#Classpect inversion

[psyoniks]

Grimdark/Inverse Mage of Mind

So from my understanding, there's three main popular theories on how one goes about being Grimdark.

-Influenced by the Horrorterrors -Being consumed by their classpect - Rejecting their classpect

I wanted to just write about how I think a Mage of Mind would go about the last two points, since I just think it would be interesting and we already know how one gets influenced by the horrorterrors. You don't have to read if you don't like class inversion since I'm pretty sure they go together with grimdark(i don't care if class inversion is 'wrong', I think its cool anyways). These are just my thoughts but feel free to correct or add anything since this is pretty far from anything canon.

-Being consumed by their classpect

I don't think we've seen in canon anyone getting consumed or overwhelmed with their classpect, so this isn't really based on anything. Maybe a Mage of Mind being consumed by their classpect ending up grimdark would do whatever it takes to get their desired result, obsessive even, if it means being violent/and or controlling, then so be it. There's too many actions to take and the amount of knowledge hurts the Mage, knowing how one little action can completely doom a session. Maybe they don't trust their teammates to not fuck everything up and accidentally doom the session, since there's so many wrong actions they could take. Or maybe they were hurt from an action someone else took, lack of knowledge ending up hurting the Mage in the end. Either way, i think they try to take things into their own hands as a safety measure or just being selfish, forcefully making or threatening others to take certain actions, just so they could see the outcomes or get the desired results. And from what we know, going grimdark is going off the deep end in every which way possible and I would think this counts.

- Rejecting their classpect

I want to use Eridan, where it's theorized that before he started on a murder spree, that he went grimdark by destroying or rejecting Hope, in turn becoming a Rage player. I'm not sure if that's just because of his class, being the Prince of Hope, so he was able to destroy it. But with using this logic, if a Mage of Mind is one that knows what actions to take and should act on it, then the opposite of Mind is Heart and more specifically Heir of Heart is the inverse of a Mage of Mind. So maybe a Grimdark Mage of Mind would let go of taking action and reject logic, instead letting their feelings and emotions influence their actions. Instead letting others make their own actions and letting things just happen without doing anything at all to act on it. Maybe someone's making a terrible, fucked up session dooming action and the Mage of Mind just doesn't care and lets it happen, OR cares too much but still lets it happen, their emotions taking over and stunning them, unable to act logically. Summing up what I think classpect rejection would look like. Of course not every action that the Mage lets go of has to be dooming a session, but you could imagine how quickly that could mess a session up. This feels more class inversion than someone going grimdark, but I still wanted to add it.

[tavtiers]

Classpect Opposite & Inverse Groupings

Given inverse and opposites, classpects seem to fall into neat groups of 8.

These groups are made up of a class opposite pair, their inverse/opposite pair, and the opposite aspect versions of them. Take the Sylph of Life, for example. The opposite of a Sylph of Life is a Maid of Doom. The Inverse of a Sylph of Life is a Prince of Doom. The opposite of a Prince of Doom is a Bard of Life, which in turn is the inverse of a Maid of Doom. 

That gives you: Sylph of Life, Maid of Doom, Prince of Doom, Bard of Life

Swap the aspects around and you also get: Sylph of Doom, Maid of Life, Prince of Life, Bard of Doom

In total this gives you an 8 classpect set. I have come up with defined names for each of these groups (with extra thrown in for Muse & Lord). Combine the Class and Aspect group names for the full name of your 8 classpect set.

In this case, the above set would be: those that Alter Energy to Influence. The aspect descriptions used come from bladekindeyewear.

Classes

Muse & Lord: Master Sylph, Bard, Maid, Prince: Alter Page, Rogue, Knight, Thief: Use Seer, Heir, Mage, Witch: Explore

Aspects (x)

Space/Time: Physical Existence Void/Light: Knowing & Perceiving Breath/Blood: Paths, Drive, Passion Life/Doom: Energy to Influence Mind/Heart: The Individual’s Impact Rage/Hope: Faith in Possibility

[derseprinceoftbd]

[aortaobservatory]

I need a little help, i have been mostly confused about my classpect since i have described myself as a sylph of heart, but i have been doubting my classpect since people (offical homestuck quiz) has told me im the light aspect

Aspect is the force that is most important in a person's life, whether lacking or abundant, whether good or bad, whether they want it or not.

