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My question. A died, B did the whole murder thing. What happened to c, d, e, f, g, h, I, j, and k.

The prodigies of Wammy’s house are mostlyobscured, with the works making mention of them scattered, often not designed to function with the main timeline.

Yet, they have referred to one another in passing throughout.

– For example, “L: Change the World” very specifically references the case in “Death Note Another Note”. And, “L prologue to Death Note: Spiraling Trap” nods at “L: Change the World”.

Actually, all but 4 (C,O,S, & U) of the 26 letters of the alphabet have appeared in some form.

We know that all fall somewhere within the span of 4 generations, the first generation consisting of at least 5 individuals - A & B and the final children of the first generation, X - Z. J appears to have been the only officially succeeded by another child. And, K is the only letter that clearly demonstrating when letters can be passed on. But, it is not clear whether the letters spanning the entire alphabet must be assigned before a generation is completed. What is clear is that a generation consists of at most all 26 letters.

Letter’s that are (assumed or) confirmed to be deceased are A, B, F, R, T, V, X, Y, and Z. (J and K are alive, though J could be assumed dead). With all these deceased child-agents to L, it leaves one to wonder why the program continues generation after generation. But as we go over the sources involving the letters the answer becomes evident that the existence of Wammy’s children, necessitizes the existence of Wammy’s children…

Reiterating – the stories were not created to function perfectly together, but we can put together a timeline in which some version of these successors could exist together.

F may link the Kira case timeline with L : Prologue to DN (Spiraling Trap), L: Change the World, and DNAN, which we’ll explore.

In the manga, Aizawa and Matsuda describe that among the children, few were selected to be L’s successors and no one knew their true names – It can be assumed that children arriving to Wammy’s House come without a true identity, then are selected to be successors. Most Wammy alumni fit into one of three categories: detectives, scientists, or artists, though some have branched beyond these.

Another description of these children is made in the novelization of “L: Change the World” [013]:

We will start with what we know of A - Z then draw a timeline.

We begin with the first of the first generation - though, A commits suicide and B commits murder, there is more here to examine…

A is only mentioned once in Death Note another Note,

“…The first child, A, was unable to handle the pressure of living up to L and took their own life…” [105]

It is assumed that A’s alias is “Alternative” due to its use with backup in the English edition:

“ … L’s successors, as L’s alternatives… a copy… a backup.“ [104]

However, the Japanese original does not have an A-rendering word – instead using a word that is actually 代替品 (dai-tai-hin) but the meaning is still equivalent.

The first child, A’s gender, background, age, cause of death, nor burial is ever expanded upon. However, A is the first attempt at creating a backup for L - presumably orphaned, stripped of all identity and purpose beyond becoming someone else - This gives the character a special place in history of Wammy’s House.

It is unclear how or where A died, but this character may also be the first and only child to have died on the institution’s grounds …

B is not the only Wammy’s alumni to have ended up in prison (one of at least 3) nor the only one to have attempted to attack L in some way.

B as a successor is made mention of several times,

” He had these eyes… which is why a child as strange as he was taken in by our home sweet home - Wammy’s House.“[094-095]

”…the second child in Wammy’s House…“ [095]

”…the second child, Beyond Birthday, was brilliant and deviant…“[105]

” B stood for backup. “ [105]

He was the second child, the backup. Wammy’s does not know his real name, making the search for him in May (year unknown) difficult.

“…B’s disappearance in May…” [117]

“… Wammy’s House only knew him as B - they did not know his real name…” [117]

It may seem flawed that Kira could have gotten Beyond Birthday’s name unless he had given it upon his arrest, but this is a misunderstanding, the novel states Naomi herself could have known his name.

“… and if she had dug deeper would be able to find out that his real name was Beyond Birthday… He wanted them to find out he was Beyond Birthday…” [162]

It is never mentioned why B runs away though there is mention that he does so knowing L will be contacted by the house. [159] This may suggest that others have left before, but it is unclear.

His background is mentioned briefly but no nationality is suggested.

“… Knew the day when his father would be attacked by a thug and die, knew the day when his mother would die in a train crash…”[094]

It is notable that he speaks Japanese like a native, claims to have had every book of Akazukin Chacha as it was serialized (in the 1990s) – the books in Believe Bridesmaid’s home.. may not belong to the victim, B may have brought them with him.

