#AMA 2016

[viperflowerdesign]

Selena Gomez at American Music Awards' carpet 2016. She's wearing Prada.

[periwinkle-the-11th]

NO TRUMP NO KKK NO FASCIST USA!!!!!

[greendayauthority]

"No Trump, no KKK, no fascist USA!"

Bang Banng | American Music Awards | Microsoft Theater | Los Angeles, CA | 20 November 2016

[cxoxodeluxe]

CAMILA at the 2016 AMERICAN MUSIC AWARDS

[tvckerwash]

watching people discover the fucked up science guy part of viktor's lore and then being like "we need to acknowledge that he's a fucked up science guy 😔" is so funny. like yeah, he is a fucked up science guy who thinks ethics committees are bullshit because in his mind having rights temporarily violated is perfectly fine if it means saving lives—especially when the ones condemning his beliefs don't offer what they consider to be an ethical alternative to fix the problem and simply let it continue to exist.

and yeah, he's a fucked up science guy who experimented on himself following a, quote: traumatic period of introspection. he had a mental breakdown, fell into a major depressive episode, and spending this horrible time of his life "alone in the depths" reinforced and radicalized his previous beliefs, and to showcase his beliefs (and to try and get rid of his emotions because of how overwhelming they were) he turned himself into a cyborg (and did in fact make himself worse in certain ways but ehh who cares /j).

and yeah, he's a fucked up science guy who gave a kid back alley anti anxiety meds so he could face down his bullies, but he did so after making him a cozy beverage, teaching him about the dangers of propaganda and baseless rumors, and having him scream into a megaphone to freak out said bullies because it was funny (not that he'd admit to finding it funny because then he'd have to admit to having emotions, and well he can't do that, no sir).

so yes, viktor is a fucked up science guy, but that's half his charm! he cares so much about helping people, but he's a weirdo and freak about it! though to be fair, in the city that also has a chemically enhanced werewolf (warwick), a sentient blob of goo (zac), a wind and water goddess (janna), and a literal war criminal who invented chemical warfare (singed), among many other wacky individuals, he's pretty normal all things considered! fucked up science is just a part of life in zaun, my dudes!

[the-run-and-go]

[amatres]

most formative memory of 2016 for me was probably when i was on a bus driving away to be at the nearby community college for a fair hearing that the rest of my high school was going under lock down because of a bomb/shooting threat

[herawell]

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[tayloralisonswift]

god telling taylor to skip the amas and procrastinate announcing rep tv just to troll the new “swifties” who hated her in 2016

[taylorklosscomeout138]

EXCUSE ME?!?!?

But what are the odds that Harley Gusman, RUBY ROSE'S EX GIRLFRIEND WHO WORKED IN MODELING AND WHO SPENT THE WHOLE DAY LIKING AND REPLYING TO COMMENTS ABT KAYLOR????? posts that 4th of July Kaylor leak on the 13th, 13 days before the AMAs then implies she did that intentionally AND..........

It has been rumoured Taylor will announce a re-recording at the AMAs which is on May 26th, the date that the KARma MV premiered in 2023 and TN literally made a whole KARma is real montage that they posted the SAME day today???????????

And I'm supposed to believe this isn't all connected and planned????

Oh but here's another layer, because my discord friend a couple days ago before all this was discussing their suspicion and evidence that Taylor will announce an album at the AMAs and release it on.. get this... THE 4TH OF JULY. Which is a MUSIC FRIDAY. And they think Taylor wants to use this date to symbolically reclaim her independence.

So what if the reason the 4th of July party clip was posted today is because 13 days from now at the AMAs Taylor is announcing her next album which will be released on the 4th of July??? Is that too obvious?? Or just obvious enough??

And if so what do we think she would release next out of the 3 options?

1. Rep TV (KARma as the vault tracks)

2. TS12 (The new Karma the album)

3. Debut TV (throw a curveball and somehow all these Karma clues leads to back to the start of it all)

I also cannot stress enough that Harley CLEARLY is a Kaylor and knows Kaylor is real firsthand. And her relationship with Ruby Rose is likely why she was at the party

Here is a rehash of Harley Kayloring on main after deliberately drawing attention to Karlie being in the video by cutting the original clip right when Karlie is shown:

And THIS is her confirming she cannot verbally say she signed an NDA but she can imply she did

Because THIS is the face she made after saying "It's 2016... who signs NDAs.... did I sign an NDA??"

