#Dramatic irony

[gerstein03]

Fr like it's called dramatic irony. You know what's coming in a way the characters don't. You know that as happy as Anakin is at the start of RotS that he's going to fall to the dark side, aid in the destruction of the Jedi order, and become a monster that will one day kill the man who was his best friend. The Jedi will be wiped out. Luke and Leia will grow up not knowing each other. The Republic will become an oppressive Empire. You know that as successful and happy as the Van Der Linde gang is for the first couple chapters in Red Dead Redemption 2, the gang is destined to fall apart. With the exception of John, Dutch, Bill, and Javier odds are good that all the gunslingers are gonna die. Dutch is going to lose his mind. John is gonna be forced to hunt down Dutch Bill and Javier. And as happy family as John's rancher life is, in a few short years it'll all come crashing down and he'll be murdered by the federal government. And as hard as Arthur and John try, Jack will become a poor lonesome cowboy and live the gunslinger life that nobody wanted him to live. How I Met Your Mother basically tells you in no uncertain terms that almost every romantic relationship Ted will have is going to fail because this is the story of the journey to meeting the woman he will be his wife. Sunrise on the Reaping is as tragic as it is because you know every tribute except Haymitch will die. You know Haymitch will do things that will lead to Snow having his entire family butchered. Knowing all this makes the story more painful and tragic. That's how dramatic irony works and by god does it work

“sotr is mid because you already know how it ends” shut the fuck up, the point of the book is that despite knowing how it ends you would have never known what actually went down because that’s the point of propaganda, the whole book is about the power of propaganda

[crim-bat]

The Jedi and Dramatic Irony

A lot of online SW fans have no idea what dramatic irony is.

Dramatic irony is a literary device where the audience or reader knows something that the characters in a story or play do not, creating a sense of suspense and heightened tension

Couple of my favorite things that people give jedi the news over is...

Thinking the jedi were arrogant for thinking the sith wouldn't come back without their realizing it

2. Almost anything in regards to Dooku in the films

For the first, and this is just using the movies for context, mind you, but if the knights templar showed up after a 700ish years of hiding and starting taking potshots at the french government, your first thought probably wouldn't be "oh it's the knights templar". After a thousand years, thinking the problem of the sith was settled is actually pretty reasonable. Disbelief and sending someone to investigate is the appropriately measured reaction.

For the second, Mace and Dooku were friends. He was noted as a political idealist. Because the Jedi aren't supposed to be doing things like assassination, disbelief is an understandable, if ultimately incorrect, reaction. For Dooku telling Obi Wan that the republic was under the control of a sith lord. I also would not believe the old man teaming up with a litany of corporate bad guys trying to start a war and kill a senator who's trying to advocate for peace. Why *would* I take what he said at face value?

There's others, but it's generally interesting to me how much the fanbase has pressure cooked the idea that good guys can't be wrong for understandable reasons. The jedi, for mundane reasons, thought the sith were gone after a thousand years and thus had that shit on lock. Similarly, Dooku in scenario a) was assumed to still be behaving like a jedi master ought to, and in scenario b), was assumed to be completely untrustworthy given what Obi Wan had witnessed.

There's things to beef with the jedi about. Like how they tend to ignore prophecy for better or worse, or how they handled Schmi, or how married they were to the de facto galactic government.

All of which are examples found throughout the movies.

We know the jedi are wrong about darth maul because we see it on screen. But just like the knights templars of old, it's an incredibly out of context problem that even pre-dated Yoda.

We know Mace and Obi Wan are wrong about Dooku because we see it on screen. But when Mace discussed him, he was known to be trust worthy. When Obi did, Dooku was a lying war conspirator.

Both examples of dramatic irony, both examples the SW fanbase use to give the jedi the business about their arrogance.

[elexuscal]

i'm such a sucker for dramatic irony at first meetings.

Prince Zuko raging at the heavens about needing to capture the Avatar. PresAux grousing about they contractually obligated spyware rent-a-cop. Captain Laurence privately despairing how this dragonet is going to ruin his career and personal life both.

Buddy!! That's your life changing friendship right there!!!