The official TEZ quiz isn't bad for telling what your aspect is, but I wouldn't necessarily call it good either. If you know how to juxtapose the aspects and classes, it can be a somewhat viable springboard; it classified me, for example, as Mind Prospit, but I am Heart Derse. My class just happens to be Seer, which warped my answers on the quiz to appear as the inverse of what I was. (Seers study their true aspect through the lens of their inverse - I study Heart and Identity via Mind and Rationality. This means I appear to be a Mind Player on a surface level, but my deep desires are aligned with Heart; this is something a simple quiz cannot discern.)

For a lot of the people I have helped classpect (my friends, in private, because the way I classpect is extremely personal), they skipped the quiz entirely. What I found was that it helped the most to look at what their inverse was and see if that fit their experiences as much as the potential true classpect they were looking at.

Here's how I look at it:

If you describe yourself as a Sylph of Heart, your inverse would be Bard of Mind. A Sylph of Heart fulfills the Bard of Mind inverse by passively destroying that which is Mind (Rationality and Logic). Being a pure source of their aspect, a Sylph of Heart is either "scared of" or "sees no need for" what is Rational and Logical. They focus on actively enhancing Identity and Emotion, and thus, passively cause the destruction of Rationality and Logic. A Sylph enhances their aspect so much that they end up completely snuffing out their inverse aspect, which is very similar to what the Bard class does.

But AO, if both are supposed to fit, how do you tell which one you actually are?

Fall back on what an aspect is: Aspect is the force that is most important in a person's life, whether lacking or abundant, whether good or bad, whether they want it or not.

Now examine yourself, and be willing to be honest with yourself too. Which class holds what you struggle with the most?

For Sylphs, their challenge is to learn how to listen to the needs of others instead of assuming they know best, and to balance themselves by learning that it's okay to rely on others for their aspect sometimes.

For Bards, their challenge is to be able to embrace their aspect and not be ruled by its whims, learning to control the way it impacts themselves without letting it be destroyed.

As you can see, despite their similar actions, there is quite a difference in challenge and motivation! Though I will say, these are my class definitions, and class definitions can vary from classpector to classpector. At the very end of it all, only you can decide what fits and what doesn't. I hope I was able to help a little.

[ithinkdogshouldvote2]

I need the publics opinion:

[they2kguy]

Something I just made, beta and alpha kids godtier but inverted

[snowtimeisbesttime]

all classpect interpretations are equally canon- and this is why:

sburb/sgrub/sname is many things, but the first of those things we see is a computer game. said game's source code can be found in carvings in the frog temple, which comes from a Reckoning meteor; so each sthing version's code comes specifically from itself!

and considering every session we've seen has had an unique frog temple (beta kids: 4 land spires; beta trolls: two separate temples with 6 land spires each; alpha kids: 8 land spires, alpha trolls: at least one temple (with 12 land spires??), possibly located on beforus' moon), there's no reason to assume each and every temple's carvings are exactly the same…

therefore, two swhatever instances can have drastically different classpect definitions because they're running different versions of the game! for example, my own mirrorbent's sgame was compiled in a way where i won't have to go into too many specifics from their own, separate, 12 land spires temple (as opposed to being widely distributed like the beta kids' sburb), and classwise features active knights and passive pages, to pick an example that was recentlyish polled about.

of course, this mini theory thingy would be most applicable to fanventures, while most classpecting theory revolves about homestuck proper for obvious reasons. luckily, i've got some Key Insights about the canon classpects, just beyond this readmore:

get mutie'd lmao!!!!

413 zillion kitys attack!!!!

[despazito]

homestuck wouldve been so much cooler if even one of bladekindeyewear’s big theories turned out to be true

[time22kill]

your faves are NOT free!! heres dndads but homestuck

* i ate the gender alignments . the classes dont have genders anymore . also homestuck classes are different to dnd obviously bards in homestuck are wildly different to dnd bards ok anyway

[s1 dads]

darryl

- bard of rage

- prospit dreamer

-strife specibus: throwingaxekind . this is very specific they Have to be throwing axes .

henry

- heir of life

- derse dreamer

- strife specibus: staffkind , id say its a family heirloom (the one his dad fought with before . barry has a more powerful one now though)

glenn:

- knight of time

- derse dreamer

- strife specibus: guitarkind . "soren thats not a weapon" Guess the fuck what yes it is now . picture him fighting with a rlly cool guitar merged with an axe (from darryl) that he can use to TIME TRAVEL . (kinda like daves turntables but different)

ron:

- rogue of space

- prospit dreamer

- strife specibus: businesscardkind. i absolutely could give him a cooler better more fighty type of specibus but i think fighting with business cards is peak homestuck. also theres a char that fights with playing cards sooo uhh I Win nerd emoji

