#But some people still say he's a shallow character and hate on him just because of TimKon šŸ˜­šŸ‘
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nightwolf14292 Ā· 2 months ago
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As much as I love TimKon, I prefer TimBern and it's mainly because of this:
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ā€œBernard says I sacrifice myself like it's a bad thing.ā€
ā€œBut it's all I've ever known.ā€
ā€œAll that my family has ever been taught.ā€
Tim, out of all of the BatFamily members is the one that never really had a choice.
Bruce had a choice to become Batman. He almost retired, until things went badly again and he realized how much more awful Gotham would be if he did.
Dick had a choice to become Robin. When Bruce fired him he could've finished college and lived a normal life, but he chose to continue on as Nightwing.
Jason had a choice to become Robin. And while his mind had been messed with after being dunked in the Lazarus Pit, he had a choice to become Red Hood, too.
Damian had a choice to become Robin. He fought hard for the role, and seems to genuinely enjoy doing it.
Tim didn't have a choice to become Robin. Yes, no one actually forced him into the role, but he saw what had happened to Bruce after Jason's death (such as how he became more violent), and knew that Bruce needed a Robin to keep himself sane. He tried going to Dick, but Dick said the best he could do was help as Nightwing as he wasn't willing to be Robin again. So Tim felt like he had to take up the role, because Batman, his greatest hero, would lose it if he didn't.
Tim also didn't have a choice to give up being a vigilante, unlike the others. When he got replaced as Robin, Bruce was trapped in time and everyone but him thought he was dead. He didn't have Dick's experience of going out soul searching and deciding that being a hero was what he wanted in life, he had to almost immediately take up a new secret identity and start going on missions so he could find out what happened to Bruce.
I love TimBern so much, because Bernard is Tim's connection to civilian life. If you're a hero dating a hero, even when you're being civilians and doing civilian things, there's always going to be the knowledge of who you both are really, and the missions you've been on together (Such as Tim looking at Kon and remembering things like when he tried to clone him because he was ā€˜deadā€™). I feel like with Bernard, Tim can be a full on civilian and forget about the hero life for a while, and that makes it special.
Also I just think Bernard is neat :3
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hecksupremechips Ā· 8 months ago
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Girl like. The reason he said "this is how it should be" and faced death with a smile....is cuz he wanted to die. For 2 years he sat there thinking he was worthless and deserved to die. If he hadnā€™t be shot, his death wouldā€™ve been suicide, he was fully planning to die in a gutter somewhere undetected. When saying "this is how it should be" hes literally saying "donā€™t cry because Iā€™m dying, my death is a good thing actually because I fucking suck and you are better off without me". I donā€™t think thatā€™s badass even slightly, itā€™s actually really sad and really shitty. Shinjiro is so convinced that he deserves to die and hates the idea of anyone giving a shit about him because he literally canā€™t wrap his mind around the idea that he will be missed when heā€™s gone, that his death is a bad thing actually. And his last words were meant to be comforting because he fully did not intend for anyone to be there when he died, he intended to die alone, so he says them as a reminder that heā€™s not worth crying over
Personally, if it were me, if I was holding my dying best friend in my arms who was deeply depressed and suicidal and he said "this is how it should be" uh. I wouldnā€™t admire him for it??? Like am I losing my mind when I say the way this game handles Shinji is bad or is anyone else seeing this too šŸ˜°
#its like okay listen i understand the basic math of any persona game they say things and everything they say is actually#very bad when you think about it for more than 3 seconds#like what theyre intending to do with the death of this character is be like oh no your sad friend dies tragically thats so saddddd#but that doesnt mean you cant live a wonderful life full of meaning you cant let grief consume you life is beautiful awagga#and i guess shinji is a specific character whos used cuz i guess its more tragic that he never realized he was worthy of life and shit#and i guess its also like ā€˜dont be like this guy who let grief consume him and then died you gotta Be Differentā€™#which i dont. love. that last part cuz if you think about shinji and what led him down this road#its like. of course hes depressed! he accidentally killed a woman with a child when he was 16!#he himself is an orphan and he just made some other kid an orphan as well and it happened cuz his persona went out of control#which very much can translate to ā€˜this must mean im dangerous and can hurt everyone if im not kept under controlā€™#so of course he isolated himself and believed he was evil and became suicidal like who wouldnt feel that way#like am i supposed to be mad he left sees and took drugs cuz uh while i dont think isolation or Evil Drug is good for his mental health#i dont think him continuing to fight in sees is something he can just easily do again given how he killed someone like he shouldnt have to#be a part of this thing anymore like how would he even safely get castor to not do that??? he cant kill more people on accident!#so yeah like using shinji as an example of bad coping mechanisms is already just. a big fucking oof to me like it just feels like the game#is saying he shouldve gotten over it and simply not be suicidal and stayed on the team. idk if thats the intent but uh it wouldnt faze me#cuz persona games are notoriously awful at writing characters who are traumatized and abused#but what makes everything even worse is how the game kinda like. acts like shinjis death is a stepping stone#like weā€™re supposed to use it as a wake up call and understand the stakes but keep going on anyways#and akihiko and Ken get. ā€˜great character developmentā€™ according to the game telling you they have now developed#but damn all akihiko is is just repressed he cries for 3 seconds and then is like I SHOULD MAN UP and then neglects a depressed child#shinjis dying words are words to live by now even though they piss me the fuck off like girl am i crazy HES FUCKING#HES TELLING ME NOT TO CRY OVER HIM BECAUSE HE SHOULD BE DEAD ACTUALLY AND THIS IS A GOOD THING ACTUALLY#like if the game wants us to still find meaning in life despite losing someone it just really hurts that shinji has to die for that to work#apparently. cuz the character i see myself in is shinji. not some perfect prettyboy who does everything perfectly and has 4 gfs#his death seems like a punishment for bad behavior. the bad behavior being of course depression and drug use. and im simply supposed to be#better than that if i want to live. and we dont get to form a connection with him cuz thats gayyyyy#and his death is like a NOBLE HEROIC SACRIFICE idk its just such bullshit to me i hate it so bad#how is killing a suicidal guy and then treating it as admirable that he said ā€˜this is how it should beā€™ supposed to make me feel#makes me feel sick personally and it ruins the entire gameā€™s theme to me because its fucking shallow and the story is bad and im tired
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crystallinestars Ā· 9 months ago
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Taking Care of Them
Short scenarios about Argenti, Aventurine, and Jing Yuan receiving much-needed care and comfort from you. Pure fluff, a little hurt/comfort for Aventurine's part.
I took some creative liberties with Aventurine's character since we still don't know everything about him yet, so this is simply my interpretation of him.
This isn't proofread because my brain is fried from writing.
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šŸŒ¹ Argenti:
As a Knight of Beauty, Argenti is a highly skilled fighter who puts his very life on the line to vanquish his foes. Usually, he defeats his enemies with grace and style, but even the refined Argenti sometimes sustains injuries.
In his most recent battle, Argenti made it out practically unscathed, save for a few scrapes and bruises that marred his handsome face. That was how he found himself obediently sitting on your bed while you treated his wounds.
ā€œI apologize that you have to see me in this state,ā€ he murmurs, guilt darkening his expression. ā€œI did not want to cause you worry.ā€
ā€œNo need to apologize,ā€ you brush off his concerns with a smile. ā€œNow turn this way. Iā€™ll clean the scratch on your cheek,ā€ you said as you gently turn Argentiā€™s face to one side to reveal the shallow, red gash on his cheek.
Argenti complies without hesitance and sits perfectly still as you dab at the scratch with a cotton ball soaked in alcohol. It stings, but the Knight of Beauty unflinchingly tolerates the burn with a small smile on his face.
He can tell through the delicate and careful way you clean and dress his wounds that you care a great deal about him. Your touches were gentle so as to not cause him unnecessary pain, yet no less thorough. It felt nice to be touched so tenderly, to be cared for in such a loving manner.
Your heart is beautiful, he thinks. To possess such a caring and loving heart, you must rival the beauty of his beloved Aeon Idrila. Argenti truly believes that you are a wonderful and beautiful person, both inside and out.
As you finish patching up the last wound and pack away your first aid kit, Argenti turns to you and gives you a radiant, sincere smile from the heart.
ā€œThank youā€¦ā€ he softly says as gently takes one of your hands and kisses the back of it, ā€œYou have a dazzling heartā€”so pure and gentle. I feel like the luckiest man in the universe to have the privilege of receiving your care and affection.ā€
His words may sound over-the-top and perhaps even fake, but he truly means them. Every single one. Even if you donā€™t entirely believe him, the amused smile that his flamboyant phrases elicit out of you is all the reason he needs to keep them up.
ā€œYouā€™re welcome. Just try to be more careful next time. Iā€™ll love you no matter how you look, but I hate seeing you hurt,ā€ you murmur in reply and lean in to kiss the band-aid on his cheek.
ā€œThere. A kiss to make it all better,ā€ you giggle as you pull away.
The little gesture catches Argenti by surprise, but he canā€™t say he didnā€™t like it. In fact, he enjoyed it more than he ever thought he would.
With a small chuckle, he pulls you close to kiss you fully on the lips. If you donā€™t take his word for it that he feels incredibly lucky to have your love, then perhaps his actions will convey the sincerity of his feelings for you.
šŸ¦š Aventurine:
All his life, Aventurine has faced hate. Hate for being Sigonian, hate for being a dog of the IPC, hate for acting exactly the way thatā€™s expected of his kind. He played into peopleā€™s perceptions of him. Why waste time trying to correct their views when they wonā€™t change? Itā€™s easier to just act according to their expectations and hide who he really is behind this playful and sly mask.
Only with you does he let his carefully crafted faƧade crumble to reveal his vulnerable self.