[dickgray-sin]

Rip Shakespeare you would have loved superbat identity porn 😔

[sweetteaanddragons]

I have seen a lot of Batman fic where Jason (as Red Hood) and Tim (as a civilian) are both kidnapped by bad guys and the bad guys try to convince Red Hood to give up information by torturing Tim on the theory that Tim is a kid, Red Hood protects kids, maybe Red Hood will be convinced to do the thing. Usually a lot of the drama in these stories come from Tim being convinced that Jason isn't even going to care that he's being tortured, and Jason actually caring very much but still not able to give up the info for whatever reason. (He doesn't actually have the info, it will endanger a large number of civilians, etc.)

And don't get me wrong: I love these stories. I devour them like popcorn.

But.

But I do think it would be fun to see a role reversal where someone kidnaps Tim as Robin and Jason as a civilian because they want info from Robin, and they torture Jason to get the info on the theory that hey, Jason is a civilian and Robin protects civilians, and they know torturing Robin won't work, every two-bit villain has tried that before, but maybe if they're threatening an innocent civilian -

Jason is pretty much convinced that Tim is not going to care if he gets beaten up! That Tim is going to probably consider it justice if he gets beaten up! But he can't just say that because then these guys will just kill him, and he really doesn't want to die again, so he just has to hope that Tim wants to see him beaten up badly enough to keep his mouth shut.

Meanwhile, Tim is over here having far more complicated feelings than Jason suspects and also really desperately does not want Jason to die again, because he has been there, seen that, gotten that depressed Batman and Nightwing t-shirt, and just no.

If anyone knows of a story where this is a thing, I would love to see it.

[sometimesoliloquy]

Listen Max has claimed that Nick has always been respectful towards Luke but like I'm sorry, sir, I really don't see how that level of ecstatically pornographic eye fucking right in front of her husband can be said to be within any modicum of respect I don't care if he was already in Mark's car a blind man could sense these two like a heat seeking missile a mile away. This poor man has just been cucked within an inch of his life I'm shocked he didn't about face and head straight back to that abandoned waterpark giftshop to live out the rest of his days in a vow of silence.😶💀🪦

[sorrysomethingwentwrong]

Chernobyl Humidifier !

 13 cm tall, 15 cm long, and 12 cm wide,

Designer: Alpaca3D

[iamnotshazam]

having a blorbo in greek mythology and epics is like the ancient world version of realizing the tv show had a different writer for the one episode your critter was wildly out of character and everyone is like "oh that's so them!" ??? did we watch the same show? helen of troy/sparta is a slut no wait she is a perfect woman no no she is a flawed human being no hold on she's a woman making her way in a man's world wait no she is the archetypal victim no wait-

not coincidentally i am reading madeline miller's the song of achilles for the first time and odysseus just showed up halfway through and odysseus'ed across the page so hard he made me fall in love with him all over again. achilles/patroclus is some foundational tragic queer romance, yeah i respect that, but odysseus. the laughing snake that tricks you into forgetting he is always ready to bite. my man

i bet he is a tricky character to write well but as long as he falls somewhere on the wile e. coyote <--> bugs bunny spectrum he is probably in character. because his character is to be tricksily varied. is he just a dude trying to get home? is he a larger than life hero? a rat bastard nobody can trust? the one male in hellas with a working brain who doesn't listen only to his dick or his overinflated ego? a wifeguy (positive)? a wifeguy (negative)? athena's special boy in this generation (telemachus and orestes wiping their noses on their blankets still)? or her latest mortal hackeysack, legs blurring in a looney tunes run between zany schemes, just a bit faster than the other doomed shmucks? all are intensely valid interpretations and go all the way back to homer 2800 years ago. incredible.

someone in the book is making fun of odysseus for bragging about how much he likes the ship, fresh from ithaca!! penelope modeled for the figurehead!!! he gets to see her while they're apart!!!! and that's why i set the book down for a minute. hgn. hdmahflshsk. odysseus sweetie pie i hope you still like it twenty years from now. the ghosts of my middle school english notes defining "dramatic irony" scream in ecstasy from the great beyond

[anthurak]

The funny thing when you realize Moxxie likely would have had no trouble at all with the Emberlyn job because he probably would have opted for sniping from across the street.

And of course if he's still using that blessed sniper rifle he swiped from Striker, then that holy piece of merch would have done jack shit XD

[the-empress-7]

I did not have this on my 2025 bingo card 🤣

This is my dear is called being neither silent nor silenced

[wits-end-stuff]

[justletmeon12]

Emily: "I actually have a really good magnet to decorate one of your drones with."