[kiddads]

grant:

- knight of doom

- prospit dreamer

- strife specibus: riflekind . What fucking else (if you saw the og version no you didnt stop lying)

lark:

- prince of blood

- derse dreamer

- strife specibus: clawglovekind . its like nepetas claws merged with a glove. also has a Gun .

sparrow:

-sylph of breath

- prospit dreamer

- strife specibus: also clawglovekind, has the other hand of the claw glove Thing . doesnt have any other weapon its Just that

nick:

- heir of void

- derse dreamer

- strife specibus: guitarbattleaxe kind . think battle axe of hatred p much . its glenns old guitar merged with a battleaxe but as he keeps leveling it up n shit its on fire and its So cool

terry jr:

- page of mind

- prospit dreamer

- strife specibus: pistolkind . crochet needles in the sylladex as a backup

[the teens]

lincoln:

- knight of hope

- prospit dreamer

- strife specibus: gunkind . he is Gun Person in the magical scenario .

normal:

- mage of blood

- derse dreamer

- strife specibus: staffkind!!!! it is the same henry and barry fought with but he doesnt know it

taylor:

- page of void

- prospit dreamer

- strife specibus: katanakind cuz What Else .!!!

scary:

- witch of doom

- derse dreamer

- strife specibus: pitchforkkind cuz i think its very fitting!! she can use it with her aspect too ,, she can use the bottom to direct doom energy to an enemy

hermie

- bard of heart

- derse dreamer

- stride specibus: needlekind . same needles he makes costumes with !!!

BONUS aka characters i classpected at random

willy: lord of doom . uses a fishing rod that does doom damage if it the hook hits u if that makes sense??

erin: witch of life. still unsure what shed use to fight though ......

paeden: thief of light . yes this is vriska classpect no i dont care

[brownievampx3]

Being a homestuck means making every person you hate the inverse of your classpect just out of spite.

[sporkdoesclasspect]

if you wanna help gather some actually interesting results please do reblog! or don't ig, i can't tell you what to do :p

[eternityservedcold]

lets find out tumblrs collective aspect! (part 3: class pairs)

the top 3 pairs will move on to the next poll! (its like this because it maxes out at 10 options)

in lieu of longer explanations, as canon is severely lacking in those, here is the wiki page for classes. you can find laconic ones for a refresher under the cut

WITCH

one who manipulates their aspect or manipulates through their aspect. this class is canonically considered "active"

examples: jade harley, feferi peixes, damara megido

HEIR

one who changes their aspect or changes through their aspect. this class is canonically considered "passive"

examples: john egbert, equius zahhak, mituna captor

MAGE

one who knows their aspect or knows with their aspect

examples: sollux captor, meulin leijon

SEER

one who invites knowledge of their aspect or invites knowledge with their aspect. this class is canonically considered "passive"

examples: rose lalonde, terezi pyrope, kankri vantas

KNIGHT

one who exploits their aspect or exploits with their aspect

examples: dave strider, karkat vantas, latula pyrope

PAGE

one who invites exploitation of or invites exploitation through their aspect

examples: jake english, tavros nitram, horuss zahhak

THIEF

one who steals their aspect or steals with their aspect. this class is canonically considered "active"

examples: vriska serket, meenah peixes

ROGUE

one who steals their aspect or steals with their aspect, and gives it to others. this class is canonically considered "passive"

examples: roxy lalonde, nepeta leijon, rufioh nitram

MAID

one who creates their aspect or creates with their aspect

examples: jane crocker, aradia megido, porrim maryam

SYLPH

one who heals their aspect or heals through their aspect

examples: kanaya maryam, aranea serket

PRINCE

one who destroys their aspect or destroys with their aspect. this class is canonically considered "active"

examples: dirk strider, eridan ampora, kurloz makara

BARD

one who invites destruction their aspect or invites destruction with their aspect. this class is canonically considered "passive"

examples: gamzee makara, cronus ampora

[tavtiers]

Alright then! How about classpecting the album "A Kiss for the Whole World" by Enter Shikari? (Though you already did two songs from it, i'm curious about the rest.)

This album proved difficult to classpect because every aspect dichotomy seemed to exist within it throughout the various songs. There's Space/Time in mentions of death and rebirth, Void/Light in truth versus lies, Breath/Blood in freedom and community, Life/Doom in overcoming oppressive misfortune, Mind/Heart in hypnotism and a lack of identity, and finally Hope/Rage in optimism and a willingness to fight back.

