#Crowley defense squad

[fellthemarvelous]

Do not ever tell me that Aziraphale is being selfish here.

Never. Not once. If you try to even start, shut your fucking mouth.

Do you know how hard it is to admit something like this when you're not even supposed to want anything?

Gabriel was surprised the first time he was given a gift.

Aziraphale is telling Crowley he wants to make things better, but he doesn't think he can do it without Crowley.

He is pouring his heart out right here. He doesn't think he can do enough good without Crowley. He wants to make Heaven better, but he thinks he needs Crowley to make it happen.

This is the one time that Crowley cannot help him, but that doesn't mean that what Aziraphale is doing is wrong.

Me saying that Aziraphale isn't doing anything wrong by going back to Heaven doesn't mean I'm saying Crowley is wrong for the choice he made either. Neither of them is wrong. This is not a black and white situation.

Aziraphale told Crowley he needed him while the Metatron was within hearing distance.

Let me say this as loudly as possible for you, m'kay?

AN ANGEL JUST TOLD A DEMON HE NEEDS HIM.

We all remember how that's a no-no, right?? That's exactly the kind of language Aziraphale always avoided because even ducks have ears. And the one time he used that kind of language was when the Metatron was waiting to take him back to Heaven because the Metatron knows about their history.

The last time Heaven implied that Aziraphale and Crowley were together, Sandalphon punched him in the stomach.

But go off with how Aziraphale is so selfish and only ever thinks about his own wants and needs after he bared his heart to Crowley in front of the fucking Metatron. Go off with how you keep proving you didn't understand the first thing about Aziraphale and Crowley's shades of grey discussion from 1941.

Be mad at Aziraphale if it helps you heal, but don't assassinate his character by turning him into someone he's not just because you're desperate for your villainized version of him to be real.

Crowley wouldn't stand for that shit because he's perfectly capable of taking care of himself.

[dee-morris]

*taps the sign again*

[good-soupmens]

There was that whole influx of Aziraphale hate at the beginning, so Azi supporters stepped in to defend his actions (also to say that Crowley isn't blameless and they both have issues and made mistakes)

Now I'm seeing "selfish Crowley" posts???

Bro. the POINT is.

The POINT IS.

Stop shifting all the blame to one of them. Stop fighting 😭 There aren't sides, the whole point is that there aren't sides

WE'RE ON THEIR SIDE

[aziraphaledefensesquad]

Tumblr good omens fandom lately is

Good omens “fan”- ‘I can’t wait for aziraphale to suffer for what he’s done. I hope Crowley makes him beg and still rejects him. Aziraphale is a selfish snob who doesn’t care about humanity, just the stuff they make so he can eat and watch plays, and he makes Crowley do a bunch of shit for him that Crowley only does because he’s a victim of abuse

Another good omens fan who actually has lit skills- “um actually, that’s a mischaracterization on both ends…”

“Fan”- I’m so sick of how this entire fandom guns for Crowley non-stop and just elevates aziraphale

[aziraphaledefensesquad]

Omg This should be my header now

I can't believe there are still people out there defending Aziraphale and not seeing how selfish he is and how cruel he's intentionally being to Crowley, because he never really loved him. Aziraphale only used Crowley when he needed something.

Just because you love Aziraphale you can't keep denying the hard evidence in front of your very eyes!

If you ever needed a reminder of said evidence, here it is, just look at him!

Just learn to read the subtext, ok? Here the subtext clearly says: oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, the Metatron is talking to me! I'm so thrilled!

And here: I'm so excited I might jump up and do the time warp! I can't believe this is happening! After thousands of years my hard work as an angel is finally being recognized! Look at my face, this is the best moment of my life!

The subtext to this one is easy: would you mind terribly if I kissed you, Metatron? I've just been offered everything else I'd always wanted in my life, now I want you Metie!

In contrast, now look at these pictures and their subtexts

Oh, how annoying having you around, Crowley.

But did you have to come to the church tonight?

You are the most undeserving being in the universe and I despise you.

I would smite you alright. (Oooops, that might be read in two different ways. But you know which one I mean, of course).

Oh, you again? Bugger.

So you see. Aziraphale clearly is the villain in Good Omens, if you don't trust this evidence, what can you trust?

