#3.12 - Reunion

[chonidale]

what are your top 5 choni scenes and why

was cleaning out my inbox and found this from 6 years ago lmao back when this would have been a lot easier to answer because they had a LOT less scenes. i really tried to sit and narrow it down to just 5 scenes, even if i couldn’t rank them, but it was really hard without setting some limits, so i’m going to make myself only pick one scene per season and list them in chronological order.

season 2: first kiss. just iconic, perfectly set up and executed. best first kiss on the show, hands down, was never topped. cinematic. honorable mentions to the scene at the bijou and their almost kiss.

season 3: their reunion in the finale. it’s a short scene, but so sweet. toni gathering the cavalry to save cheryl, the ‘baby?!’, the running hug and kiss, the sheer relief and emotion in toni’s voice, so good. honorable mentions to the 3.12 bed scene purely for how cozy it is and cheryl sacrificing herself to save toni at the farm, also so cinematic.

season 4: the couch cuddling scene post thanksgiving dinner. so comfy and sweet. i love a good cuddling moment, but add in a cute i love you exchange and a kiss? i’m happy. honorable mentions to the 4.08 pops scene and cheryl telling toni about nick, so much better than the garbage suicide attempt convo from s3 that was all about archie.

season 5: the pops convo from 5.05, nobody could ever make me hate that scene, the emotion and history and understanding and love there, just so good. forever mourning the excellent angst of those first two time jump episodes. what could have been if the rest of the season kept that tone. honorable mentions to the whole flashback sequence in 5.04 and the convo in 5.18. i do like their break up scene too but i’ll always be bitter about how much better it could have and should have been. deserved a last kiss or cuddle at the very least.

season 7: the music room convo in 7.10 is just so perfect, absolutely no notes. really sweet and mature and well written as a stand alone resolution to the plot in that episode, but even more satisfying and meaningful from a larger stand point, showing their growth from s3 and how they’re doing things right this time, etc. honorable mentions to the scene outside the school in 7.08 for some reason and the photoshoot, i think, but there’s so many i really love.

(no scene selection for s6 since i had to cut a season to narrow it down to 5 and most of the choni content in s6 is thabigail, but the bed scene from the finale is very excellent and bittersweet, even if i retroactively wish they had given us more since it ended up being the last interaction in the og timeline and there was a lot of opportunity for more closure there than what we got. and i think if they’d known they weren’t going back to the og timeline back then, we would have gotten more, but alas.)

[sourcreammachine]

Doctor Who episodes ranked let’s go

(o’th’ revived era. and eight’s movie because i’ve seen it)

and two-parters are counted as one, but i get to define what a ‘two-parter’ is. this is because i’m in charge not you

9.11 Heaven Sent aka the stars align and somehow Moffat manages to pull an incredible script out of his arse after being stuck up there for so long aka Capaldi is the new Atlas from carrying his entire era aka now you understand why i’m splitting up some two-parters and not others aka ahaha 9.11 lol

3.8/9 Human Nature / The Family of Blood

1.9/10 The Empty Child / The Doctor Dances

3.10 Blink

2.4 The Girl in the Fireplace

4.12/13 The Stolen Earth / Journey’s End

1.6 Dalek

6.i A Christmas Carol

3.11 Utopia

4.8/9 Silence in the Library / Forest of the Dead

7.v The Time of the Doctor okay hear me out first thing is i’m an absolute sucker second thing is why couldn’t season 7 have actually seeded any of this with actual thought and subtly rather than mystery-box hackery it literally makes me think of how much better his era could’ve been if Moffat wasn’t so up his own arse

2.8/9 The Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit

7.iv The Day of the Doctor

4.11 Turn Left

3.4 Girldick

1.12/13 Bad Wolf / The Parting of the Ways

7.iii The Night of The Doctor aka my boi Eight finally gets done justice

4.10 Midnight

4.6 The Doctor’s Daughter

3.2 The Shakespeare Code

3.i The Runaway Bride

2.12/13 Army of Ghosts / Doomsday

2.3 School Reunion

6.11 The God Complex

4.1 Partners in Crime

10.11/12 World Enough, and Time / The Doctor Falls (look, i’m a sucker i know, and i couldn’t give a shit about Gomez and Simm, but fuck you Moffat actually figured out how to write human emotions. Talalay’s finest hour. Lucas’ finest hour. Moffat did not deserve a swan song but he got himself one somehow)

5.2 The Beast Below

8.8 Mummy on the Orient Express (despite the awful, horrible ending, see below (very far below))

4.7 The Unicorn and the Wasp

4.2 The Fires of Pompeii

7.12 Neil Gaiman’s Good Episode

1.1 Rose

5.1 The Eleventh Hour

2.7 The Idiot’s Lantern

10.1 The Pilot

5.10 Vincent and the Doctor

4.i Voyage of the Damned

6.4 The Neil Gaiman Fanfic Hour

3.1 Smith and Jones

4.4 The Sontaran Stratagem / The Poison Sky

6.10 The Girl Who Waited

1.2 The End of The World

5.12/13 The Pandorica Opens / The Big Bang

2.i The Christmas Invasion

6.7 A Good Man Jumps The Shark

5.6 The Vampires of Venice

4.3 Planet of the Ood

7.ii The Snowmen

1.11 Boom Town

3.12 The Sound of Drums / Last of the Time Lords

1.7 The Long Game

7.7 The Rings of Akhaten

8.6 The Caretaker

5.7 Amy’s Choice

9.7/8 Zygons. you can basically hear Capaldi’s back cracking from him carrying it

4.v/vi The End of Time, Parts 1 & 2

10.6 Extremis, the most underrated episode fuck you

4.ii The Next Doctor

8.5 Time Heist

6.1/2 The Impossible Astronaut / Day of the Moon

2.1 New Earth

10.3 Twelve Decks a Racist

9.ii The Husbands of River Song (yeah i’m a sucker, the ending gets me)

6.3 Curse of the Black Pearl spot, fuck

11.1 The Woman Who Fell To Earth (based on how it made me feel in 2018, looking back yeah the warning signs were all there)

5.4/5 The Time of Angels / Flesh and Stone

5.11 The Lodger

1.3 The Unquiet Dead

7.4 The Power of Three aka Chris Chibnall Shits Himself on Live Television

2.5/6 Rise of the Cybermen / The Age of Steel

7.9 Hide

10.5 Oxygen aka La Problema Es Capitalismo

8.1 Deep Breath

2.2 Tooth and Nail claw, fuck

1.8 Father’s Day

11.3 Rosa (bring back Blackman as an episode writer, she wrote Noughts & Crosses, she can do it)

7.11 The Crimson ‘Orror

6.8 Let’s Kill Hitler

6.5/6 The Rebel Flesh / The Almost People

4.iv The Waters of Mars

7.6 oh no it’s clara

9.10 yaay clara’s dead

5.8/9 The Hungry Earth / Cold Blood

12.5 Fugitive of the Judoon (again, based on how i felt watching it for the first time. it was a good episode and an interesting mystery box, just one filled with shit)

1.4/5 Aliens of London / World War Three

7.5 The Angels Take amy lol

2.11 Fear Her

8.4 Listen, aka the first episode that Capaldi carries, despite Moffat being himself again

10.ii Twice Upon a Time (ugh we could’ve had a brilliant trilogy to see out Capaldi, but instead we get Moffat masturbating on live television for an hour. look, The Doctor could have had an actual character arc - they feel like they’re on borrowed time after their resurrection on Trenzalore, after the events on Gallifrey they feel like any sort of feelings of ‘duty’ as last of the time lords (as errant and fleeting as such feelings might’ve been) are resolved, and after failing their BIG MASSIVE SEASON 10 ARC with Missy and getting stabbed in the back, and BILL [redacted for spoilers], they’re happy to accept their death - and that’s where the season ends. yuletide 2017 could’ve ended this arc, they’re taught the love of the universe again, they see the goodness they bring to all life - Clara, i am a good man. and when they sit down to die, those words ‘maybe just one more go’ could’ve had the weight of the universe behind them, it could’ve been the greatest who line ever written, had that line actually had weight on its shoulders. Moffat is a hack. mystery-boxing is hacking, end of story. Capaldi, the finest actor ever in the role, was done dirty by scripts with no weight and planning. Grand Moff lives up his own arse - that power gives him the ability to write incredible episodes such as Heaven Sent and everything he ever touched under Davies - but it makes all series, arcs and continuity fall apart into a pile of shit. this episode is the finest example - a universe of potential, reduced to one hour of self-congratulatory masturbation)

6.9 Night Terrors

11.9 It Takes You Away (the one with the frog god)

7.10 Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS

9.12 Heaven Sent Part II: Whoops

8.9 Flatline

7.3 A Town Called Widowmaker

4.iii Planet of the Dead

9.1/2 The Magician’s Apprentice / The Witch’s Familiar

6.12 Closing Time

3.7 42

13.i Eve of the Daleks (the aisling bea one)

8.3 Robot of Sherwood

9.5/6 Maisie Williams

6.13 The Wedding of River Song

5.3 Victory of the Daleks

8.11/12 Dark Water / Death in Heaven aka i’m sorry Gomez but not even you can carry this

3.6 The Lazarus Experiment

11.i Resolution (…of the Daleks)

10.2 Emoji Robots

8.2 Into the Dalek

10.5 Knock Knock. Who’s There? Yer mum

7.13 The Name of the Doctor aka the Biggest Waste of Richard E. Grant until Rise of Skywalker

7.2 Dinosaurs on a Plane

10.8/9 The Pyramid at the End of the World / The Lie of the Land

Doctor Who: The Movie!

11.6 Demons of the Punjab

7.1 Asylum of the Daleks

7.8 Cold War aka i’m starting to think Mark Gatiss might be a bad writer actually

3.4/5 Daleks in Manhattan / Evolution of the Daleks

11.5 P’ting

9.3/4 Under the Lake / Before the Flood aka the Biggest Waste of Peter Serafinowicz since the Clone Wars didn’t bring him back. also a deaf person falling in love with their interpreter is the most toxic thing ever. and it’s 90 more minutes of season 9 tedium ugh

2.10 Love and Monsters. yeah this high up

8.7 The anti-abortion episode. and it’s not just for that fact alone nonono, The Doctor is such an unbelievable unforgivable cunt this time. at least Clara calls them out in that brilliant final-ish scene BUT they’re still unforgivable AND they get forgiven anyway next week?? literally they take the way Clara’s character arc was going and throw it all in the bin

8.10 In The Forest of the Shite

11.7 Kerblam!

10.9 Empress of Mars aka i’m starting to think Mark Gatiss might be a bad writer actually

9.i Last Christmas aka remember how they reset Clara’s character arc after Mummy for literally no reason???? THEY FUCKING DID IT AGAIN!! she’s literally put in limbo for an ENTIRE SEASON, after they gave her TWO good offramps and apparently chickened the fuck out from using them?? and expected me to care when she (spoiler)? also the episode’s like really boring. bonus points for the absolutely perfect casting of Nick Frost tho, very nominative determinism

10.i is my hatred of Doctor Mysterio unwarranted? probably. but i still hate it

12.8 The Haunting of Villa Diodati, the most overrated episode fuck you. no it is not ‘the only good episode of season 12’ - it’s just as bad as the rest. The Doctor is unnecessarily unlikeable. the villain boy is nonsense, uninteresting and unlikeable. and worst of all - i don’t want to have violent sex with any of the people in this villa