And then proceeded to like a comment that called out that she was implying she signed an NDA and this video was only released now because she got PERMISSION.

This is actually crazy I cannot wait to see what happens at the AMAs I surely hope this doesn't all lead to nothing but we'll see!!!

[avendjarin]

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introducing my fame dr !

“crowd goes wild at her fingertips, half moonshine, a full eclipse”

aven paige ⭒ singer, songwriter, director, producer, and occasional actress. the biggest popstar in the world who shows no signs of slowing down.

gender: female

age: 33

sexuality: bisexual

languages: english, french, and spanish

“i’m working late, ‘cause i’m a singer, oh, he looks so cute wrapped ‘round my finger”

career ⭒ emerging in 2008, Paige quickly became one of the hottest names in music, and winning album of the year for her debut album Psycho proved she was here to stay. the singer began her career in rock music, but incorporated more and more pop elements before making a full genre shift in her fourth album 1989. following the tour for that same album, Paige appeared to have finally reached the top, but paradise never lasts. amidst rumours and controversy, the singer disappeared in late 2016.

…until the 2017 AMAs, when a ‘surprise guest’ had been teased all night, Paige returned with a momentous performance. with a darker aesthetic and music that continued her pop direction, but incorporated her early rock sound, suddenly almost every music award show had a surprise performance from the singer.

she was officially back in, and with tougher skin than ever before. now, in early 2023, Aven Paige finds herself about to embark on what would soon become the highest grossing tour ever. having long regained the public’s adoration, found the man of her dreams, and broken seemingly every music record— this superstar still seems to have only just gotten started.

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[tundrafloe]

Noel:  "Over the years I've trained my hair to do what I say and it's usually well behaved. I often reward my hair with special treats when it pleases me."

(Reddit AMA, 2016)

[hicanlatamadim]

Sahnede olsun solosuna cesaret edemeyen biri olarak çok güzel çaldığınız söyleyebilirim yine de neden hep cover yapıyorsunuz ki kendi yazdığınız şeyleri paylaşsanız

Aslında kendi yayınladığım albümlerde var. Fakat müzik ajansıyla yaşadığım bazı sorunlardan dolayı yayından kaldırıldı. Üzücü bir durum.

Yoksa ilk orjinal albümümü 2016 yılında dağıttım. Benim için başarısızlıkla sonuçlandı. Çok niş bir kitle düzenli olarak dinledi ama yayılmadı. Artık ciddi olarak kendimi yazmaya adayacak bir güç hissetmiyorum kendimde. Özellikle yalnız olduğum için sanırsam. Hep tek başımaydım. Kanal kanal kayıt alarak bir eser yapmak başta zor ama eğlenceliydi. Şimdi ise klavyeyi çalıp gitara geçip onu da kaydedip bass gitara geçince yavaş yavaş yıprandığımı hissediyorum ve geriye yüzlerce yarım kalmış proje çöplüğü kalıyor.

Birlikte çalışabileceğim birileri olsaydı eminim daha çok iş yapardım. İzmirde bile kendime birlerini bulamamışken muğlanın bu dağında da zor bulurum diyorum. O yüzden artık aramıyorumda. Hep cover devam gibi duruyor. Belki akustik niş içerikler gelebilir bir vokalist bulursam falan.

[sophieinwonderland]

A Roadmap and Why Anti-Endos Are Getting Left Behind

A recent post of mine was controversial and has been making waves. That post was the short un-nuanced version of a pro-endo future that's coming. It was phrased to sound threatening and inflammatory because it feels like that's all anti-endos will listen to anymore. But now that I've successfully gotten your attention, let's talk seriously about what's been set into motion, why it's bad for anti-endos, and why there's absolutely nothing you can do to stop it.

Positions on endogenic plurality in psychiatry

The nature of DID has been the subject of much debate within the psychiatric community for a long time. Most experts have agreed that the cause of DID is virtually always trauma. (Although many doctors are hesitant to assert this cause 100% of the time because edge cases can exist with anything.) But there's a smaller group that views it as sociogenic or iatrogenic, being caused by suggestion or doctors themselves.

I tend to agree with the majority.