Thermal detonator cost flashes onscreen

[majesticflyingwalrus]

On an Arranged Marriage with Itachi, part 2

Itachi and his wife have finally given in to pressure from their families and decided they have to make a baby. Itachi believes that his wife is not sexually or romantically interested in him as she has never given him any indication and he feels guilty that she was forced to marry him against her will. As such, he feels uncomfortable with the idea of sex with her, even if she says she is willing and would like to finally be a mother. Otherwise, he would happily have more intimate sex and even like to make her orgasm one way or another. Knowing that artificial insemination is a thing, he briefly contemplates asking her if he can, in lieu of sex, give her a pipette and a "sample." He quickly disregards this idea as both ridiculous and actually kind of insulting.

Itachi's wife, having mistakenly come the the conclusion that Itachi is secretly gay lovers with Shisui, feels uncomfortable with the idea of forcing Itachi to have sex with her. As good a friendship as they may have, he is in love with someone else and is not and never will be physically attracted to her. She would only be forcing him to do it against his will, no matter how much he says he is willing. Knowing that artificial insemination is a thing, she briefly contemplates asking him if he can instead give her a pipette and a "sample." She quickly disregards this idea as both just too weird and probably kind of insulting.

They end up having incredibly awkward sex.

Itachi is unsure how much physical touch she is comfortable with, as she has never expressed any interest in physical touch from him, even now just for the sake of it. In fact, she still seems reluctant. Instead of kissing, touching, or any form of intimacy, he simply does the thing and finishes as quickly as possibly, which still takes awkwardly long because of how weird this whole situation is.

Itachi's wife theoretically would be happy to have more intimate, friends with benefits type sex, but she secretly knows Itachi loves Shisui and does not want to force him to kiss or touch her when he otherwise would not. It's just wrong. Instead, she lies rigid with her hands clutching her pillow and facing away the entire time Itachi does his thing.

Afterwords, Itachi takes a shower and sleeps in the spare room/would-be nursery he has been using as a bedroom the entire marriage.

Neither of them speak of or acknowledge this incident ever again.

[elysiandxyz]

HEROMARI WEEK 2025 DAY 5 : REAL WORLD / DREAM WORLD

“Mirrors can show your reflection, yes, but did you know you can also see another version of you?”

[ikebanaka]

Silco is such an insane fucking character, and it just hit me I never made a post about it. An oversight on my part, my apologies.

Anyways, the reason Silco is such an insane fucking character is that he is the embodiment of dramatic irony. Everything he is and does absolutely radiates dramatic irony. As I just told my best friend, if dramatic irony were actual radiation this motherfucker would the Chernobyl elephant's foot immediately post meltdown, with equally fatal and toxic results for everyone around him.

Let's run down the list, shall we?

He named Jinx for being the reason her father died, became her father, and then she became the reason he died. Just. Full circle on the accidental father killing.

Vander tried to kill him for being too violent and not caring about the lives being lost (your interpretation may be different, but that's what I've landed on). I uh, I don't think I have to explain the dramatic irony there. But to add a second layer, with this interpretation Vander tried to drown Silco to protect the Undercity from him (because he was wasting lives), but after Vander died he became the Undercity's greatest protector.

He is the Shimmer dealer in the Undercity, and while Shimmer provides minor healing and temporary strength, it eventually kills everyone who uses it. This is a direct fucking parallel to how he runs the Undercity; to his methods for trying to elevate the people of Zaun. And he himself relies on Shimmer to stay alive!

When he crashed the meeting of the Chem Barons, he proved that all of them were ironically incapable of surviving in the very air of the territory they claimed.

And when those two Barons tried to off him? The very child that he would've had killed in punishment (oops, there's another layer of irony for the protector of Zaun) was already dead because of the attack on the Shimmer factory. Whiiiich was the reason that Baron attacked him in the first place, to close the loop.

Now, I am fairly fresh off a rewatch, but all of this is still off the top of my head. There is for sure stuff that I'm missing. If anyone has additions I welcome them.

[fearbehere]

you know the end before it starts

wolf in white van, john darnielle / the secret history, donna tart / gone girl, dir david fincher / the illiad, homer / seven pounds, did gabriele muchino / oresteia, robert ickle / the raven boys, maggie stiefvater / they both die at the end, adam silvera / romeo and juliet, william shakespeare / war of the foxes, richard siken