#Anti-Warhammer 40k

[kyliafanfiction]

What's the gripe with the Templin people? I tried watching their videos once but they seemed very boring so I don't really know anything about their content

(Full disclosure, it's been years since I watched any of their videos, so while I remember generally what they've said that pissed me off, I don't remember the specifics and I don't care to. Unlike say, Craptain America Steve "I am Drone Strikes In Human Form" Rogers, the Templin Institute does not live rent free in my head all the time, they just sublet some space every few months for a day or two) Well, My gripe is that their opinions on worldbuilding in sci-fi are very, very wrong. There's a lot of little things I didn't like or didn't agree with, like opposing the idea of a single government governing an entire world even if that world is part of (or even the capital of) a multistellar state, or saying that monarchies couldn't possibly ever function in the future because western democracies are so much more effective and efficient (*points to the United States* Not to say Monarchies are *good*, but monarchies are as capable of being effective at governing as democracies, because a monarchy is just a dictatorship where you call the dictator King, and we have a lot of functioning, for varying values of the word, dictatorships right now on earth), to saying that an Empire shouldn't call itself an Empire because it's too 'on the nose' or something to that effect, etc

But the thing that was the 'fuck this shit I'm out' for ever watching their videos again and soured me anytime anyone else links their videos and calls them "great worldbuilding advice" (seeing someone do that on a forum thread is what prompted my bitchpost) was one about sci-fi ships, and basically asserting all sorts of nonsense about what kinds of ships did and did not work/make sense (Dreadnoughts apparently are Bad™ and no serious writer should have them), ignoring that

1.) In most sci-fi settings that serve as settings for stories, games, TTRPGs, etc the classes/kinds of ships are there for narrative reasons first (in general, Templin's narrative-neutral approach to worldbuilding, while in theory sound, creates a lot of problems very quickly)

2.) The author is responsible for the space physics/etc of the universe. It's not hard to construct a universe where Dreadnoughts are the only viable form of warship for some reason. Or one where carriers rule the day, or one where carriers are actually a terrible, terrible idea, etc, etc, etc. Templin has this tendency, in their worldbuilding advice videos, to ignore that writers are gods of their own universes. Or so is my impression. They also speak authoritatively without basis, but that's kind of a me hangup, because ultimately it should be obvious it's all their opinion (I just think their opinions are bad) So I don't like them, get annoyed when I see people rec their worldbuilding stuff and can't believe I'm the only person who thinks their worldbuilding 'advice' is barely above useless half the time.

As for why right-wing neckbeard basement dwelling pissbaby shitheel fuckface morons hate them, it's that Templin Institute has "Gone Woke". The primary source of complaint for them seems to be that the Templin Institute asserted, accurately (if pointlessly, IMO) that Female Space Marines are entirely possible, if Games Workshop (the people who own Warhammer 40k) really wanted them, they could just change the lore. Under the cut for more details and context on that hot mess.

For those of you not familiar with this bit of interminable nonsense, in the Wargame (and associated setting that contains books, video games, TTRPGs and I believe at least one board game) Warhammer 40k, there exists a class of unit called a "Space Marine" which are genetically enhanced supersoldiers that are the flagship characters of the 40k universe. They get the most models made for them, the most narrative focus, etc.

Space Marines are, generally, made by taking candidates who pass a pretty grueling battery of tests, and grafting all sorts of extra organs into them that, if they survive, turns them into transhuman superpeople that are like ten feet tall, super strong/fast/etc and then gives them a pretty long lifespan. Space Marines are very, very. very, very skilled warriors and often deploy in 100-man companies that are often capable of turning the tide of planetary wars all on their own.

In-universe, the reason that Space Marines are all dudes isn't that the Imperium doesn't think women can't fight (the Imperium, as a whole, just cares if you hate the alien, the mutant and the heretic and can hold a lasgun when they conscript you into the Imperial Guard, and yes I'm oversimplifying) but that the process to create the Space Marines was made by the God-Emperor thousands of years ago using his own genes (or something like that) so they didn't work on women at the time - and the big E is on life support and has been for most of those thousands of years, and science and technology don't really advance much in-universe because it's a crapsack world setting (40k's fandom invented the word Grimdark, for reference), so even if someone was inclined to try and improve on the God Emperor's work, it would be hard to.