”… He speaks Japanese like a native …“ [098]

”… I read every issue as it was serialized…“ [058]

”… there was no telling if Akazukin Chacha actually belonged to Believe Bridesmaid…“ [062]

Several mentions are made throughout DN:AN that could describe B’s appearance but none are certain to not be part of his Rue persona,

Young man [038-039]

Obviously not a child [044-045]

Wearing Jeans [078]

Applying makeup [106][162]

Scrawny and hunched over [143]

The same can be said for his mannerisms,

Jam eating [048-050]

Crawling on floor [051][057][072][074-076][110]

Wiping hands (knows floor is dirty) [078]

Biting thumb nail [052]

Using percentages [054][086][116][136-137]

Mathematical ability [054][112]

Reads Speedily [062]

Photographic Memory [063]

Cracking neck [074][106]

Laughter [095][106]

“L sitting” [079][085-086]

Drinking ‘sweet dirt’ [080]

Drinking unsweetened coffee [122]

However B’s end, like A’s, was to be suicide had he succeeded…

More on the original text for 1st Generation: [X]

One of the most generous collectives of letters is L’s contact list for Wammy’s shown in “L: Change the World”.

L brings up the contact list to inform the others that Watari has passed away. (Below)

In the film “ L: Change the World”, L’s a contact list for Wammy’s House consists of 12 members of which four are in grey, the box unable to be checked. These four are B, R, V, and T. There is no particular order to the list, not alphabetical nor in order of induction which would place L at the top or bottom. The four in grey may be disabled due to death of the person holding that letter, based on the assumption that B is the same of “Death Note Another Note” (the film coming out in 2008, while Another Note novel came out in 2006) and that K is not at her computer (idle or unavailable).

Not everyone on the contact list receives this message – including B, R, V, and T which appear to be grayed out. (L only clicks 8 )

However, two characters, F and H , also appear in the film but are not in the list. F dies – However, F has been more in contact with Watari directly than with L. H too communicates directly with Watari about F’s demise – H may mean “Headquaters” or their message may originate from there.

Letters from other materials, notably J, do not appear in the contact list.

C has yet to be assigned.

D does appear in Wammy’s group email.

E also appears in Wammy’s group email.

F is held by a character in two different materials and could be said to be the most reckless of the Wammy’s letters…

In “L: Change the World”, F (F1225) appears in the movie and credits but does not appear in the novelization - ‘F’ is the character’s name in the credits.

Note on Novel: F’s absence in the novel is only one of several differences.

There are entire scenes in the book that do not appear in the film. The most notable of these are those with FBI agent Sugita and Fairman (Naomi’s replacement), Hatsune—a terrorist and killer since the age of 15, as well as Near being an active member of Wammys already and not a boy rescued from Thailand by F.

Other characters play more active roles including Watari (as a sniper), L (posing in a bear suit and later going on the run from K, the FBI, and Blue Ship), Maki Nikaido (defending an elderly woman and taking a very active role in infecting K).

In the film, F appears in Thailand after a sudden, mysterious, and deadly outbreak. F seems to have taken no precaution to protect himself, secretly observing the investigation being conducted by seemingly foreign scientists.

There is no direct explanation for F’s presence in the area of pathogen release but F was working undercover for Watari near the area at the time, similar to the situation within the game.

F’s risk-taking behavior aligns with the character in the game L: prologue to Death Note: Spiraling Trap [螺旋の罠コミュニケーター]. In the game, Watari states that F specializes in the investigation of dangerous places – investigates the interior of all hotels in Ciela which could be rigged with bombs in that instance.

The movie may be the source of F’s mention for the game.

Following this information (after F’s death in the film), H communicates to Watari that the ’biomonitors’ had not been responding (either at the time or after this event). It is unclear what was being measured by the biomonitors, whether they are measuring something within the environment or F’s signs of life, but in trying to escape the area with Near in tow, F succumbs to the deadly pathogen he was exposed to. There is no indication that there is any attempt to retrieve his remains after the explosion that destroys his vehicle.

