#1983 mansfield park

[thelastofthebookworms]

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[bethanydelleman]

As suggested by @firawren, Mansfield Park text post 1/?

[hotjaneaustenmenpoll]

[whenthegoldrays]

Two episodes in and I’m really enjoying this version of Mansfield Park so far. It is slow, which might normally bug me, but after the hectic pace of the two film adaptations, I’m really liking this one for all the little scenes from the book that were omitted from the movies, especially including the field trip to Sotherton and the scene of solidarity between Fanny and Mr Rushworth.

Speaking of which, Fanny is the right mix of shy and quiet and kind and lively, which is such a breath of fresh air. Edmund is actually pretty likable (though not as handsome as he is per the book). He’s kind to Fanny, yet unlike his successors, he’s neither secretly in love with her nor creepy. He’s just a good dude who’s being slowly blinded by Miss Crawford’s beauty.

Though I must say, I feel like this adaptation lowkey wants me to ship Fanny and Tom. They’ve only had a handful of moments, but they’ve been sweet and you can tell they’re friends.

Excited to continue!

[lands-of-fantasy]

Mansfield Park

Adaptions from 1983, 1999, 2007

The third of Jane Austen’s novels, first published in 1814, has had a few adaptions over the years. The ones pictures above are detailed below:

Mansfield Park (1983 Miniseries)

6 episodes x 50 min Written by Kenneth Taylor, directed by David Giles

Starring Sylvestra Le Touzel as Fanny Price, Nicholas Farrell as Edmund Bertram, Robert Burbage as Henry Crawford, Jackie Smith-Wood as Mary Crawford, Christopher Villiers as Tom Bertram,  Samantha Bond as Maria Bertram, among others

Mansfield Park (1999 Film)

The film departs from the original novel in several points. Written and directed by Patricia Rozema

Starring Frances O'Connor as Fanny Price, Jonny Lee Miller as Edmund Bertram,  Alessandro Nivola as Henry Crawford, Embeth Davidtz as Mary Crawford, James Purefoy as Thomas Bertram Jr., Victoria Hamilton as Maria Bertram, among others

Mansfield Park (2007 TV Film)

The film departs from the original novel in some points. Written by Maggie Wadey, directed by Iain B. MacDonald

Starring Billie Piper as Fanny Price, Blake Ritson as Edmund Bertram, Joseph Beattie as Henry Crawford, Hayley Atwell as Mary Crawford, James D'Arcy as Thomas Bertram, Michelle Ryan as Maria Bertram, among others

*****

I’m not big on M.P. and it’s been a while since I saw 2 of these, but I think each of these versions have their strong points (and also their own flaws). 

[historicalreusedcostumes]

This blue/pink Cape is worn in 1983 by Jackie Smith-Wood as Mary Crawford in Mansfield Park and many years later seen by an Lady in Lost in Austen (2008)

[austenreusedcostumes]

This Dark Red Spencer is worn on Nicola Pagett as Elizabeth Fanschawe in Frankenstein: The True Story (1973) and worn on Jackie Smith-Wood as Mary Crawford in Mansfield Park 1983 and worn again on Amira Casar as Catherine in Sharpe's Siege (1997)

Credit: iphpbb

[thatscarletflycatcher]

"I do not wish to call you my friend because I hope to call you something infinitely more dear... I rode through the rain... I'd ride through worse than that if I could just hear your voice telling me that I might at least have some chance to win you... maybe it is our imperfections that make us perfect for one another. Marry me? Marry me, my wonderful, darling friend."

"But you... you were not deceived, were you? You held to what you knew in your heart. Constant, constant as the rain! What should I do if you should ever go away? My dearest Fanny."

"Fanny, I must confess something. I have loved you all my life... as a man loves a woman, as a hero loves a heroine, as I have never loved anyone in my entire life. I was so anxious to do what is right, that I forgot to do what is right. But if you choose me, after all my blundering and blindness, that will be a happiness which no description could reach."

