#Daeron the Good

[franzkafkagf]

a whole bunch of daerons

[knightofthenewrepublic]

[tumbledrylowwest]

Daeron, Myriah and their sons and wives.

[direwolfrules]

So like, I just think it would be so funny if in the pre-Blackfyre Rebellion era, Daemon Blackfyre’s thing for Daenerys was one-sided. Like, there’s Daemon being a creepy weirdo and Daenerys is just like, “which bastard half-brother are you again?” Give me a Daenerys who absolutely does not give a fuck about Daddy’s favorite little tool to insult his trueborn heir for the high crime of *checks notes* being responsible. Give me Daenerys going to her brother who’s basically old enough to be her dad and being like, “Thank the gods you betrothed me to Maron Martell, I cannot stand Daemon’s constant talk about taking a second wife”.

Listen, I know George said in a word of god interview thing that Daenerys was in love with Daemon or whatever, but I simply do not care. If he wanted us to truly believe that she loved Daemon, he should have had her mourn him. I’m in the camp that the whole “BUT THEY WERE IN LOVE” thing in universe is just maesters making shit up for dramatic effect and also by Blackfyre rebels to try and add some romance to their cause, to spread the belief they’re fighting for some noble purpose or whatever.

Anyways, this is an anti-Daemon Blackfyre zone (joking, he can be so interesting but I do NOT believe he holds an actual claim to the Iron Throne, I’m actually much more interested in Daena, Rhaena, and Elaena trapped in the fucking Maiden Vault because Baelor decided to live out an eternal No-Nut November).

[drahg0]

ok but if your name is daeron targaryen you're gay ok. I don't make the rules

[tragedy-peanut-gallery]

The imperfect and very unhappy family of Viserys II

[atopvisenyashill]

what role do you think shiera seastar played in daeron ii's governance of westeros?

okay so first of all. shiera is roughly the same age/generation as all of daeron’s kids - the timeline is vague but the gap of years she could have been born in is like right at the tail end of rhaegal and maekar’s births to several years after. so i imagine that not dissimilar to daenerys, daeron takes more of a very distant brother/paternal role with her. a girl is not a threat the way a boy is, she’s young enough to be his own kid, and she's a motherless child, so it’s fine, she’s raised at court with his kids and he doesn't complain too much about it. i do wonder if part of shiera being raised at court is instigated by myriah and also what "raised at court" could even mean - Maekar is anywhere from like 4 to 10 when daeron becomes king (bloodraven is roughly around the same age as Maekar, maybe a year to four years older) which means Shiera is under 10 as well, as young as a toddler (i mean hell, if she's born at the tail end of Aegon's reign, she could be the same age as Valarr who is Daeron's grandson). So depending on when it is she's born, is she at KL or does Daeron ask for her to be brought to Dragonstone? I mean, how set up was Daeron's court at Dragonstone? It had to have existed at least on a small scale because Daeron takes the capital bloodlessly after Aegon IV dies.

SO. Anyways I think it's not likely she does very much at the beginning of his reign due to being around the same age as, at the oldest his second youngest son and at the youngest the same age as his first grandchild. Coupled with the fact that her mother is dead and foreign born, being from Lys, she likely lives the life of a typical lady at court but potentially without the pressure to marry. Yes, she's a bastard, but she's a legitimized one, beloved by the royal family, with a sister-by-law who comes from a culture that seems to believe if you have a bastard, you best act like a responsible parent for that child (not to say Dorne doesn't have it's own bastard based issues, see: Obara BUT I do think someone like Robert would not be allowed to just leave all his bastards all scattered about willy nilly. I think it's likely those children and their mothers have the ability to push for acknowledgement in a way a lot of bastards north of the marches don't). I also think the fact that Shiera's mother is foreign born would help ingratiate her with Myriah and Daeron's kids - we know Larra felt like an outcast, I think it's likely Shiera bonds with the royal family over feeling like she's culturally on the outs.

By the time she's an adult, the Blackfyre Rebellion is in full swing. So - does she take on a more advisory role when she gets older? I think it's possible. Here are some choice quotes:

"You've known queens and princesses. Did they dance with demons and practice the black arts?" "Lady Shiera does. Lord Bloodraven's paramour. She bathes in blood to keep her beauty. And once my sister Rhae put a love potion in my drink, so I'd marry her instead of my sister Daella."

-the Sworn Sword

Bloodraven proved to be a capable Hand, but also a master of whisperers who rivaled Lady Misery, and there were those who thought he and his half sister and paramour, Shiera Seastar, used sorcery to ferret out secrets. It became common to refer to his "thousand eyes and one," and men both high and low began to distrust their neighbor for fear of their being a spy in Bloodraven's employ. 