F may not be of the first generation but appears old enough to have been part of the first generation. Which means that F is a casualty of his peer, K’s, deadly plans…

G also appears in Wammy’s group email.

H is mentioned in “L: Change the World”, they may only symbolize Wammy’s [H] eadquarters or perhaps be a individual within Wammy’s itself.

Roger may be the person behind this letter as H works as the liaison between Watari and the rest of the letters. The message communicating F’s demise says they must select someone else for F’s investigation. It is notably unsentimental and to the point, much like a telegraph though the shortness is unnecessary…

If H is Roger, this may explain Roger’s presence in Wammy’s House despite “How To Read: 13” mentioning that among things he dislikes are children.

It is also worth a short note that Roger, upon Watari’s death and the disappearances of Near and Mello, makes no attempt to hide the purpose of Wammy’s House from Aizawa and Matsuda. But, despite hating children, Roger was already present in Wammy’s House before L became a famous detective - in “File. 15″ - Chapter 0, Wammy’s House/Day One:

Though he has evidently not washed his hands of L or his successors – in what has been called chapter 109, the one-shot special (Weekly Shonen Jump, volume 11 ) featuring Near shows that 3 years after Light’s death, Roger is serving as Near’s Watari …

It is not entirely clear whether or not Roger continues the successor program beyond this point. Though, “L: Light Up The New World” does have the IVF Ryuzaki as a new successor, he is not a child.

Additionally, Near states in the main manga (Volume 9) that in order to ensure that Mello will not be killed by the death note, that those at Wammy’s that have known Mello have been dealt with [対処]. It is unclear what all having been dealt with would entail, beyond that they can be expected to stay silent on Mello’s appearance.

This along with Vol. 9, page 166 - Near states that if he and Mello die (if he is wrong about the 13 days rule), Kira would have won - Suggesting there are no further challengers lined up at this point.

It remains unclear whether Roger is H or continues the successorship program after he is clearly not at his post anymore 3 years post-Kira case - But, he does become Near’s Watari (which is Wammy’s code name meaning handler).

I is also in Wammy’s group email.

Ide did use an I as an alias during the Kira case (arc 2). However, this is the same font used by Light when he is behind the alias L and Near’s N in the manga, it is not Cloister Black nor Old English MT, it is a different variant of Old English Font.

J is unique in that J is a letter that has been assigned to two individuals…

J of “L: The Prologue to Death Note: Spiraling Trap” [螺旋の罠コミュニケーター]

J of “Death Note: New Generation”

In the prologue to Death Note, a kidnapped FBI agent wakes up in what appears to be a hotel room (this is following an investigation under L into a weapons trafficking organization CLN in which they were attacked).

It is not a hotel but a boat (Granada) that is full of explosives in some area around Central America, Criela [クリエラ] Republic - it is thought to be headed to the Atlantic Ocean, where it is intended to sink, but the autopilot has been tapered with and it is instead headed to the Altea [アルテア] port which is the controlling area of the Criela government…

This would look like an anti-government attack if it were to explode at port, and L would look as though he had some involvement with his agent aboard.

L makes contact with his agent at the time not knowing their location when, J intercepts the communication, he claims this is part of his revenge… on L.

J claims to be a part of “クリエラの月”, a terrorist group that intends initiate the civil war in this country. However, this is not true and he has very little knowledge of the explosive’s mechanisms, though he is part of the main control program for the explosive’s detonation.

J is a war orphan, described as a man in his late 20s, having a gentle manner. He graduated from college as a programmer and joined Reboot Inc. (group that owns this boat) under his code name Jeffery Miller.

Summary Profile [X]

J lost his family due to CLN’s arranging bombs to be set off during a civil war in what was Yugoslavia.

After the loss, he was entered into the protection of war orphan support groups ( including the Alois Bateson’s Foundation). He was loyal to Alois for his kindness but was deceived – Alois is actually an executive of CLN (COMBAT LOGISTICS NETWORK), multinational military industry in the Middle East.

