#Anti vegan

[whitebluewhitefem]

Why is it a controversial take to say women shouldn't prioritise a chicken's life over their own? Veganism is not feminist, full stop. I get it, I feel bad for the animals too, but the world isn't all sunshine and rainbows, and as omnivores humans need animal products to be strong and not malnourished. Women are raised to be overly empathetic to anything other than themselves. You can't buy into this self-destruction, be on an EXTREMELY restrictive diet, and call yourself a radical feminist. I thought we were fighting diet culture here.

I will go to the gym and eat a steak for every woman that diets herself into being tiny and weak and skinny, don't @ me. A female human being is not a fucking squirrel. Be in a misogynistic cult if you want to, but don't shame other women for not joining it.

[insufferablefirehazard]

[allthatispeculiar]

[madame-helen]

[you-need-not-apply]

once met a vegan who wouldn't even look at me after i told her my slippers were rabbit fur... she scrubbed her hands and all... she didn't even touch them but being in the same room was apparently enough?? Please note, I am Australian. Rabbits are pests and a highly invasive species that kill native species through habitat destruction and over population, they need to be culled.

[eebledeeble]

ngl the amount of time and effort vegans put into arguing with people over dietary choices (which have 0 impact on anyone but themselves) instead of devoting time to literally anything that could actually accomplish something is a little weird

like why do you make 5 vegan smugposts on reddit a day. there are still people who think that circumcision is normal and who have no concept of class consciousness. i just don't understand why veganism of all things is the hill people choose to die on.

kinda makes me think you value egojerking more than human life tbh

[joshfutturmanirl]

i'm eating chicken tenders right now!

[murder0fcrow]

Thinkin about how you can use blood as a egg substitute in baking which doesn't make it vegan but does make it wonderfully macabre

[hole34]

btw it's okay to be a vegan and to *have* to eat something made with animal products if absolutely necessary

if you're poor and your ONLY access to food is something that has dairy or meat in it, it's okay.

like i never go out of my way to buy or ask for meat or milk or cheese, but if i am currently at a point where i absolutely do not have any food and my only access is a donated lasagna or whatever, i am going to eat it. i do not support it but i also don't believe in letting food that has been given away or discarded go to waste * if it is my only option. *

being poor or in poverty is absolutely not your fault and some things about that life are going to be very unideal, but that doesn't mean your morals are any weaker or any less respectable.

[the-oddest-inkling]

Vegans: "Eating meat is so wrong. It's murder."

Also Vegans: "Legalize Abortion!!!!1!"

Like, do you even hear yourself?

[roseamoungstthethorns]

A take on veganism

While veganism can do good on the world, It's current climate is toxic and unhealthy.

There is no act an individual can to that will effect the level of harm that corporations cause

The especially white vegan view of you have to be fully vegan in everything you consume is toxic, unethical, and often in achievable.

Plastic leather (pleather or vegan leather) is horrible for the environment and your wallet. It sheds a ridiculous amount of plastic products into the environment and does not hold up with time causing you to have to buy more and more. This of course causes more plastic in the environment and more expenses to you.

Most leather is used as a byproduct from cows killed for the meat industry meaning these cows would still be killed if you did not consume leather as they are skilled for hamburger etc. and then instead of discarding their skin it is used for a durable environmentally friendly product.

In again, especially white vegans, the bid to not consume any animal products leads to more harm than good in cases.

Foods like quinoa (grain that has amino acids and protein) and agave (common substitute for honey) harm farmers and the countries who rely on them due to vegans driving up global demand.

Many vegans will boycott honey as it is derived from bees, but will still consume almond milk. This is hypocritical as bees are not harmed in the production of honey, buy are harmed in the transportation to and pollinating of almond groves.

The crazy vegan stereotype turns people away from veganism and decreased animal consumption. The over the top, angry, all or nothing type creates hatred towards the vegan community steating people away from it which creates the opposite effect that it is trying to.

Critic of concepts such as meatless Monday hurts everyone. Most people can't or aren't willing to be vegan or vegetarian but concepts such as meatless Mondays allows for less meat to be cooked when it otherwise would be.

The idea that vegan or vegetarian diets are cheaper is false. This is only true if your diet is mainly beans and rice, but that is not how almost everyone eats. Produce, and dairy and meat substitutes are more expensive than animal products. Furthermore in food deserts or countries/areas where vegan/vegetarian lifestyles aren't common it may be next to impossible to not consume animal products due to low availability and high price.

Most vegans and vegetarians will allow for medications that include animal products, but those who don't create an unsafe space for people who rely on them.