But that majority group that believes DID itself is caused by trauma has also consistently acknowledged that there are, or at least could be, other forms of plurality beyond DID. This includes Dr. Colin Ross, who in the 90s speculated that there could be a non-pathological endogenous form of multiplicity. This was also echoed by Kluft, another DID expert who holds the traumagenic view of DID.

In the early 2010s, the creators of the theory of structural dissociation mentioned in a paper that mediumship and hypnosis may involve self-conscious dissociative parts of the personality.

By 2019, the World Health Organization's ICD-11's DID entry stated that you can experience multiple distinct personality states without a disorder.

Every source you can find about endogenic and non-disordered plurality either affirms it as a real thing or is at least neutral on it.

There is no hard anti-endo papers in psychiatry or psychology.

You can look through peer reviewed sources if you want for a single one that supports the idea that all plurality is traumagenic, and I promise that you won't find one.

A growing trend in research.

Like I said, in the 90s, there were a couple doctors talking about non-pathological multiplicity as something that may or may not exist. But this was largely un-studied. Later, this phenomenon got more attention, but there were no studies into non-pathological multiplicity, outside of spiritual possession, until 2016 with Varieties of Tulpa Experiences.

That was only 8 years ago.

The year after, in 2017, came a small interview study into online multiples that concluded this:

2018 saw the publication of Transgender Mental Health by The American Psychiatric Association, which asserted plurality could be non-traumagenic.

And again, 2019 saw the ICD-11 worded to say that one could experience the presence of multiple distinct personality states without a disorder.

There have been so many studies conducted in the intervening years that this post would go on forever were I to list them all.

If you want to see more, you can look at Guardians Systems' doc. Progress is happening at a rapid pace with new studies published every year.

This leads us to the next big milestone... actual fMRI research and brain scans. Because THAT'S HAPPENING.

Stanford University conducted a massive $50k study (not including the payment to researchers themselves) into tulpa systems, and the people running those studies recently did an AMA about it on Reddit.

The results are promising, showing neurological changes during possession. (Possession is a tulpamancy term for a headmate taking control over a single part of the body without fronting.)

Once this is published, it's only going to further pique interest in tulpamancy and endogenic plurality in psychology.

Are you scared yet? Because Rod Dreher is...

Rod Dreher is a transphobic conservative pundit and reactionary. I'll preface this by saying it's unclear how much of his fear is legitimate and how much is playing to a transphobic base as a way of saying "look what these liberals are doing now." Personally, I think it's probably a bit of both.

I'll be linking the archived version to avoid giving him clicks.

What conservative pundit Rod Dreher believes is that tulpamancy and plurality are going to be the next frontier of identity politics, as he makes the case for here.

He's of course NOT in support of this, but he's afraid of it.

And he's not wrong either.

In another quote from the AMA, Dr. Lifshitz mentions how much interest he gets from colleagues when he discusses tulpamancy.

The awareness of plurality and interest in it in medical spaces is rapidly spreading, and current studies do show tulpamancy improves mental health.

While it would be easy to dismiss Dreher's predictions as typical conservative fearmongering, the current trends clearly support what he's predicting.

He may be on the wrong side of the debate, but he can see the same signs and trends I do.

Plural Acceptance In Therapy

As said above, studies have shown thus far that tulpamancy is healthy, as are other forms of plurality. Plural awareness and interest is spreading quickly through academic circles.

And in one interview, Lifshitz mentions that they're interested in using research into tulpamancy to develop better DID treatment.

This will take a while to apply, and I don't know when they'll start using knowledge from tulpamancy in clinical settings, but there's a good chance that within the next decade, this research into tulpamancy may start to influence the treatment of DID systems.

How this will manifest is still unclear. Perhaps it won't go further than the advanced inner world exercises tulpamancers use to immerse themselves in inner worlds to communicate with tulpas.

But... a number of DID systems with tulpas have reported positive benefits from creating tulpas to help their systems. So maybe we'll see studies into using tulpamancy to intentionally make alters for DID systems and see how that benefits their mental health. If results are positive, this could be used in treatment.

Speaking of which, we're probably also going to see studies into having singlets create tulpas intentionally.

They're already having children make imagined companions, and have recorded these imagined companions are able to act seemingly autonomously, possessing their own thoughts and feelings.

