#2020 presidential debate

[littleapocalypsekitten]

I went looking for Presidential debate memes and my Gen-X ass was not disappointed.

[deqncas]

Welcome back November 5th 2020 !!!

[justinspoliticalcorner]

Oliver Willis at Daily Kos:

Confronted by presidential debate moderator David Muir on his incessant lies that he won the 2020 election, Donald Trump insisted that he did not acknowledge his loss “at all.” Responding to Muir quoting a previous Trump statement that he lost the race “by a whisker,” Trump said he had only made the remark “sarcastically.” “There’s so much proof, all you have to do is look at it,” Trump said, advancing once again his election conspiracy. “They should have sent it back to the legislatures for approval.”

At Tuesday’s debate, Donald Trump repeated the lie that he “won” the 2020 election. FACT CHECK: Trump lost the 2020 election.

See Also:

HuffPost: 2 Months Before The 2024 Vote, Trump Reprises 2020 Election Lies That Led To Jan. 6

[foxy-kitsune-fox]

I will vote for a woman for president in United States Of America 🇺🇸 and it’s not Kamala Harris (Democrat/Liberal), it’s Jill Stein (Green Party). ❤️

~ Baron Tremayne Caple A.K.A. Foxy Fox/Foxy Kitsune Fox/Fox Man/Fox King/King Fox/Gemini Man/Autism Man/Rainbow Man Is A Metrosexual/God Of Autism/King Of Autism/God Of Asperger/King Of Asperger 🦊

[hauntedvulcan]

Hoping a fly makes its way onto JD Vance's head like how it did to Mike Pence in 2020

[busterballsblog]

KAMALA HARRIS is the One Prophesized in the book of Revelations, She is the "COSEN ONE" !!! She was appointed an chosen by the Beast. Not a single vote was cast in our so called Democracy, its the Abomination spoken of.

[luesmainblog]

incase y'all don't remember this gem from the last election

[derseprinceoftbd]

We're all going to die because the slightly less fascist/antisemitic/xenophobic economically illiterate old fuck can't fucking make a fucking coherent argument to save all of our lives

Are you hearing this shit.

It should have been Hillary. It should have been Hillary. It should have been Hillary.

It should always have been Hillary.

[strawberri-draws]

sketchbook oc doodles from class today—I love sketching with pen

[reactionimagesdaily]

[klanced]

mx katie klanced are we voting voltron straight through in the worst fandom poll or genshin. your troops await

i am so sad i missed this poll. i am now going to hold you all hostage and force you to read my outrage. i know this ship sailed literally two weeks ago but LISTEN TO ME!!!!!

anyway i cannot BELIEVE that voltron lost to south park. the category was "most annoying fandom." this is distinctly different than "most annoying show" or "worst show," and it is NOT synonymous with "most unhinged fans." okay? for this poll, what matters is the group character and cultural staying power of the fandom that organized around the show.

an annoying fandom must be:

incredibly vocal and prominent, to the point that even the most reluctant and detached layperson still has some vague idea of the fandom's biggest discourse/fights, usually entirely against their will; and

annoying, in the sense that the fandom's presence (or even a mere reference to their presence) is enough to actively disrupt or impede one's ability to enjoy online internet spaces; and

the fandom is annoying BECAUSE of the source material in question.

point 1 is fairly subjective, as it's all based on one's own experience or perception of a show's cultural diffusion across the broader public consciousness. so i weigh it less heavily when ranking how annoying a show is.

for point 2 i would argue that south park is annoying, and south park fans are annoying, but the south park fandom itself is NOT as annoying (i.e., the fandom is the least annoying aspect of south park). this is because i firmly believe you can differentiate between south park fans versus the south park fandom.

[[actually if i can be frank -- does south park actually have an organized fandom? obviously they have fans, i have seen them in the twitter wilds (usually in the context of out-of-context incredibly well-developed yaoi art/content of? 10 year olds ?????????). but is there actually a cohesive fandom that routinely interacts and develops concepts together? is there a collective identity ??????? my gut reaction is no, but this is very much an online space i don't enter, so what do i know? i also have no idea what that fandom can even talk about, other than the yaoi (although you could easily say this to the voltron fandom as well). whatever, for this argument i will presuppose that there IS a organized south park fandom with a fairly coherent and cohesive identity.]]

anyway, what i wanted to highlight is that there are certainly incredibly annoying individual south park fans who are outrageous, vulgar, and vile. so you would think that, if you put all these annoying individuals into a single collective, that single group would have skyrocketing amounts of annoyingness. but that doesn't seem to happen. i cannot recall any specific complaints about the south park fandom; personal stories involving individual south park fans, sure, but what does the fandom actually do on a broad scale?? if there is any sort of discourse or mobilization, it seems to be fairly contained and localized.

so how can a collective fandom somehow be less annoying than its individual parts? this brings me to point three: an annoying fandom MUST be annoying BECAUSE of its source material. and this does not apply in the south park fandom's case.

to qualify as an annoying fandom, it is not enough to be a group of annoying fans loosely connected by a shared interest; rather, the source material ITSELF must be the inciting incident that galvanizes the group to organize and THEN become annoying.

is the south park fandom annoying? to some extent yes, of course. but i would argue that the south park fandom is annoying, not specifically because of the show in question, but rather because the fandom is comprised of persons who were already predisposed to being annoying, regardless of whether or not they had ever watched south park. this is a subtle but incredibly important distinction.