-The World of Ice and Fire

"You can know a man by his friends, Egg. Daeron surrounded himself with maesters, septons, and singers. Always there were women whispering in his ear, and his court was full of Dornishmen. How not, when he had taken a Dornishwoman into his bed, and sold his own sweet sister to the prince of Dorne, though it was Daemon that she loved? Daeron bore the same name as the Young Dragon, but when his Dornish wife gave him a son he named the child Baelor, after the feeblest king who ever sat the Iron Throne.

-the Sword Sword

We know very little about Shiera at this moment in time but I think it's not unlikely that for the middle part of Daeron's reign, when it seems Baelor & Valarr have taken the lead on going out and about in the kingdom, that Shiera was acting in some sort of advisory capacity (nothing official, similar to Elaena in that she's working behind the scenes rather than sitting on the council) and some people had a bit of an issue with it. I think it's not unlikely that as Daeron got older, he might have distanced himself from her but by that point she had an in: no i'm not talking about bloodraven i'm talking about Aerys. Aerys immediately made Bloodraven hand and while I give Daeron some shit for not getting Bloodraven under control, it's ultimately Aerys that really lets Bloodraven go crazy with his police state and I think Shiera has big hand in that, perhaps on par with Lady Mysaria. Or at least, I hope she does lmao, and I think it's interesting that both Mysaria and Serenei, Shiera's mom, are from Lys. Maybe Shiera being mentioned in conjunction with Mysaria and Bloodraven is nothing, but I think what's most likely is that as Shiera got older and started dabbling with more magic, she took up a sort of Court Sorceress role a la Melisandre, at the behest of King Aerys I himself - and why wouldn't he turn to her? It's likely they were raised together!

[moompl]

Do you think Maekar ever thought Darron’s death was some sort of divine punishment? Do you think Maekar—who thought the throne was his punishment— recalled his own father, who lost his first born by Maekar’s own hand, as Daeron succumbed? His father had lost his son, and now Maekar would lose his (and his second born) as penance.

Do you ever wonder what Maekar was thinking as his son died?

[sarcasticsweetlara]

Daena should have been the mother of Daeron II the Good Targaryen

Crédits to @wweskywalker

Daena was the true embodiment of a Targaryen.

I think if Viserys had married Daena before Baelor had the chance to lock her away, Daena could have had the chance to see the bigger picture of how to govern, and while trying to get justice for Daeron I Targaryen, like asking for the heads of the people who killed him and retribution from every Dornish House as the weight of every hostage on gold, and then Daena could have made the very same deal of betrothing Daeron II and Myriah Martell and later that of Daenerys and Maron, while betrothing Rhaena to a Marcher Lord, like a Lord of House Oakheart, to balance the alliances with Dorne and the Marches. The Oakhearts were a family that respected peace and liked the Faith and they would have treated Rhaena well.

They could have sent Baelor to a Sept where he could not bother anyone and therefore everyone would be happier.

Daena could have kept using the crown of her mother and thus it would've stayed within House Targaryen, and there would not have been Blackfyre Rebellions.

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I imagine Daena convincing Daeron to let her marry Viserys and wanting to court and be courted by Viserys before marrying him, and then in the second year of their marriage they can have Daeron (in honor of her beloved brother/his eldest nephew), followed by Aegon (a more respectful and actual smart Aegon; and to honor Daena's father/Viserys' brother), Aemon the Dragon Knight, and Daenerys.

Rhaena could have had two daughters: Naerys and Visaella (we can be safe the name Naerys was used before the Conquest as it was considered a significant Targaryen name for Naerys to compensate for the Rogare blood in her in ASOIAF; and the name Visaella is possible as a variant of the name Visenya/Viserra).

Daeron would still marry Myriah Martell, and Daenerys to Maron.

Naerys and Aemon would marry and have a daughter Aerea Targaryen who would marry into House Dondarrion and become the mother of Kiera Dondarrion, the wife of Valarr Targaryen, and later Daeron The Drunken Targaryen.

Whereas Visaella could marry into House Dayne and be the mother of Dyanna Dayne.

(Rhaena was a scholar, but it's probable she developed agoraphobia after being stuck in the Maidenvault for so long; and she deserves to be part of the line of Azor Ashai.)

Aegon could have married Melissa Blackwood and have had Mya, Gwenys and Brynden, and through a relationship with Serenei have Shiera, who would be legitimized out of love and not to spite anyone; he could work as a Hand for his brother, and be a good person, and given his hard and long time working as a Hand for his brother and later his nephew Aerys, Aegon was legitimately known and recognized as Aegon IV "The Helpful".

Peace with Dorne would be done and steadfast.