[idliketobeatree]

btw when you're being mean to aziraphale this is who you're being mean to. hope this helps

[very-normal-abt-this]

Just wanted to remind everyone here that this is NOT the face of someone who has just intentionally rejected the love of his life. <3

[goodomens-girlie]

I just know Aziraphale was gabbing with those gays about Crowley and they all thought Aziraphale and Crowley were together, little did they fucking know

[aziraphaledefensesquad]

Argh what are people not getting. They both have different ways of dealing with The Problem ^tm. They are both wrong. Aziraphale is thinking he can work it down from the top, except the core of the apple is rotten. Crowley wants to wait for it to come to him, he’s quick to think on his feet and sees no point in screwing around with 19395 scenarios when he can react with information. Except he wants to do it all with just aziraphale only and he sometimes ensnares himself in his plan.

They both want to save people and earth.

Crowley did not speak out against the Flood and show kindness to the Son of God and risk Satan's wrath to save Job's children and endure decades in Hell for Elspeth and lead a terrified group of humans to safety through a pack of demons and propose stopping the apocalypse for people to say that Aziraphale is the only one of the two of them who is trying to protect humanity. tbh

[dalliancekay]

Aziraphale does NOT need to suffer MORE

Can't believe I have to say this. TW: grief, mourning, death (sorry) I have, since falling into the fandom 6 months ago to escape real life, seen many takes on how Aziraphale needs to (or at least should) suffer in S3 to match Crowley's suffering. As the counterpart to the moment Crowley thinks he lost Aziraphale as he's looking for him desperately in the burning bookshop....

...after this he drinks, we suppose, to dull his pain, waiting for the Armageddon. Or, for the way Crowley suffers at the bandstand argument, the 'I Forgive You' moments, which many people find utterly devastating and incredibly heartless from Aziraphale. Not to mention when he doesn't react in the 'right way' to Crowley's confession in the Final 15. And then on top of that, 'abandons' Crowley. For Heaven. Oh and also for, and I quote: "The smug and entitled way Aziraphale went around in S2 assuming Crowley would love and follow him everywhere." And so for all this pain that Crowley endured for him, Aziraphale should suffer in S3 (to I assume) even out the scores. Or... to deserve Crowley. Some people also want to see him lose it, show his emotions, to cry or beg or otherwise show how much he misses Crowley and how very sorry he is for what he has (so thoughtlessly) done.

Now for the TW grief content I motioned above. You can skip to the next sentence in bold.

I was on holiday late September last year, visiting my mum, stepfather and my two younger brothers. We went to a cousin's wedding. It was great. The day after, as I was hanging out reading a book, my mum got a call. The kind of call every mother fears. My youngest brother (he was 27) died in an accident. We needed to speak to police and the coroner. She cried and cried. She's still crying. She asks questions. She gets no answers. I...did not cry. I talked to the police. I googled a funeral home. I bought my brother his last set of clothes. He lived in a hoodie and torn black jeans. Mum wanted a suit. I texted a lot of people. I bought snacks for the many friends who came to the funeral and wanted to speak to us after. My grief feels like a vice. I am not sad. I do not appear sad. Contrary to what people expect. But I am ANGRY. I am furious. But nobody can see this. I am not fine and I wish no one would ever* ask how I was again. TW/Personal content over. WE ALL SUFFER DIFFERENTLY Since I was small (because I am weird like that) I genuinely wondered if, finding myself in danger, I could scream like people in films do. I don't think I could. I cope with hard situations, fear and stress and anxiety by shutting down, sometimes by retreating as well, and by furiously (but quietly) trying to find a way out. And I think Aziraphale does the same. And that's why I love him so much. And why I feel I get him and understand that people sometimes can't tell how much he's actually feeling. I also express love the way Aziraphale does - by organising things for people, inviting them places, making plans. When Crowley said you call me for three things (and it's basically any old reason) I felt SO SEEN. This is what I would do with a friend who I know is feeling unmoored, sad, stuck (Crowley's 'What's the point of it all' at the beginning of S2). I'd text them with any old thing. I'd never actually say I love you, but I would try to get them to talk, meet me, go somewhere. Aziraphale does not express emotions the same way as Crowley.

But his emotions are valid nonetheless. He is worried for Crowley from around 3 minutes into their acquaintanceship. And he NEVER stops worrying from then on.

And are we quite sure he has never lost Crowley?

How many times did Aziraphale's heart freeze in horror when he realised Hell has taken Crowley and he had no idea if he'll ever come back and what is happening to him?

How did Aziraphale spend the night after vanquishing the demons and starting a war? He had no idea where Crowley was. What happened to him. He was probably sick with worry that Hell just took him away. We didn't see him drink and cry, but surely, the worry must have been overwhelming. The wait for what will happen now.