"Oh, Elinor, I have longed for this moment from the instant of our first meeting, dear, dear Elinor. Would you... could you possibly... How could anyone help to love you?"

"I have come here with no expectations, only to profess, now that I am at liberty to do so, that my heart is, and always will be, yours."

"Miss Dashwood, Elinor, I came here with no expectation, after everything that has happened you have every right to turn me away this instant. But I cannot leave here without conveying the intensity of my feelings for you... Every day since I first saw you, my love for you has grown. Elinor, I have no right to hope, but I must ask: can you forgive me? Can you love me? Will you marry me?"

"I told him that I felt myself bound to you, by honor, by affection, and by a love so strong, that nothing he could do could deter me from... Before I go on I should tell you there is a pretty good chance he'll disinherit me. I fear I may never be a rich man, Catherine. Will you marry me, Catherine?"

"Elinor, I would not blame you if you wanted me to leave, but please allow me... my engagement to Lucy was a folly of youth. I never felt for her or for anyone what I feel for you. And I don't care what my stepsister thinks, or my stepmother, or anyone. I will not marry for fortune, nor out of obligation. I want to marry for love. And I love you, Elinor. I know my own happiness now. And in truth, I have known it for some time. It lies with you, Elinor. I love you with all my heart. I have been in love with you since... since we first met at Norland. I tried to deny it out of some misguided sense of duty or honor. But... but it would not be denied. My love for you has never wavered. And I will continue to love you until the day I die. I came here today with one errand in mind, which I will now perform. Elinor Dashwood, will you do me the great honor of becoming my wife?"

Miss Morland... don't be afraid. I promise not to oppress you with too much remorse, or too much passion. Though since you left us, the white rose bush has died of grief. Catherine, are you still a disgrace to your sex? Does your face express all that your heart feels, or may I hope that it holds a secret? You know that I do not need my father's permission to marry you."

*I'm taking the P&P ones away from you all because it is no fun when everyone votes P&P.

[thelonelybrilliance]

"We need a good Mansfield Park adaptation" it was made in 1983. "We need a good Persuasion adaptation" it was made in 1995. "We need a good Northanger Abbey adaptation" yes. Yes we do. But as long as people think they're funnier than Austen we're probably not going to get one.

[dancesinlight]

As always, square dance was a delight. Came home after and watched another episode of 1983 Mansfield Park, BBC. And a glass of wine. Delightful topper to a lovely day.

[badassindistress]

I was tagged by @abubblingcandle to share 10 of my comfort shows and then tag 10 people, thank you! (10 is too many though, I don't think I can do ten)

Leverage, my mum and i watch Leverage constantly

Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries, for when mum and I want vintage crimes

Pride and Prejudice 1995

Pushing Daisies, I haven't rewatched in ages, but thinking of the colours alone is comforting

Mansfield Park 1983, it's so slow and restrained and somehow that's comforting

The entire Historical Farm series. My mum and I had covid together and watched every single one

Carol Klein's Garden, her voice is just so calming

The Legend of Fei, but when I rewatch I skip to the good bits

I think that's it? There's lots of shows I enjoy, but very few I return to for comfort. I mostly rewatch things with my mother, apparently...

I'll tag @mysunfreckle @rosesutherlandwrites @adorablecrab @starkey and @theblazeofmemory

[bethanydelleman]

From Mansfield With Love

Someone a while ago asked for my opinion on this series and I hope they see this because I can’t find the original post response.

So I’m on Episode No. 31 and I while I think it’s pretty good for an amature production, I’m really not loving the characterization.

Frankie does not seem super Fanny to me, and I’m sad because I’ve been told this is an in character depiction. The main problem is she doesn’t come off as shy. There are a few other things: she makes a lot of quips/sass (book Fanny is more likely to quote poetry), she speaks up a lot when other people are around, she criticizes people first to Edmund, and she in no ways seems to be in love with Edmund. (And I don’t think she’d say it out loud to Will, but there are no like, longing looks or anything). 