12.4 Nikola Tesla’s Tower of Terror

11.8 The Witchfinders

9.9 Sleep No More aka i’m starting to think Mark Gatiss might be a bad writer actually

13.2 Flux Part 2: War of the Sontarans (oh yeah like they don’t do war normally, that’s like saying the fucking ,, toasting of the toaster or something)

7.i The Doctor, the Widow, and the Wardrobe (it’s only Chibnall from here on out let’s goo)

12.1/2 Spyfall. literally how the FUCK do you waste both Stephen Fry AND Lenny fucking Henry how the fuck. also The Doctor basically committed a nazism right

12.3 Orphan 55, the second most underrated episode - a lot of people say it’s Chibnall’s worst but i think there’s worse

12.i Revolution of the Daleks (the priti patel one)

11.2 The Ghost Monument

13.4 Flux Part 4: Village of the Angels

11.10 The Battle of Rashhcjxjshog s Kjalapados

12.7 Can You Hear Me? (that was the one with the finger guy. no i don’t mean jonathan banks)

11.4 Spiders in Sheffield

12.6 Praxeus

12.9/10 how did they let chibnall get away with it. isn’t there supposed to be oversight. aren’t there supposed to be safeguards. how did they let him get away with it

13.1 Flux Part 1: The Halloween Apocalypse

13.ii Legend of the Sea Devils

13.3 Flux Part 3: Once, Upon Time

13.iii The Power of the Doctor aka thank fuck, it’s finally over

10.5 Flux Part 5: Survivors of the Flux

10.6 Flux Part 6: Fuck You Chibnall

[cookiedoughmeagain]

I always wondered if this was an actual photo of an actual teenage Lucas Bryant. And now, courtesy of the DVD commentary for the episode, I know that it is!

[good-night-dodger]

Did Gina just spoiled the big Jughead scene in tonight's episode?

[marrissacooper]

Penthouse 3.12

this episode made me cross so many predictions on my s3 bingo !!

✅ rona calling yoonchul "dad"

✅ Hera Palace crashing down

✅ SSR killing JDT

I'd love to get a happy reunion between rona and yoonchul next week but it seems like they'll be separated again 😭 I hope it's just rona leaving to study abroad and them having an emotional moment over hyc's almost death, but why is he crying alone outside the restaurant in the teaser?? what's with the "live happily" ?? it's like he's saying goodbye forever.

I think CSJ is faking her illness? somehow? maybe she bribed the doctor or sth but it seems that way in the teaser. eunbyeol didn't hide the pills very well so maybe CSJ knew and didn't take them? had her stomach pumped? replaced the pills with sth else? but she did seem pretty out of her mind when she mistook rona for eunbyeol so idk.

I'm kinda sad about JDT's death ngl, he was the pillar of the drama 😂 we knew he couldn't die until the end and well, now that he's dead it truly is the end. but didn't he manage to get what he wanted? he died in the palace he built knowing no one else would get it. I like that they didn't make him try to survive at all cost bc that was never the most important thing for him, he'd rather die rich than live in the streets again. But rotting in jail would've been a better punishment for him imo.

rip secretary cho 😢 There goes my hope of him hiding OYH's real body... I really believed that 🤡

speaking of yoonhee it really isn't the same without her 😭 everytime there's a big scene like at the end of this episode I think that she should've been there. it's sad to be reminded of the beginning of the drama (like when mari talked about hera club) when you know such an important character is missing.

[winged-fool]

Hey friend! Anti-max/echo/Maria anon here 🧡🧡 this is a long one hahahaha… I promised some happy thoughts after the Alex-less last two eps and it’s honestly taken me this long to get my thoughts in order… so I really loved the growth shown by Alex and Michael both in themselves and towards each other this season.. the communication between them was very refreshing 🥰 where there would be misunderstandings and fights in the past, there was open discussion and clarification, which was good to see! Did I hope for more of a build up before Malex reunited - absolutely! I look at all the time wasted throughout the season (on Maria and Wyatt and racists and racist cops and Maria and Maria…) and they definitely could’ve ditched some of that to focus on Malex… but to be honest, I’m actually glad Malex happened quickly because when have the RNM writers ever made a long term storyline work and make sense over multiple episodes..? Never.. so, while I was disappointed in the lack of build up (I wanted pining and longing looks because goddam Tyler and Vlam could’ve delivered it SO well!!), in hindsight I’m relieved because if they did attempt a slow burn then 3 eps later the writers would’ve completely forgotten about it and it would never be mentioned again… murder vision, anyone..? So the last two episodes… Le sigh…… to have Alex so isolated while literally everyone was at deep sky was beyond ridiculous… and there are rumours circulating that Tyler didn’t want to shoot group scenes because of covid (not sure how true this is..) but they could’ve worked around that!! Maybe film Tyler’s scenes alone and then EDIT the scene to make it appear that Alex is also in the room….. or have Alex be the one who found Michael (and Sanders!!!) in 3.12 (MARIA DID NOT NEED TO BE IN THAT EPISODE!!) and then have a scene where Michael explains to Alex that he needs to lay low as Jones knows who he is… like there were SO many ways to work around it but no… instead we had Alex not react in any way to Michael being kidnapped, then in the finale for 4 minutes, and we had Malex’s first date not shown and isolated from everyone… I just can’t even express how frustrating it was… I mean, I’ll still watch season 4 and bitch to you about it every week hahahaha but to see a show with such a talented cast, and interesting and nuanced characters miss the mark on pretty much everything ALL the time just astounds me.. and it shouldn’t because it’s been happening the whole time but I guess I just expected more… which is my own fault hahahaha… ok, I think this ends my rant hahahaha as ever, sending love and positive vibes your way my friend 🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡

Hello my friend! Apologies for the delay in replying! Ah yes I also loved the growth for both Alex and Michael - both individually and together! You're absolutely correct that we can't trust the writers to deliver on a slow burn so I'm also relieved we got their reunion earlier in the season!! I am still pretty disappointed with the way they treated Alex's character in the finale - I'm so angry they missed the opportunity to have Alex losing his mind with Michael being kidnapped and then could have been to find him would have been lovely! Wasted opportunity... I just can't believe the way they dropped the ball on Michael being missing - literally NO ONE cared!! It was so lame and frustrating.

I'm really hoping that we can see better utilization of the characters and cast for s4. But as they've proven over and over again, the writers simply don't know how to handle an ensemble cast!! But yes, I will also be a sucker watching every week for s4 and we can continue to commiserate on how awful it is lol

Sending a lot of love right back at you!! Hope you've had a great Halloweekend!

[stewystew]

I Made A Leverage Timeline Because I Was Bored

Warning: this is like. way too in depth. and very nit-picky in terms of evidence, because I am a horrible perfectionist and my work is never finished.

Episode # - Approx. Date, Length of Job (Explanation) (extra details)

- Time Between Episodes

Most of the lengths are like. The MINIMUM amount of days for the job - “It was night in this scene, and in the next scene it was morning! That’s two days!” - not counting client meetings because there’s usually no way of knowing how much time was spent planning the job. Also, the dates I’m very super not sure about are marked with *asterisks*.

1.1 - May/June 2008, 2 weeks+ (NBA playoffs are April-June, and at that time the fifth games of each round were at the beginning and middle of the month. The stockholders meeting was “at the end of the month” - May/June 27-31, presumably - meaning Dubenich met with Nate within the month of May/June. Personally I think the game was in the semifinals (second round), and in May, bc the first and third round games were literally the first three days of the month and that doesn’t seem like enough time to plan a heist, and calling the finals the “playoffs” sounds weird to me) (this is the most adherent to reality I get, I promise)

- I actually have no clue, but it must have been at least a couple weeks

1.2 - 4 days+

1.3 - 1 week+

1.4 - 1 week+

1.5 - 1 day (Mile High, less than eight hours from the initial break-in to the plane landing)

1.6 - 5-6 days (Miracle Job, ends on a Sunday)

1.7 - ? (Two-Horse)

- However long it took to hook the judge guy

1.8 - 1 day (Bank Shot)

1.9 - 1 week+

- At least one job (team’s mad at Parker for being reckless)

1.10 - 1 week-ish (Juror #6, in Hardison’s closing argument he says that the trial lasted a week)

1.11 - 4-5 days

1.12 - Oct 2008 (Measured from 2.1, and is ~4 months after my 1.1, which lines up with my length estimations, plus a few weeks of wiggle room)

- Four Months

1.13 - Feb 2009

- Six Months

2.1 - Aug 2009 (I don’t actually remember where I got this date, but it’s 15 months from my 1.1, and in Nate’s interview at the beginning of the episode we find out that he’s been with the team for around a year, when the interviewer asks about the gap in his resume)

2.2 - 6+ days

2.3 - 1 day (Order 23)

2.4 - Sept~Oct 2009 (Fairy Godparents, has to happen during the school year) (Sophie spends two days putting together the “science-sical” but I don’t feel confident enough to estimate the rest of this episode’s length)

2.5 - *Sept~Oct 2009*

2.6 - *Late Oct 2009* (The mark mentions a “record breaking third quarter”)

2.7 - *Nov 2009* (Two Crew Live, probably about six months before 2.15 because Eliot says 2.8-2.14 happened within “the last six months”, but I’m willing to fudge by a few weeks)

2.8 - *Nov 2009*

2.9 - <1 week

2.10 - ?

2.11 - Jan-Feb 2010 (Bottle Job, snowing)

2.12 - ?

2.13 - ?

2.14 - Apr 2010 (the East Coast Triple-A baseball league at the time, International League, started playing games in the first week of April)

2.15 - Apr 2010

- Five to Six Months (3.3: Nate was in prison for six months)

3.1 - Oct 2010 (6 months before 3.15)

3.2 - Late Oct 2010 (mark’s company had disappointing quarterly results, Sophie also rescheduled a reunion that would have happened June-July with this date, which makes sense for a reunion) (reunion was on the 28th)

3.3 - 1 day (Inside Job)

3.4 - Nov 2010 (5 months before 3.15)

3.5 - ?

3.6 - ?

3.7 - ?

3.8 - ? (note: Boost Job, mark’s employees are watching the NBA playoffs, and the literal earliest I could possibly push this episode is like. Late July. so I’m ignoring that piece of information.) (however, the NFL playoffs are in January. And that works for my timeline 👀)

3.9 - ?

3.10 - ?

3.11 - one night (Rashomon)

3.12 - Feb 2011, 3-4 days, four months after 3.1

3.13 - 2 days

3.14 - Christmas 2010 (Ok. Listen. Listen. Seasons 3 and 4 just Do Not Work if 3.12 happens before this episode. They just don’t. So I’m going to make the claim that this episode was aired out of order because ✨Christmas✨. Thank you for understanding. I promise, it fixes the whole thing.)

3.15 - Apr 2011 (six months after 3.1) (Also, ~one year after 2.15)

3.16 - Apr 2011, 1 week (from the time they take over the campaign) (Hardison is 24 here, making his birthday somewhere between Mar 25 1986 and Mar 24 1987) (The 2002 Oscars, when he was 15, was on Mar 24)

- Less Than Two Weeks

4.1 - Apr 2011 (three months after a storm in winter shut down the mountain)

4.2 - 2 days (10 Li’l Grifters)

4.3 - ?