This research cited research into tulpamancy, and suggested future studies should be carried out on adults to see if there are benefits.

I can already see the path from having adult singlets make tulpas to test for benefits of plurality, and then to testing on DID systems to see if this could be used to help strengthen communication in those systems.

And if these studies are done and the methods are proven effective and put into practice, anti-endos won't even know that the methods that are being used to treat them were derived from tulpamancy studies.

But as more anti-endos are being treated by therapists who are working to get them into healthier mindsets, it's likely you'll see a trickle down from the opinions of therapists to their patients, helping dismantle their bigotry towards endogenic systems and internalized pluralphobia.

If you're anti-endo and have seen other anti-endos complaining that their therapists seem pro-endo, know that it only gets worse from here.

Plural Acceptance and Gender

Plurality is also likely to become an increasingly big thing in topics around gender.

Just last year in 2023, we saw a study into the intersection of living as plural and transgender.

This study also marked a major milestone for plurals, being the first time ever that a system name (The Redwoods) was used as an author on an academic paper. Authors in this study worked across multiple universities, a hospital, and a gender wellness center.

This will almost definitely not be the last.

Additionally, we've lately been seeing live gender conferences with plural speakers speaking about plurality and this intersection. No longer is this community based entirely online.

Plural acceptance is going to quickly spread within the LGBT community. And anti-endos will be tolerated in those spaces less and less.

A Stranglehold on Resources

Another reason anti-endos are going to lose is because most resources are already pro-endo. Simply Plural and Pluralkit both support endogenic systems, with Simply Plural having links discussing endogenic plurality, linking young systems to the information.

There have been anti-endo attempts at breaking this stranglehold, but it always comes down to copying a more popular pro-endo thing and making it more hateful and exclusive, and it never gets close to enough traction.

Anti-endos contribute nothing to the community and are reliant on pro-endo resources, and every person they suggest Simply Plural to brings them closer to those pro-endo articles from The Plural Association.

Confidence in Being Out as Plural Means Plural Role Models

I don't know who these role models will be. Aimkid came out as a DID system and is pro-endo. Unfortunately, anti-endos have had success in bullying Aimkid off of social media.

But some studies have shown about 3% of the population is plural, only about half of which have DID, and I believe the real numbers are actually much higher.

As plural acceptance increases, it's only a matter of time before you start seeing some of your favorite celebrities come out as plural.

It's only a matter of time before plurals have their equivalent of "The Puppy Episode" where Ellen came out as lesbian on television.

I can't predict when this will happen. Things like that tend to come out of the blue. But I do believe it will happen and when it does, plurality will suddenly be pushed to the mainstream conversation.

This is Going to Quickly Become a Left-Right Issue

When plurality hits the mainstream, conservatives will fiercely oppose it. Because of the way reactions tend to work, that means liberals are going to fiercely defend it. Each side feeds into the other and results in more support in liberal spaces and more opposition in conservatives ones.

I'm not going to sugarcoat this. If you stand by bigotry in these liberal spaces, especially queer spaces, you're going to find your social circle shrinking unless you keep that bigotry to yourself. When this is part of the national conversation, you will find yourself cutoff by people you care about and spaces you previously would be accepted.

Intolerance to plural systems of any kind will no longer be tolerated. There will be no safe space for hate in those communities.

And with the overwhelming science and doctors supporting the existence of non-disordered and endogenic systems, with the support of the psych community, anti-endos will soon find themselves regarded the same way we regard anti-vaxxers and flat-Earthers in liberal spaces.

A Choice to Make

You're not doomed. This isn't hopeless. You can make a change.

System medicalism is The Titanic but you have life rafts you can hop on before it goes down.

Plenty of anti-endos have changed their ways. But if you stay on your current course, this is where it ends. You either maintain your bigotry, as you're cast out of queer communities, watching endogenic plurality infiltrate your favorite media, and with therapists who are pro-endo, all while your own hate and isolation destroy you...

Or you can choose to be better before it's too late. Because the longer you maintain your hate, the more people you hurt along the way, the more guilt you'll carry with you after you break away.

Or... I guess there's a secret third thing. A worse choice. You could join with the Rod Drehers of the world, because the Alt-Right will probably accept you gladly if you're willing to toe the party line, and turn against both fellow systems and the queer community.