Aventurine is very good at acting like everything is fine when the world is against him. Perhaps to an extent, he truly believes that life is all about fighting battles on his lonesome. He can use others and get used as a tool in return, but the only one he can trust is himself. Itā€™s the only life heā€™s ever known.
However, youā€™ve known him long enough to tell that the hate and isolation get to him, no matter how much he pretends that they donā€™t. When he comes home one night after a particularly awful day, it doesnā€™t take long for you to figure out that he feels down.
Aventurine smiled and teased you like usual, but he spoke less and clung to you more than usual. He hugged you from behind and kept an arm around you no matter what you were trying to do, almost as if he was seeking comfort from your physical presence.
Turning to face him, you glance into his tired eyes.
ā€œWhat is it, darling? See something you like?ā€ he teased, the corner of his mouth tugging into a smirk.
ā€œHmm, no,ā€ you hummed. Extending your arms forward, you wrapped them around Aventurine and slowly pulled him into a hug. ā€œI donā€™t see something I like.ā€
Aventurine is momentarily stunned by your unprompted action, but he quickly recovers.
ā€œOh? How come? Am I not appealing enough for you?ā€ he quipped, resting his chin on your shoulder and returning your hug. Unlike your tight hug, his arms wrapped around you in a loose hold, as if he was uncertain how to go about it.
ā€œQuite the opposite,ā€ you softly chuckle, ā€œI donā€™t see something I like, but I do see someone I love,ā€ you whisper and turn your head to look directly at Aventurineā€™s face.
A beat of silence passes as Aventurine processes your words, before bursting out laughing.
ā€œThat was painfully corny, even for you!ā€ he chuckled.
You scoff but donā€™t say anything in response, simply continuing to hug him tightly. Slowly, carefully, you card your fingers through his blond hair before moving lower to stroke your palm along his spine in soothing circles.
Aventurineā€™s laughter dies down, his initial mirth now replaced with something fragile and vulnerable as he falls quiet. He wonā€™t ever share what burdens him, but you donā€™t need to know the details to provide him comfort. If he doesnā€™t want to tell you, then you wonā€™t pry. At the very least, youā€™ll do all you can to support him and remind him that heā€™s not alone.
Being wrapped up in your warm embrace, feeling your gentle caressesā€”it all felt unfamiliar to Aventurine. Itā€™s been so long since he felt the tender and loving affection of another person. It took a while, but eventually he relaxed and allowed himself to lean into your body, burying his nose into the crook of your neck.
Silence lingered in the air, but it wasnā€™t uncomfortable. There was something soothing in not having to talk. It was freeing to not worry about pretending to be okay or be pressured to talk about the things that trouble him.
That hugā€”that simple act of human affectionā€”made him feel safe and protected in your arms. When you leaned back slightly to plant a tender kiss on Aventurineā€™s forehead, something inside him snapped and he had to hold back tears. Burying his face deeper into the crook of your neck, he clung tightly to you while you continued to rub slow circles along his back.
ā€œItā€™s okay. Itā€™ll all be okay, Iā€™m here. Youā€™re not aloneā€¦ā€ you whisper, hugging him tighter.
Being wrapped up in your warm hug, feeling your affectionate kisses and gentle words is something Aventurine never knew he needed until now. Just for this moment, he lets his walls come down and bares his wounded self to you with the hope that you can soothe his pain if only a little.
And you do. With whispered reassurances and loving caresses, you ease his hurt, even if just temporarily. He is safe, you promise. He will always be safe in your arms.
šŸ¦ Jing Yuan:
Jing Yuan is notorious for disliking the abundance of paperwork and other leadership tasks he has to take care of on a day-to-day basis as a General of the Xianzhou Luofu. Despite his woeful sighs about how tedious it is, and how the work never seems to end, Jing Yuan still accomplishes all his duties in a timely and precise fashion.
Jing Yuan is a hard worker, you are well aware of that. Which is why when he snuck out of the Seat of Divine Foresight to come spend some free time with you, you offered him to rest on your lap. And who was he to turn down such a tempting opportunity?
Sitting outside on the veranda with Jing Yuanā€™s head resting on your lap, you softly ran your fingers through his fluffy, white hair, marveling at how silky it was. It was as soft as it looked.
ā€œI could get used to this,ā€ Jing Yuan said with a sigh, relaxing into our touch. His golden eyes were closed as he enjoyed the sensations of your fingers combing through his hair, gently massaging his scalp and soothing any tension he felt.
Chuckling, you looked down at him, mirth dancing in your eyes.
ā€œReally? I wouldnā€™t mind having you as my lap cat like this more often. Why not come see me every day and get pets?ā€ you tease him as you lightly poke his cheek.
Jing Yuan cracks open one eye to give you an amused look.
ā€œBeing your lap cat sounds like a wonderful idea,ā€ he sighs, ā€œLaying on your lap and getting pampered sounds like my ideal life.ā€
Both of you burst out laughing at the ridiculous notion of Jing Yuan being a lap cat, your spirits lifting as the mood brightened even more.
ā€œAh, but if you ever want to take a break and relax, youā€™re always welcome to see me,ā€ you say in a softer voice this time, resuming running your fingers through his tresses.
ā€œIā€™ll keep your invitation in mind,ā€ he replied, his voice dropping an octave as he relaxed into your touch once more.
The minutes pass in a comfortable and serene atmosphere, with you pampering Jing Yuan with affectionate caresses, meanwhile, the man listens to you talk about your day. You both knew that after this he would have to go back and complete the mountain of work waiting for him, but for now, you were content to spend this little bit of time with your beloved.
Under the warm sun and gentle breeze, with his head resting comfortably on your lap, Jing Yuan felt himself growing drowsy. His eyelids became heavier, and his body didnā€™t want to move from his position on your lap.
Noticing the General grow sleepy, you fought the urge to tease him. If you pointed out his sleepiness, he would most likely apologize and put a stop to this tranquil moment by getting up and heading back to work. He already saw you less than either of you wanted, simply because work kept him busy. Moments like these were a luxury.
Keeping quiet, you gently massage his scalp until his breaths even out and become deeper, seeming to have fallen asleep. His expression looked so serene and vulnerable, something that very few people have had the chance to witness. As his lover, you were privy to this sight more than most. You watch over him with a small smile on your face, gently tucking away a stray strand of his hair.
Thinking he was asleep, you lean down to press a lingering kiss to his forehead, but as you straighten, you notice Jing Yuan peering up at you with an amused glint in his eyes.
Growing flustered, you quickly look away, feeling your cheeks heat up with a blush.
Jing Yuan only laughs in response, but his laughter quickly turns into a contented purr as you shut him up with another head massage. Whatever teasing remark he had prepared, immediately died on his tongue as relaxation washed over him and he felt sleep take hold of his mind again.
ā€œItā€™s ok, take a nap. Iā€™ll wake you up in a few minutes,ā€ you murmur, willing Jing Yuan to finally get some rest. You could tell he wanted to protest, but with a light brush of your thumbs over his temples, he released a sigh of defeat and conceded.
ā€œYou certainly know how to take advantage of my weaknesses,ā€ he chuckled, voice a little hoarse from drowsiness.
Despite his initial reluctance, Jing Yuan fell asleep fairly quickly. The continuous days of endless work had left him exhausted, but your tender pampering and sweet company were just the respite he needed.
ā€œSleep tight,ā€ you whisper, gracing him with another sweet kiss on his forehead.
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raven-at-the-writing-desk Ā· 9 days ago
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wake up and smell the ozone, guys
[Ā Sebek and internalized racismĀ /Ā Sebek and his place in the Diasomnia found familyĀ /Ā Sebek and his capacity to loveĀ / Sebek and the love of literature ]
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wake up Wake Up WAKE UP
DO YOU REALIZE WHAT'S GOING ON??? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? BECAUSE I'LL TELL YOU, I'LL TELL YOIU WHAT 'S GOING O N
Do you remember... Lilia's farewell party????? In 7-34, he takes us aside and says this: "Then if you truly wish to repay me, would you indulge a little request of mine? There's a freshman in our dorm, Sebek Zigvolt... It's been half a year since he started here, but I have yet to see him make any friends in the freshmen class. [...] I wouldn't ask [you to be friends with him]. Just... If you notice he's ever stuck at some point during your time here... I would ask that you card soldiers give him a little nudge."
When Sebek runs over shortly after with berry juice for Lilia, Lilia invites him to toast with his fellow first years (Ortho included): "These people will be your rivals and classmates until you graduate. You should take this chance to bond with some students from other dorms."
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Of course, Sebek adamantly refuses to do so at that point in the story. "While I appreciate your consideration, I haven't the slightest intention of being friendly with these shallow people. [...] I already have more than enough training partners between Silver and our fellow Diasomnia students. Feeble humans are naught by deadweight! There's no need to be chummy with them!"
We are now well into book 7's Heartslabyul update and it is only now that I realize WE'RE FULFILLING LILIA'S REQUEST FROM ALL THE WAY BACK THEN IN 7-34.
Firstly, Sebek is already having his entire worldview shaken because he is exposed to the terror hie liege, his idol, Malleus, has brought about. The person he dedicated his life to and worked so hard to better himself for is misusing his powers to force his will upon others, including his own retainers. And then Sebek is given a taste of his own medicine when he meets a younger version of his grandfather in Lilia's dream. Baur calls his own grandson "human" and acts suspiciously towards him because of Sebek's race (refusing to trust him, refusing to eat food he prepared, etc.). Sebek, who is hateful and others non-fae, is now the one receiving hate and being othered by the grandfather that he loves and admires. He is experiencing the discomfort with being the target of the behaviors that he himself engages in irl. These two events are challenging Sebek's beliefs and how he sees the world. He's being forced to recognize that Malleus isn't perfect, and how it feels to be persecuted and rejected on the basis of one's race.