While the company J works for, Reboot Inc., owns the ship, CLN is a shipping company with a dock large enough to hide this ship and loads it with explosives. The ship is evidence of for L’s investigation and CLN figures as long as the ship detonates, they will have won either way – they will either prove they have a bomb even L cannot defuse and become the go-to weapons supplier or they will have initiated the war they want. J’s role in this is to pretend to be the mastermind to keep L occupied, monitor L’s movements, and manage the Housekeeper (a codename for one of the badguys and the person whom actually placed the bombs on the ship).

J, after learning he has been deceived, has a change of heart - L appeals to his feelings on war and he cooperates with the FBI agent to stop the ship. He is later arrested for his involvement and his true identity is revealed on TV – クリロ・ミラニッチ, Cliro Milanic…

J says to L that he does not regret what he has done because he had the opportunity to talk to L.

The second individual holding the letter [ J ] is J of “Death Note: New Generation” Episode 2. In it, Ryuzaki [L’s official successor] is the IVF child/clone of L that appears in

Ryuzaki appears close to Near and the second “J” – both Near and J do not show their faces through communication with Ryuzaki but do use what appears to be their natural, non-synthetic, voices.

J meets Ryuzaki in person (In Tokyo, Japan), showing up at J’s location semi-unexpectedly. Though he appears to have arrived to retrieve tools for his investigation, J invites him to sit down and enjoy the spread that she has presumably prepared and laid out in anticipation for his arrival, Ryuzaki comments that they are not children anymore – it may be a birthday, celebration for a case solved, or another significant day for them (this takes place before the locked room murders are confirmed to be the work of Kira).

J has recovered the mask that L has used to protect his identity during his investigations and presents it to Ryuzaki as a gift.

J ultimately wants to persuade him to become involved in the new investigation, Ryuzaki and Near have already made an agreement that whomever solved the locked room murder first would be in charge of the case thereafter - Ryuzaki appears to have been resisting becoming involved.

J wants to further assist with the investigation, serving as the new L’s Watari figure. However, Ryuzaki declines the assistance of J, stating Watari’s death was L’s greatest regret…

K is another of the few letters that makes an appearance in both the film and the novelization of L: Change the World.

[ K ] is the first of their letter, another of the few that make an appearance. In her childhood, K an agent of L, serving to mobilize the world’s agencies of law enforcement. She continued her service until a rescue mission to recover a child from the clutches of a terrorist organization destorys her faith in herself and the world.

The rescued child was that of the terrorist mastermind and upon being received by the rescue camp, they detonated an explosive attached to their body - it was a suicide bombing, a parent sacrificing their own child to kill others.

After witnessing what K describes as many casualties, she abandons her post at Wammy’s at 16 years old, saying she is ashamed of her failure. [176]

K leaves but not to go into hiding, she is out for revenge…

When she is around 30 (26 years after the deaths of her parents) she has situated herself in the organization Blue Ship—an environmental terrorist group intending to reduce the human population through utilization of a deadly virus, for which there is only one cure.

The organization is ruthlessness, knowing no loyalty or limitation as they regularly dispose of their own team members (119)…

One member (Dr. Kagami, writer of “Alert Status Red: The Human Species” ) is stabbed to death and feed to eels in front of his team members.

K is critical piece to their plan as she assimilates herself into the research laboratory of Dr. Nikaido (immunologist ), a personal friend of Watari, single parent, family friend of the Amane family, and former professor of Wammy’s house.

After working with Nikaido for several years, even tutoring his child, she betrays him. Even the chimpanzees that K works with appear to sense that she is dangerous – But, Dr. Nikaido’s death was accidental, upon being confronted by the masked members of Blue Ship asking him to surrender the virus, he provokes one into shooting him with the intention that if they cannot obtain the cure then they will not use the virus (for fear of being infected with no means of saving themselves)…

— Dr. Nikaido deletes the data on the cure through a hacking security systems created by Q, given to him through Wammy. But, K knows her way around it from the inside and ultimately, it is unable to stop the terrorist infiltrators. The body of Dr. Nikaido and the living animals inside are incinerated in the fire induced by Blue Ship…

When it comes to Wammy’s alumni, it does not get much more diabolical than K. Backup (B) may take the cake for being infamously grisly but K, Dr. Kimiko Kujo, after absconding from her role with Wammy’s house, successfully obtains a deadly virus to unleash upon humanity – ultimately betraying Wammy’s, her coworkers, L, her terrorist team, and even herself – with the intent to indiscriminately wipe out the species entirely in a bid for revenge.