ALL his worries over the Arrangement. Was he worried for himself? Do we really think that?

Crowley thought he lost Aziraphale in S1, yes, we saw that. And what happened to the angel then?

He got blown into atoms which I bet wasn't pleasant and when he arrives in Heaven he limps. Why is he hurt? And why is he quickly pretending he isn't? Why is he always hiding how he feels? Also, he immediately deserts, wants no part in the Holy War and quickly finds an extremely unconventional way to get back. It's not a grand gesture, he doesn't deliberate, doesn't worry that he will Fall (although surely that must have been what he thought will happen if he survives this), there's no pomp around it, he thinks it and then does it. No hesitation.

Is this coming from an angel who just can't leave Heaven behind and longs to be a part of it? Who loves to follow rules? And let's not forget in those moments Aziraphale thought Crowley was most likely gone. That he probably left for Alpha Centauri. Last he heard from him he was told he was talking to an old friend and had no time for him. Why we NEVER talk about how that might have felt for Aziraphale? About his sadness?

Things are not as simple as Aziraphale has been supressing his emotions and lying to himself about how he feels and he should get over it and become free. That's not how this works. First of all, he was suppressing his emotions OUT OF LOVE. His main goal was always to keep Crowley safe. They simply couldn't run away or hoodwink Heaven and Hell. They had nowhere to go. They had no hope and yet they kept loving each other. That's courage. I know we all grew up with Romeo and Juliet and Heathcliff and Cathy and we FORGOT that those were CAUTIONARY tales. And this is not what Aziraphale wants for them. He would never allow himself to go so fast he would hurt Crowley. He feels guilty enough for agreeing to the Arrangement and for meeting Crowley at all when he knows they can be discovered and punished at any point. And Crowley knows it and RESPECTS it. He does not tolerate Aziraphale's decision to not go on a date and to hell with circumstances. He understands Aziraphale's reasoning and he respects Aziraphale's decision. Don't forget, they have NO POWER. They can't change Heaven and Hell. They can't stop believing in God and work on their religious trauma. Their Heaven and Hell are real places with real power and they both BELONG to them. Aziraphale's trauma and his personality are deeply intertwined and he'd probably never be the kind of person who is open in showing their grief or stress like Crowley does. He will learn to be more open, I'm sure. With his love especially, we see him reaching for and touching his demon in S2. Openly being with him, looking at him without guarding himself. They got a little bit of freedom for themselves despite ALL odds. So. Just because Aziraphale is not crying and screaming and I dunno, tearing his hair out or whatever some people would have him do, does not mean he isn't overflowing with pain, fear, uncertainty, doubts, worries, and so much anxiety that if he let it all out, half of the solar system would turn to ashes.

Aziraphale does not need to suffer in S3 to level out Crowley's suffering. They are, unfortunately, equal in their pain as they are in love. If there is one thing Crowley would never abide, it'd be this take from the fandom. * One more note on grief: (obviously from my personal experience) As initiated by @anthony-crowleys-left-nut in a comment

It's not that I mind to know people care and worry etc, not at all. But asking how I am can only end up in me lying (fine, thank you) and both of us knowing it's not really true and feeling awkward or not lying (I feel like shit, mostly cos I can't sleep and think the world is a stupid, unfair place) and both of us feeling awkward anyway. Does that make sense? I wish I could tell friends/colleagues to ask what I've been up to or something similar instead. What I've been reading (um, AO3, but I'll make something up), watching, do I want to go see some spring flowers bloom (I do). I think...this would probably work not just for someone who is grieving but also for someone who you know is dealing with depression for example or a serious illness etc. Edit 2. It's now almost (in 15 days) a year since my brother died. The random attacks of pain and grief have lessened and I have started to do more of the things I enjoyed before... and I am able to answer how are you questions without feeling like they are trying to mock me (the questions, not the people). So I suppose things do get ... lighter? More diffused? I'm not sure. Because it's still exactly as unfair that my brother has not lived this past year as it will be however many years I will be here without him I expect.

[aziraphaledefensesquad]

This is a Crowley defense post:

Why does so much fanfiction portray him as sickly and weak or frail and fragile? Where is this even coming from? There’s not even a canon strand to pull on this- radio, series, book- but it sure the hell is common.

Is there a history on this frail Crowley thing? And usually aziraphale is taking care of him. Without respite. Or comfort. Or sometimes, even a thank you. And if aziraphale loses his temper or tires in the fic, he is chastised.