Sebek is taken aback by the attitude of dream!Baur and doesn't exactly know how to react (though he continues to act in ways to try and earn his grandfather's praise). Silver has to intervene and remind Sebek that, in real life, Baur doesn't despise him and to not let this get to him--but it's clear that this experience still bothers Sebek, as he grumpily responds with the usual DONT BELITTLE ME, OF COURSE I KNOW THAT tsundere response. Many of the other events Sebek experiences in Lilia's dream also call into question the nature of racial relationships, and, at times, puts Sebek in the shoes of the one defending the partnership between humans and fae. For example, some Silver Owls demand to know why we're siding with the fae, and Sebek declares back that whether human or fae, it doesn't matter because at the end of the day, they fight against those with bad intentions.
When we finally transition into the dream hopping segment of book 7, I noticed that Sebek has very targeted interactions with specifically the first-year characters--the very same group that Lilia asked to help him out if he ever gets stuck. For example:
Sebek spends a prolonged period of time in Lilia's dream with Silver (a human he does like), Yuu, and Grim (two newcomers that he has to get adjusted to). Together with them, he unravels an unspoken about part of his country's history. It's kind of like traumabonding/j
Sebek relies on the technomantic support of Idia and especially Ortho (who helps them navigate to new dreams in combination with Silver's UM). He has to acknowledge that this is a specialty of Ignihyde and not something that he, a student of Diasomnia and a first year, could achieve on his own. It humbles Sebek and forces him to depend on others instead of trying to brute force the task by himself. He's physically INCAPABLE of doing so.
In Epel's dream, he appears very tall and muscular. However, Sebek chides Epel and recalls that, at Lilia's farewell party, Epel was praising Lilia because although Lilia has a similarly small stature, he never once failed to be at Malleus's side. Back then, Lilia had told Epel that physical prowess has nothing to do with a mage's strength. Later on, Sebek even praises Epel's style of fighting despite Epel being a first year. Moreover, Epel has a 70-80% success rate at casting his UM--which shocks Sebek, who has not yet mastered his own. Here, he is learning that humans that present as small and weak can actually be formidable fighters with skill that surpasses his own. This is notable because Sebek often pushes himself to train hard physically and mentally to be the best possible retainer and may have insecurities about being a magical late bloomer.
In Jack's dream, Sebek makes a big fuss about the injustices Diasomnia suffered back in book 2 due to Savanaclaw's nasty plot. He makes it clear that he won't forgive them even now--but then Jack says it's understandable given that his dorm members were playing so dirty. Sebek expresses surprise that "there are people like Jack" in Savanaclaw. He's acknowledging that even in a dormitory that Sebek had previously pegged as all underhanded ruffians, there are people who have a moral compass and go against the grain. After all, Jack was the whistleblower in that incident and still to this day realizes their actions were wrong. This shows Sebek that not all members belonging to a group are the same.
In Deuce's dream, Sebek and Deuce bond over books. Deuce shares happy memories that he has with a popular children's book from the Queendom, and this inspires Sebek to want to read the book irl. He also suggests that Deuce pick out or recommend a book for Yuu and Grim, which is similar to what Sebek does for his own loved ones (like Silver). Here, he is sharing his interests with a non-fae in a sort of cultural exchange.
So if that's the case... Iā€™m anticipating an interaction between Sebek and Ace that brings this full circle in Aceā€™s dream šŸ‘ļø or at least before the end of book 7!! I'll be keeping my eyes peeled for that!
I know I've critiqued the pacing of book 7 a lot (particularly when it comes to the dream segments), but I find it really ironic that, of all characters, Sebek is the one with the most spread-out character arc... Lilia's and Silver's arcs were mainly crammed into Lilia's dream, we haven't seen Malleus for several tends of chapters now (so he only ends up being present in the beginning and end of the book), and then you have Sebek pacing himself in this marathon šŸ¤” even though Sebek is also the one in Diasomnia that's the most in a rush to "grow up" and "be better" (so much so that even his UM is associated with wanting to quickly rush to someone and/or to be immediately stronger).
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the-sinful-voice-witch Ā· 1 month ago
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Crimes against Stephanie Brown:
Getting only 24 issues of her run as Batgirl. I wish she had more, after all isn't Cass getting now a new run as Batgirl again?
Not appearing at the boy wonder comic when it was specifically Robins related and instead they put Barbara as Batgirl (like if you wanted a Batgirl use the fucking Batgirl who used to be a Robin).
Not being included at birds of prey with Cass and Babs.
Getting 2 heroes team projects with her included rejected. (In one she was with Supergirl and Damian, denying us that is a hate crime)
Not appearing in Damian's drawing of people who loves him when she is canonically the first big sister figure he had and she helped him be a kid and have fun.
Getting her character denigrated by Tim's bisexual actions like: dumping her without giving her a reason or having a proper talk, ghosting her for months, only talk to her after their friends force him to do it and then without warning or asking her introducing his new boyfriend to her and make her react like a fujoshi 13 years old wattpad writter saying that "the best day ever" Is meeting her ex' new boyfriend in the most cringe way ever.
The time they tried to erase her time as Robin and Batgirl in the new 52 reboot
Only let her be Robin for 2 months and was fired for doing something every Robin has done more than once.
Dying so fast in DCeased when she became Damian's Robin and never coming back even after Taliah said she would use the Lazarus pit on her.
Not having a visual reaction of Selina, Cassandra, Dick and Babs to her being alive.
Jason not mentioning her to rub it on Batman's face when he came back to life for revenge or mentioning her to black mask, what a wasted opportunity!
Never had the realistic representation of the trauma she should have after being tortured by black mask.
Never hanging out properly again with huntress (well I think they were seen together again once but not enough), Supergirl, Black Canary or Green Arrow junior after the reboot.
The fact that in my opinion she never got a proper apology from all the people that wronged her and treated her badly, like a lesser fighter, like she was a bother, like she wasn't made for vigilante life, I think I saw Tim apologizing to her but it felt shallow.
Not showing us Tim visually crying for her death.
Completely ignore how was her very first interaction with Catwoman, in which Selina was extremely kind and sweet with her only to screw it in the second meeting in her run as Batgirl and later in the new 52 reboot making Selina be a jerk to her.
Making Alfred be cold and dry to her in their first interaction, yes he later cries on her death and then he is very happy when she comes back and later he stands up to her against Batman's stupid tests but it doesn't erase the fact that he was mean to her when he met her and I think that was out of character with Alfred.
Her teen pregnancy arc, some people might think this was a way to make her character more tragic and deep but that pregnancy arc didn't bring anything good to her character because it was all about Tim not her and it makes my blood boil. This arc was just a cheap "easy" Way to make Tim and Steph become closer in their relationship by making Tim be there for her and taking care of her even though he wasn't the father and help her and that and I suppose it was also to make more dramatic her death telling Batman that she had a daughter and Batman be all like: "I'll make sure the baby never has to ask for anything" And then Steph dies... Seriously this is the one thing I wish they could erase from canon FOREVER, making Steph go through that just to make her deepen her relationship with Tim only for getting killed off and eventually dumped with everything she already had on her plate was CRIMINAL
Jason not meeting her properly before the stupid new 52 reboot and still not having the trauma and dead Robin talk with her.
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alygator77 Ā· 3 months ago
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alright, now that I have sat on this ending a bit Iā€™d like to express my frustrations with this mangaā€”this is entirely my own opinion, you have every right to disagree with me if you do, just please be respectful.
spoilers ahead.
itā€™s justā€¦ what was the pointā€¦the theme of JJK? can anyone please tell me? like honestly, I would really like to know what you think it was, because I feel like there were so many plot points that were introduced, and they led no where.
lookā€”as a new writer I know it ainā€™t easy, I am still a novice and Iā€™m not trying to completely disrespect geges writing. obviously there are some things he did right, otherwise this manga wouldnā€™t have gotten as popular as it didā€”Iā€™m just so disappointed that this story feels soā€¦ empty. Itā€™s shallow. Itā€™s action with shock valueā€”that is all this manga is to me, because everything gege built up to amounted to nothing.
the story starts with yuji talking about ā€œproper deaths.ā€ lol. lord the fucking irony. yet, satoru doesnā€™t get a proper burial. lookā€¦ death is a big thing in Japan. they dedicate literal shrines to their loved ones. the disrespect for satoru as a character is so disgusting to me. we see yuji preemptively ā€œmournā€ him in a flashbackā€”but not when the guy is actually dead?
this is not how real people areā€”real people mourn death. I understand everyone grieves differentlyā€”hell, yuji felt weird mourning his grandpa in the beginning, but youā€™re telling me no one gives a fuck? no ones gonna say anything? talk about how heā€™s gone? what he sacrificed? yuta got out of his body andā€¦thatā€™s it? we donā€™t know where tf it is or what happened to it.
nobara mourned yuji when she thought he was dead back in the beginning, and she barely knew him thenā€”so what, everyone just hates satoru? the guy that literally cared so much for his students? the guy that was willing to completely overthrow a system just for yuta and yuji because he cared so much for their youth, their happiness?and yet, even they donā€™t acknowledge his death?
there were multiple chapters that just ended on some sort of cliff hanger or introduced a new side plotā€”giving the readers something to keep them interested, only for it to amount to nothing. yuta in gojos bodyā€”what was the fucking point of that? It accomplished nothing. It was just shock value. what was the point of these last 3 chapters?
look I donā€™t hate angst, and Iā€™m all for tragic charactersā€”satoru is definitely a tragic characterā€”but god, there is also some tact in handling it. his character is amazing, yet the way he was executed in the end is just so fucking sad. especially considering heā€™s one of the most beloved characters in the fandom. this literally felt like a big ā€œfuck youā€ to us satoru fans.
I could literally write an entire book about how unhappy I am so Iā€™ll just stop thereā€¦
Iā€™m so upset.