All of this is of course, arbitrary, because Games Workshop writes the lore. They've retconned things before, and these days their official position on 'canon' is that all published materials are from nominally in-universe sources and thus potentially biased or inaccurate. And they have had a guy named Cawl create an improved 'Primaris Space Marine' after thousands of years of work (though to be fair, in some quarters, the Primaris Space Marines went over like a lead balloon), so Templin Institute's point was that Games Workshop could say 'actually female space marines are possible because no one realized it before' or 'someone invented a way to make them possible' which is true.

This comment pissed off a bunch of idiots, most of whom are the sort of crypto/quasi/open (it does vary) fascists (or their technically apolitical buddies that give them cover) that give the rest of 40k's player base a bad name. And so they whined that Templin Institute 'went woke'.

Personally, I agree with Templin on this, but I also think this is a stupid argument and people who really want female space marines should just stop engaging with 40k and find a better game/setting to be into, because the Warhammer 40k game and setting is a horrible, terrible, noxious steaming pile of incoherent trash that should have been left on the ash heap of gaming decades ago to be replaced by better stuff.

And I say this as someone who has bought several Warhammer 40k video games, would like to buy at least one more, played some 40k-set TTRPGs a few times, reads some of the 40k novels and spends more time than she'd like to admit (that is, any) reading the 40k Lexicanum (a fan wiki). I will fully concede that the 40k game/setting is a compelling pile of trash, but it still is a pile of trash.

[whereserpentswalk]

Imagine what neoliberal propaganda articles look like in various evil empires.

"Women in Sauron's army. How female orcs have helped create a more inclusive global conquest." - The Mordor Examiner

"How the death star program is revitalizing the galactic economy." - The Coruscant Times

"Despite progressive cries to "Free Arrakis" situation with House Harkonnen more complicated then most people think." - The Corrino Fund

"How the anti imperial rabbit hole can easily lead to people to pro choas views." - Ultramar Today

[leveractionlesbian]

im usually all for pirating books and being very hands-off with an IP but oh my gosh i want GW to sue so bad

[madame-helen]

[ghostinthegallery]

Since you know a lot about necrons lore do you know stuff about the old ones. I heard the reason the didn't gave the necrontyr anything was because the necrontyr were conquers.

I can firmly say I know everything there is to know about the 40k Old Ones! Which is precisely nothing, there's hardly any canon information.

I do joke about Magic Space Frogs because in Warhammer fantasy we actually do know what the Old Ones look like and they are much more active in that lore. Non ascended old ones are running around, doing magic, deciding death is inconvenient, being frogs, etc. They created a bunch of the races, and particularly the lizardmen to fight chaos and enact their Grand Plan (while being kinda vague on what that plan actually is. Sometimes it involves helping other factions, sometimes they will wipe out entire races.) It's not out of the question to assume the Old Ones are similar to the chaos gods in how they relate to fantasy and 40k. Similar entities but not the same characters. However that's purely speculation.

As for why the Old Ones refused to grant the necrontyr immortality, it kind of varies by source. If you just go by the codex summaries and some of the games, yes, they refused a conquering race's demand for immortality. But reading the necron books, I got a very different vibe. They weren't demanding immortality, they wanted to be cured of their horrible, painful, fatal disease. The immortality entered the picture with the c'tan and their offer to help the necrontyr avenge themselves on the gods who abandoned them.

As for why the sources differ, my theory is that it's because the codexes are very much from an Imperial POV. It's what humanity knows about these factions, and basically everything the Imperium knows about the necrons comes from the aeldar. The necrons oldest enemies. The space elves miiiiiiight be a little biased in their interpretation of history.

Anyway, my bias is that I'm a massive old ones anti and that will never change 🤣 I don't care about the government. Average necrontyr didn't vote for their Phaeron! If you leave billions of people to die horribly of preventable disease, you suck and I hope a star god eats your face.

[stainlesssteellocust]

Warhammer 40000 canonical furries confirmed 👀

[kitsune-pop]

you've gotta be kidding me how TF do the warhammer orks have a better currency system than we do this is stupid

[actualadvocacybruh]

Watched an anti sjw moron review Space Marine 2 …

The first thing out of his mouth was accusing an Ultramarine of heresy for having dark skin

This is a heresy in itself as it implies an Angel of the Emperor can be corrupted which is blatantly false

He also said it has no story …..