But still- frail weak Crowley- helpless, barely able to garden- (we actually still do not know he likes to garden btw) needing so much help.

WHY

[bwlkins]

Almost seven months. And there's still "Aziraphale chose Heaven over Crowley".

More like Aziraphale chose life over death. Don't you think?

We all love Crowley, but sometimes it's not just him you're supposed to look at. He's not the only character of this show. Everyone and everything else matter too.

Aziraphale left not only Crowley, but also their bookshop and everything else. The only thing Aziraphale can leave Crowley and their bookshop for is their lives.

Seems like the Metatron isn't going to smite Aziraphale and/or Crowley here and now. But he might change his mind if Aziraphale keeps turning him down.

[azfell-ajcrowley]

The offers that can't be refused: the Metatron-Beelzebub parallels.

Because people keep telling Crowley said no, Aziraphale said yes. Oh, God, give me strength.

Crowley said he rejected Hell's offer, but did he? Let's compare the Beelzebub's and Metatron's methods. Let's find the parallels between the scenes.

The appearance of the superiors is accompanied by bell ringing in both cases.

Crowley and Aziraphale are unpleasantly surprised, they exclaim their superiors' names. Why would such high-ranking bosses personally visit a traitors' hideout?

They remind about the arrangement with their superiors.

The threats: the direct one from Hell, the veiled one from Heaven.

The change of guises.

The flattery.

The knowledge of the Earth as the deciding factor for their choices.

The mentions of Gabriel. It's logical for the conversation with Beelzebub, because the Prince's of Hell motives are already clear. Crowley was summoned for the purpose of finding their beloved Archangel.

What is the reason the Metatron mentions him? And as a benchmark for assessing Aziraphale's actions. From the point of view of the Voice's of God manipulative art, one can understand why. Aziraphale cannot be evaluated on the Michael or Uriel scale, because he himself considers them as bad angels.

And finally, the position offers. Crowley nodds while looking at Beelzebub, Aziraphale says he don't want to go to Heaven.

Bonus: the threats of erasing from the Book of Life. Crowley rushes to Aziraphale intending to save him. And Aziraphale having received additional threats from the Metatron tries to reproduce their conversation for Crowley.

They're the same, Your Honour!

Crowley has refused to be a Duke of Hell just like Aziraphale has agreed to be a Supreme Archangel. Neither of them have responded yes or no.

It's clear this demon lied to Beelzebub, but his angel is also very experienced in this matter. And Aziraphale is accused of doing exactly as Crowley did. Without a chance to get out of it, he decided to keep silent, so as not to incur the wrath of his superior. Namely the Metatron who is even higher in rank than Beelzebub.

[extraaa-30]

how crowley reacts when people on this site shit talk aziraphale

just a reminder 😊✨

[aurlworthfightingfor]

Aziraphale haters: why isn’t every single thought or action done to further Crowley’s story or make Crowley happy???? How dare he be his own damn person

Crowley’s reaction to this bullshit:

I don’t get it. If you love Crowley? Then by default you should also love Aziraphale. If you hate Aziraphale, then you truly don’t understand Crowley. Period.

[nimbusalba]

Aziraphale doesn't reject Crowley. He never dismisses his feelings nor his confession. When does Az tell Crowley he's wrong, that he doesn't feel the same way, that they are just friends? He never denies that they have always relied on each other and that they have always been a team, a group of the two of them. Aziraphale shares the same feelings, he kisses Crowley back. He never, ever rejects Crowley.

Aziraphale just refuses to go away with Crowley, because he cannot go, because they are in danger, because Metatron has threatened them, specifically Crowley, and Aziraphale needs to protect him, protect them. And doing that breaks Aziraphale's heart.

In the same way, Crowley doesn't reject Aziraphale, he rejects heaven. After Aziraphale tells him to go with him, to become an angel again, Crowley still kisses him, loves him desperately, and waits for him outside. He waits until Az goes into the lift. Crowley doesn't lose hope, he's an optimist deep down.

They reject the horrible circumstances they are in, but they don't reject each other, they don't dismiss each other's feelings. Their hearts are broken but they don't break each other's hearts. Their hearts get broken because of the horrible position they are in, because of Metatron's threats, because heaven and hell are toxic.

It's a tragedy because they need to keep fighting for each other, they cannot rest yet.

It's weird how I like 95% agree with this.

It's just that... it wasn't a rejection.

@supreme-leader-stoat sorry I can’t find the original of this!