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cursedcatchild Ā· 4 months ago
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Ok, so I watched TOTTMNT and I am here to rant. Also, SPOILERS ahead!
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So First of all, if I had to sum up my thoughts into a single sentence it would be: For the love of God, put those turtles back together, where they belong!!
I didnā€™t hate the show, but I didnā€™t come to like it either. And no, I did not have any prejudgment just because it was a new iteration. Honestly I was super hyped for this version, because the movie was a blast. Yea, I ended up being disappointed. But let me just elaborate on that:
First letā€™s take a look at our turtles from worst to best in my opinion.
Mikey:
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Yepp, ladies and gentlemen so far I have never seen a single iteration where I didnā€™t come to like a Mikey. Heā€™s always among my favs. But this version felt super shallow. He had just as much screen time in the series as his brothers and yet I still have no idea who this guy really is. His jokes were lame not really landing, I couldnā€™t really point out any particular goal or insecurity that anyone could relate to. Also, the guy is super oblivious. Like he took ten minutes to realize he walked into a robbery when he went for groceries. Heck he was having a casual conversation with the robbers.Ā 
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Leo:Ā 
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Another kinda shallow guy. Sure we seen a bit of insecurity, he literally quoted Rise Leo saying ā€œ Iā€™m nothing without them!ā€ but it felt irreal. Because Rise Leo had a reason to think that, he wasnā€™t as much of a functional member of the team and he was always taken for jokes. But right from the beginning of TOTTMNT we see Tales Leo commanding his brothers, they listen to himĀ  and even say it multiple times how planning is Leoā€™s thing. So at this point this Leo is just fucking blind. ( Also April slaps instant self confidence into the boy.)Ā 
Raph:
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Ok, this is also the first time, but I never really took a liking to a Raph before Tales Raph. Boy is filled with anger and sass, yet heā€™s not coming off as a total jerk like 2012 Raph. And of course he's not a super softie like Rise Raph ( I donā€™t hate Rise Raph for being a softie, he's my second favorite Raph) either. He had some fun pipe up and overall a personality I got. I think heā€™s the most perfect Raph I have ever seen.Ā 
Donnie:
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The best character of the iteration in my humble opinion. He was relatable, funny, honestly he was stealing Mikeyā€™s job as the comic relief, but at the same time heā€™s the smart guy. The boy is ranting about not being the IT guy and then goes reprogramming an evil robot. Oh and he saved so many lifes, because he stopped a fucking train crash. Heā€™s epic, I swear.
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(My fave screenshot ever šŸ¤£šŸ¤£)
Now story wise:
šŸ”„What the fuck was this dumpster fire?! šŸ”„Who thought splitting up the turtles would be fine?! šŸ˜‘Especially in a 12 episode season? Look, I don't mind solo or duo time. There were plenty of good ones, for example Rise. I adored the Mikey vs Leo cook off episode or the Gumbus one, but for the sake of my sanity Rise had twice as many episodes and the turtles were not split up for the majority of the story.
Like I'm not joking when I say they were together in 4 episodes intotal.šŸ˜ØšŸ˜Ø
Now I heard rumors left and right that the fact that they need to make a show was thrown at the team at the last minute ( IDK how true is that) , but goodness gracious even if I was presented with the task with a ā€œ Due tomorrow labelā€ I could still write a better story. Especially with the goldmine what the writers decided to ignore.
Yes, something that would've made TOTTMNT be really uniqueā€¦.. School people! We were promised that we will explore the turtles from the teenage side. Ummmā€¦.Hate to break it to ya all but I think there is no better way to do that than putting them into school.
It wouldā€™ve been fire to see them trying to fit in, balancing all the cool hero stuff with school life, maybe wrecking the school, seeing how other teenangers adjust to the fact that now giant talking turtles are their classmates. It wouldnā€™t be some crazy mind blowing plot, but I swear it would've been amazing.
Now donā€™t misunderstand me. Despite the story feeling like being all over the place it wasnā€™t that super bad, but Iā€™m pissed that it could've been better with ease.
Also another thing that bugged me, is the feeling of something missing. IDK if anyone else who watched it felt like this, but I legit felt like if we just grabbed the for example farm arc from 2012 TMNT and aired it as season 1. The fact that the turtles were split and they kept mentioning that they have always been fighting together made me feel like I shouldā€™ve seen them do that.
Anyways, If I did not take your will to watch it away, go and check it out. It's not horrible but not great either. Iā€™m disappointed and I'm gonna need Rise back, thank you very much!
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alittlebitofloveliness Ā· 3 months ago
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Misogyny in the fandom: let's talk about it
Not gonna lie, the level of interalized or even just blatant misogyny in this fandom is really disheartening sometimes. There is already VERY few female characters in the book, even fewer with speaking roles, and yet I see all of them being hated on in some way. People hate on Cherry for standing up for herself when Dally was harrasing her, and for not seeing Johnny in the hospital, which bullshit to begin with but also, you can't tell me that if the roles were reversed and Cherry sat down behind Dallas and starting talking about how stupid and classless greaser boys are, and Dally threw a coke at her, that the fandom wouldn't love him all the more for it. People hold her to this impossible golden standard, expecting her to literally be perfect instead of a conflicted and grieving teenage girl, when they embrace the flaws and give a lot more grace to much more violent and 'bad' male characters. It's a very 'boys will be boys' and 'girls mature fatser so they should know better' double standard that I really can't stand. Marcia gets a level of the same treatment, with people occasionally calling her vapid or shallow when the book makes it clear she and Two-bit actually really hit it off, and the number she gave him being fake was only Two and Ponyboy's speculation. But I digress. Moving on.
Misogyny and classism intersect when it comes to the few female greaser characters we get a little insight on. So many people LOATHE both Sandy and Sylvia because they're cheaters, but honestly, how is cheating worse than stealing? (And don't pretend they steal because they need to survive Ponyboy makes a point of claiming Two-bit doesn't really need or want half the stuff he shoplifts) How is it worse than jumping little kids? How is it worse than sexually harassing girls? How is it worse than the plethora of immoral or illegal activities the greaser guys partake in? If we're being 100% honest, it isn't. "But-but Sandy cheated on Soda, who really loved her". Yeah, she did. That was shitty of her, I'm not defending that, but she was also a sixteen year old girl in a tough situation she was trying to navigate the best she could. She could have lied and told Soda it was his and trapped him in a marriage raising a kid he definitely couldn't afford if she wanted to- but she didn't. Hell, she told him the truth and he was still ready to do that and she wouldn't let him. I don't think those are the actions of a completely terrible person, I think they're the actions of a scared kid who did some shitty things, but is trying her best and trying to do better. At the VERY least they're the actions of a multifaceted character who deserves the same level of grace and insight afforded to the male characters. (If anyone wants to read more of my thoughts on Sandy and her narrative importance, I have a post here). There's also something to be said about the poor 'greasy' girls facing harsher vitriol than the soc girls, and while part of it is because of Ponyboy's biased narration, it's clear to see that readers very much took his views at face value. Soc girls are 'good girls' and have to be perfect to deserve credit from the fans, but greasy girls are 'trashy' so it's ok for them to be judged and shit on. Spoiler alert: it isn't.
Sylvia is similar to Sandy in that her cheating and 'loose' behaviour earn her a lot of hate, which again, I'm not defending her cheating, but we need to give her the same analysis and benefit of the doubt given to Dally. Dally is NOT a good person. Ponyboy says this and makes it clear plenty of times. He's a hurt character, so we can explien why he is the way he is, but he isn't a GOOD character. he values loyalty, so he never cheated on Sylvia, but it's clear based on how he treats Cherry and casual comments he makes that he doesn't really respect women. I can't imagine Sylvia's experience dating him was one where she felt very adored. Again, not an excuse for cheating, but I can understand WHY she'd try and take back power within a dynamic and a society where she never had any, and I don't want to vilify her for that. She's also a poor woman growing up in the sixties- the book makes it clear life is hard enough for poor guys griowing up at that time, but it was probably equally if not more hard for poor women. I think, like the gang, she does what she had to to survive. If you can understand why the gang does bad things, and still be humans who can be considered good, you can extend the same understanding to Sylvia (and Sandy.) I think people need to also keep in mind that everything we know ABOUT Sylvia (and the rest of the female characters) we know from Ponyboy, a fourteen year old boy who's narration is INCREDIBLY biased and who doesn't have the full details of any of the relationships in the gang. Ponyboy sees Sylvia and Sandy as these terrible, loose women who have hurt people he cares about, so a lot of the fandom does too, but it doesn't change the fact that by doing so you're accepting and embracing Ponyboy's internalized misogyny and making it your own.
Anyway, I don't think I'm articulating this as well as i want to, and i spoke a bit more about this in this reply to one of the posts on the confessions page, but yeah, I just wish people could accept that fact that if they bend over backward to find ways to defend or explain immoral actions from male characters, but refuse to even attempt to do the same for female characters, they've probably internalized a bit of misogyny they should maybe work on.