4.4 - 1 day (Van Gogh)

4.5 - 1 day (Hot Potato) (exactly two days counting client meeting)

4.6 - ?

4.7 - 3+ days (Grave Danger)

4.8 - ?

- One Very Exciting Job

4.9 - 2 hours (Cross My Heart) (six hours counting the surgery)

4.10 - 3 days (Queen’s Gambit)

4.11 - Sept 2011, 1 week+ (The real life secret society that this was based on recruits in April-ish, but that would shove the past nine episodes into like a month, and also make it so the mark is still doing tests for his “senior project” within weeks of his graduation, so we’re not doing that. It’s My Fav TV Show’s Fake Secret Society And I Get To Pick The Rules)

4.12 - *Sept-Oct 2011*, 4-7 days (Office Job, at beginning of episode the buyout is happening “at the end of the week”)

4.13/4.14 - one night

4.15 - *Mid Oct 2011*, 2 days (Lonely Hearts, I just don’t think the weather in the Hamptons would be quite that nice any later than that?)

4.16 - ?

4.17 - Nov/Dec 2011, 1 day (Radio Job) (a Sunday)

4.18 - Nov/Dec 2011 (Dubenich was in jail for 3 years 5 months 4 days)

- One Year?

5.1 - Nov 2012 (plane’s anniversary is Nov 2nd, 2012)

- Christmas 2012 is when they went “overboard” on gifts

5.2 - Feb-Mar 2013 (That’s when playoffs were for the closest irl thing to that semi-pro league) (there aren’t actually any semi-pro hockey leagues in the US currently!)

5.3 - ?

5.4 - ?

5.5 - Apr-May 2013 (Gimme a ‘K’ Street, cheer comps)

5.6 - ?

5.7 - ?

- Parker tore her ACL, minimum six weeks from here to 5.9

5.8 - 5+ days

5.9 - Aug 28-Sept 11 2013, 1 day

5.10 - Aug 28-Sept 11 2013, 2 days (Frame Up, dates are in the document Sophie prints out)

5.11 - Sept 2013, 1 week+ (Low Low Price)

5.12 - Sept-Oct 2013 (White Rabbit)

5.13 - Sept-Oct 2013 (Corkscrew, harvest season)

5.14 - Christmas 2013 (Toy Job)

5.15 - 2014, 1 day (Last Goodbye, counting only the job)

In conclusion: FUCK season three for having such a clear timeline. Season 2 can stay but it’s on thin fucking ice

Most of this is soooo bullshit but I had fun. so.

[ejruler]

i’m ill and need something to do so here i am compiling a list of good doctor who episodes to watch when you’re looking for a certain theme.

DISCLAIMER: this only includes nu-who, and excludes all spin-off shows such as torchwood

also the series / episode numbers are based off the netflix catogerisation because that’s what i have at my disposal

timeline of river song

(lots of episode crossovers so this is her timeline from the moment she regenerates into river song)

let’s kill hitler (6.8)

closing time (6.12) - river is only right at the end of this episode so you can skip it if you would like

the wedding of river song (6.13)

a good man goes to war (6.7)

the impossible astronaut / day of the moon (6.1/6.2)

the pandorica opens / the big bang (5.12/5.13)

the time of angels / flesh and stone (6.4/6.5)

the angels take manhattan (7.5)

the husbands of river song (9.14)

silence in the library / forest of the dead (4.9/4.10)

the name of the doctor (7.14)

captain jack hardness in all his glory

the empty child / the doctor dances (1.9/1.10)

boom town (1.11)

bad wolf / the parting of the ways (1.12/1.13)

utopia / the sound of drums / last of the time lords (3.12/3.13/3.14)

the stolen earth / journeys end (4.13/4.14)

the end of time (4.18/4.19)

fugitive of the judoon (12.5)

and if u want the face of boe too:

8. the end of the world (1.2)

9. new earth (2.2)

10. gridlock (3.4)

the master:

utopia / the sound of drums / last of the time lords (3.12/3.13/3.14)

the end of time (4.18/4.19)

dark water / death in heaven (8.11/8.12)

world enough and time / the doctor falls (10.12/10.13)

spyfall (12.1/12.2)

episodes to cry over:

bad wolf / the parting of the ways (1.12/1.13)

army of ghosts / doomsday (2.13/2.14)

human nature / the family of blood (3.9/3.10)

the sound of drums / last of the time lords (3.13/3.14)

voyage of the damned (4.1)

the fires of pompeii (4.3)

the stolen earth / journeys end (4.13/4.14)

the end of time (4.18/4.19)

vincent and the doctor (5.10)

the pandorica opens / the big bang (5.12/5.13)

a good man goes to war (6.7)

the wedding of river song (6.13)

the angels take manhattan (7.5)

the snowmen (7.6)

the day of the doctor (7.15)

the time of the doctor (7.16)

dark water / death in heaven (8.11/8.12)

face the raven (9.11)

heaven sent / hell bent (9.12/9.13)

the husbands of river song (9.14)

world enough and time / the doctor falls (10.12/10.13)

twice upon a time (10.14)

episodes for a fun time

rose (1.1)

boom town (1.11)

new earth (2.2)

tooth and claw (2.3)

school reunion (2.4)

smith and jones (3.2)

partners in crime (4.2)

the unicorn and the wasp (4.8)

the eleventh hour (5.1)

the lodger (5.11)

the doctors wife (6.4)

dinosaurs on a spaceship (7.2)

a town called mercy (7.3)

the bells of saint john (7.7)

robot of sherwood (8.3)

the caretaker (8.6)

mummy on the orient express (8.8)

smile (10.3)

thats my list :)

this is mostly from memory so if i missed anything feel free to add

[actuallylorelaigilmore]

Okay... going on a bit of a Schneider x Avery rant for a little bit. I've been reading some of your old posts about them and honestly I really do think they're endgame. If the show were to continue, I think season 3 would've been the closest we ever see Schneider to the family, but I think Avery (bc she doesn't have that much character development) would pull him back to the outer circle for season 4. I don't think they would've brought her back for the finale if they weren't endgame.

(cont) Schneider just barely makes the cut for family in this show. I mean I love him, but the show is about Penelope and her family. If they made too much noise between Penelope’s best friend’s love interest, who has no connection with the rest of the family, it would distract from the main characters too much. Nikki, Schneider’s only other “love” interest had a connection to both Penelope and Alex. But Avery’s there just for Schneider and I’m afraid it would stay that way.

hi anon!! i had to wait a while before answering this one because i knew i would need coherent thoughts and that hasn’t been working so well for me lately

you make two important points here, so i’ll start with the schneider side of it. i agree that s3 was the closest that we’ve ever seen schneider to the family, and that makes sense because honestly even as s3 progressed the storylines for everyone in the family, schneider kind of had the biggest, most consistent arc. (i think alex’s was the next biggest/most consistent. elena and pen and lydia’s stories were more episodic in s3 and sometimes connected more to previous season events than the preceding episodes.)

the showrunners/writers had been planning to address schneider’s sobriety for a while and talked a lot with the actor while they worked on it, and i think they handled it really well. but in my opinion, that all builds up to cementing schneider’s place in the family. not just pulling him into the circle, but making it clear that he belongs there–in a way they aren’t likely to go back on. 

we went from penelope shutting the door in his face in 1.13 when he’s telling her they’re like family, to elena joking about him NOT being family in s2 and him telling a comatose lydia that they’re his family while punctuating his grief with jokes…to the entire family rallying around him in 3.12 after they were all a bit more distant earlier in the season.

elena is the first member of the family to actually direct the word ‘love’ his way! penelope tries to make it clear that he’s important to her just as he is and that he needs to fight his addictions not just for his sake but because of her family, especially the kids! schneider interrupts his big romantic reunion with avery to focus on lydia officially claiming him as an alvarez!

this snippet of an interview todd grinnell gave after s3 mentions the tension between any future schneider would have with avery, and his ties to the family. i don’t know how much the plans for a potential s4 might have changed over time, but since we know the writers do discuss plot arcs with the actors in advance (or at least they have done so with todd before) i believe that when he said this, it was based off his awareness of what the writers were thinking. 

which means that avery could have been brought back to be a source of future conflict–and after schneider’s s3 declaration that ‘family is everything’ it’s not guaranteed that he would choose avery in that scenario. i could see him learning to balance and compromise, maybe, but schneider drifting out of the picture because of his love interest wouldn’t make sense for who he is–unless the actor was leaving the show maybe? i still wouldn’t find it very believable though.

i do agree that avery’s only connected to the show through schneider. that actually bugged me in s3, because they gave her so many little great moments in the beginning to establish who she was, and then she really never interacted with the family even when she was in scenes with them!! they either need to fully include her in s4 or keep her more separate; now that we’re more familiar with her, it won’t make sense at all for her to be in the apartment or at events and ignoring the rest of them most of the time. (unless that’s part of the plot, of course.) i think that avery won’t be likely to get much actual plot unless it starts to be about non-schneider things, like how she affects family members.

i honestly have no idea if schneider and avery are endgame or not. india is too adorable for me to be against it, despite my many objections to how avery was handled in s3 (so much potential after that meet-cute! i ranted in multiple essays about about it!). because the actors are married it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s what the show does, letting schneider’s storylines going forward be more about him maturing and dealing with his first serious lasting relationship. 

i think that how long the show gets to continue existing will also have a lot to do with what turns out to be endgame–if it ends on its own terms in a few years, then we’ll know what their intended endgame was. but if it gets cancelled then i’ll always wonder what they might have been really aiming for.

the biggest thing that you and i seem to disagree about, though, anon, that probably affects how we see the avery stuff playing out, is schneider’s role on the show. you say that he just barely makes the cut for family, and i would argue (as i sort of started to, messily, above) that in fact it’s season 3 that doesn’t just confirm but yells that he’s completely family. 

in the first scene of the season, he comes in and tells the rest of them who their own dead relative is, and in his last scene, avery passes along the news of lydia’s official adoption of him. between all of that, the family sees him turn into someone else while he’s trying to please his father–and they see the relapsed alcoholic he’s never been in their presence before–and they commit even harder to making him feel loved and like he’s a part of them. 

along those same lines, i’d also argue that schneider is a ‘main character.’ not only just technically (because he’s been included in things like promo images for the show since s1, where leslie wasn’t) but in terms of the story. if he wasn’t a main character in seasons 1 and 2, he definitely became one in season 3, when two whole episodes were formed around his arc in addition to his usual mini stories alongside the family.

tl;dr i have no idea if avery is schneider’s endgame but he is an alvarez now and i’ll believe him choosing her over his family when i see it 

[trueloveandotherscificoncepts]

Ranking My Favourite New Who Seasons (& Episodes) Because Why The Fuck Not

This is based on personal preference only. If you disagree, I really couldn’t give a fuck. Don’t @ me.