Frankie also just seems whiny a lot, which is something I don’t think we should be getting so much. Fanny accepts her lot in life in MP. When she has a headache from cutting flowers, she doesn’t blame anyone or complain, she quietly lies down.  I think it would have been in character to see Frankie after getting yelled at by Mrs. Norris doing some sort of mantra “I’m lucky to be here and have this job” or something. Instead of insulting Mrs. Norris behind her back which we never see book Fanny do.

As for the Frankie/Bertram dynamic, she seems to be more part of a friend group than a grateful, dependant. And I know this is hard to depict today, I don’t have the answers but the Bertrams really seem to treat her far too much like an equal or like a friend. 

I am also really disappointed by the scene where Frankie accidentally records Henry and Mary and learns that Henry can’t be trusted. It basically erases all of Fanny’s perceptive abilities. She is now an eavesdropper, not a careful studier of the people around her.

I have mostly enjoyed the depiction of Mary, though we are not getting the dynamic where she ignores Fanny until the Miss Bertrams leave, but that’s not a big deal. Mary has been merged with Mrs. Grant which is fine.

I also think Tom is pretty well done.

Henry has been a bit of an issue for me too. He’s actually attractive, which I don’t think is my subjective judgement because a bunch of the characters say that he’s physically attractive which is not the idea. The idea is that he talks his way into being hot. But besides that, he seems to want to go for Frankie right away, but then that doesn’t really happen, and it’s also against the book. He isn’t supposed to pay attention to Fanny at all until the Miss Bertram’s leave. And I think that is important to how in the background Fanny is.

Also, it’s kind of a problem for Henry to have a job. I think a big part of his character is that he’s perpetually bored and doesn’t really have anything to do (I know he’s technically a landlord, but he can manage that through a steward). We know that when Henry actually wants to do something, he does it. It might have made more sense to have Henry be the person who draws up the plans and then Mary actually has to build it or something so Henry can finish quickly and then be bored? I don’t know. 

Rhea and Rory is kind of strange, because they look actually in love, not like Maria is just in this for the money. I know these are amature actors, but I also don’t really see Rhea vying for Henry’s attention. She’s usually with Rory and staring lovingly into his eyes. The skinny dipping thing seemed to come out of nowhere.

As for the Edmund/Fanny/Frankie dynamic, I don’t know if it will become more apparent, but I haven’t seen anything yet that’s similar to “Fanny must have a horse/Can Mary borrow the house?/I ran away with the horse for five days” which is important in how Edmund begins to neglect and forget Fanny. I also am not really getting the “Edmund tells Fanny about Mary’s faults and then talks himself out of them” dynamic.

The one scene that really bothered me, and I’m really confused why they even did it, was when Frankie says she does a book club with Edmund, but then specifies that Edmund won’t read classics. And I was like, what??? Edmund and Fanny have basically identical taste in books in MP: but he recommended the books which charmed her leisure hours, he encouraged her taste, and corrected her judgment: he made reading useful by talking to her of what she read, and heightened its attraction by judicious praise. That was just a very strange choice in my opinion.

Also, I wasn’t sure what I was supposed to get out of the little plot where Mary and Henry want to turn Frankie’s attic into a suite but then they back down right away when they realize it’s her room.

Anyway, happy to hear other people’s thoughts on this series! I am really glad it exists, because MP does not get enough love. And I am in no way saying that I could have done it better, these are just my quibbles.

[hotjaneaustenmenpoll]

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[whenthegoldrays]

Also I think k-dramas have influenced me to the point where I’m able to enjoy Mansfield Park (1983) this much, because before I used to absolutely yawn at those slow-paced pre-90s miniseries, but since getting into slow-paced dramas such as Tell Me That You Love Me and Would You Like A Cup of Coffee? I’ve developed a better appreciation for the little moments, a longer attention span, which is why I’m no longer bored at those long conversations and slow scenes in older shows.