She is perhaps the most apocalyptic of the first generation letters. The events that put K on this path are as brutal as the events that follow obtaining the virus :

— Her parents were the victims of an explosive fire in a lab on the East Serras Island, their place of work as researchers (though not involved in the research into infectious weapons). The destruction of the laboratory was the decision of the US government after the discovery that some of the researchers, belonging to a terrorist organization, were on the brink of constructing a deadly biological weapon they intended to use in response to the presidential election. A key individual in the attack is Matoba, a leader in Blue Ship– he carries a facial scar from the explosion and becomes another K infects.

Aside from her terrorist team, Dr. Nikaido, L, and Wammy’s— F is another causality of her plot, investigating the sudden outbreak that is the result of Blue Ship testing out the virus to demonstrate it’s deadly applications to potential buyers (for 4billion). With F appearing to be around the same age as K, this may in fact mean she is the catalyst of the demise of one of her own peers.

There appears to be no clear limit with how far K will take her plan…

She even impersonates L, abusing her hacking prowess to get into the Kira investigation system, to contact the US president (David Hope), making a request of 10 billion USD or L would end the president’s life after compelling them to launch nuclear missiles at London, Moscow, and Beijing. She nearly succeeds as VP Godwin actually suggests using a small nuclear weapon to kill L. In spite, of Secretary of State, Beal, asserting that it would initiate a war with Japan.

This is in attempt to provoke the US government into hunting down and eliminating L. At the time, this is a tangible threat, not only is L in possession of 2 death notes but the US has sent an FBI agent— Hideaki Suruga (Hideaki Sugita), FBI agent taking up Naomi’s duties, close friend of both Raye and Naomi, even would have hosted the wedding reception — to retrieve the death notes.

Agent Suruga, was initially working with Agent Robert Fairman –turning out to be an FBI infiltrator attempting to stage a vehicular explosion that would kill Surgua and seem as though the files too were destroyed.

These files contained the details of the 1980’s Attache Case—the explosion that took the lives of K’s parents.

Though K presents herself initially to Suruga as part of the Tokyo Police Department, Public Security Bureau, 3rd Foreign Affiars division – Counterterrorism division, K reminds the FBI agent of Naomi herself. Suruga remarks internally upon discovering K attempting to hack into L’s security – “Damn, women are scary.”

She is perhaps from the first generation, appearing to be the appropriate age, around the same as F, and is referred to as the first of her letter. This may in fact mean she is the catalyst of the demise of one of her own peers (F)..

This event seems to have taken place after B’s death or imprisonment, going on the suggestion that B is dead from L’s contact list, and perhaps after the disappearances or deaths of X, Y, and Z as well..

It can also be inferred that this takes place after J’s arrest given that F is still alive and active during J’s crime.

Additionally, Sugita’s partner Fairman, is Naomi’s replacement as of 1 day after her quitting, and Naomi doesn’t quit the FBI until 2003. [009]

K brings some light to how one’s letter is passed on to another; K is arrested and given a life sentence though L informs her that Watari has said, should she ever be able to return, she would be forgiven and could resume her role as K.

What’s a little mass-homocide when you’re a 1st gen successor? Actually, .. L suggests that her lack of faith in humanity comes from her being a student of Wammy’s. – To which K agrees…

O has yet to be assigned.

P also appears in Wammy’s group email.

Q appears in Wammy’s group email and is the person whom build the program for K’s laboratory security.

[R] is in the group email but grayed out, suggesting they are deceased.

[S] has yet to be assigned.

[T] is in the group email but grayed out, suggesting they are deceased.

[U] has yet to be assigned.

[V] is in the group email but grayed out, suggesting they are deceased.

[X], [Y], and [Z] are the last of the first generation, mentioned as being involved in the detective wars that earned L the code names of Eraldo Coil and Danuve.

“… The story of the detective war… solving that infamous bioterror case, with guest appearances by the first X through the first Z from Wammy’s house…” – [170]

In the original Japanese edition, they are specifically referred to as 初代 X - Z which means the first generation or the original ones, the first generation.