I'm sure they would love systems with internalized pluralphobia who speak out against a plural future that they can hold up as examples, the same way they love homophobic gay people like Milo Yiannopoulos.

If that's what you want to be, I suppose that's an option too. 🤷‍♀️

If you do make right choice...

You can find acceptance. Your past mistakes won't be held against you.

Admitting that you're wrong and choosing to be better can be scary. But that's no excuse to continue down a path of hate.

If you do choose to make a change, we can build a plural future together. One where we won't have to hide or fear discrimination for being plural.

One where future plural children won't have to grow up feeling crazy and hating themselves and their headmates for being different, and they'll have real people to look up to who have been where they are.

My Part...

For myself, I'm going to do everything I can to push this future forward, to help bring it about. This future is an inevitability. But the more of us that spread awareness of the science and what's happening, the sooner it gets here.

But with or without my involvement... anti-endos... you're losing. Bit by bit, every single day, and you don't even realize it because you're surrounded by an echo chamber that refuses to see the reality of what's happening.

But We see it. Dr. Lifshitz sees it. Even conservative Rod Dreher sees it.

And you are so far behind in this battle that there's no way you can possibly prevent what is coming. Maybe you could have stopped it had you started paying attention half a decade ago. But you've walled yourselves off from anything that contradicted your worldview and that willful ignorance has left you playing catch-up.

Your echo chamber will tell you that you're safe to keep being who you are, to keep spreading hate and hurting innocent people because of what we are. That the future I promise won't happen. They'll tell you to ignore all the signs.

But the reality is that the world is changing and the future is plural, and you are going to have to make a choice.

I sincerely hope you will choose the right thing. But for those who don't...

Well, like I said, it's up to you. I can't stop you from choosing hate. I'm not going to try to make you into a better person either. That's up to you.

But I think you at least deserve to know what's happening and how it will end up affecting you if you don't make a change.

[bringthekaos]

Hey! Just wanted to say that I'm loving your Divorce Era fics! Finished Pulse of the Machine a bit ago and I'm working my way through the rest. You do such a great job of blending all versions of Viktor's lore - OG, 2016, Arcane - into something that feels natural, exciting, and so very Viktor! And you even managed to incorporate some of the more controversial aspects of his 2016 lore while still maintaining his characterization! (something Riot chose to sacrifice for the sake of establishing the general feel of League's factions). As someone who played League for years and loved OG Viktor, it's so nice to see his pre-Arcane elements being included in the Jayvik community. Your work has been so fun to read, and just- Aaaaaaaah!! Words are failing me! Thank you for sharing your work with all of us! P.S. I hope you do decide to make a sequel to Pulse, since you've set it up so nicely for one! (How do they free Viktor from his condition? What is Renata going to do with that Hexcore-harvested plant venom? What shenanigans do Cait and Vi get up to on their Council-ordered leave? (Love how you write those two together too!))

So sorry this took me so long to answer, but I was literally speechless. Just… thank you so much!!! This means so much to me! I’ve still never played League, I only got into all of this in ‘21 when season 1 came out, but I really did fall in love with Viktor’s (and Jayce’s!) game lore, and did my best to learn all about it! There are elements of both that I love (for instance I adore Talis and lean a little more heavily toward Talis than Gio, but I do still love Gio and his bitter divorced dad energy). And I kinda just melded the two together in a way that I hoped was smooth and genuine, and to know that I succeeded? From someone who has been following the lore long before I ever got here?? It makes me wanna break down and cry with gratitude. I really do wish they had kept the Machine Herald, and I’m still salty about it. And for a while, I was super depressed thinking I could never again write MH because he doesn’t exist anymore.

But then I decided that he’s mine now, haha. I will keep him alive by continuing to write him. Which leads me to the second portion of your ask! I still would love to write a sequel to Pulse, I did have some plot bunnies marinating in my head for it, but I never really solidified it. It was more just a collection of scenes than a fully fleshed out plot. But hopefully one day!! I loved writing Renata, and I would actually also love to work in Naph and Ama, if possible. I’m obsessed with the idea that both those kids took one look at this fucked up, emotionally repressed and lonely asshole and basically did this…

Fucking priceless.