1. Season Four - starring David Tennant as the 10th Doctor & Catherine Tate as Donna Noble

Best Episodes:

Turn Left (4.11) - Russell T Davis

Midnight (4.10) - Russell T Davis

The Unicorn and the Wasp (4.07) - Gareth Roberts

The Sontaran Stratagem (4.04)/The Poison Sky (4.05) - Helen Raynor

The Stolen Earth (4.11)/Journey’s End (4.12) - Russell T Davis

2. Season One - starring Christopher Eccleston as the 9th Doctor & Billie Piper as Rose

Best Episodes:

Dalek (1.06) - Robert Shearman

The Empty Child (1.09)/The Doctor Dances (1.10) - Steven Moffat

The Unquiet Dead (1.03) - Mark Gatiss

The End of the World (1.02) - Russell T Davis

3. Season Three - starring David Tennant as the 10th Doctor & Freema Agyeman as Martha Jones

Best Episodes:

Utopia (3.10) - Russell T Davis

The Shakespeare Code (3.02) - Gareth Roberts

The Sound of Drums (3.11)/The Last of the Time Lords (3.12) - Russell T Davis

4. Season Eleven - starring Jodie Whittaker as the 13th Doctor & Mandip Gill as Yasmin Khan, Tosin Cole as Ryan Sinclair, Bradley Walsh as Graham O’Brien

Best Episodes:

Demons of Punjab (11.06) - Vinay Patel

Rosa (11.03) - Malorie Blackman & Chris Chibnall

The Witchfinders (11.08) - Joy Wilkinson

Bonus:

Arachnids in the UK (11.04) - Chris Chibnall (because those poor spiders were adorable and they deserved better)

5. Season Ten - starring Peter Capaldi as the 12th Doctor & Pearl Mackie as Bill Potts

Best Episodes:

Thin Ice (10.03) - Sarah Dollard

Knock Knock (10.04) - Mike Bartlett

The Eaters of Light (10.10) - Rona Munro

6. Season Two - starring David Tennant as the 10th Doctor & Billie Piper as Rose Tyler

Best Episodes:

Love & Monsters (2.10) - Russell T Davis

School Reunion (2.02) - Toby Whithouse

The Impossible Planet (2.08)/The Satan Pit (2.09) - Matt Jones

7. Season Nine - starring Peter Capaldi as the 12th Doctor & Jenna Louise Coleman as Clara Oswald

The Zygon Invasion (9.07)/The Zygon Inversion (9.08) - Peter Harness & Steven Moffat

Heaven Sent (9.11) - Steven Moffat

8. Season Five - starring Matt Smith as the 11th Doctor & Karen Gillan as Amy Pond, Arthur Darvill as Rory Williams

Best Episodes:

Vincent and the Doctor (5.10) - Richard Curtis

The Lodger (5.11) - Gareth Roberts

9. Season Eight - starring Peter Capaldi as the 12th Doctor & Jenna Louise Coleman as Clara Oswald

Best Episodes:

The Caretaker (8.06) - Gareth Roberts & Steve Moffat

In the Forest of the Night (8.10) - Frank Cottrell-Boyce

10. Season Six - starring Matt Smith as the 11th Doctor & Karen Gillan as Amy Pond, Arthur Darvill as Rory Williams

Best Episodes:

The Doctor’s Wife (6.04) - Neil Gaiman

That’s it. That’s the only good episode. (But it is at least a very good episode.)

11. Season Seven - starring Matt Smith as the 11th Doctor & Karen Gillan as Amy Pond, Arthur Darvill as Rory Williams, Jenna Louise Coleman as Clara Oswald

Best Epsiodes:

None. It’s awful. Terrible. Just a complete clusterfuck.

[the-roci]

I show him exactly what you said lol he's going to try if only to prove me wrong. I'm re-watching certain episodes of the show and omg I've only just notice Drummer's face during Naomi and Holden reunion in 3.12!! I'm such an idiot to not catch this before I think was too happy at them being together again but her face?? 😭😭Did you see that? This is past subtext. I really hope we have some good or any Draomi scenes in S4.

Oh and I wasn't log in earlier but I send that previous anon :)

Fuuuuck, that scene kills me. Like, tears me open, rips my guts out, and leaves me to die kills me. To the point that I don't even want to reblog it lol

Part of it is that if you're going to make it that clear then make it clear. None of this Naomi saying I love you but there's enough credible deniability to think that she's talking about the Belt bullshit and Drummer asking if Naomi came back for her but in a you came back for the belt way. Make them say they have feelings for each other, you cowards.

And it's so damn obvious and natural and real that dangling it in front of people, especially when Nolden is The Ship is just...not good looks. There's not enough rep on the show to make it stomachable if nothing was going to come from it

And Drummer - strong, resilient, and vulnerable Drummer - is so utterly crushed and it's just...fuck...like, why. Imagine how much she's hurting right now. She doesn't know who Johnson is anymore, she lost control of her legs, and now the woman she loves is back with her partner. I know Drummer is someone who will walk her own damn ass to the infirmary after being shot but protect her.

[cookiedoughmeagain]

Haven DVD Commentaries; 3.12 - Reunion

Commentary with Gabrielle Stanton (writer for the episode) and Brian Millikin (on set for filming)

GS discusses how sad it is that Claire is dead: Audrey liked Claire quite a bit and it was really sad killing that character; a really fun character. BM: It was sad because we created her to die. We knew that she was going to die at this exact part of the season. GS: She did a great job in this scene. BM: I actually really like Evil Claire. I’m sad that we didn’t get to use more Evil Claire.

BM: This was the very first scene that was shot for this episode [As Claire has a gun to the back of Audrey’s head] because we had shot what this scene follows in episode 11 the night before. So they left everything as it was so we could shoot this.

GS: So we realised this season that Nathan’s preferred manner of entry is to shoot the lock off a door. BM: He does it again later in this episode and I think several times this season. GS: I think next season, he’s not even going to check if it’s locked. He’s just going to shoot it. BM: I just would love to see an episode where we’re just in a room just talking and suddenly ‘bam’ and then Nathan flies in just… GS: … just like, Hey who wants coffee?

BM: This episode is where we really start to say ‘the barn’ at least every other line. GS: If someone tries to make this and the next epsiode into a drinking game around that, they will not make it through the episode.

BM [As we see the guy running into the gym and hiding under the bleachers]: I should say, this was an incredibly difficult scene for us to shoot. GS: I was amazed they found those telescopic bleachers. When I wrote it I was worried we’d never find it. BM: Well, the didn’t work as well as you might think that they would. What you can’t see here is that just off screen there is an army of grips, PAs, myself, everyone we could get, pushing them. They weighed about seven million pounds and wouldn’t go anywhere. GS: Well you guys did a great job because that looked very scary.

BM: We shoot a lot at an elementary school that’s near our sound stages, but this was actually a high school that’s about ten minutes outside of town, where a lot of our crew had gone to high school. So up and down the walls, actually just outside of this gymnasium, are the class photos and prom photos for a lot of the crew.

GS: I love the idea of high school reunions because they are great and awful all at the same time. And we thought wouldn’t it be fun to see a little window into Nathan that we don’t normally get to see. Although I can’t really see him having been friends with any of those people. But I think we decided he was probably a bit of a loner as a kid anyway. BM: You can see from the reunion sign there that we were very careful not to say which class they were actually in, or what year this is taking place. Because when we figured out the timelines we realised this would be like their 17th year reunion. GS: Which is kind of an odd year for a reunion. But then Haven always does things a little differently. BM: But I think the reunion idea works well as well because we wanted Nathan and Audrey to have this little special moment, so there was the idea of, What if they danced together?

[As Duke asks the others where Claire is, there is another comment that it’s sad she’s dead] BM: It might have been nice to mourn her a bit longer GS: There’s no time! Things move quickly in Haven.

BM: But what they’re doing here [with the facial composite that show’s them Arla] is super-exciting because this was one of the first ideas we had for the season. GS: With the skinwalker arc, this season is kind of the first season that we’ve had an overall bad guy to run through the entire season. BM: A big bad. GS: A big bad, so to speak; in Buffy parlance. BM: And we always had this idea of the stiched face. GS: I thought that morph [where Arla puts the face on] worked out great. BM: It did. She actually had a body double who was actually in the make-up to make it look like she had no face, and they both took turns putting that mask on and then they merged it all together. GS: We kind of knew what it was going to look like because Nick Parker, our intrepid writers assistant, is also an excellent artist and drew this representation of how it would look, and we actually have it on the wall in our writers’ room. BM: That is something that we should have put on the DVD.

BM: But this was so exciting because we had been waiting all year to get to the Arla Cogan reveal. We even seeded it back in episode 7 in the wedding photo they found in Colorado. And also seeded back into episode one with the kidnappers voice telling Audrey she wasn’t the only one who loved the Colorado Kid. And in fact I think the reason her name is Arla is because the name was Arla in the book, right? GS: It was. The Colorado Kid’s wife in the book was named Arla. We thought that would be nice for fans who had read the book, to do a little call-back. And actually when you think about it, getting back to the Colorado Kid this season was kind of exciting too because it’s the premise the whole series is based on. And we’d moved away from it for a while, but he’s always there in the background. BM: Yeah we hadn’t touched on it much in the second season so I think that was the goal for this season.

GS: I thought this actress [Jeanine] was great; I loved this character. This was fun to do someone who has a Trouble that is not something you’re going to build a whole episode around, but just kind of a fun Trouble. Because not everyone can have a shoot-lightning-bolts-out-of-my-fingers Trouble. BM: I like that she hits on Duke in this scene. GS: I like that big fruity drink. I can’t imagine that being something that Duke would normally serve. BM: This is a good time to mention the director for this episode, as her name comes up on screen, Lee Rose who has done a number of episodes for us. GS: Yep, she is always fantastic. As we are doing this commentary we are shooting season 4 and she just finished an episode for us.

GS: So this is the first time that any of our characters actually talk to the real Arla. BM: He’s surprised that she looks like Supergirl. She is actually Laura Vandervoort, who is one of the nicest people on the planet by the way. GS: She was great. Because it can be fun but also very hard to play the villan. BM: She was good. And she totally got it. I don’t think she had played many villans before, so I think she was excited about that. And that this wasn’t a typical psychopath because … GS: … she is doing it all for love.

GS: That actually looks like it’s sunny out there. Or is that just lighting. BM: It was - this was late august, which is one of the brief periods of time when it’s not raining in Chester, Nova Scotia. All the crew were in shorts and t-shirts and would go swimming in between setups.

BM [As Laura and Duke are talking at the table in the Gull]: This is an example of how great Laura was and how excited we were to have her. I think it’s a common thing that when you’re not on camera [or only the back of your head is] that you often don’t act quite as much. But she would do it every time. And I remember at one point someone said to her; You know you can take it easy, you don’t have to go for it when you’re not even on screen. But she was like, No I’m doing this. GS: Yeah it’s true because that gives the actor they’re playing with so much more to work with. If someone’s just sitting there phoning it in, it’s really hard to give the best performance you can give. GS: So here Arla is trying to create an unholy deal with Duke. And as we know, Duke can be a shady character, we’re not always sure what he’s going to do. BM: That’s true, and this was a big deal set-up because we play this again in a big way in the season finale, when we’re not quite sure what Duke’s going to do.

