible version of how exactly this theory/head-cannon can work, there are a lot of things that I could not explain yet, because there is too much information from different dsmp povs. some things I remember, some not at all, but I left a hint of their possible intersection visually in the diagram. the theory of the smps-multiverse is here simply by default, all the other main points are indicated in this diagram. all of this will be easily editable at any future time, my job is just to throw in the base for this theory :D

[bleue-flora]

While we are on the topic of Disney Princess Dream (oh… just me?) I thought I might as well share this 3am au (theory? explanation?…) I had last summer relating to Technoblade’s joke about the Dream SMP being all just a dream after all, hence the name.

Basically, in this au a round of minecraft manhunt goes wrong and no one can find Dream. When they eventually do, they find him asleep, cursed like Sleeping Beauty.

The dream he’s having is the DSMP and everyone who comes to save him ends up becoming part of the curse and falling asleep. That’s why new people just randomly show up in the DSMP, they come to end the curse, but fail and end up joining the server instead. George sleeping all the time, is actually him somehow waking up from the curse, going out and bringing new people to try to save Dream and break the curse, which is trying to make everyone who came to save Dream want to kill him.

So, essentially nothing in canon changes, everything stays the same just now with added explanations. And I imagine it ending with Sylvee (the unofficial member of the DSMP) coming to the rescue and kissing Dream in typical Disney Princess fashion, breaking the curse.

The End.

[ccthepandafangirl]

In honour of the recent... speculation, I feel like I should mention that I had a dream/half asleep thought of Grian "releasing" a vlog of Real Life at the start of April.

like. all the life series members are standing in football field next to a playground. there's cardboard cutouts of Cleo and Etho with smartphones taped over their mouths and set on speaker mode. Scar runs people over with his off-road wheelchair. Bdubs is whacking someone with a guitar. Impulse gets betrayed by the monkey bars while on his red life. They all go crazy with nerf guns and foam swords.

Jimmy, against all odds, is the last person standing. He goes "huh, I won?" and it immediately cuts to a black screen with the words "April fools" in white font.

There's a post credits scene of Grian laughing at Jimmy for thinking he'd survived a canon series.

[bugr0t]

/DSMP /RP

EVERYOJE SHUT UP SHUT UP, FUN THOUGHTS TIME. When c!Schlatt died of a drunken heart attack, he was, of course, drunk. when c!Quackity went to talk with his ghost, said ghost was also drunk. Glatt's memories of being alive seemed a bit blurry. As if he was hungover. c!Wilbur was happy when he died (smiling atleast), a result of having gone insane. ghostbur had only happy memories, and was almost always happy.

c!Tommy was scared when he died. He was trapped with his tormentor for weeks, and thought nobody cared. He never had a ghost. And he came back a shell of himself. Empty.

So theory, the ghosts are mirrors of what people felt when they died and Tommy being a "shell of himself" is a reflection of him never having a ghost while dead. I'm

[thatsquitepoggers]

I fucking hate color theroy. LIKE WDYM THIS IS THE SAME COLOR?!

[catandmellohi]

Since it was never confirmed who Harpocrates was in the dsmp, which Harpocrates theory did you like the best?

[shopmoonymoss]

heres a sneak peak of my designs for my ticket keychains :D [part one]

first theres my Ranboo rebrand design !! this design i used for my test batch, as you can see in the video below, and they turned out great !!

next we have a silly Jschlatt one :D

and a Jack Manifold one !! this one is inspired by one of tubbos newer tweets :3

heres a QSMP one !!

and a last life ticket :P

i even made a hermitcraft one !!

and lastly a Matpat ticket !! guys i promise im not in denial !!

[zecoritheweirdone]

saw the news that @scorpionoesit's fic vagabonds will be making a return in a few days,, and i am!! hyped!!!!! so hyped that i made some more art for it!!!

basically i thought a bit too much about a stuffed bear and then this happened,, sksnskjsk. ended up doing a slight redesign of my own vagabonds!tommy design,, slightly inspired by this art! tho i did keep the ascot and the denim jacket i gave him, if a bit modified for the latter,,, loved loved the idea of michael braiding his hair a bit!!

[dissonantharmony]

fun fact of the day! over a third of all dsmp members have seen c!eret's eyes!

on a completely and totally unrelated note: alyssa has been added to the c!eret's eyes google doc!

[dreamsmp-polls]

What kind of hybrid is Tubbo?

[kay-then-i-guess]

I don't know how many dsmp-ers agree with this, but from a storytelling standpoint, c!Dream is just. A bad villian. I think it's a big reason why the ending is so universally hated.