Medications is not the only reason to need to consume animal products and this is where the real danger lies. Any condition that causes a restrictive diet poses a risk in restricting more. Yes, veganism and vegetarism are restrictive diets. Some, but definitely not all, are chron's, gerd, ANY ED, needing to tube feed, IBS, colonoscopy bag users, people on a liquid diet, and much more. Talk to your healthcare provider please before attempting vegan or vegetarian lifestyles if you have any of these types of issues. The vegan movement shames people who rely on animal products to stay healthy and that is dangerous.

Racism plays into the vegan movement as well. Many, again, especially white, vegans shame cultures who use animals. Cultures and traditions who care for animals, use all their parts, farm, and take care of their land and animals are much better than traditionally western practices and the need for veganism is no longer needed. The animals and land are cared for and treated respectfully. Veganism would do more harm than good here.

There us a line between ethical and unethical veganism, however the line is blurred. Knowing when it does more harm than good is not often enough talked about and I believe it's important that unethical veganism is talked about more.

Some ways to help promote ethical living besides veganism

Freegan. A freegan is vegan with the exception to animal products that would otherwise be discarded.

Ethical consumption. Buy from local farmers. Start a community garden. Have your own chickens for eggs. Etc.

Trade and barter. This works around capitalism which is a driving factor towards unethical animal practices.

Support indigenous people. They know how to care for the land and the animals. Importantly their rights have been abused and violated and we need to support them as well.

Shop local. This keeps money out of the hands of big corporations. As well as being environmentally friendly due to less co2 emissions.

Reduce reuse recycle. Start by reducing the products use consume. Then reuse what you can as much as you can. Finally recycle everything you can. This is the order that makes the smallest imprint.

Pescitarian. The only meat pescitarians consume is fish.

Vegetarian. Vegetarians consume animal products but not animals. This can include eggs, but not chickens, milk, but not cow, honey, silk etc. Lakto-vegitarians consume dairy but not eggs and ovo-vegitarians consume eggs but not dairy.

Cutting out any type of meat or animal products.

Only consuming foods that are ethically produced in regards to the environment, animals, and/or humans

Feel free to add more

Remember your health comes first, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, any change is better than no change.

TL;DR Veganism has problems and isn't the end all be all of ethicality. Reduce consumption in general in the ways you can. Remember your health comes first.

[insufferablefirehazard]

I think we as humans need to realize how privileged we are to be born into a human body.

Sure, I've seen a lot of people wishing how they could be a cat, dog or wolf just so they could be cute and taken care of and relax all day.

But let's remember that most non-human animals aren't so privileged.

Not only are pets often neglected and abused, but if you had been born into the body of a fish, a pig, a cow, a chicken?

Your life is seen as worthless - a means to an end. Fish are often not even regarded as living sentient beings, just decorations or food.

Pigs get their tails cut off, chickens get their beaks cut, often living in their own shit and piss. Cows get their babies stolen so you can drink their breast milk or eat cheese. And at the end of the day their lives are ended by being gassed, electrocuted, having their throat slit.

Thank your lucky stars for being born into the human body because your life could've been much much worse.

[unityrain24]

hate when boot companies are like "we are Environmentally Friendly because we don't use real animal leather!" What do you mean environmentally friendly!!! that means you are using synthetic fake leather!! plastic is NOT environmentally friendly!!!!!

[demiaroacejadeharley]

Vegans really piss me off. The majority of them are able bodied people who are slowly killing themselves for the sake of being "healthier". You putting yourself at risk of malnutrition by cutting out animal products ain't going to save the planet or end animal cruelty. Please eat a burger. Your "healthy" lifestyle is just an eating disorder in disguise.

[bea-l-zebul]

Hot take: Veganism Is the antithesis of anti-consumerism.

Like seriously, that “Just Egg” mystery goop is 38 cents per ounce for their 12 ounce bottle

A 16 ounce carton of egg beaters is 32 cents per ounce, and you get 4 more ounces than the vegan crap.

A jackfruit (used as a pork alternative) is 64 dollars for a 7 pound fruit you may or may not like, that’s 9.14 a pound, and potentially a lot of food waste

You could buy an 8.5 pound pork shoulder for 15 dollars, that’s 1.76 per pound, and pork is pork, as long as you cook it right it tastes good and is unlikely to be wasted.

Granted these are the prices in my area, plus the vegan items used aren’t usually found in your typical ACME or ShopRite, and usually require shipping and handling as well, but my point still stands. It’s cheaper to be able to pick up a steak from ShopRite than having to seek out the Vegan option at a specialty store or order it online. On top of that all vegans need to supplement, and those pills aren’t cheap either.

Basically what I’m saying is that “vegan”and “anti-capitalist/ anti-consumerism” are in fact mutually exclusive and cannot coexist.

And I’m about to piss off the militant vegans by pointing this very simple fact out.

[vegan-butch]

"vegans should use wool!" and tell me what do you think "vegan" means? It's not just "someone who treats animals real niceies" I'll tell you that