His claims continue as he says he knows nothing of Warhamner but feels like he can comment on the accuracy of the world itself

He claims all space marines should look exactly like their primarchs … this is false as only a few legions have such issues with their gene seed and the ultramarines are not one of them (raven guard, salamander, alpha legion and blood angels are the ones with such gene seed)

Literal tourist shit and he will be burned for the witch he is when the inquisition hears of his sins

Game is good btw if you like a coop hack and slash or are a fan of warhamner it’s worth the pay in and I saw that as a proud son of Dorn (not known for our leisure time or fun making)

[threegayraccons]

If you ever think you are as anti-AI as you can be, remember there is always the Adeptus Mechanicus.

Praise be the Omnissiah.

(Btw the art is mine)

[robot-roadtrip-rants]

me: huh, I wonder what Tumblr looks like today.

activity: 90

me: what the fuck

y'all really liked Vampire Angel Jesus calling Robo-Skelly King "Snookums," huh. Well here's another scene for you:

Picture the Vengeful Spirit. The walls are covered in blood, shit, and mind-breaking symbols. Sanguinius, bent, battered, but not yet broken, lies sprawled across the floor. He is soaked in blood but still somehow beautiful, like those homoerotic paintings of St. Sebastian that were clearly based on someone's boyfriend. Horus--correction, the Chaos gods wearing Horus like a condom, the actual Horus kinda stopped being relevant a while ago--looms over him. He's probably laughing maniacally. Honestly, I'd be disappointed if he wasn't. He lifts his claw to strike the final blow--

BOOM.

The Silent King explodes through the wall like the grimmest, darkest, Kool-Aid Man ever to exist. The C'tan shards are blazing. The praetorians are clinging to their stands for dear life undeath souless digital immortality. Strategically-placed fans are blowing to make sure that Szarekh's cape flaps around in the most regal/intimidating way possible. In a voice that has not been heard for eons, the Silent King roars,

"BITCH I EAT GODS FOR BREAKFAST!!!!"

By the time Emps makes it to the room Chaos is defeated, Horus is dead, and his Fabulous Fucking Hawkboy is furiously making out with The Worst Xenos Possible.

[thewenglishwarlock]

Second diorama done (sort of) I'm trying to figure out if I put walls on the back made out of some pipe.

But yeah fem space marine facing off against a little nurgle kitbash I put together out of some spare bits and bobs I had lying around

what do we think?

[nando161mando]

"War is a racket" (EN: English)

[whereserpentswalk]

"Christianity can totally be pro queer" or "the Bible isn't actually homophobic if you just interpret this in this one secret way" is inherently a harmful take. Because it presumes that gay people have to be accepted by Christianity inorder to have rights.

The answer to whether or not or not the Bible supports queer rights should be that it doesn't matter. The idea that we need to be approved by the Bible to have rights is a presumption that's always going to make every right we have a negotiation with cishet people.

Also, I legitimately don't think there's an answer to whether the Bible supports queer rights or not because I'm not Christian and thus don't believe the Bible to have one true meaning. It's just an ancient book, written by humans, over hundreds of years, with no single author. It's like compiling everything written under the Warhammer license, adding in some fanfic for good measure, and arguing over its stance on social issues.

For me personally my polytheism means I especially don't care about what any holy book has to say about homosexuality. Even if it was written by a god I can choose to condemn that god for their beliefs just like I would a human. I accept that there are some gods who I shouldn't interact with just like there are some people I shouldn't interact with.

Remember that the correct response to someone justify their bigotry with religion, is not to start debating their religion, its to tell them their religion is irrelevant. Like, if you think supporting queer people will send you to hell then go to hell about it.

[farsight-the-char]

This can only end in Pleasantness.

Also banning AI Art in the most flavorful way. 10/10.

[weliveinhell]

New rule for myself:

No more reading Space Marine novels just because they have Tau as antagonists. No matter how desperate for new Tau lore/action scenes I am.

It's just going to piss me off with the blatant favoritism. I'm not asking for every book to be the Tau version of Storm of Iron but ffs if Chaos can put up a damn good fight can the Tau be written with them putting up some damn resistance using their strengths for once?

[grimlocksword]

Henry Cavill REJECTS Woke Warhammer 40K Agenda + Helldivers 2 DESTROYS W...