BM: This was a big deal episode for Vince and Dave too in that they thrust themselves into the middle of the investigation and we get to see them out and about. With a gun! They werre pretty excited about that. They were actually a bit too excited, Richard and John the two actors. But in the same way when they got to be tortured earlier this season; they were excited about it. BM: While Laura Vandervoort might be the nicest woman on the planet, Adam Copeland is the nicest man on the planet. GS: Absolutely. BM: And this episode he said he realised that something about his role in this episode, he was like; I just come in and tell someone something they need to know about the Guard - and then I leave. Which wasn’t necessarily true but it was because we ended up cutting out another scene.

BM: [As we see Denise lying in the pool of oil from the deep fat fryer] That was actually not real grease. It was some clear plastic that they had to lay down on the floor because they weren’t allowed to spill something there. It was just this one solid piece that they clicked this poor actress into. It was pretty hardcore. And it’s not actually really a kitchen either, it’s a kitchnette in the corner of this room, because the actual kitchen in the shool was too small to shoot in. GS: It’s funny you say that about the grease because when Matt McGuinness and I were doing the commentary for 3.04, when the guy was bleeding out we were commenting that there wasn’t as much blood as we remembered, and now that you say that I remember it was because we were leasing someone’s house to do the shot and we couldn’t put too much ‘blood’ on the concrete because it would soak in and stain it. All these little production things you never think about when you’re watching TV.

BM: That was an important conversation [between Audrey and Nathan in the kitchen] that we just talked through I think. Because we had to justify why they were still investigating this case when Audrey is about to go away in a day or two. So she had to tell him that this is actually what she wants to do. GS: She wants to work. She wants to help people. Audrey’s thing is always; My job is to help the Troubled, so I think she would do that up to the very last minute she was in Haven. BM: And I feel like this one [about not cancelling the dance] was also a super-controversial conversation because they decide to go through with the reunion despite the fact that two people have died. GS: Yeah, but I think we did justify it, because if the killer is after people going to the dance, then … BM: We’re using them as bait. GS: Yeah, basically. BM: We’re endangering the lives of everybody. GS: But it is the only way to draw out the killer. And it is also high-stakes for Nathan because he was a classmate. And I think that’s another reason Audrey stayed with the investigation because she was afraid they would go after Nathan.

[As we see Duke walk up to the locker by the water] BM: This was super-exciting because we had one shot at this. Because as soon as he goes in the water, his hair is going to be wet and we can’t do another take. We had one take. So we had to rehearse, and with the position where Teen Duke comes up in the water so that he comes up in the exact right spot. GS: So did Eric have a wetsuit or anything on under his clothes? BM: No. GS: Good for him! BM: I know. Method actor. Also a really great guy. GS: And no snake was harmed in the making of this show.

[About Nathan’s yearbook photo] BM: By the way, that is a real photo of Lucas Bryant as a kid. GS: Really? BM: I thought for months that he was pulling one on us. But it was really him.

[About the Teen!Duke actor] GS: I thought this guy did a fanatstic job. I totally bought it BM: He was great. GS: And if it hadn’t been episode 12 or whatever, couldn’t you see like two or three episodes where we just had a young Duke walking around. BM: Maybe we could bring him back. Some sort of time travel thing. GS: Oh that’s cool. BM: When we cast him he’d never met Eric before, but they spent like half an hour together, and Eric showed him some of Duke’s mannerisms. GS: Yeah I talked to Eric about that. He called me to suggest it and it was a fantastic idea. It was so nice of him. And it helped to get the mannerisms, the body language, to get the speech patterns right - it really made a huge difference. BM: But there was one huge crisis. We were sending people all over the peninsula of Nova Scotia. Because that time when he and Eric first met each other was a Friday (having cast Jake as Teen Duke earlier that week) and we were due to start shooting on the Monday. And Eric was the one who noticed this, he was like; “Jake’s great, it’s going to be great - one problem; our eyes are not the same colour at all”. Jake’s eyes are not the brown colour that Eric’s are. And so everyone decided that we needed to get contact lenses. And we needed to do it fast and the problem was that it was already 6pm on a Friday and everywhere was closed. So it was a case of telling everyone on the crew to stop what they’re doing and asking if they know an optometrist. And someone’s best friend’s college roommate’s dentist worked at a glasses store once or something, and so they got into this place on the Saturday afternoon to get Jake fitted for contact lenses. And Jake had never worn contact lenses before. And they got made and arrived on Monday only a couple hours late so we had at first to shoot not on his eyes. It was pretty crazy; we almost had to stop production. Or we would have had to VFX it in afterwards. GS: Yeah, paint his eyes in in post - that would have been a nightmare.

[As Jeanine tells Nathan about her Trouble} GS: I love this scene. I love the cake of it all. And yes, part of me wishes I had that Trouble. BM: But it’s what you were saying; we have so many Troubles that we would love to do, but we can’t because … GS: Because they’re fun or silly, or not big enough or not stakesy enough, or we can’t get enough story out of it. BM: Well can we spoil some of those, that we know we’re never going to use? What about the guy who is always feeling light-headed, or seasonal disorder guy  …. GS: Wait wait wait - how do you know we’re never going to do that? What, who is seasonal disorder guy? BM: Well I can’t tell you now. Or what about starfish-hands. GS: Oh yeah that I think we will probably never do; the Trouble where all of a sudden someone’s hands turn into starfish. In the writers’ room when we need a temporary curse, that’s our go-to; starfish hands.

BM: I love that Jeanine and Robert end up together at the end, but do you think that they’re just going to eat a lot of cake for the rest of their lives? GS: Well, my thinking of it was that once she actually cut into her own wedding cake, that her Trouble would go away. BM: How did we not get that concept in here? GS: That’s for the sequel.

[As Nathan talks to Teen Duke] BM: This is one of my favourite scenes, because like you wrote in the script, there’s this idea that they start to fall into their old high school pitter-patter of talking and the speed they’re going back and forth. They were great, they got super into it. They got a little too into it and Lee had to tell them that we couldn’t understand what they were saying any more.

GS: Ah, the Teagues! I like that they both have these old Clint Eastwood revolvers. BM: And coming up here is a stunt that Richard Donat had to pull off where he gets clubbed over the head by Dave at the end of the scene. He really did it; there was a mat on the floor for him to fall onto. People were a little concerned, not so much about the fall but because John Dunsworth, who plays Dave, was hitting him with such reckless abandon, with the prop which I think is supposed to be a brass vase, and is made of rubber but is still pretty tough. There, like I’m not sure that was a fake sound effect. But Richard was fine. GS: I thought that moment was fun because I don’t think, hopefully, that anyone saw it coming. BM: No. And we paid this scene off in season 4. GS: We do!

[As Jeanine demonstrates her Trouble] BM: This was very tough to shoot. We had to replace the plate in her hand; she had to stand there holding plates of first carrots and then cake for like 20 minutes.

GS: Audrey looks great when we dress her up.

BM: We filmed too versions of this [where Audrey asks Nathan to dance] and this is the more romantic version where he holds out his hand to her, and I’m really glad this is the one we went with. GS: And that line there was a callback to what Sarah said to Nathan, which is the final decision-making thing for him to go dance with her. BM: Great callback BM: You remember how much we had to go through to get this song? To find a song that worked and that we could get cleared to use. We listened to song after song after song. GS: Yes, we listened to a lot of mid-nineties dance songs here in the writers’ room.

[As we see Robert talking to two others in the corridor] BM: These guys were great. And one of the reasons they were so great together is that all of these actors had worked together in a bunch of plays in Toronto. So they had an instant raport.

BM: You’re about to see one other surprise we had which is that the kid who play Robbie was great, but was also ever so slightly taller than Robert. GS: Ah no one noticed.

BM: This was shot in the actual boiler room of the school. GS: This is much bigger and brighter room than I had pictured. BM: And so this boiler that shoots her in the face, we built ourselves. It was all cardboard.

GS: It would have been fun if Audrey wasn’t immune to the Troubles. We tried to figure out some way that she would turn into a teenager because we thought that would be so fun. But it was not possible. BM: Sometimes the immunity really helps us and sometimes it really hurts us.

BM: There was some controversy as we shot this [the injured Robert lying on the floor] because originally he was on a stretcher, and the EMTs were there, and then someone realised that would mean the EMTs would have to be in on the Troubles because they were going to see all this stuff happening. So that’s why he’s just on the floor here. GS: Oh good point. Although, let’s be honest, the EMTs in Haven have probably seen a lot of stuff.

[As Jeanine is talking to the injured Robert] BM: Ah this is really touching. GS: Yeah I liked this story. Finding true love after all this time.

GS: We spent a long time trying to work out a specific soda, because some of the initial suggestions we then realised hadn’t come out yet in the 80s.

[As Duke turns back to normal] BM: They were very careful there; he was wearing the exact same size wardrobe so that his clothes didn’t change when he did. GS: Yeah I remember we had a lot of wardrobe talks about how that was going to work. BM: And about this scene too [Audrey, Nathan and Duke talking in the Gull] because they’ve all changed clothes. And this obviously is going to be the wardrobe that they are wearing throughout the next episode. GS: Right because there is a lot of running around in the next episode, and so the question was, do we want Audrey in a cocktail dress to have to do everything she has to do in the next episode? BM: And also this is the last moment of calm before the storm so this scene was really heavily scrutinised. Like, what are you going to do if it’s your last night on earth? Like, maybe they would just stay and hangout; play board games. GS: That’s not what I would do on my last night on earth. BM: But they would also want to try and do anything they could to help Audrey.

GS: This was tricky because we don’t do a lot of direct pick-up episodes that are back-to-back time-wise. But this was 11, 12, and 13. And that’s part of what you were talking about earlier, about how we can’t really talk about when the reunion was, because sometimes 9 months will go by when the show is airing but maybe only 5 or 6 days has actually happened across those episodes. BM: Yeah, and there’s almost no time between 10 and 11 also. Which was why we always had to plan from the start of the season how long it was going to be until we got to the Hunter meteor storm. So we had the big board and the season mapped out with the number of days, and we had to keep changing it to make the dates line up. GS: Writers don’t like doing math. We did a lot of math on this season. And if we got any of it wrong, don’t send a letter.

[As Audrey finds Arla in her apartment] GS: This was a tricky scene for them because it was very long, a lot of exposition going on here. And it had the potential to drag. But I don’t think it did. BM: It was a four or five page scene and it’s almost all Arla talking, which is pretty hard to do. This was Laura’s first scene that she shot; we did Claire’s last scene, and then Nathan showed up, and then we did this. She never autioned for the role because she’s a very successful actress so we just asked her if she would do it. So she came in, no one really knew how it was going to go, we were a bit behind that day so there wasn’t any time to even rehearse. So, we shot the first rehearsal and - everyone applauded. She got every single line right, every single word right, and she was phenomenal. I think Emily might have actually hugged her. People were high fiving each other. GS: It’s not easy. I think one of the hardest things for guest actors coming into a series especially is that you’re shooting everything out of order. So, coming in, your first day; you get off the plane, someone puts you in wardrobe, sends you to the set and this is the first scene you have to do. That seems a little daunting. BM: Yeah. And she was struggling even with the hair extensions they put her in. That’s not all her real hair. And she said that every single thing she’s ever done, the first thing anyone ever does is just staple a ton of hair on top of her head. GS: This story of Arla’s Trouble is horrible. But we purposefully constructed it so that, she’s done all these terrible things but you hear the story behind it and you feel a bit sorry for her. BM: Yeah and we had had this in mind since before the season started. We had always been working towards this. And that she would blame Lucy, that she would mistakenly believe that it was all Lucy’s fault. GS: And she has good reason to believe that. BM: Absolutely.