Anyhoo, thank you again for such kind words, you made my whole year already and it’s only February! 💖

[sertsiken0606]

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merhaba arkadaşlar . Benim ismim Firdevs kocam sürekli kendi anılarını anlatıyor belki inanmayanlar vardır ama ben biliyorum tamamı doğru. Sizlere Hasan ile ilk swing e nasıl başladığımızı anlatacağım. Biz Hasan la 2016 yılında evlendik. Tam 15 temmuzda

Aradan geçen zaman içerisinde harika geceler geçiriyorduk , ben sosyal hizmetler çocuk esirgeme yurdunda büyümüş anasız babasız biriyim. Evim çalıştığım hastaneye çok yakın benim gibi shçek da büyümüş bir hemşire bizim bölümde işe başladı ismi Yasemin . Yasemin ile kısa sürede çok yakın arkadaş olmuştuk 19 yaşında çok güzel bir kadın 1 hafta 10 gün gibi sonra Yasemin in sağlık bakanlığı misafirhanesinde kaldığını öğrendim Hasan a sormadan Yasemin in eşyalarını toplayıp bize götürdüm akşam Hasan hep anlattığım Yasemin i görünce şok oldu yemek çay faslı bitti yatak odasına geçtik Hasan her zamanki gibi seks yapmak istiyor bende Yasemin e ayıp olur diye düşündüm ama Hasan ne yaptı etti beni sekse ikna etti o gece Hasan düşünsene Firdevs videoları hani 2 kadın 1 erkek sevişirken ne boşalmıstık sen konuş Yaseminle ikna et dedim bende madem sen Yasemin i istiyorsun bende Özkan hocayla yatmak istiyorum dedim tamam dedi ben sana Özkan ı ayarlayacağım sende bana Yasemin i günlerden salı ydı artık her gece seks yaparken Özkan ve Yasemin i hayal ederek yapıyorduk cumartesi günü sabah eşim nöbet için gitti bende Yasemin ile kahvaltıda konuşurken erkek arkadaşı olup olmadığını sordum yok ama çok teklif eden var seçim yapamıyorum dedi gülüştük konu sekse gelmişti Hasan ın beğendiğini söyledim bende Hasan ı çok beğeniyorum dedi eğer seninle evli olmasa teklif etse birlikte olacağım tek erkek dedi bakiremisin dedim evet bakireyim ama 2 3 kez anal ve oral seks yaptım abla dedi . Sözü Hasan a getirdi her gece seks yapıyor hiç bıkmaz mı seksten diye sordu , gülüştük yok daha hiç boş günümüz olmadı dedim adet döneminde de mi diyerek şaşkın şaşkın baktı adetliyken anal ve oral seks yapıyor beni böyle alıştırdı dedim. Senin sesin benim odadan duyuluyor demek ki çok zevk alıyorsun abla dedi bende sen onun sikini bir görsen şok olursun çok kalın ve çok uzun dedim akşam yemeği için mutfağa gidip hazırlık yapıyordum Hasan aradı akşam misafir var ben hazırım Özkan da hazır sen ne yaptın dedi daha anlatamadım hem kızmış nasıl derim kocam seninle seks yapmak istiyor diye . O zaman Özkan seni sikerken ben izlerim Özkan ile konuştum yapacak bir şey yok dedi telefonu kapattı kapıda beni dinliyormuştu ne zaman geldin duymadım dedim epey oldu herşeyi duydum sen kabul ediyorsan ben dünden razıyım o koca yarağı görmek istiyorum dedi ben hemen mesaj attım gerdek gecesine hazır ol dedim. Akşam olmuştu hem kendimi hem Yasemin i hazırladım erkeklerimiz için saat 18 30 gibi kapı çaldı Hasan ve Özkan ellerinde kırmızı güller ve kırmızı şarap ile içeri girdi bana Özkan uzattı gülleri Yasemin e Hasan yemek odası hazır yemek yiyelim içelim zevkimize bakalım dedim Özkan belime sarıldı boynumdan öptü yemek sırasında hiç konuşmadık masayı birlikte toplayıp beni Özkan kucağına aldı öperek soyunmaya başladık Hasan Yasemin i kucağına aldı yatak odasına götürdü bizde sevişerek soyunduk 69 pozisyonuna geçtik o dilini Hasan kadar iyi kullanıyor bende o ne kadar zevk verirse o kadar sikini ağzıma alıyordum