#*you* are oppressed *for* being transgender

[dr-wuffles]

Hot take: as a trans woman who has suffered trans misogyny:

Trans misogyny is not an indicator of whether or not someone is trans. We did this shit with gender dysphoria in 2013 and we know it's wrong nowadays. Being trans isn't about suffering for fucks sake.

[roman-roy-apologist]

yeah ok i get it you don’t think transandrophobia exists but you do realize that it’s still bad to be shitty to transmascs right? you get that right?

[notebeans-galaxy]

someone on twitter genuinely just said to me that they think transmascs are born with male privilege. i dont think I've ever taken more psychic damage in my life

[skeletaltoad]

trans men can experience comphet. btw. in case you didn't know.

[gayhenrycreel]

i am so fucking sick of trans women acting like trans men arent oppressed, and im sick of trans men acting like theyre more oppressed than trans women

not fucking sorry to break it to you, but the patriarchy sees us all as faggots. stop hating on people who have no power over you.

i wont name anyone but i just went through a fantastic blog run by a trans woman. seemed fine. she had some good takes. she had some different ideas on leftism from me, but leftists gotta stick together right?

no.

she thinks trans men are basically cis men in terms of power. of course that does not mean shes a bad person. there is always room for improvement, and being wrong about something does not mean someone is bad.

it is true that trans men can experience male privilege. ive experienced it myself. but as soon as people know im trans that privilege disappears.

the instant im outed im just another faggot. im pretending to be a man. im just trying to gain power. im tricking people. im a pervert.

trans women go through this too. trans women are seen as perverts, tricking people and pretending to be women.

trans women are judged for being feminine in the wrong way. they are seen as performing feminity wrong.

trans men are judged for being masculine in the wrong way. we're just weird dykes.

the reason trans men are viewed as confused lesbians is because patriarchy believes that women cant make their own decisions. women are too stupid to have autonomy, so they cant decide to be a man.

patriarchy changes how it views trans people to suit its function.

if a trans man is experiencing emotions seen as anger (even if hes just defending himself) he is a disgusting violent man and a predator. this happens to trans women too.

if a trans woman is butch, she is faking being trans to gain power (even if that power does not exist). if she is angry, she is just another violent man.

if a trans woman is in a stereotypically feminine view by society, she is a clueless woman and shouldn't have autonomy.

if a trans man is not angry and cis passing, he is a confused woman who shouldn't have autonomy.

see?

this is about women having autonomy.

transphobia is just misogyny rebranded.

trans men and trans women are not opposites. because men and women in general are not opposites.

trans women are oppressed for being transgender women.

trans men are oppressed for being transgender men.

patriarchy is not logical, because it has no scientific basis. if a man is a man in the wrong way he will be oppressed. trans men suffer misogyny too because we are seen as women.

misogyny targets anyone who performs gender wrong.

i argue that cis men can experience transmisogyny too.

cishet men get called fags if they are not the peak of masculinity. they get called sissys if they arent strong enough.

the reason for this is that anything feminine is seen as weak, and anything not perfectly masculine must be feminine.

@our-queer-experience and @genderkoolaid are some of the only blogs ive seen be normal about both trans men and trans women.

stop drinking the terf koolaid. terfs believe that men are inherently violent abusers, and apply that to men and women who are feminine wrong.

have you not seen all those terfs fighting each other because one of them has leg hair?

yeah. terfs think women are biologically incapable of having body hair. some terfs have even ganged up on jkr herself because they think her jawline is too masculine.

terfs are so misogynistic that they think women can only be real women if they fit into a perfect little made up box.

out of all great apes, humans have some of the least sexual dimorphism. you cant automatically tell if someone is trans.

terfism is self destructive. its killing feminism. its misogynistic. its transphobic. if you pay attention its also racist and antisemitic.

yeah, terfs go after women of colour and women with big noses and say they arent actually women because they have features that arent white.

newsflash, not all races have the same features. what might be considered masculine features in white people might not be that masculine for people of colour.

humans are a variable species. there is no singular "masculine" or "feminine" face.

im a trans man and ive met cis men with more stereotypically feminine features than me, and cis women with more stereotypically masculine features than me.

humans evolved to have facial variation so we could recognise individuals easier. not so we could fight over whether humans should have variations.

im not even on testosterone yet and i have chest hair. its normal. cant you see the beauty of the human form? we share so much DNA and we all look so different.

terfs think women cant be women if they are gendering wrong, just how patriarchy does.

patriarchy also thinks men cant be men if they gender wrong.

patriarchy and terfism both believe that people are lying about themselves if they dont conform.

patriarchy is forced conformity.

and its whats killing the queer kids.

hating men is not a cure for misogyny.

[softausterity]

people on this site have a 'women were still getting through less in blind auditions until they put down carpet because the judges were subconsciously letting the clacking of high heels affect their scoring' sense of when to call trans women dude

[onlyfangz]

i feel like some people only care about breaking down gender norms when it's a transgender person presenting as their gender. "why wont you wear skirts?" im a dude. "why arent you okay with being called girlie (gn)?" im a dude. "why dont you want to wear makeup?" im a dude. "but those things dont make you any less of a dude!!" GET OFF MY DICK, CHELSEA.