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itsstrawberrymochi Ā· 11 months ago
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Kny men having a crush on you would include:
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A/n: Iā€™m so rusty so please please yā€™all give me a little break šŸ˜­ thank you - management
Characters: Giyuu, Rengoku , Sanemi, and Tengen
Giyuu
- Is far too nervous to even be in the same room as you
- Gives you glances from afar and when you notice he looks away at the speed of light, if you had been closer you wouldā€™ve noticed the small blush on his face
- Likes to give you compliments under his breath because heā€™s far to nervous to say it to your face
- Before you two got together you were sure he hated you because every time you tried to talk to him,he would either ignore you or give you shallow answers and while this wasnā€™t something out of the ordinary for Giyuu to do to others, he really didnā€™t mean to do it to you in fact he still kicks himself thinking about it
- Itā€™s more heā€™s far too infatuated by you do function like normal human being
- When you two do eventually become friends he still has feelings for you but is better at controlling them
- Still wouldnā€™t have the guts to confess but would show how he feels through subtle actions
- For example heā€™s always checking in on you, if you work at the butterfly estate heā€™ll always visit you, if he sees you walking around the headquarters heā€™ll always come to you. Always politely greeting you and asking how have you been in that soft voice of his
- It will seem like a someone just checking up on a good friend of theirs but at the same time this is Giyuu, he doesnā€™t really talk to people if he doesnā€™t have to but if heā€™s actually going out of his way to talk to you itā€™s him showing he cares
- Other subtle ways he shows he likes you is by giving you gifts, but itā€™s not in a traditional sense nor anything flashy or expensive but rather very sentimental
- Giyuu is a big listener than talker so during your conversation he is able to pick up on every small or big detail you share with him during your conversation
- He will especially pick up on the things you like, dislike or currently having issues with
- This is now where the gift giving comes in
- Based of those conversations heā€™d come up with a gift rather than just randomly getting you one
- So if you mention to him you enjoy drinking tea or like sweets one day in a random month heā€™ll get you a different flavored tea or sweets saying he just so happened to pick it up when in reality he remembers your conversation
- Giyuu will constantly be doing subtle and sentimental gestures like this but he will never confess so it will have to be up to you to pick up on them and reciprocate them and confess first
- And if you do heā€™ll feel as if a weight was lifted and reciprocate immediately
Rengoku
- Kyōjurō is definitely the least shyest person around his crush
- And although his heart races a million miles per second and suddenly it gets hard to breathe if he just sees you, heā€™ll still make a huge effort to be around you all the time and become close friends
- Talks to you any chance he gets would even go as far as kindly excuse himself from a convo to talk to you
- But but but he may be a brave little lion however there are small moments he will get flustered around you
- For example since you two will quickly become friends, after he comes back from a mission you always hug him he will get extremely red in the face and talk even louder than he already does due to nerves
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- Always encourage you to talk about yourself itā€™s his way of trying to get to know you better plus he loves just hearing you ramble so itā€™s a all win for him
- Takes all your conversations to heart and will remember every detail, and even brings those no matter how small details in other conversations like if you mention your pet is sick, next conversation heā€™ll ask how they are feeling
- Kyōjurō would be the one to confess only itā€™ll take some time he wants to be 100% sure you feel the same and make sure you two have gotten enough time to actually know each other
Sanemi
- Sanemi is so emotionally constipated when it comes to you itā€™s almost laughable
- It would knee slapping hilarious to you too if his intentions towards you werenā€™t confusing as hell
- With Sanemi you wanted to conclude the white haired male just hated every atom in your body which you wouldnā€™t be surprised with since it seemed like he hated everyone
- But on the other hand if he truly did hate you then why does he go out of his way to do subtly nice things for you?
- It would be very hard to tell if Sameni likes you because he acts very hot and cold
- One moment heā€™s making fun of you calling you names for the way you stand while training but then the next minutes heā€™s sending over the butterfly girls to bring you some water and a small snack because you had looked extremely exhausted while training although heā€™ll never admit heā€™s the one who sent them
- Sanemi is actually aware of his meanness towards you, but he only does this so you donā€™t get the so and so wrong idea when in reality heā€™s embarrassed by his kind acts and fears you wonā€™t reciprocate or feel weirded out by them
- So he uses the meanness as a cover, however even though he is intentionally being mean to you, his meanness isnā€™t even as close as bad as he does with others
- He wouldnā€™t dare yell at you, push your around, threaten youā€¦..you know the usual like he does with others
- He just calls you name but never actually means them
- If he does actually be a bit meaner to you and he notices it hurts your feelings, since heā€™s still very much emotionally constipated and canā€™t straight out apologize the following or next day heā€™ll do something a little bit extra sweet for you
- Sanemi definitely would NOT confess heā€™s too scared you wonā€™t feel the same then things would be different between you two
- If you do confess to him heā€™ll answer with a ā€œWhat took you so long dumbassā€ harsh words but the pink blush in his face says heā€™s happy
Tengen
- Bro thinks heā€™s a peacock
- Uses his flamboyance to win you over
- Wears different jewels in his headdress so you wound notice or even better compliment them
- Doesnā€™t only try to win you over with looks but also tries to be charming
- Like to flaunt his very POSITIVE masculinity with you
- Like of course you can open that door yourself but heā€™ll still do it for you
- Tengen is very aware that he likes you and he isnā€™t hiding the fact that he does
- Always tries to impress you by telling you stories about his best demon hunts
- Likes to give you flashy and expensive gifts but theyā€™re practical and not just for show
- Would definitely annoy you a lot but itā€™s only because he likes the attention you give him and he never does it to a point where he actually really bothers you
- Would be the first to confess but to be honest you wouldnā€™t believe him because he ā€œconfessedā€ a lot as a joke to annoy you so durning that actual confession this is the first time youā€™ll see him be serious
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quirkwizard Ā· 2 months ago
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The Villains Aren't Alright
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Recently, I got an ask talking about certain misconceptions that people have about the series. As I was thinking about it, I was starting to realize that a lot of what I was listing off talked about the villains. Specifically, how many people say they are in the right. Obviously, this isn't about characters like Muscular, Overhaul, or All For One. They are meant to be more overtly villainous. I'm talking more about the more "Societal Rebels" of the manga. Characters like Stain, the MLA, and especially the League of Villains.
The MLA wants the freedom to use Quirks. That the usage of a Quirk is a basic human right. It's a nice sentiment on paper and gets close to the right idea. That people need to be more active and try and help in ways they can't. The issue comes in how far they want to go. They want unrestricted usage of all Quirks. As if that wouldn't result in everything collapsing within seconds. You need those restrictions to keep any kind of normal and societal cohesion. Even if it's just fighting villains, using your Quirks without any proper training is dangerous and stupid. You need people like the heroes, those who are trained to actually use their powers and handle villains to help out. Not only that, but it's an ideology that is breeding ground for more dangerous ideas. Stuff like Geten's ideas of people with strong Quirks standing at the top or Re-Destro's ideas about how your Quirk determines who you are as a person. That's the kind of thing you get when you define everything by Quirks.
Stain is another example. Again, you can understand where he's coming from. That some people shouldn't be pro-heroes and that the system is corrupt. This is still a flawed mindset, though. And it's not just because he's killing and mutilating people to do it. It's the Stain's ideology is so dogmatic to the point only two people can be heroes. Not only is that woefully impractical, but it ignores so much of the nuance of people. Like how people need money to support and incentivize people to be heroes. That doing that hero work still helps people regardless of the motivation. It ignores good and talented heroes, such as the original Ingeiunm being one of the nicest and most competent heroes we've seen, or people's ability to change, like how Mount Lady grew out of her shallow mindset into a proper hero. So I don't think the story says Stain is right in what he does. If anything, it's meant to show the darker aspects of All Might's mythologizing. To set such impossible standards that no one could meet them.
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Then there are the League of Villains. Look, these villains have suffered, and they have a right to be upset. There's no denying that. But that doesn't necessarily make them right. It's not just about action, of which there are plenty you could point to that cements them as villains, but motivation. Let's start with some of the easy ones. Namely, Mr. Compress, Twice, and Spinner. Mr. Compress says he wants to fight against the corrupt system like his ancestor, but neither his actions nor his words reflect that. His joining the league seems more of an excuse to show off his skill and power. Twice is only motivated to help the League out of a sense of acceptance, but that's it. It's hard to say he's motivated by any kind lofty goal as much as he is a guy who is in a constant state of being screwed over or taken advantage of by everyone. Spinner wants to follow Stain's ideology, but that falls to the side in favor of following Tomura. Even in the face of something like the mutant crisis, he couldn't care less about any of it. He's less a rebel and more radicalized bandwagoner who lost sight of what he was fighting for.
The real big ones that people talk about are Tomura, Toga, and Dabi. Tomura wants to dismantle the society that neglected him, but his core motivation and goal is to just destroy everything. He hates everything, ergo, he is going to destroy it. There is no other goal or plan than that. Toga wants to be able to be herself, but that involves killing and drinking whomever she wishes. She could not care less about the people she hurts as long as she gets her fix. Dabi wants to expose Endeavor because of the neglect he endured, but only wants to do it to make Enji suffer. He's not looking for any real justice and will hurt anyone to get his satisfaction, including people who were just as many victims as him, like Shoto. The point I'm trying to make is that the villains aren't rebels trying to fight against an unjust world. The most you can say about the League is that they're lashing out at whatever hurts them and will not stop until they get some satisfaction. They are right in the sense society has an issue, but that doesn't make them justified because what they do doesn't solve anything.
Because at the end of the day, what is there to be gained from hurting these random people? Nothing. It doesn't help anything, not even the League itself, at least with how the League is doing it. Tearing everything down helped in the long run, but that was never the goal. Which I feel like is a bit of a trend with the villains: people who have understandable ideas, but their extremism and warped perspective of it ends up not doing more harm. What I'm saying is that it's important to separate the motivation from the action. While the villains can and should be understood and empathized with, their actions still cement them as in the wrong. It was tragic what happened to them, it shouldn't happen again, and society should change to help people like them before things go wrong. But that responsibility lies with the heroes, who need to reach out and try to change things, and that doesn't make the villains right or justify their actions. Because that isn't what the villains are after. They are people out here for their own goals and motivations. Understandable yet destructive goals that do not improve anything. That's what makes them villains.
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problemswithbooks Ā· 21 days ago
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On Stella (Helluva Boss)
The fandom fights a lot over Stella and how she's written. Fans who like the way she is presented say it's fine that she's a one-dimensional 'evil queen' trope. It's not bad writing that she's so shallow and one note--some villains are better that way.