I think in the beginning, it was okay, because we were all expecting more depth to get added to his character later. I saw so many fancomics and theories and analyses that gave such good ideas for a solid character, motive, and overall, a good villian. But we never really got that payoff.

He starts off with a basic "control obsessed" trait. He opposes the L'Manbergians for a mildly valid reason, and then only gives up the fight for control over Tommy (the discs). Then, Schlatt gives him the revive book; he gets even more control crazy. It's a good setup, but it never pays off in the way we want it to. The ending is unsatisfying for many, and nobody really stops to pity Dream, even though that's what they're trying to do. They're trying to pull this "aw, what a tragic character" card, but it's ultimately unsuccessful. Why? Well...

As I said, the setup is good, but things get muddled in the middle. After Dream gets the revive book, there is not a single moment where he's protrayed in any positive light. In fact, after this point, people's view of him gets worse. He slowly becomes more and more unforgivable. The problem with this is that after a certain point, characters cannot have a redemption arc. Or, at the very least, it would be very, very difficult. Dream hits this point. Once he hits that, the ending that people are expecting for him likely ends in death, or worse. The most satisfying ending for the audience is for him to die in a dramatic fashion—kind of like what happened with Schlatt. Schlatt's a good villian with a good ending; it's a satisfying end for a villian while still making it clear that our protagonists' stories are not over. We expected something like that for Dream, and frankly, nothing else would make sense. He had become so evil that the only option was death. There was no pity.

After he escapes from prison, we were ready for this ending. Clearly, it was ramping up for some big finale. And then, he never shows up. I recognize that there were other things going on behind the scenes that led to the lack of content, but it got to such a point that I was beginning to doubt if it ever would get an ending. I started to think that the dsmp would just fade away, all because their lead villian would not show up. All that build up to a dramatic death was, well, dying off. It was taking too long.

And then, when the ending did come along, it only pushes his "evilness" more. He reveals his revive book experiments and his end plan for Tommy and Tubbo. For a moment, the fact that he was gone for so long disappeared. The tensity is back.

And then they pulled the pity card.

It felt like a cop-out. There was no build up to it, no extra scenes with him before this moment where we stop to see his stuggle. No earlier streams where we can see him in an even slightly positive light. It just doesn't happen. So, of course, when they pull the "why can't things just be simple?" we all are yanked from the illusion of the world.

There are a lot of problems with the ending, but the failure to understand Dream's character, role as a villian, and audience expectations for him definitely harm the ending more than others.

I'd love to hear if you guys agree or disagree or just have anything to add! This is just my opinion, so I'd love to hear if anyone thinks differently. I like analyzing <3

[kozzax]

Back during the time between us knowing The Book existed and us knowing it was the Revival Book, I spent. Way too many hours thinking about it? And about what it could be, what it could mean. Something so powerful and dangerous and something that gave Schlatt so much power throughout his reign-- what could it possibly be?

I had two big ideas that I proposed to my friends at the time. One of them was what we got: the written directions for resurrection. I... was never as attached to this idea as I was to my other thought. Resurrection was a big topic on the server at the time and it seemed like other people were researching it too, as my qpp pointed out, but even if that weren't true-- my other idea was always more compelling to me.

Because my other idea? Was that it was the script.

[bleue-flora]

I think the nuke and reset still happened. The reason the world isn't destroyed is either because

It's several years into the future where stuff is rebuilt also considering cjack playing in a casino for years

Or dreamed reversed it recreated the world after ppl regained memories

Or the reset saved the world as well as the people and the nuke never hit dsmp.

I’d say the last options makes the most sense. I don’t know I always have this thought that if was either like the portal to the new update they had where it’s like another world but connected or that Dream reset their memories but just moves then millions of blocks away. So the nukes happened, they were just didn’t land.

Someone before you did bring up a time loop where I suppose the idea is they do the exact same thing they did before in season 2. However, with a presumably larger cast of characters and their spawn point being not in a spruce biome then it’s unlikely everything would be the same.

The theory that DreamXD recreated it/reversed it is interesting… maybe they (Eret? Everyone? Foolish, George? Someone else?) forced XD to give back their memories and the world… maybe the syndicate keeps their memories because of jumping into the portal and they somehow force XD to fix shit.

I don’t know lots of possibilities. The fact that Jack’s memory is so weird makes me that he’s just been gambling this whole time while Tommy and peeps do season 2, which is funny to think about. “Oh yall didn’t all die when I nuked you?” This whole time I thought you were dead… lol maybe he’s immune to the reset because he can’t die…