[ceilidhtransing]

Something that's so important to grasp is that oppression fundamentally isn't about the nuances of your identity; it's about how a bigot sees you.

Straight people can experience homophobia (think of women with short hair just assumed to be lesbians, or flamboyant men who apparently “must be” gay). Non-Jewish people can experience antisemitism (perhaps because some fascist looked at them or heard their name and decided they were “definitely Jewish”). Non-Muslims can experience Islamophobia (Sikhs who wear turbans, for instance, are frequent targets of Islamophobic violence).

If you're the target of some bigot's homophobia, or transphobia, or antisemitism, or racism, or ableism, or whatever, then the fact that you're not actually gay or trans or Jewish etc doesn't change the nature of the bigotry.

I see this idea so often that trans men in particular are “misgendering ourselves” when discussing experiences of misogyny. But misogyny doesn't neatly contain itself to the contours of womanhood. It's not bigotry that delineates the boundaries of identities, full stop. Being a man won't stop some people from being misogynistic shitheads to you, nor does that experience make you any less of a man. It's the bigots who are doing the misgendering, not us.

It's really time to get rid of this personal-identity-focused view of prejudice and oppression, and instead see these as complex social systems that are inflicted in an often scattergun way on anyone whom the bigot thinks is an appropriate target, not just those who on paper fall into certain categories.

[ciderjacks]

Gonna be real it would be a lot easier to talk about transmasculine specific oppression if we were allowed to acknowledge sex is real unchanging and not the same as gender identity, but saying that gets you called a terf, so instead we wind up with t-dudes saying that they’re oppressed bc they’re men.

[rjalker]

"there's no such thing as nonbinary-specific discrimination"

I'd have no option but to be continually misgendered by the legal form I have to fill out so I can change my legal name.

[obsessivefangirl]

🪱 transsexual-beast Follow

Bi lesbians are setting our community back. Their labels are contradictory and don't make sense.

🎇 dykelovedyke Follow

Agreed. Another one of those identities that uses the q slur and makes it seem normal. They just hurt us. No one should use the word.

🎑 kink-isnt-pride Follow

I swear kids need to get offline and do their homework and let the adults handle lgbt discourse. No respect for the generations who fought for them, they would be disappointed to see what a mockery the movement is.

🎭 we-are-oppressed Follow

It's because they never had to suffer through life like how we did. They don't join the fight but they do join the party.

[computerpeople]

i kind of dont understandd a lot of the way people talk about asexuality

[quierd-kitten]

I think the most healing thing to do as a trans person is talk to other trans people (irl when possible) who have really different experiences with gender whenever you can. It's so easy to get caught up in your own head feeling like the only person who struggles with certain things, who hates some part of yourself, who's frustrated with society the way you are. It's so easy to feel like nobody else understands and spiral into your own head.

But I'm a firm believer that the more you talk to people with different experiences the more similarities you'll find in unexpected places and that can be so much better than someone who is like you in every way. It's me and one of my other nb friends who presents very differently agreeing that our genders are both very purple. It's my transfem friend and me discussing body hair being dysphoric for us both. It's talking to 3 other transmascs about how we want to transition, what's dysphoric and isn't, the worries about surgery and T that are uncomfortable to talk about with cis people. Even if it's just "we both really relate to this song about being trans", finding little things you can go "Same hat!" is a muscle that needs practice but it is very worth it.

[squiddleknitted]

There's nothing wrong with being new to the community or unfamiliar with the discourse, but at the very least if you are going to post about the discourse you should be aware of if the hypothetical you're posting about has already been the case. This is a very very old take that has been repeated in a genuine way for years.

[bisexualfagdyke]

I think some trans men need to understand it's not gender affirming for you to be like "haha yeah I'm awful and disgusting for being a man" ... 😭 you ... should NOT be made to feel that way. You should love and be proud of your trans queer manhood. Any queer person who makes you feel bad for being a trans man is lowkey just .... transphobic? Being a trans man is a marginalised identity and trans men do not experience male privilege buz that is a cisheteronormative concept. Passing, aka being in the closet, is not a privilege, it's a circumstantial form of safety that can be taken away at any time and that not all trans people are able to have access to. Passing trans people are not immune to transphobia, tranphobic laws, being outed / clocked, or transphobia in the medical / healthcare field.

Trans manhood is beautiful and if you're okay with throwing your trans friends under the bus just to demonise manhood as a whole bcuz of cis men's actions – maybe you're just transphobic & have bioessentialist, reductive viewpoints on gender. You can fight patriarchy, male privilege, and abusive cis men's actions without seeing manhood as an inherently abusive oppressive thing. To accept transgenderness as a whole you need to have a healthy view of manhood because if you don't, I feel very sorry for any trans man (or just ANY trans person who had a connection with manhood) you come into contact with.

[stinkybreath]

One time an agender person got so mad at me for saying that agender was a gender identity bc they couldn’t understand that “I don’t have a gender” is distinct from “I don’t have a gender identity” (: native English speaker w a college degree too like … what was the disconnect there