That isn't an inherently wrong statement. Some of the most fun villains are shallow, evil, for evil's sake types. Unfortunately, I don't think Stella works as this type of villain for a multitude of reasons.
Reason 1: Stella's 'evil' trait is at odds with the themes of the show.
Stella's primary evil trait is that she's cruel to Stolas simply because she likes being cruel to him. She's abusive and hates him. That, by itself isn't the problem. The problem is that the story isn't about Stolas being in an abusive relationship--it's primarily about two people from two different classes, and how they have to become better people and change in order to have the loving relationship they both want.
Yes, Stolas being in a past abusive relationship could be a hurtle to his growth as a character and him being in a relationship with Blitz, but the show never goes there even when it could. Stolas is not shown as being triggered by Blitz's yelling at him. In Apology Tour he has no issues fighting back and telling Blitz off, ordering him to leave. Blitz's yelling and more aggressive attitude isn't what leads to their misunderstandings, where Blitz accidentally hurts Stolas by reminding him of Stella's abuse.
Instead, Stella's abuse isn't even touched on in any major way, and does nothing to move the plot forward or cause connected drama between the two leads. Yes, she hires Striker to kill Stolas and that does at times cause problems, but she didn't need to be abusive inorder to explain why she'd want Stolas dead. In a world where assassins and murder is around every corner, it'd make just as much sense for Stella to hire Striker because Stolas cheated, and it made her a laughingstock among her high class friends.
I'd even argue her abuse makes the story make less sense. We know, from Stolas's own admission, that once his daughter was born, their marriage wasn't necessary. He claims he stayed to give Octavia a normal life, but if Stella is as volatile as she's shown, why would he think Via being around her was a good idea? If Stella had been less outwardly antagonistic and instead more cold and standoffish, with the both of them having mostly separate lives, intersected by polite, if strained family interactions when around Via, then him staying would make sense.
One of the reasons I think more people wanted Stella to be a caring mother to Octavia was because it explains why her and Stolas were still married despite her constant abuse towards him. If Stella cared about Via, and they were close, Stolas would be not only reluctant to leave but to let their false pretense of 'happy couple' slip in front of Via, since both would hurt her. It also would make Octavia's choice to stay with Stella and her anger at Stolas hold more weight, and give Via more complicated emotions. She'd really love her mom, but be confronted with the fact she hurt her father, who she also loves. As it is, it's pretty clear to see that as soon as Octavia finds out Stella is pure evil, she'll easily go back to Stolas with very little if any internal conflict.
Reason 2: Vivziepop claims she's not a one-dimensional character.
A really huge issue with Stella being presented as a one note bitch, is because the creator herself claims she's not. In an interview, Vivzie says Stella is like Beatrice Horseman from BoJack Horseman, saying that at some point we will see things from her perspective.
The problem with this is that Stella has already been portrayed too negatively and flat for this to work. Beatrice worked because, while yes she was awful to Bojkack, she also had Alzheimer's which gained her some sympathy points, as did the way Hollyhock cared for her. She also wasn't always over the top horrible to Bojack, being more passive-aggressive and neglectful.
On top of that, despite her abuse toward BoJack, particularly when he was growing up, she wasn't framed as the reason for all of BoJack's issues. He was still responsible for his own shitty actions as an adult, and when he retaliated toward her, like tossing the baby doll off the balcony, it was framed as shitty behavior. More than anything, their interactions said more about BoJack than Beatrice. Him trying to hurt her, by throwing away her baby doll or putting her in the shittiest nursing home he could find was to show how BoJack wishes he could retaliate against his mother for all the things she did to him, but it leaves him feeling hollow because he knows that due to her disease she's not aware of who he is. It's meaningless, doesn't help him get any closure.
Stella is not presented as anything other than over the top abusive in every scene she's in. Nothing in the show suggests she's anything besides violent, even going so far as having her choking dogs in a childhood picture. Nor is Stolas's treatment of her supposed to reflect on him or characterize him. The only time it might is when he ignores Via because he's too caught up fighting with on the phone, but again, it's not given much focus and he doesn't reflect on it. The same goes for the cheating--yes, Stella was abusive and he doesn't necessarily owe her anything, but Stolas refuses to acknowledge that what he did clearly upset Stella, both times he talks about it asserting that he knows he didn't hurt her. No, they weren't in love, but cheating is still degrading, and Stella is obviously upset. Frankly, I think it would have made more sense for Stolas to rub that fact in her face--he has no issue insulting her, as we see later in that conversation. Instead, his continued assurance that he didn't hurt her or do anything wrong feels like the writers talking through the character, afraid watchers will judge Stolas to harshly otherwise.
Stella getting the Beatrice treatment will likely fail because there is nothing to soften the audience toward her even a little. She has been presented as Stolas's tormentor and nothing else. There are flashes of possible sympathy for her when she interacts with her brother, but for the most part they're framed as Andre being right and Stella being stupid, rather than Stella possibly being manipulated and used by her brother.
It also will fall flat because unless her background is another showcase of how even the upper class are hurt by the system, and this leads to something either story or character wise for the main cast, then there is no point to bring it up. The point of Beatrice's story was to show how generational trauma seeps down into the next generation. BoJack doesn't even have to know about it for it to reflect on his character and explain why he is the way he is. He and his mother parallel each other, where they start out as innocent children but through their parents mistakes, they grow up into cynical, bitter adults who both feel as if they've wasted their lives.
Reason 3: To many villains.
Stella has taken a backseat in her own villain story to her brother, who, just like Stella, is simply evil (he's even characterized as a catty bitch, just like she is, except less of a yeller). It's true Andre wants power, whereas Stella wants...well nothing really, just Stolas dead I guess, but for the most part they are nearly the same. Andre is just a better written version of Stella since he actually gets to make plans and have an end goal.
Once Andre gets introduced, Stella is redundant because she offers nothing different and in fact offers less to the story overall. If Stella was going to be a flat, evil for evilā€™s sake villain, she and Andre should have been combined. It would have made far more sense to have Stella be a bit smarter and be the one plotting to get Stolas's power. It also would have made the court scenes more impactful because Stella would be a character that was established far earlier, and who we know is a major threat to Stolas, since she's the one that hired Striker to torture and kill him.
If Andre was going to be the main big bad for Stolas, then Stella needed to offer something different. Generally the underling under the main villain is more sympathetic, and less evil, as a way to showcase how much worse the main bad guy is. Or they're more charismatic and show up far more than the main bad guy, like Azula and Ozai. As it is, Stella is neither. She shows up just as little as her brother, and does far less.
And, while Vivzie is a woman herself, I do find the handling of Stella to have mysoginistic undertones, mainly that since her brother has shown up, she is constantly shown as stupid, and that her only good quality is her looks--things her brother constantly brings up, but are not framed as shitty on his part. Them being essentually the same charater make this look all the worse, since Andre, as I've said, didn't need to be a charater at all, and Stella could have been the main villain instead. To pretty much sideline a female charater in order to introduce a male charater that fills the same roll is not the best. Just like racisuim, sexisuim doesn't have to be done purposfly, and I don't blame anyone who finds this choice to be sexist.
Then there's Striker.
Another reason I think Stella and Andre should have been combined. Striker worked really well as the side antagonist under the main villain. He's the one we see more of, he's more charismatic and has hints of a generally interesting backstory, one that we know would fit into the theme the show has of class issues. He's a mirror of what Blitz could have turned into, while Stella could be presented as Stolas's opposite. Even their work relationship could be a dark mirror of Blitz and Stolas's real love for one another.
As it is, Striker is under two other villains, one of which has become essentially unless to the story (Stella can't do anything Andre can't at this point, especially since her and Via aren't shown to have a close relationship). This reduces his threat level and reduced his screen time since he now has to share it with another character. We can see this in the newest episode, where we get a scene where Andre is talking to Stella and then Striker appears later at the trial with no explanation. If Andre and Stella were combined, that scene could have been Stella going over the plan with Striker instead. This would have helped Striker's character, since as it is, his appearance at the trial is confusing. Maybe he's just out for himself and his selfishness won out over his hate of Royals, maybe he was blackmailed, maybe he was so furious and his pride wounded so much by Blitz he'd do anything to bring him down, maybe it's a combination of all three. We don't know because we aren't given the set up. Is it cool that Striker was a suprise? Sure, but in this case it wasn't worth not showing the charater's reason for doing something that seems to go agasint his own charaterization.
Reson 4: Threat.
One of the main reasons to have a simply evil villain is so the can be incredibly menicing. The Aundence doesn't have to feel anything but fear for the protagonists and hate for the villain. They pose no deep moral question, and it feels great when they're beaten.
Despite being a major villain we never see her threat felt by the protagonists. Take her abuse of Stolas. We see her go to hit him and he catches her hand easily and tells her off without issue. Stolas has no problem standing up to Stella ever. In The entire show Stolas is never portayed as afraid of Stella.
Contrast this with how Moxxie and Crimson interact. Yes, sometimes Moxxie does stand up to his father, but we are shown how terrified he is of Crimson multiple times during the one episonde they interact. In comparison Stella's actions never make Stolas even worried. The most we see is him doging things when she throws things at him, but he doesn't seem genuinly afraid, and it's forgoten as soon as she leaves.
He insults her over the phine, insults her to her face. When he learns she hired Striker we arent shown him suddenly relize he underestimated her and become afraid. He instead he's more conserned with his reletionship with Blitz and getting him a crystal. Stolas never tells Blitz about Stella, so we don't even know how Blitz feels about how she treated him.
It's hard for a pure eveil villain to work when only one charater even seems to know they exist and they aren't even worried about offending them. The only way this could work is if Stella pretended to be nice most of the time, but was secretly ploting, like Scar in the Lion King. Instead she's framed as this force of nature, pure bitch, who torments Stolas, yet Stolas doesn't even show anxiaty when having to meet with her, something we know he's prone too because he shuts himself in the refrigerator when contemplating his confession to Blitz ending badly.