BM: Laura came up to me right before her first take to ask about the scene. And I wasn’t surprised because it’s this 6 page scene and this crazy story, so I was like;  Anything, what do you need? And she was like, “It’s just this one line.” So I thought this was going to be a problem because we had carefully parsed out all these details through this scene. But her point was that Arla referred to James and said she loved him, and Laura said she thought Arla would say “love him” because she’s crazy and she still loves him and thinks that he’s out there. And I almost started crying, I was like “You’re my favourite person on the planet.”

GS: The other thing here is that although that is obviously a prop gun and hollowed out, those are heavy. To hold that up for this whole scene. BM: She was great. GS: The best villans are the ones where you can see their point of view. You don’t agree with it, but you can see where they’re coming from.

GS: I love that effect where the barn appears! And every time you see Howard, you know that something huge is going to happen.

GS & BM: Thanks for listening!

[afaimsarrowverse]

My 25 Favorite Arrowverse-Moments:

Scenes that emmideatly come to mind over all the six shows and that stuck with us – those are the moments found here. For the 25 Favorite Ones I mostly went with emotional scenes and scenes that started or ended amazing character developements. Many moments here are relationship based, however most of them are actually sad. So beware.

 Again as always, this list reflects my own taste, everyone loves what they love. So don’t commment or reblog just to tell me how wrong I am.

 25. Kate keeps the dying Alice company, but realizes that Beth had just died instead (Batwoman Episode 1.12 Take Your Choice)

 That one is tricky to explain, if you have not seen the episode, but basically Alice is dying because a doppelganger of her showed up on Earth Prime. Only one Beth Kane can survive, and Kate chooses to save the sane version of her sister from another Earth over her actual sister, whom she decides to keep company in her last moments. However the twist on this death scene is that Alice suddenly gets better, because Beth was assassinated, and the sisters have to move on from this incident afterwards, with the knowledge that Kate chose the other one over her „real“ sister, which of course changed their relationship on a fundamental level forever, or you know, would have, if the show would have actually gotten a real second season. Still it’s quite an unusal death scene with a twist we would have liked in any other death scene, but not so much here.

24. Oliver gets visited by Tommy‘s Ghost (Arrow Episode 2.9 Three Ghosts)

 It’s Christmas and Oliver is haunted by the ghosts of his past. After Shado and Slade in this scenes it’s Tommy‘s turn, who tells Oliver exactly what he needs to hear, and what he wished he would have heared from Tommy, when he was still alive:. „"I know I called you a murderer, but you are not. You are a hero. You beat the island. You beat my father. So fight, Oliver. Get up and fight back." And you know, it probably is exactly what Tommy would have said to him, if he would have had the chance. After all Ghost Tommy became kind of an interesting occurence later, so maybe he wasn’t so much a ghost as an projection from an Alternate Universe?

 23. Nate’s Resurrection (Legends of Tomorrow Episode 4.16 Hey World)

 Nate dies to get Ray his soul (and body) back and is reunited with his dead father, and we think that’s it, while Zari and Ray sob over his dead body, but now with a little bit of help from the Great Beyond, John and Nora magic him back to life with the power of song and love from humans, magical creatures, and the Legenda alike. And it’s beautiful. Boy, did I sob.

22. Oliver meets his Grown Up Children (Arrwo Episode 8.4 Present Tense)

 Brought to the Present by the Monitor, Mia and William get to meet their long dead father Oliver shortly before his death. „Present Tense“ started with this akward-moving reunion that we have been waiting for since that tireying Flashforwards started in Season 7, and starting with this scene they are finally paying of in a big way. „Arrow“ was seldom any better than this.

21. Mick gives Ray the Coldgun (Legends of Tomorrow Episode 2.4 Abnominations)

 After having lost his suit and saving Mick life earlier in this episode anyways, Mick offers Ray Snarts Coldgun to cheer the latter up and make him his new defacto partner. That scene is important because it’s the start of the peak of the Atomwave Bromance, which has been going on since Season 1, and it also shows us a softer side of Mick, who really wants to help the directionless Ray out here, even if he hides that under his scruff exterior. It’s the point where those two became acutal friends, so yeah, me heart.

20. Kahlil’s Death (Black Lightning Episode 2.11 The Book of Secrets: Chapter One: Prodigal Son)

 That one didn’t stick, but it turned the tide quite spectacular and was the starting point for one of „Black Lightnings“ best storylines, that may even lead right into a potential „Painkiller“ Spin-Off Show. And it definitifly was the saddest and most tragicial moment of the shows. After suriving more than any living person ever should, Kahlil finally dies here, leaving Jennifer heartbroken and the viewers more than a litte shocked.

 19. Thea thanks Oliver for everything he has dona after she learns that he is the Arrow (Arrow Episode 3.13 Canaries)

 Superheroes revealing their real identity to someone are always highlight moments of these shows, but that one parcticulary stands out because … well the scene did go quite different than we thought it would. After Oliver tells Thea that he is the Arrow, his sister … thanks him for everything he has done for Starling City. This shows how far Thea Queen as a character has come since we met her in the Pilot. After not being to supportive in the beginning of the show to Oliver, we now see how far her character development has brought her, as she says not a single unkind word to Oliver about him keeping his secret for over two years, instead she sees it from his perspective. Thea Queen had one of the most amazing character developments in all of „Arrow“ during the first half of the show, and this moment is the prime example for that.

  18. Mick refuses to leave Ray behind in the Gulag (Legends of Tomorrow Episode 1.5 Fail Safe)

 After Snart breaks into the Russian Gulgag to get his team mates out of it, he actually wants to leave Ray, who isn’t a great shape at this point, behind, but Mick refuses to. Not only is „Fail Safe“ the birth of Micks and Rays friendship, the episode and this scene in particular is the moment Mick Rory was given to us. After being portrayed as a rather one dimensional slighty crazed villain in „The Flash“ „Legends“ developed Heatwave in the loveable pyromanic bestseller author we love today, and all of that started exactlx in this moment, when Mick refused to leave someone behind, who stuck out his neck for him. Mick‘s Hero Journey begins exactly here, and, yes, Mister Rory, you are a hero. One can be a criminal and a hero at the same time, you know, and well a bestselling romance writer. That too.

17. The Mad Brainy is talked down from opening the Bottle (Supergirl Episode 5.10 The Bottle Episode)

 In Querl Dox‘s finest hour we meet quite a lot of different versions of him from all across the Multiverse, among them one, who bottled up his own Earth on order to safe it from the Anti-Matter Wave and is now guilt ridden to the point of madness. And wants to open up the bottle again to free his Earth but … well that would be very bad for Earth Prime as you can imagine. After learning a lot about Brainy‘s backround and the history of mental illness in this family, this moment hits all the right cords, showing that darkness, love, guilt and forgiveness all come in pairs, especially for Brainiac-5 in all corners of the Multiverse. It also forshadowed Brainy‘s Arc for the rest of the season: That he is capable of doing the wrong thing for the right reasons but not without suffering immensly because of his own actions.

16. Oliver reveals his real identity to Tommy (Arrow Episode 1.16 Dead to the Rights)

 Like I said before, Identity Reveals are always special, and this one is probaly the most important one out of all of those. Oliver reveals his real identity to Tommy in order to get him to trust him so that he can save him. But remember, at this point of the show the Hood is running around murdering people. So Tommy does not learn that his best friend is a hero, he learns that his best friend is a murderer, who still happens to save people at the same time. While Oliver is willing to do anyhting to save his friend, by revealing his real identity he might have done more harm than good to their relationship on the long run. Mostly though it’s a beautifiul written and acted scene.

 15. Nate tells Ray that he loves him and nothing will change that (Legends of Tomorrow Episode 4.11 Seance and Sensibility)

 Legends of Tomorrow did many great things, but its greatest achievement may be the friendship between Nate and Ray, that shows us a masculine friendship framed as a femine one. Steelatom are bros, who talk about their feelings, soft men who are nerds together, never fall victim to toxic masculinity and never fret over the L-Word or physical contact. They are just best friends and are unashamed of it. In this scene Nates father was killed, and everyone believes that Rays Love Interest Nora Darhk did it. And Ray is now worried that Nate might hold his feelings for Nora and his trust into her against him (which shows his own insecurity and his lack of meaningful relationships before he joined the Legends), however Nate tells him that he still loves Ray and always will, no matter whom he trusts or whom he fancies. Which honestly is how it is supposed to be between actual friends.

14. Barry kisses Iris before the Tidal Wave (The Flash Episode 1.15 Out of Time)

 In this alternate timeline, which Barry erased by travelling back in time for for the first time, Central City is hit by a massive tidal wave. Just before that circumstances lead to the first kiss between Barry and Iris, that is erased from existence only minutes after it happens, which is classic Flash-Stuff, really, and a an unforgetable epic moment.

13. Sara tells Ava that she can’t ever be normal (Legends of Tomorrow Episode 3.12 The Curse of the Earth Totem)

 After a Legends Emergency interupted Saras date with Ava, she splits on her date, who confronts her about that fact in this scene. In an emotional break down Sara admits that she is not normal, can never be normal, and should have never tried to be normal at all. Dating is not her thing, fighting is. In her mind Ava is the perfect daughter in law, while she is the opposite. And she does not think that someone like Ava would ever want someone like her. However Ava actually surprises her by admitting that she does not want someone normal, she does not want a Sara trying to be normal, she wants Sara just the way she is. Which leads to the couples first kiss of course. Which is then rudley interrupted by pirtates, but yeah, this is good stuff, classic romantic comedy with a Legends twist, just how we like it.

 12. Westallen Wedding Vows (Legends of Tomorrow Episode 3.8 Crisis on Earth X Part 4)

 Barry und Iris actually did not get married on „The Flash“, but during an episode of „Legends of Tomorrow“ right at the end of the „Crisis on Earth-X“ Crossover. After having actually given up on the big wedding idea, they are talked into marrying anyway, letting themselves be joined by John Diggle, who for some reason got the license to marry people. And so they do get married, with just the right vows, that reflect what they mean to each other. Sadly the wedding itself is still kind of a disaster, because someone has to interrupt it and make it into a double wedding, which the producers thought to be a nice idea, and it might have even been one, if they would have decided on it before and not during the ceremony, so the favorite moment is not the wedding itself, but the Wedding Vows, but boy, those are really beautiful.

11. Zari‘s Speech (Legends of Tomorrow Episode 3. 11 Here I go again)

 Stuck in time loop, not knowing that she is actually trapped in a Gideon run simulation in her own head, Zari here thinks that the only way to save everyone else is to sacrifice herself, but before she goes, she has some words for all of her team mates, moving beautiful words, that show how much she actually loves her team and make us love her all the more for it. This is the episode where both the writers and Tala discovered what makes Zari special and you can tell - never was any Zari Moment more magicial, and this moment led right to the end of Season 4 and everything that went on with Zari in Season 5, and that’s just one more reason to love it.