Daena by Viserys' side would take wise decisions and consider the option to avenge Daeron but still work to have peace.

And it would be interesting because if they rule together it's completely different to how it was with her grandparents/his parents but still important; because with Rhaenyra and Daemon it was Rhaenyra the one taking decisions while Daemon enacted them, now it is shared by Daena and Viserys through a double claim. You can see the parallels to Henry VII and Elizabeth of York or Ferdinand II and Isabella of Castile.

And also, because Aegon III and Daenaera, and Daena above everything deserved to be in the main line of Azor Ashai, and because Viserys really deserved someone better than the abusive daughter of his kidnapper as a wife who left him in a very vulnerable position. Larra left when Viserys was becoming an adult who was wiser now and more mature as well, and when also her family had regained some of their riches, how convenient.

In this scenario Daenerys would look like her greatx4grandmothers Daena and Rhaena - it's nothing against Naerys, but we have to erase her since Larra would never have married Viserys, because it's possible part of the reason why Viserys didn't spend so much time with Aegon IV, Aemon and Naerys was because they looked like Larra; Aegon like Larra and Lysandro, - Viserys' biggest abusers - Aemon like Larra in a softer way, and Naerys like Larra and Viserys himself, an eternal reminder of what he went through with Larra.

Larra Rogare and her family only brought grief to Viserys' life, and while she may not have had another choice but leave her children behind, it is interesting to see Larra only returned to Lys once her older brother Moredo was able to get some of their old possessions back.

Maybe in other circumstances the relationship of Viserys and Larra could have been different but it was not, and Daena would have been perfect together, a reminder of Rhaenyra and Daemon.

[rynnthefangirl]

Myriah: So what about you? Are you close with your father?

Daeron:

Daeron:

Daeron:

Daeron: Uneventful

Myriah: What?

Daeron: What?

Myriah: I asked if you’re close with your father, and you say there in silence for 5 minutes and then said “uneventful”.

[seygay]

In my personal headcanon Daeron and Myriah adopted Shiera after her mother died, so Maekar’s hatred of Bloodraven includes “oh this is the bitch my sister’s dating”

[tweedfrog]

This is what it was like going from the reign of Aegon the Unworthy to Daeron the Good

[highgardenart]

King Daeron II Targaryen

“[his] reign quickly stabilized the realm, and he soon came to be called Daeron the Good by the smallfolk and noble lords alike.

[a0random0gal]

You know one of the things that saddens me the most about the dance (other than the deaths of my faves and it's general outcome) Is the extinction of dragons.

There were such majestic creatures and it really hurts to see them die out like that. But I then I start thinking about how the future would have turned out with dragons still alive and...

Aerys II with a dragon?

The battle of the Trident but Rhaegar has a dragon? (Actually, since he descends from a Targaryen princess, Bobby B could also have a dragon if he managed to claim one and that's equally terrifying.)

Actually, with dragons on their side the Mad King would have won the war 100% and basically all of our faves would have died or never been born.

The blackfyre rebellions but both sides have dragons? Shit, that'd be a second dance.

Aegon IV with a dragon? ( No wait nevermind , he'd be too fat to get on it anyway)

Suddenly I'm so glad these Targs never had the chance to get their nasty hands on them.

Sorry Morning, but I'm kind of glad you were the last one.

[lagosbratzdoll]

I love the Targaryens, more the women than the men. The women are cool and brave and kind, and then there are the men. Almost every single problem that arose in their house can be traced back to the men fucking up. Maegor, Aegon the Usurper, Aegon the Unworthy. 

Maegor became King because Aenys was too indecisive and wanted to please everyone, but Maegor was a cruel and unpredictable king. Aegon the Usurper caused the dance of the dragons that led to the extinction of dragons, and we all know what Aegon the Unworthy did. 

Some men are truly great, like Lord Bloodraven, Aegon the Unlikely, Daeron the Good and Aegon the Conqueror, but most are just middling. Someone’s gonna mention the Conciliator, but fuck Jaehaerys and Aemond the Kinslayer too. 

Jaehaerys is a misogynist and his actions led to the death or dispossession of every single one of his daughters, except for Daenerys I, who died of the shivers. His actions or inaction led to Viserys becoming king over Rhaenys, further cementing the male line taking precedence over the female.

Aemond isn't even the most iconic one-eyed man in his house, and that's saying something. He rode the largest dragon in the world and had a sapphire eye, and he couldn't manage to be interesting. He was a coward who fled from battles between equals and was killed by a 50-year-old man and his much smaller dragon. 

[sshireens]

the daemon → viserys → aegon iv → daeron pervert gene pass-down is really an under appreciated theory and i am i think the only one who believes it