If the writers want Stella to be evil--make her evil. Let her be powerful and scary. Have Stolas fintch at her voice, show flashbacks of her hitting him, let her win arguments and verbally tear Stolas down. Make her smart enough to plan things on her own.
I think when alot of people say Stella is a badly written charater it's not nessesarily because they wanted her to be good, or complex. I don't see alot of people angry at how Mother Gothel was written (besides her deisgn being anti-semetic) or Maleficent. It's possible to write evil, one-dimensional female villains. The issue is that even as an evil bitch, Stella falls short in a mutitupe of ways. Her charater is a complete waste, even more so now that her brother has been introduced. She has no reason to exist and serves no narritive purpose. Even as a raod block to the Stolas/Blitz ship she isn't nessesaey because their main issue is the class systum. Stella could have been dead before the show started, leaving Stolas with Via for drama, and Andre could be the evil uncle trying to get Stolas's power.
Stella is pretty much a sexy lamp, execpt the sexy lamp is also a bitch. She's less affective then the random bitch charaters introduced in romatic webtoon comics that are only there to be mean to the main charater and try to steal her man. Stella's not badly written because she's pure evil and simple, she's badly written because she doesn't serve a purpose in the story and could be replaced with a sexy, evil lamp.
#helluva boss#Stella Goetia#helluva boss stella#helluva boss critical#helluva boss striker#idk#Stella is an interesting character because she really feels like a remnate of a first draft#like i feel like her and her bro would be combined asap if helluva was made a live action show or something#and if she had to stay change her from simply wanting to be mean because lolz#and more because she loathes stolas for cheating with an imp#i mean fans say thats one of her reasons#but it's not actually touched on past a few insults#like playing up her classism would really help make her fit with themes of the show more#i also think her being abusive sort of makes Stolas's half of the show a bit lopsided#like i wish she was more like Verosika because then Stolas could learn something from his past relationship like Blitz did#as it is all of Stella's critisizuims of Stolas are presented as her being a petty abusive bitch#which makes it harder for Stolas to get good advice on how to be a better partner#because none of the toxic stuff from his only relationship was his fault#even when I think there are some things that could have been used#like his habit of just not listening to other people#he does this with Via#and he does it to Stella#aka he doesn't even notice shes ordering a hit on him at the table#its played for laughs but Stolas's lack of paying attention to people#is shown alot#even with Blitz#like when he doesn't notice how much Blitz hates his nicknames#even though he's really vocal about it#idk i think it would have been nice if Stella could have told him that#in the same way Verosika was able to tell Blitz how he fucked up during their relationship
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longing-for-rain Ā· 4 months ago
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Out of curiosity, what makes you feel drawn to Zutara as a lesbian. Is it still relatable to you?
It does feel relatable to me. Obviously itā€™s a heterosexual relationship, but given the lack of good and complete representation of lesbian relationships in the media, I still gravitate towards certain aspects of romances like this.
There are many reasons why, but before I get into it, I want to preface this by saying that the point of this is not to say that Zutara is ā€œlesbian codedā€ or anything like that so please donā€™t construe it that way. Itā€™s a heterosexual relationship, period. All Iā€™m saying here is what I, personally, enjoy about it as a lesbian.
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The biggest reason I like it is because it represents female desire to me. I know the BoyMom and Pick-Me brigade hates that Iā€™ve described Zutara that way in the pastā€”but itā€™s true and I stand by it. That is the reason why Zutara became so popular and why its fanon narrative is almost entirely driven by female fans. It directly reflects their desire in a romance and what Kataraā€™s canon one was lacking.
I honestly didnā€™t have strong feelings about Zutara until I saw the backlash it received. The narrative and the fans both treat Katara as if getting with anyone besides Aang makes her selfish, or that sheā€™s neglecting some kind of duty by doing so. Kataraā€™s voice and desire is fundamentally unimportant to the writers, because they always focused on Aangā€™s feelings over hers, and even though fans try to pretend otherwise, the dominant narrative surrounding this relationship has always been about Aang. How he needs airbending children, how his heart would be broken if she left, how he needs her to rebuild, etc.
And from Kataraā€™s side, even though she never shows that she shares Aangā€™s level of interest, fans insist on reading in signs that arenā€™t really there. They also focus on logical reasons why theyā€™d work. Aang is nice, heā€™s fun, heā€™s a prodigy like Katara, both have suffered in the war, etc. At first glance, it seems like a good matchā€¦but we never actually see the writing demonstrate how they actually connect over any of these things.
Good in theory, but bland and passionless in reality.
That narrative resonated with me in a bad way, because itā€™s exactly how Iā€™ve felt as a lesbian. It reflects the pressures Iā€™ve felt to put aside my desire for love to date a man instead. Iā€™ve been told to my face that itā€™s selfish for me to ā€œchooseā€ another womanā€”a person I actually desireā€”over a man.
ā€œWhat about children?ā€
ā€œThis is going to make your life so much more difficult!ā€
ā€œThink of your family!ā€
ā€œJakey is such a nice guy, canā€™t you just give him a chance?ā€
ā€œYou have so many interests in common with Jakey and he has a good job! Why wonā€™t you go out with him? It makes so much sense!ā€
ā€œYouā€™re so shallow, being fixated on looks. What if your perfect match comes along, but heā€™s male? Would you really say no?ā€
ā€œYou only want that because youā€™re a pervert. You need to stop being so obsessed with sex and think about the person instead.ā€
Itā€™s eerily familiar, thatā€™s all Iā€™m saying. A lot of these ideas are used to attack Zutara and its fans nearly verbatim.
Katara isnā€™t a lesbian, but like a lesbian, Katara in the context of Zutara commits the crime of marrying for love and desire over duty. Some people see that as an evil act of selfishness, but to me, itā€™s just love.
We canā€™t control who we love, and I like to see the narrative of a female character breaking free from the social expectations placed on her to pursue it. No; Zuko isnā€™t the ā€œsafeā€ option, their relationship would be heavily criticized, and it could even endanger them. But that relationship is one they both feel passion for, and together, they would draw power from one another and use it for good. Their love and connection is powerful, and they would have fought hard for it. Because love is worth fighting for.
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Thatā€™s deeply admirable to me, and an empowering narrative when I think about how Iā€™m inevitably going to have to fight hard for any love of mine. But itā€™s worth it to meā€”itā€™s always worth it.
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wortsandall Ā· 5 months ago
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i finally have words to explain why deku bothers me so much as a character and its that hes a bootlicker who lives on like toxic positivity which are two traits that bother the hell out of me
1) toxic positivity because he doesn't let anyone like have problems? or allow them to be upset about it...he just immediately goes in with the reaching out a hand message and how being there for people can help. which is nice i guess-but not when it has nothing to do with what theyre talking about like with lady nagant. the most he ever says about any of the corruption he saw in hero society is that 'wow there's shades of grey' which is true but is an ultimately meaningless statement. he never addresses or thinks about anything besides his hero worship because he thinks that'll solve all problems and he projects that onto other people without actually listening to them. hes a mouthpiece more than a character
hence, 2) being a bootlicker. hes just upholding the hero society. like he hears over and over how it sucks and needs to change but his worldview never changes. its still just 'heroes help' and 'heroes reaching out a hand will help'. everything starts with the idea that heroes are the end all, be all solution to every problem in their society despite the fact that the HPSC as well as individual heroes (like endeavor) have been shown to be corrupt and unhero like. but deku doesn't care about that because they are heroes. he keeps talking about endeavor positively, including to shotos face. and he says to lady nagant that she still has the heart of a hero. he doesn't listen. he has a one track mind which would make sense for a child but its never challenged and never changed.
its just kind of gross to me. i've always disliked deku, even before the shoto-endeavor reveal. but i could never really say why besides really shallow things like hes annoying and not as interesting as some of the others introduced. but he's just meaningless statements and actions rolled into a character that we're supposed to root for but really all i want to do is push him aside for characters with real convictions and drive. i also feel like he might have had everything handed to him. like yes he trained and breaks his body every time he uses his quirk but because all might (who should've died at kamino but i digress) helps him out he gets so much just kinda given to him...and then he has to work to maintain it i guess. but he'd be more interesting to me if he didn't have all might as a fallback. like hed really have to do it on his own-especially the epilogue. which i guess shows he didn't try or was never going to be able to do it on his own which is just sad. even if i hate him, that's sad.
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raven-at-the-writing-desk Ā· 1 month ago
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It's funny to watch you insist all the time you're not into L*ona and Jā€Word and then roughly every 6 months you stage a takeover of the Sebek-Zigvolt-Defenders-Club and loudly and proudly proclaim he's the best boy actually and we should all love him.
In all seriousness, it was your thoughtful analyses that changed my mind about Sebek some months ago and I now also preach the good word about him. He's so loud and dumb and silly and I cry when we get more of his lore and personality revealed, so you're doing great work soldier šŸ«”
(P.S. Is this confirmation of the list of your favorite first, second, and third year? Two secretive schemers known for taking advantage of people and one tall, loud, loving croc boy with a big ol' heartšŸ˜)
[My two big Sebek analysis posts: here and here! Other Sebek analysis can be found in this masterlist.]
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I insist I'm not into J word and L*ona because I am, in fact, not into them :) Trust, trust. I cannot tell a lie :))
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IS IT REALLY EVERY 6 MONTHS... If so, that's totally unintentional on my part šŸ˜‚ If I put out a Sebek analysis, it's because there was an ask about him or there's been new official Twst content that I want to scream and shout about. Between Sebek, Jade, and Leona, I feel that Sebek is definitely the most easily understood and most disliked one, especially from the get-go. General opinion of him seems to have improved considerably thanks to book 7, but to this day I still remember the visceral hate he received because he was labelled a racist or loud or an ass-kisser or having no personality outside of liking Malleus. It was sad to see him getting trashed... so I guess I felt like someone had to defend his honor www (And to be clear, it's okay if you dislike Sebek!! Not everyone has to like him. I'm only saying that I don't agree with the opinion that Sebek is a shallow character.)