 10.  Nate and Ray so Goodbye to each other (Legends of Tomorrow Episode 5.7 Romeo V Juliet: Dawn of Justness)

 Parting is the hardest sorrow. No one wanted Brandon to leave Legends, Brandon did not want to leave Legends, no one wanted Ray gone, but he still left, left us and left his best friend Nate, whom he is saying goodbye to in this scene, after Nate initially refused to say goodbye, just like we would have wanted to. No one died in that scene, but it certainly felt like it. We all get that life is change, we just don’t want unnecessary change for financial reasons. This moment might have gotten us a Season 6, but we would have preferred for it to happen during the Series Finale or even better never. But it was still beautiful though.

 9. Oliver dies and tells Kara and Barry that they are the Best among them (Supergirl Episode 5.9 Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 1)

 We all knew Oliver Queen was going to die during Crisis on Infinite Earths, we just didn not expect him to die at the end of Episode 1! In a crazy plot twist he sacrificed his life to save additional millions of people from Karas Earth, hardly making it to Earth-1, where he had some important parting words for Barry and Kara and then left his friends and his daughter in tears when he left his body behind. Yes, he came back, kind of at least, for the rest of the Crossover, but this does not change the fact that this moment was a very hard hitting one, especially for the people on and off screen who love him.

8. Nora is written out of the Timeline (The Flash Episode 5.22 Legacy)

 Nora went back in time to change the timeline, but she kind of forgot to account for the fact that this might endanger her own life. As the timeline does change during the Finale of Season 5, the version of Nora we have come to know and love is written out of existence. Instead of hiding away in the Negative Speed Force, Nora accepts her fate, prefering to die over changing who she is deep inside, and she is erased out of existence while her distraught parents have to watch her go. A new version of her will likely be back at some point, but this version is gone for good in a way only Eobard Thawne deserves. Cruel but still a great moment.

7. Adrian blows up Lian Yu (Arrow Episode 5.23 Lian Yu)

 How can ever forget this Cliffhanger Ending? After not succeding in breaking Oliver Queen for good, Adrian changes tactics and abducted his loved ones and plans to kill them all, which is what he is doing in this scene. Having hidden explosives on Lian Yu which will detonate when he takes his own life, Adrian does exactly that – he blows away his brains in front of Oliver and his son William, while detonating the explosives at the same time, potentially killing of the whole Cast of „Arrow“ from Felicity to Thea, Quentin, Diggle, Dinah, Rene, Curtis, Black Siren, Evelyn and even Nyssa and Slade. Even though the only one that actually died was Samantha Clayton, the explosion did put Thea in a coma and gave Dig nerve damage. But in truth that scene is not about what actually happened after it, it is about what went on during it. Oh, Adrian, you win, you are the ultimate Foe of „Arrow“, we will give you that.

6.      Martin‘s Death (Legends of Tomorrow Episode 3.8 Crisis on Earth X Part 4)

 Death Scenes are always hard, but this one, was especially hard. It was mean, because Martin was in the middle of a storyline that would have taken him out of Legends anyways, but it also was especially heart breaking because it’s Martin Stein, damn it. We love him! Also there was something very authentic about this scene. Death scenes can feel very staged at times, but this one even thoug it had it all – speeches, goodbyes, the right person next to the dying one – this felt every thing else but staged, it felt real, in a way no other Death Scene on those shows ever did. And it’s maybe the saddest death scene out of all the shows. Because there is no win here, no lesson, no cool action, only a sad goodbye.

 5. Eddie‘s Death (The Flash Episode 1.23 Fast Enough)

 And speaking of mean deaths. This one … Eddie sacrificed himself to erase Eobard out of existence, but who has come back since then, like multiple times? Yes, exactly. Ralph was not wrong with the Vasectomie Idea. But nevertheless, this is one of the greates moment of „The Flash“. After telling Eddie he means nothing to History, Eddie is the one who beats Eobard in the end, by taking is own life in order to prevent him from ever existing. Iris loses Eddie, Barry loses Eddie, we lose Eddie, who died a hero, was never forgotten but is not given back to us, no matter how much we beg. It was an out of nothing twist, inceredible mean and sad, but a really great moment.

4. Kara‘s Hope Speech (Supergirl Episode 1.20 Better Angels)

 Kara‘s Hope Speeches have become kind of a running gag at this point, but they all date back to her first and greatest one. When needed Kara adresses the people of National City via Television, urges them to fight back, to not give up hope, and after we heard this incredible well written and delivered speech, even we thought for a single moment that maybe such a thing as hope does actually exist. Kara told us: „ When facing an attack like this, it's easy to feel hopeless. We retreat, we lose our strength, we lose ourselves. I know. I lost everything when I was young. When I first landed on this planet, I was sad and alone. But I found out that there is so much love in this world, out there for the taking. And you, the people of National City, you helped me. You let me be who I'm meant to be. You gave me back to myself. You made me stronger than I ever thought possible, and I love you for that. Now, in each and every one of you, there is a light, a spirit that cannot be snuffed out. That won't give up. I need your help again. I need you to hope. Hope... that you will remember that you can all be heroes. Hope... that when faced with an enemy determined to destroy your spirit, you will fight back and thrive. Hope... that those who once may have shunned you will, in a moment of crisis, come to your aid. Hope... that you will see again the faces of those you love. And perhaps even those you've lost." We hope so too, Kara, we really do, because after this year, we really need nothing more than hope.

3. Barry meets his dying Mother (The Flash Episode 1.23 Fast Enough)

 When presented with the opportunity to change the timeline and save his mother, Barry reculantly takes it and travels back to the night his mother died in the Season 1 Finale. However he does not save her, instead he ends up letting it happen, but saying goodbye to his mother instead, siting by her while she dies. Of all the sob-worthy moment of all the shows, this one is definitfy up there in Top 3, and will forever remain there, because this one is more than just a little bit hard, isn’t it?

2. Oliver dies as the Spectre (Arrow Episode 8.8 Crisis on Infinite Earths Part 4)

 And back to Oliver dying again. After becoming the Spectre, Oliver kills the Anti-Monitor (because he failed this Universe, remember?) and restarts the Multiverse with the help of the Paragons (no Lex, it wasn’t you that made a new one, you only helped!). However this has burned up all his energy, so he dies for the second and final time during this Crossover. Sara und Barry are sitting with him while he goes and reminds Barry of the final lesson his life had thaught him: „Dying is the easy part.“ Living is what’s hard, but it’s also worth it. Excuse me for a moment, I am over there sobbing quietly.

1.      Quentin‘s Last Speech about  Oliver (Arrow Episode 8.10 Fadeout)

 Wait, you say, how can that be Number 1? Well for a simple reason, apart from the fact that Oliver always fought for Quentins respect, that speech actually does sum up nicely what „Arrow“ was really all about. Forget Olivers messy love life, the bow and the arrow, the fight scenes and the villains. „Arrow“ was always about change, it was about character development, about how people can change. Not only Oliver‘s storyline, but mainly Oliver‘s, was about how you can always change for the better, how you can always dig yourself out of the hole you are in right now, out of all the pain, the depression, the darkness. „Fadeout“ was many things, but it succeeded on one simple level: It reminded us again what „Arrow“ was all about, and no moment incoperated that better than Quentin‘s Last Speech about Oliver: „Oliver Queen wasn't just a hero. He was a good man. He was an honorable person. The fact that he didn't start out that way makes him, in my book, even more honorable. He stands as a reminder to all of us that anyone can change.“ And that is ultimatley what a Hero‘s Journey is all about.

[milfwizards]

emoraven for the ship thing!!

General:

Rate the Ship - Awful | Ew | No pics pls | I’m not comfortable | Alright | I like it! | Got Pics? | Let’s do it! | Why is this not getting more attention?! | The OTP to rule all other OTPs

How long will they last? - I'm aware that it's unreasonable to say forever but forever.

How quickly did/will they fall in love? - It happens very gradually and then even once they've both realized it they spend a while denying it and believing it's one-sided before they actually get their shit together

How was their first kiss? - Starts out sweet, gets really passionate

Wedding:

Who proposed? - Emori, really casually. They're lying around one day and she's just like “hey, Raven, what if we got married?” and Raven is like “yeah? what if we got married?” and Emori's like “we should do that” and Raven is like “are you proposing to me? okay chill.”

Who is the best man/men? - John Murphy and it's exactly as great as you'd expect.

Who is the braid’s maid(s)? - Clarke Griffin. Emori is conflicted about this – on the one hand, she's not a huge fan of Clarke, but on the other hand, Clarke is the reason the seven survived Praimfaya, and she's not too proud to be at least a little bit grateful for that.

Who did the most planning? - Bellamy Blake.

How fancy was the ceremony? -Back of a pickup truck | 2 | 3 | 4 | Normal Church Wedding | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | Kate and William wish they were this big.

Who was specifically not invited to the wedding? - Anyone who would be specifically not invited (Raven's mom, Emori's parents) is either dead or presumed dead in canon so there isn't anyone they specifically don't invite.

Who stressed the most? - Emori and Raven both stress out about the fear of disappointing one another; Bellamy Blake stresses out about the ceremony and Emori and Raven have to stage an intervention.

Sex:

Who is on top? - The one flaw in this relationship is that they're both 100% tops. They have to flip a coin.

Who is the one to instigate things? - Did you see the Memori reunion scene in 3.12? Emori is an instigator.

How healthy is their sex life? -Barely touch themselves let alone each other | 2 | 3 | 4 | Once a couple weeks, nothing overboard | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | They are humping each other on the couch right now

How kinky are they? -Straight missionary with the lights off | 2 | 3 | 4 | Might try some butt stuff and toys | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | Don’t go into the sex dungeon without a horse’s head

How long do they normally last? - Like fifteen minutes? But they usually go several times in a row so.

Do they make sure each person gets an equal amount of orgasms? - I mean they're not like keeping score but they are both invested in each other's orgasms so no one leaves unsatisfied.

How rough are they in bed? -Softer than a butterfly on the back of a bunny | 2 | 3 | 4 | The bed’s shaking and squeaking every time | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | Their dirty talk is so vulgar it’d make Dwayne Johnson blush. Also, the wall’s so weak it could collapse the next time they do it.

How much cuddling/snuggling do they do? -No touching after sex | 2 | 3 | 4 | A little spooning at night, or on the couch, but not in public | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | They snuggle and kiss more often than a teen couple on their fifth date to a pillow factory.

Children:

How many children will they have naturally? - Zero

How many children will they adopt? - One or two

Who gets stuck with the most diapers? Raven, by virtue of the fact that's it way easier to change diapers when you have two normally-functioning hands.

Who is the stricter parent? - Raven, I think.

Who stops the kid(s) from doing dangerous stunts after school? - Honestly neither of them they both think said stunts are “learning experiences” that “build character.”

Who remembers to pack the lunch(es)? -Emori probably.

Who is the more loved parent? - I don't wanna pick!!!! But probably Emori??

Who is more likely to attend the PTA meetings? Occasionally Emori will go, but only to laugh at the PTA Parents. Raven doesn't do that shit, although you can bet they both show up to parent-teacher conferences and they are a power couple.

Who cried the most at graduation? - Neither of them shed any actual tears but honorary uncles Murphy and Bellamy are bawling.

Who is more likely to bail the child(ren) out of trouble with the law? - Emori has a +5 to charisma she can sweet-talk and/or intimidate the fuck out of the law.

Cooking:

Who does the most cooking? - Raven is actually pretty okay in the kitchen.