The overarching story appears to be one of pushing back against an oppressive, negative reality through optimism and perseverance. Positive emotion defines the protagonist's identity and allows them to break free from imprisonment in a blaze of glory. On the other side of things, this character is desperate. They feel they do not know who they are and may be forever trapped by situations out of their control. Halfway through the album they appear to suffer a significant crisis of identity.

The overall instrumental sound of the album is one of desperate triumph. It is joyous and chaotic.

Taking all of the above into account, I've decided that the protagonist of the album is likely a Rogue of Hope that becomes a Knight of Rage. Either they were meant to be a Rogue of Hope and inverted into a Knight of Rage during a moment of crisis, or, as most classpects do, they were destined to be a Knight of Rage and simply began their journey as their inverse.

At the start of the story, the main character comes across as an optimistic rebel, fighting for good against all odds. This is very much in line with the Rogue class, which steals their aspect with the goal of helping others. Likewise, they are fiery and driven by their positive emotions, with emphasis on concepts like: rebirth, truth, joyful community, and triumph. These concepts on their own come across as separate aspects, but together are Hope.

Halfway through the album, the story takes a darker shift, focusing on mental manipulation, despair, and fighting back even at the loss of your own identity. This to me rings of inversion, where the character is either discovering their true path or choosing to take a new one due to necessity. Their crisis is one of Heart/Mind, identity versus introspection. However, the character themself is not a Heart or Mind player. Rather, it seems the Heart/Mind within them is being influenced by an outside source. The antagonist of the story, the enemy that has put them in the situation they're fighting against, may be a Lord of Mind.

During this crisis of identity, the protagonist begins to act as a Knight of Rage. Throwing aside the mantle of the reckless rebel, they are instead the determined warrior, ready to make personal sacrifices to change the system they are trapped in. Again the themes of other aspects arise, this time coalescing to form the Rage aspect. Rebirth now means inversion into a new self, truth is rebellion against lies, freedom comes from violently breaking out of their chains, and a will to overcome is driven by their anger at injustice.

The story of this album could also be viewed as a Homestuck Sburb campaign, with the Rogue/Knight as the leader and the Lord of Mind the final boss, a Lord English equivalent. In this case, the Rogue/Knight would likely be in a romantic relationship with a Breath/Blood player, possibly a Maid of Blood. The Maid of Blood would specifically be the subject of the song "Dead Wood" and would be the character supplying the Breath themes in songs like "Leap into the Lightning".

Hope this helps! I will post the classpect card for the album shortly.

[red-elric]

ohhh finally figured out my preferred aspect pairs :) (adding this afrer finishing the post: THIS GOT LONG SORRY LOL)

UNIVERSE: space/time. space includes everything, all matter and beings and potential in a chaotic, disorderly mess; time provides a dimension of order and routine to make space meaningful. together they create the fabric of the universe, the backdrop to existence

COMMUNITY: blood/breath. blood includes all bonds between persons, all relationships and connections that establish community; breath provides the individuality and necessary disconnects to ensure the community is comprised of distinct individuals. together they create society, rights, individuality, relationships

SELF: heart/life. heart includes the soul, the intangible essence of what makes a person themselves, including all potential choices they could make and lives they could live; life provides the physical form through which the soul interacts with the world, the body that defines who they become. together they create people, lives, alternate selves

EMOTION: rage/hope. rage includes a wide range of emotion, created through complacency, such as anger, disatisfaction, depression, anything resulting from the inability to see a way forward; hope provides that path forward through trust, courage, high spirits. together they create the emotional range of people, the reactions that guide them

FATE: mind/doom. mind includes all possible choices and actions, all potential timelines and alternatives that people can choose between; doom provides the inevitable fate of what will come to pass due to the immutable laws of the universe and alpha timeline, the structure for which choices will persist. together they create the distinct paths and alternate timelines through which people can travel

FORTUNE: void/light. void includes the nothingness that is the majority of the universe, the high probability that things will happen randomly without regard for good or bad; light provides the small, undeniable chance that the most fortuitous outcome will occur, the goldilocks planet in the vast expanse of space, the lucky break that seems too good to be true. together they create probability, potential, the ineffable random chance on which many things still rely

btw I framed these pairs very specifically to further split them into two broader categories; chaos (what would exist without interference) and order (the interference that makes existence meaningful). the aspects split as follows:

CHAOS: space, blood, heart, rage, mind, void

ORDER: time, breath, life, hope, doom, light

connections can be drawn between chaos aspects and order aspects (and, in fact, they often are). you can also divide the aspects further into reality (the backdrop on which people live and interact with one another) and inhabitants (the people who live and interact with one another on the backdrop of reality), which draws a few more distinct connections. the split is as follows:

REALITY: space/time, mind/doom, void/light

INHABITANTS: blood/breath, heart/life, rage/hope

and in this division, we can see some pretty clear parallels in terms of relative scale, for three subcategories: everything (everywhere, all at once), alternatives (clearly defined options to choose from), singularity (highly specific, in the moment chance). these divisions are as follows:

EVERYTHING: space/time, blood/breath

ALTERNATIVES: mind/doom, heart/life

SINGULARITY: void/light, rage/hope

this is it for me tbh. ive ordered the aspects in a way that makes sense to me; they all fuckin tie together. theyre split into pairs that cannot exist without the other, while still maintaining the connections to other parallel aspects that you cant really ignore. and man.... each aspect has two others completely disconnected from it and check this out

space: life, hope

time: heart, rage

blood: doom, light

breath: mind, void

mind: breath, hope

doom: blood, rage

heart: time, light

life: space, void

void: breath, life

light: blood, heart

rage: time, doom

hope: space, mind

doesnt work for all of them but hey. a lot of those aspect groups are ones that belong to kids with pretty notable relationships. something there about the aspects drawing in energy they dont have...... idk ill stop lol. but the point is I get aspects now!!!

[aortaobservatory]

Because I have been absent, I think I'll post some thoughts I had about some specific classpects and their inverses.

These are classpects that belong to people I personally know.

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Page of Space (Thief of Time)

You don't have enough efficiency or a set goal in your life, so you take and adopt the goals others have for yourself, or simply follow in their footsteps without considering the value behind why their set goal is set. This is, of course, in your attempts to learn how to use and navigate the variation in your life, as well as engage with your creative drive.

Rogue of Breath (Knight of Blood)

You are good at gauging your relationships and the levels they're at to aid you in things like camaraderie or responsibilities. But you are absolutely incapable of letting yourself rely on the strength of other people's relationships with you. This means you'd just rather give them freedom instead; you give but never receive in return. This leads to relationships where you're often taken advantage of.

Maid of Breath (Prince of Blood)

Your freedom comes from a need to control your own responsibilities and relationships, but because you've yet to figure out how to define freedom for yourself, your control over your responsibilities and relationships is beyond your grasp. You strive constantly to purify the meaning of freedom imposed upon you by others, and one of the ways you've found works involves destroying, or encouraging the destruction of, the responsibilities and relationships of others.

Thief of Blood (Page of Breath)

You crave responsibilities, relationships, and the camaraderie of others, but you don't know how to place proper value on it, so the ones you do have are taken and shallow. Your attempts to dig deeper and make them mean something come from your attempts to use and navigate your own freedom and individuality. You were trapped before, and now you don't know how to be free.

Seer of Light (Witch of Void)

Secrets drive you. You have been surrounded by secrets your whole life, so much so that you cannot help but be made of them too. You exist to crack open all the secrets you possibly can, because knowledge has always been withheld from you, and you only know how to study through the lens of what is unknown to you, rather than what is already known by others. You change the lens through which you study, but it is always unknown. You change what is secret and bring it to light through the studies of nobody else except for yourself. You know what you know because you change the unknown and you do not let anybody else do it for you.

[fgrobichiko]

Just remembering how, during the buildup to the original HS finale, I had a theory that the green sun essentially contained Earth C, a world combining alternia and earth, and I told this to one of the biggest theorists in the fandom.

They were certain that the comic was going to end with something much more to do with classpects - the "kanaya sews the universe back together" theory was a big one at the time, despite the fact LE was already ramping up - and they were like "well what would be the point? Just a new way to get to earth and alternia via time travel?"

I didn't get it perfectly right, but it's just funny how people get stuck in the minutia when huge onscreen events are unfolding in an obviously predictable manner. That's a pretty good lesson for fandom in general - the theorising is fun and all, but when something is clearly building up, it's better to go with it than expect it to be a twist. Either it goes exactly as it seems, and you don't feel lied to for believing your own hype, or there IS a twist, and you get to be surprised.

Fandom Theorising is fun, but don't let it ruin the thing you're a fan of. You joined in to see where it would go. Don't be surprised when you're still finding out right up to the end.