AAHHABIHFAHSFHQGTG830TQ3P9Nadfhubabyoifam;,; I'm happy that my analyses helped you to see him in a new light!! Again, Sebek truthers rise up āœŠ He's a himbo, but he's OUR himbo...
I'd say that Leona is at the top of the third years for me, yeah. B-BUT NOT BECAUSE I LIKE HIM OR ANYTHING, GOT THAT???? It's mostly because I don't find most of the other third years that appealing to me. Jade faces much stiffer competition, since I like most of the second years. However, he manages to pull ahead of the rest of them by a smidge. It's actually Sebek that's fighting hard to keep the spot of my favorite first year; the other two I really like are Ace and Ortho. Ace fluctuates a lot though... While I do find his bratty personality cute (especially when he's doing vocal impressions of the other characters) and appreciate him having the gall to tell others off (regardless of power or social statuz disparity), I also find him very annoying and immature. So I guess it's actually Sebek versus Ortho, the more solid candidate. I think Ortho's relationship with his older brother is very sweet and, of course, tragic. I also love that he looks so innocent but has a deep capacity for violence (laser beam to the face, anyone?) and a strong curiosity to learn more about what it means to be human.
Assuming that Sebek, Jade, and Leona are my respective favorites of each year though šŸ’€ Theyā€™re all freakishly tall and pretty muscular (sliding scale of least muscular J word to most muscular Sebek www)ā€¦ Two big brains and there thereā€™s just. The baby with brawn.
chsjwvjwjwow I mentioned this to some friends and hereā€™s how that convo went:
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THIS WAs 100% UNINTENTIONALā€¦ OTL
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maxdibert Ā· 1 month ago
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Hii I'm a new follower to your blog, but a quick question (this is after I read your 5 most hated Harry Potter characters, and I agree mostly, ESPECIALLY on Dumbledore): what's your opinion on Darco Malfoy?
Just curious...
Hi there! Thanks for following!! ^^
So, letā€™s talk about Draco. I always tread carefully when it comes to him because I donā€™t want to romanticize the character, but at the same time, reducing him (as Rowling does) to this Ć¼ber-evil bully feels shallow and shortsighted.
Draco is essentially a James Potter. Heā€™s a rich, spoiled kid whose parents have always given him everything he wanted and treated him as if he were the most precious thing in the world. And yes, lots of people claim Lucius was abusive, but I donā€™t think thatā€™s accurate. Lucius was a classist fanatic with terrible ideas, but that doesnā€™t necessarily make him a bad parent. Some folks donā€™t understand that you can be a terrible human being while still treating your kids well. History is full of examples of people who were absolute trash as human beings but were doting parents, and vice versa: people revered for their contributions to peace or human rights but who, behind closed doors, were awful to their families (looking at you, Gandhi and Mother Teresa).
Draco trusted his father to the point that he felt comfortable writing to him and complaining about every minor inconvenience at Hogwarts. Thatā€™s not indicative of abusive or neglectful parentingā€”itā€™s quite the opposite. It shows a kid so confident in his parentsā€™ support and protection that he doesnā€™t hesitate to make a fuss over, say, the Saturday meal in the dining hall. Draco, like James, also believes he has the right to pick on certain people based on what identifies them. Draco mocks people for being Gryffindors or Muggle-born, while James bullied Severus for being a Slytherin and having an interest in the Dark Arts. Both of them feel justified within their own moral frameworks to target specific groups. However, one thing we can say in Dracoā€™s favor is that he never publicly stripped anyone or orchestrated a ā€œprankā€ that nearly got someone killed by a werewolf (that was Sirius but still-)
That said, if thereā€™s one way Draco differs from James, itā€™s in the political alignment of his parents. But ultimately, itā€™s the same situation: rich parents fervently instilling a set of values in their upper-class kids who, because of their privilege and never having been told ā€œno,ā€ completely believe in these ideas and stomp over anyone who challenges them. The only difference is that the values Jamesā€™s parents passed on were ā€œthe good ones,ā€ while Dracoā€™s upbringing trained him to be a massive bigot.
Draco is the typical smug, self-satisfied kid from an ultra-conservative family who has never stopped to question those ideasā€”and why would he? Theyā€™re part of his privileged world. He has a comfortable, conflict-free life. His parents love and support him, his friends share the same beliefs, and in his social circle, these ideologies are considered virtuous. Why would he question them? Nothing in his life sets off any alarms. Heā€™s never suffered, and this ideology has never negatively impacted him or his family.
Then Voldemort returns. The chaos in the Department of Mysteries happens, and Lucius falls from grace. Suddenly, Voldemortā€™s followers arenā€™t these wealthy, powerful wizards he always thought they were. Theyā€™re pawns to a psychopath who severely punishes anyone who becomes useless. Thatā€™s when Draco begins to realize this isnā€™t a game. Itā€™s not something to joke about with his friends or mock other kids over during recess. This is war, and war costs lives. And heā€™s on the side of a madman who wants him to kill Dumbledore. But Draco doesnā€™t want to kill Dumbledore. Sure, Dumbledoreā€™s a dick, and maybe he shouldnā€™t be headmaster because he clearly plays favorites, but just because Draco dislikes him doesnā€™t mean he wants him deadā€”let alone that he wants to be the one to do it.
Draco can be nasty, petty, and insufferable, but heā€™s not a murderer. He doesnā€™t want to kill anyone, but he has no choice because if he doesnā€™t, Voldemort will kill him and his familyā€”or worse, kill his family first and then him, just to drive the point home.
Draco never particularly interested me as a character until this moment when he realizes what his ideology truly entails and what it means to follow someone like Voldemort. Thatā€™s when he stops being a kid playing at being a dark wizard and starts seeing the real consequences of itā€”and he doesnā€™t like what he sees. Thereā€™s a big difference between holding certain political ideas and being dragged into a spiral of gratuitous violence. He doesnā€™t want to be part of it. And I think that makes him incredibly human (despite whatever Rowling might say, because she can eat my ass). Itā€™s something that happens to a lot of kids who grow up in environments like his.
I went to a Catholic school full of kids from ultra-conservative families, and I knew people like Draco. People who, as they grew older, started to realize that the ideas theyā€™d been taught to repeat without much thought could become genuinely dangerous. I donā€™t think Rowling intended thisā€”because sheā€™s pretty one-dimensional when it comes to aligning her characters into good and bad campsā€”but what she ended up doing with Draco in the end was turning him from a caricature of a bratty bully into a painfully realistic character.
I have a lot of compassion for Draco. He learned his lesson the hard way. But honestly? Thatā€™s fine. He needed a reality check, and he got one.
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ghost-bxrd Ā· 8 months ago
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Been reading some of the silver age Batman stuff... Ouch. Reading that and reading canon Bruce?
Ugh, I wanna punch whoever decided they had to make him an edgelord to be 'realistic'.
The silver age plots are goofy and all, I know. WFA plots have a bit of a sitcom feel, I know.
And the modern comics do have a lot of really interesting storylines - like the Court of Owls, Luke's whole WAR arc- and a lot of really creepy awesome villains.
But the problem is the modern mainstream comics? I can barely get through one without wanting to punch Bruce - and occasionally others, but most commonly Bruce - in the face.
And it is tough to enjoy a plotline when the main character is a jerk, if you were first introduced to that main character as a good dad, a good friend.
I really want DC to do a reboot again - or at least start an Elseworlds comic - where they bring back good dad Bruce.
Bruce taking Dick or Jason or whichever Batkid to movies or amusement park? Bruce hanging out with Clark just chatting and being BFFs? Dick just leaving for college instead of getting kicked out at 16? Dick and Jason having a good relationship? Batfam who do mess up, but always try to set it right?
Gimme!
I can totally relate!
The first time I got introduced to the Batman franchise it was with the general outline of ā€œvigilante trying to save people regardless of their past and wrongdoingā€ which, admittedly, may be a bit shallow as far as characterization is concerned, but damn when I started getting into the batfam fandom and the Robin historyā€¦ I was stumped.
The early versions of Batman, his trademark characteristic, was that he cared about people. That despite his past trauma, he was still so intrinsically good and kind hearted. He adored children. He never considered anybody beyond saving.
I will never understand how the writers could move from that Batman image onto a version of him that would adopt a child only to later kick him out and then tell another heā€™s ā€œnot interested in teenage rebellionā€ because ā€œIā€™m not your dadā€. Or even canonically punching one of them in the face hard enough to knock a tooth out, completely unprovoked.
(Not to mention the whole beating Jason up so badly that Jason literally says ā€œIā€™ve never seen you hit Joker that hard. And you hate him.ā€ā€¦ or the batarang incident. Justā€¦ yeah.)
Itā€™s justā€¦ jarring.
I totally agree with you that there are some very interesting plots (Court of Owls my beloved) but I donā€™t get how that translates to the writers making Bruce such a horrible dad or mentor. Like, it doesnā€™t add anything to the story except making the reader dislike him. And not much (if anything) would have changed if theyā€™d at least made him a decent dad/father. At least thatā€™s how I feel.
(Writers should take inspiration from Batman: City of Madness, because the way Bruce handled the scared kid in thereā€¦ THATā€™S what heā€™s supposed to be like!!!! A gentle yet fierce protector!!!!!!)
So in conclusionā€¦ good dad Bruce for the win!!!!! This jerky Bruce isnā€™t canon for me šŸ˜¤ Silver Age letā€™s go šŸ’š
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