Who is the most picky in their food choice? - Raven – Emori will eat whatever is set in front of her.

Who does the grocery shopping? - Raven because she knows what they need.

How often do they bake desserts? - Not regularly but occasionally Emori gets the urge to be domestic and makes brownies or something (are they weed brownies? It's 50-50 honestly)

Are they more of a meat lover or a salad eater? - Raven's a salad-eater because she's pretty concerned with her fitness; Emori's more of a meat-lover because it tastes so damn good and also it's got more fat and more calories than salad (and she's even more used than Raven to going without).

Who is more likely to surprise the other(s) with an anniversary dinner? - Neither of them are really into big romantic gestures like that, but if I had to pick, I think it would be Emori.

Who is more likely to suggest going out? - Raven; she cooks but she's always happy for an out.

Who is more likely to burn the house down accidentally while cooking? - Emori; Raven, however, is more likely to burn the house down in general.

Chores:

Who cleans the room? - I'll say Emori because I feel like I've been giving Raven all the responsibilities.

Who is really against chores? - Both of them, but Raven especially.

Who cleans up after the pets? - Hmmm. I feel like Raven does the picking up, but Emori pulls her weight with the feeding and such.

Who is more likely to sweep everything under the rug? - Emori

Who stresses the most when guests are coming over? - Neither of them; for the most part, their only guests are their nerd friends. Raven gets a little antsy when Abby Griffin comes over, though.

Who found a dollar between the couch cushions while cleaning? - Emori

Misc:

Who takes the longer showers/baths? - Emori

Who takes the dog out for a walk? - They go together it’s a family experience

How often do they decorate the room/house for the holidays? - They decorate the yard for Halloween and the interior of the house for Christmas, but that's about it.

What are their goals for the relationship? - They're just gay together man isn't that enough?

Who is most likely to sleep till noon? - Raven all the way.

Who plays the most pranks? - Emori, but not usually on Raven.

[wherethetreessway]

I am gonna savor the agony...

I have decided to wreak havoc on my battered emotions in the name of Outlander. We have waited FOREVER to get to A. Malcom’s door, so in honor of it being Printshop month, I am gonna go back and watch these parts in order. “Logically”, the fresh pain of these scenes is going to make their reunion that much sweeter. *sobbing already*

 3.12-Jamie telling Claire “…but this home is lost…”

3.12- Jamie telling Claire “Lord, you gave me a rare woman And God, I loved her well.”

3.12- Jamie and Claire slow dancing to the stones as they sob “I love you’s”.

2.01- Claire frantically searching for Jamie’s ring then releasing a soul-ripping scream.

3.12-Jamie at the stones smelling Claire’s plaid.

2.01- Claire asking who won the battle of Culloden then sinking to floor.

3.12-Jamie seeing Claire on the battlefield.

3.02-Jamie seeing Claire at Lallybroch.

2.13-Claire seeing Jamie at Lallybroch.

3.04-Claire after believing Jamie really gone.

3.03-Jamie right after believing Claire truly gone.

And finally this promo that undid me:

We can face the next two weeks! Printshop is coming!!!

[televinita]

Zoo 3.12

Preview: Sam can go DIAF with Abigail, Interrupting Dariela is the worst and the writers need to stop using her to squee-block me, Mitch/Jamie is my everything and I need Jackson to come back into the fold with them, and how the hell did I come up with so many words for an episode that was mostly plot advancement and only had like five standout scenes.

Mitch/Jamie 1. Looks like at least part of my headcanon last week about Mitch letting Jamie out can't be jossed! I'm so glad we got this scene in a sneak peek, because I replayed Jackson's indignation and Mitch's cheerfully dismissive response to it about 80 times. 2. Would it be irresponsible of me to assume that they spent last night together? Because part of me is still wondering if they've even touched in the wake of everything, but I would really like to believe they drowned their sorrows in each other. I don’t know how to reconcile the easy banter of the next number or the fact that they don’t touch in this episode. 3. I love the glee Mitch takes in pestering Jamie about her apparent fear of babies, all geared up to tease her mercilessly -- this must be the most fun he's had in days -- and how fast the truth wipes the smug smirk off his face. It's beautiful and terrible and I hope it socked him right in the gut to see the extent of the damage his words did. If he didn't introduce the thought into her head, he sure cemented whatever doubts she already had. 3.5. And kudos to Kristen Connolly for being able to sell those lines with a straight face, because on paper it looks hella dramatic to be like "I'm so awful that I will physically curse a baby if I touch it" 4. I am little embarrassed that my headcanon gets shot down when Mitch not only doesn't take back the darkness line, he doubles down to include himself in it -- but I also really, really like him admitting he would have killed Abigail himself?  "I've been thinking" is a fic prompt and I would love a little character study of Mitch coming to this realization, but either way, I’m intrigued by Dark!Mitch. I want the antidote in hand, I need to be able to believe they will eventually run away and find the light at the end of tunnel, but right now I could be very into a Dark & Twisty OTP of Pain and Feelings. 5. "She kept me away from everything and everyone I ever cared about. Everyone I love." Said with bold and unflinching eye contact and I am 6% frustrated that this is about the third time he's confessed his feelings and Jamie is still batting a hundred on insufficient reactions to them, but 94% overjoyed that the L word is out there to more than just some thugs in a bar. Sometimes there are more exciting ways to hear it than the standard 3-word way. (not that I would turn that down) 6. Now I just need to know who is responsible for Interrupting Dariela arriving on TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS instead of extending either "darkness" convo scene literally ten or twelve more seconds for some kind of proper resolution before a scene change. Tell me he wasn’t about to reach for her hand in the first one. (Also. It takes a magnifying glass and freeze framing, but I'm pretty sure in the split second before they get interrupted the second time, it looks like their hands were or about to be in contact and are drawing apart as the shot goes wide?) A Series Of Live Viewing Reactions To Clem's Baby Daddy 1. Awwww @ Sam hoping (in vain) that Mitch will accept him as a real member of the family. 2. WHAT THE SHIT, SAM. I TRIED TO BE NICE TO YOU. 3. All right, abort that whole plan from last week about letting him be HOH, Sam can fuck off and die and I hope Mitch takes such full ownership of the baby* that he takes to introducing him to people as "my kid, once removed." I'm not Jackson and I don't care who was raised by a madwoman. If Abe's voice + everyone's love for Clementine didn't convince you you're on the wrong team, you are beyond help and I’ll put you down.

*I don't think I can fully convey to you the amount I love Mike Baxter's relationship with Boyd on Last Man Standing, mostly because I'm not sure how many people know this show exists. 4. ...ABIGAIL R U SERIOUS. (Guys, I'm sorry if I previously claimed to be off the sympathy-for-the-devil train; those were lies but I am sure as hell off it now with her baby-snatching reveal and subsequent taunting. That's not even emotional torture porn, that is just cruelty for its own sake.) 5. Welp, I think you know what this means, Mitch and Jackson bonding over shooting straight from raising a baby to parenting a 20-year-old Y/Y?? 6. But seriously, I am so upset at not even considering this theory before today. He's the right age! He's a conveniently random orphan! This show is all, "People love twists!" I kept assuming the father of the Miracle Baby had to be someone super significant! The biggest kicker of all is that I've assumed from the get-go that Jackson's late wife was black (which I hope is not somehow racist to assume?), and Sam is right there looking plausibly biracial as heck, and somehow not once did those two threads of thought ever cross. Come On Guys, Be Bros When I made this tongue-in-cheek request last year re: Mitch and Jackson, I could not in my wildest dreams have imagined them to one day share a grandchild, so while I honestly don't care how Jackson's being-a-daddy issues will play out, I care VERY MUCH what it means that he and Mitch are now on the same family tree, starting with how he now has an ironclad excuse to bond with Clementine and never be out of her life again. (I guess he can bond with his actual kid too. if he must.)

But that short chat on the upper level, just listening to them talk about their respective families is like catnip to my ears. I don't know how I'm supposed to read Mitch's expression after Jackson walks off in his "you worry about your family, let me worry about mine" huff, so I've elected to interpret it as "You're my family too, dumbass." (hush and let me have my dream) (Also I would kind of like to know why Jackson is still as willing to talk rationally with Mitch as he is given that Mitch is on Team Jamie, or as Jackson prefers to call it, She Devil Incarnate. I mean, it boils down to Jackson being a sexist jerk, but I still want to have All The Thinky Thoughts about how Mitch functions as a go between.) Beta Ship 2.0 MY SHIP RADAR IS BACK ON AND FULLY FUNCTIONING. I don't want to scare it away by being too excited about it. Just know that my heart burst into bloom when they got their reunion hug*, crescendoed for the kiss, and by the time they were fawning over the baby together it was pretty well at a tea kettle pitch. *Abe and Dariela take over as the center of the frame immediately, but am I looking at it or listening to them at all? No. I'm trying to shove them out of the way and peering at the edge of the screen where my new faves are nearly out of the frame, persistently tracking Jackson's hands on Tessa as they examine her cut and cup the back of her head and asdlkasjdfasd time to go dig up the 3x01 Time Capsule O' Sweetness. Various and Sundry -I enjoyed the writers finally acknowledging how awfully prone to hacking / general failure this plane is. -This was going to be its own category, but it's late, so suffice to say that Mitch + Not Being A Mess Of Emotions About His Dead Father was very nicely dovetailed with concern for Clem and a cute debate about baby names, and I'm just happy they addressed it all, if still annoyed that the impact of Max's death on Jamie was not. -Jackson takes up Mitch's vacated seat next to Clementine when the plane starts falling and has his hand bracing the baby's head and yes hello I am dying. -Clem is so excited to offer her baby to Jamie for holding, even eager to reassure her "you won't hurt him," and yes hello I am dying again. -"I know I'm right. Want to be more specific?" = thank u for this small slice of "sass that totally happens in the Normal World AU of Domesticity" (also, the pushing up his glasses bit here? ridiculously cute)

-"I don't need you to tell me what needs to be done [about Abigail]." OK Jackson, but like...you kinda do.   

-I told you before I had 18 heart attacks watching this episode live, so I don't think it's unreasonable to mention dying again re: the part where Jamie has the baby foisted upon her before she can protest, and Baby immediately stops crying*... Wait, no, this is the opposite of dying. This moment is Life.

-*nice insufficient reaction to noticing her finally holding the baby, Mitch. Who is directing this episode, because they are Bad at it. -I literally could not be more neutral about Logan's face or potential longevity. I am a 0 on the PH scale of feelings. -Everything about Jackson's final face off with Abigail and her stupid endless villain gloating was the wooorst. -I am a little concerned that reaching the barrier is supposed to qualify as our traditional episode 12 "get off now if you want this series to have a happy ending" exit, both because it's not that satisfying and because there is way too much left unresolved. I can only hope this means that we'll get it near the end of the real finale, with only a tiny twist at the end to set up a hypothetical season 4 that can be easily pinched off and forgotten if need be. Up Next: I'm not sure if I can watch the finale live. I have to have all my work done 6 hours earlier than usual, and then I'm taking off to go dog-sit all day, and if I watch it live I am gonna be useless from the time it starts airing until I drop from emotional exhaustion around 3 AM. If I can get enough work done by 9 PM, I probably will, but I also kind of want to savor it in case this is the last new one I ever get.