This may be interpenetrated as suggesting there were others later on that held these letters but X,Y, and Z do not appear in L’s Wammy contact list in “L: Change the World”.

In less than 17 years – between the time of L’s discovery and death –several successors veered off the intended path. In fact, being a successor between just the 1st and 3rd generations, your chances of committing suicide are at least 257x higher than that of the general population of the UK, your chances of imprisonment are 277x higher, your chances of committing murder are 770x higher …

And, that is a conservative estimate – given we only know the fates of a few.

The children are brought out of the obscurity and given an opportunity for a greater purpose for which the world cannot discount. In their world, L himself is essential in preventing the third world war. Even ignoring the death note, their world is a increasingly dangerous, full of violence, war, and weaponry that could devastate the planet – In some ways much like our own. These are intelligent and exceptional enough to lead their world into the future, their education hones and harness their innate abilities to serve the greater good. But, it is at the price of their ignorance and often their faith in humanity, exhausting their compassion and, in some instances, with a nihilistic perspective.

Childhood’s veil of security is often lost when one loses their parents, the world never feels quite as safe when you live through something that destabilizes your entire life. Compounded with the realities that others are not exposed to, the worst of humanity, the parts that make you wonder how a person can live with themselves, the call to action is urgent and dire.

For some, failing their responsibilities to the world is too great a shame to bare. Yet, others are so full of their own malice, life is a small price to pay to prove a point…

Then there are those that will live to leave, only to bring war to your nations…

But worst of all these children are those cunning and determined and devastated enough that they will bring the apocalypse …

Can you image what 2, or 3, or more could do?

This is why the existence of Wammy’s children necessitizes the existence of Wammy’s children …

Reiterating, – these works were not created to function perfectly together on a timeline. For example, “Death Note Another Note” and “L: The Prologue to Death Note: Spiraling Trap” both erroneously presented Naomi Misora as already engaged to Ray though Ray does not propose to Naomi until 2003.

In order to create a functional timeline, we must assume at least 3 things:

The F of Spiraling Trap (J’s case) is the same involved in “L: Change the World” (K’s case)

The contact list in “L: Change the World” has greyed out contacts that were alive at the creation of the contact list but are deceased based on L clicking 6 times (D, E, G, I, P, and K).

We can dismiss the mention in Spiraling Trap and DNAN [124] that Naomi is engaged and has an engagement ring.

Now we can begin constructing a rough timeline, starting with the first generation:

A must have died before the creation of the contact list.

X, Y, and Z also seem to have died before the creation of the contact list.

B was on contact list before death and before DNAN, placing the creation of the contact list before the events of DNAN.

Next is Spiraling Trap, Prologue to DN, J’s Case:

J is not on the contact list which places the events that led to J’s arrest to be before the creation of the contact list (and DNAN).

F’s involvement places it before K’s case

Additionally, Naomi’s involvement places J’s case before her retirement in 2003 and her leave of absence in 2002.

Finally for K’s case:

The deaths (or disappearances) or R, T, and V must have occurred after the creation of the emailing list because it would not make sense for dead successors to be included, unless they were added while still alive.

Additionally, their deaths must have happened before K’s case because they are dead before L begins to investigate.

H is possibly Roger and at the time of K’s case, H is alive.

D, E, G, I, and P appear to be alive at the time of K’s case.

Q is also alive based on their letter’s inclusion in the contact list and their involvement in the security system of the lab in which K begins work.

F dies during K’s case but is active during J’s which gives more evidence to J’s case taking place before K’s.

Though it is a side note, L: Change the world mentions B’s case (089) which clearly places the events in the same universe and taking place after the events of DNAN.

Additionally, the book gives an idea of what month these events are taking place in when mentioning a time for the next victim of the death note (125):

If L established a means of contact before the LABB case, it makes sense why J reacts the way he does at the end of his story:

At the end of J’s case, J appears to be so honored that L has communicated with him that J concludes that the crime has still been worth it in the end.

It also may make sense why K seems so surprised that L knows that she is from Wammy’s house, not at all concerned about being recognized when meeting face to face.

In conclusion, K happens sometime around the Kira era but before the conclusion of it, B’s case occurs before that and J’s before that.

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