south park's vulgar and vile humor certainly enables its most annoying fans, but the continued annoying activities of said fans are NOT dependent on the show's existence. a shithead south park fan was always going to be a shithead, now they just have cartman to idolize.

i have spent a lot of time talking about south park. let us now move on to voltron and the voltron fandom.

in contrast to south park, the voltron fandom qualifies as an annoying fandom because its annoying activities were entirely dependent on the existence of voltron the show. would individual voltron fans still have been annoying even if they had never stumbled upon voltron? of course. but the voltron fandom was an organized collective of people that specifically came together to BE ANNOYING ABOUT VOLTRON. and then they made it everyone else's problem.

the voltron fandom was like an ouroboros devouring its own tail; a symbol of infinity, referencing the literally never-ending fighting; and it survived entirely by maiming and cannibalizing itself. the voltron fandom actively ruined every online space it entered. i saw the greatest minds of my generation destroyed by voltron.

honestly, i would argue that the voltron fandom's impact has completely altered the way online fandom functions to this day. the voltron fandom capitalized on the momentum started by the steven universe fandom and other early 2010s online fandoms, and spawned an entire new flavor of fandom discourse that was obsessed with morality and virtue. truthfully, it feels disingenuous to frame what happened as something innocuous as "fandom discourse"; it almost feels like a disservice to the levels of personal faith, passion, and vitriol people poured into voltron. the terms "pro-shipping" and "anti-shipping" have been around for ages, but the voltron fandom turned "pro" and "anti" into genuine identity markers.

this post is already way too insane so i need to quit while i'm ahead. but i would just like to conclude by reiterating that south park has annoying fans but not necessarily an annoying fandom, whereas the voltron fandom was annoying specifically BECAUSE it was the voltron fandom. i think the south park fandom could dissolve tomorrow and assimilate into other similar fandoms without a problem. whereas the voltron fandom was like lightning in a bottle; the activities of the voltron fandom are quintessentially wrapped up in the specific details, characteristics, and attributes of voltron. if voltron's characters or story was even slightly different -- if, say, every character was a college-student for example -- then the nature and activities of the fandom would have been irrevocably different.

and that is why voltron is the more annoying fandom and SHOULD HAVE SWEPT SOUTH PARK IN THE POLL.

[justinspoliticalcorner]

Lydia O'Connor at HuffPost:

The Republican vice presidential nominee, Sen. JD Vance of Ohio, falsely and brazenly claimed that Donald Trump won the 2020 election in a newly resurfaced exchange from two years ago. Trump’s running mate, who has repeatedly propped up the GOP presidential nominee’s election conspiracy theories, was asked by Jason Selvig of The Good Liars, a political comedy duo, if he believed Trump’s repeatedly disproved claims that President Joe Biden stole the election from him. The clip was posted online by Selvig on Thursday. “Did Donald Trump win the 2020 election?” Selvig asked Vance. “Yes,” Vance replied. When Selvig repeated the question, Vance gave an affirmative “yep.”

Selvig then asked Vance whether he’d concede if his opponent won more votes. Vance then refused to answer. “I really feel bad for you, man,” Vance said to Selvig after he repeated the question. Vance has been facing pressure to address where he stands on Trump’s election conspiracy theories since his debate Tuesday against Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Walz. On stage, Walz asked Vance if he believes Trump won the 2020 election, alluding to comments Vance made earlier this year questioning the election’s results and saying Trump should ignore “illegitimate” U.S. Supreme Court rulings on the matter.

JD Vance, who cowardly dodged the question about who rightfully won the 2020 Presidential election on the debate stage Tuesday, revealed his true self to Jason Selvig of The Good Liars in a 2022 clip while running for Senate by stating that Donald Trump “won” the election when responding to Selvig’s questioning.

See Also:

The Daily Beast: Video Shows JD Vance Saying Trump Won the 2020 Election

[foxy-kitsune-fox]

Donald Trump was in office, Uber Eats pay me $10.00, $15.00, $20.00 plus per delivery. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris is in office, Uber Eats pay me $1.00, $2.00, $3.00, $4.00, and $5.00 per delivery, plus using Planner working for 5 hours a week.

~ Baron Tremayne Caple A.K.A. Foxy Fox/Foxy Kitsune Fox/Fox Man/Fox King/King Fox/Gemini Man/Autism Man/Rainbow Man Is A Metrosexual/God Of Autism/King Of Autism/God Of Asperger/King Of Asperger 🦊

[tomorrowusa]

^^^ In case you missed the vice presidential debate on Tuesday, there's the best part.

Not quite "You're no Jack Kennedy" but "That is a damning non-answer" will be the most remembered line from the Vance-Walz debate.

MAGA Republicans refuse to accept democracy. Put J.D. Vance's refusal to accept the results of the 2020 election in the context of Trump telling fundamentalist Christians, "You won’t have to vote any more, my beautiful Christians." — if he wins this year.

These aren't dog whistles, these are amplified vuvuzelas regarding Trump's intentions.

[stephen-barry]

President Donald Trump on Tuesday didn’t condemn white supremacist groups and their role in violence in some American cities this summer, branding it solely a “left-wing” problem - and telling one far-right extremist group to “stand back and stand by.”

<<== Donald Trump; on Sept. 30, 2020 = 4 years ago