[sogno-ao3]

Hey, how are you?

Thinking about Mollie's origin and culture, could you recommend a book or movie?

In fact, I'm going to start reading Jane Eyre under the influence of Still Waters ;)

hello! thank you for such an amazing question. since you said "origin and culture," it really got me thinking on what I would consider as influences for Still Waters and how I came to conceive of Mollie & the story in general...

I think there have been three main influences: literary classics, kdrama, and fanfiction--a mix of high and low culture. This mixture is reflected in Still Waters; readers may choose a surface-level read, or they may choose to read more deeply into the thematic elements... either is perfectly fine and neither is preferable to the other.

In each category, I'll list a few works with some relevant links to books, movies, TV shows, etc. You also might be interested in a post I made awhile back discussing books I've named in the work.

Literary classics

Jane Eyre, Charlotte Brontë

Gutenberg, BBC 2006, BBC 1983

Like Still Waters, Jane Eyre is a coming-of-age and romance with an older man with a dark past. I've read it many times by now, and it's so fascinating to observe how my relationship with it has changed--I used to think of it as the epitome of romance, but now I have much more nuanced thoughts about it. There have been many more adaptations than the ones I have listed; it is also fascinating to see how differently people interpret it... which dovetails my experience--this book seems to grow with people as they change.

Works by Jane Austen

Mansfield Park: Gutenberg, ITV

Persuasion: Gutenberg, ITV

Both of these works feature introvert women as protagonists; many people around them tend to underestimate them because they are naturally quiet and outwardly obedient. Persuasion is also the classic example of slow burn and mutual pining.

Woman Warrior, Maxine Hong Kingston

Goodreads

This work is a coming-of-age myth/memoir featuring a Chinese American female protagonist. While it's not a romance, Woman Warrior showed me how flimsy the divider between fantasy and reality can be, and how language can be used to blur the lines. It's also written in first person.

Korean Dramas

When I was younger, I watched many kdramas. I think what really impressed upon me at the time is how small gestures can mean so much to someone, the softness that men could exhibit, and unfortunately for all my readers, how much I loved the tension & anguished pain before the main couple finally got together (or not)...

Some kdramas I'd recommend: My Lovely Sam Soon, Coffee Prince, Crash Landing on You, To My Star 1 & 2.

Fanfiction

Some of you might be amused to know my very first work on AO3 was an explicit M/M oneshot in 2014. I've been reading and writing fanfiction for a long time; in fanfiction, one could transcend the mores of traditional media and remake relationships to feature more equality, male leads that did not have toxic masculinity, etc...

When I watched Peaky Blinders for the first time, I immediately felt that Tommy's relationship with his mother was quite pivotal and yet never explored. I also hated that the Chinese people in the series were relegated to decorative ethnic roles. If they had swapped out Chinese for Japanese, it wouldn't have mattered a bit to the story... and so the idea for Still Waters came surprisingly quickly out of my discontent!

I would informally posit that the past few years of the rocketing popularity of spicy romance novels has largely been due to fanfiction and how it was able to push the boundaries and show publishers what people in our subpopulation actually liked... it was fanfiction where I read my first slow burns coupled with expertly written smut that to this day, are quite a bit better than what I read in a traditionally published book.

Here are some fanfictions I'd recommend:

[Redemption of Love] Fandom: Lord of the Rings, Pairing: Legolas/Thranduil

[Going Live] Fandom: EXO; Pairing: Kai/Reader

[Redamancy] Fandom: James Bond, Pairing: James Bond/Q

[Draco Malfoy and the Mortifying Ordeal of Being in Love] Fandom: Harry Potter, Pairing: Draco/Hermione

[Beginning and End] Fandom: Harry Potter, Pairing: Draco/Hermione

[my life is better when we're together] Fandom: Kuroko no basuke, Pairing: Midorima/Kise

[In Darkest Knights, The Brightest Sparks] Fandom: Batman, Pairing: Batman/Harley Quinn