#“you know sam and dean winchester are psychotically irrationally erotically codependent on each other right?'”

[borgialucrezia]

from supernatural to the borgias pipeline is so real gotta stan 10/10 toxic codependency and fucked up siblings dynamics with loads of parallels and symbolisms

[ardentpoop]

just remembered That zachariah line

you know the one

[jinkieswouldyoulookatthis]

Torn and Frayed (8x10)

I had totally forgotten that Amelia's husband Don had come back. Ngl, I didn't try real hard to remember her storyline. But so the parallels get even more parallel. Don AND Dean both come back "from the dead" and Sam and Amelia go back to their original partners. Understandably, Amelia does try to hold onto Sam (why wouldn't she? He's Sam Fucking Winchester who she got to literally fuck, who wouldn't try to hold onto that?) but he recognizes that he isn't the best choice for her. Now, a lot of this is self deprecating, self esteem issues because he is damaged in that way, but he also, deep down, knows what his life is and can't, in good conscience, pull her into all that. He'd seen how that went with Dean and Lisa, and Sam is the kind of person that notices, catalogs, and learns from things he sees. All of this even though he is very upset at and frustrated with Dean and is still in denial that his life is doomed to be a continuing train wreck of not naturalness. Again, because I can't hammer this point home hard enough, what both Dean and Sam want is to be unfailingly trusted by the other. They are not happy anytime the other one is putting someone before them on the priority scale or not placing their full faith in each other. By this point in the series they are both starting to digest this fact. After Lisa, Dean never tries to build a "normal" relationship with a woman, settling instead into permanent bachelor status. Sam, at least, gets his shot at "normal," but that's a ways down the road still. Benny loses a bit of his untarnished luster in Dean's eyes, just because placing his trust in a vampire is a doomed course of action and that becomes clear to him. It's funny that both of these relationships parallel each other, attachment, break-up, let go. By the end of the episode, the brothers may not be good, but they're back together again. Tell me again how the entire show isn't about Sam and Dean?

[shallowseeker]

Don't you love that when Zachariah throws classist, fetishistic bullshit at Adam, it spectacularly backfires?

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Zach almost LOSES Adam with this line. Why?

ZACHARIAH: So you know you can’t trust them, right? You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically codependent on each other, right? ADAM (looks suddenly steely, staring through Zachariah): I don’t know. They said a few things about you. ZACHARIAH (becomes visibly angry): Really?

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Zach has misread Adam's sense of class. That nice home that Adam and his mom have together came at a huge sacrifice: their time together.

Adam is, at his core, the son of a single mom. His whole childhood is colored by it, and he's well-acquainted with the inevitably rude/incestuous "mama's boy" taunts it comes with.

This was telegraphed and set up earlier in the episode:

ADAM: You see, it was me and it was my mom. That's it. She worked the graveyard shift at the hospital. I cooked my own dinners. I put myself to bed.

Yeah, Adam "read" Zachariah's taunt for the filth it was.

[poguelands]

Sam and Dean in Every Season | Season 5

You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically, codependent on each other, right?

[violetpurpleviolet]

Supernatural , Season 5 , Episode 18

Point of No Return

Is Dean writing a letter for Sam? Also why is it in all caps? Does Dean not know how to write normally?

oh he’s sending it to Bobby. Ooh Sam found him!

Omg Cas is helping???!! hehehe didn’t expect that , love , love that he just yeeted him to Bobby’s.

I love how Cas is part of the team now , how they all are concerned for him , I love how he grew on them. Like a cute little fungi.

Who just came from the dead? Oh bloodline? He can also be a vessel!?

“Maybe they wrongly assumed Dean would be brave enough to withstand them” Hehe for an Angle who doesn’t know much about human culture and humour. Cass sure is SASSY as hell.

“Well, Cas, not for nothing, but the last person who looked at me like that , I got laid.”

and what does Dean do? He winks.

So Dean escapes by sending Cas back to heaven. But how was he sure it would be Cas to come and check up on him? Or is it because , Bobby can’t climb down the stairs , and even if it was Sam , he thinks he can take Sam.?

“You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically , irrationally , erotically codependent on each other , right? - Zachariah

Erotically? Is Zachariah a wincest shipper??? That makes his 1000x worse

“I rebelled for this ,so that you could surrender to them?”

“Cas , please.”

“I gave everything for you, and this what you give me?”

I didn’t expect Cas to beat him up to this level. I think I (We) forget sometimes that Cas is a super powerful angel and not just a sassy but naive guy who can teleport.

I was about to ask , if evryone gets burgers and beer. In this angel waiting space or whatever. And then Zachariah says “I see you and your brother share the same refined tastes”

He’s bait?? oh. They had to use the one last person to call family to bait them?

Aw he didn’t want to let his little brother down!! eek!

(Did i mention Univeristy is killing me? How did Sam do this? I must find my inner Sam (I don’t want to become a drug addict but yea) )

[rottingsins]

"You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically codependent on each other, right?"

- Zachariah, 5x18 "Point of No Return" 23:50.

[thedeadedhooman]

Favourite supernatural ship/s

thanks for the ask anon<3

samjess is my favourite I guess. it's tragic and sad and beautiful. It always makes me upset and I end up in a puddle of tears. It hurts my brain and heart. It's like a stabbing pain in the gut. what gets me is that even after such a long time, sam could never actually let go of jessica I think. I mean what am I supposed to feel after the i still think about jessica. he was shopping for rings, and he proposed to a ghost, to his past. a nice sweet normal figment of his life, that he held on to for a while until tragedy struck. sam probably doesn't even have any photos of jessica, they were all burnt in the fire. he probably had that voicemail that she sent when he went with dean to hunt the woman in white. which probably got deleted when they had to switch phones or simcards cuz of their shitty lifestyle. she's only a memory to him...fuck

sastiel cuz I love their autistic swag. of course there are moments that make me mad like cas breaking sam's wall but cas also took sam's pain. sam and castiel are so soft and tender with each other. I just know the sex would've been a galaxy brain moment.

samruby because they're toxic af but they truly loved each other at some point. they would've worshipped each other I think. it's bout the roles and the dynamics, there's also a lot of manipulation and betrayal going on and that adds to the more complex elements regarding the pairing. also the soft tender way ruby tries to cajole sam into believing that what he did was right scratches at my brain because she too sacrificed a lot to be the one who catalysed the whole thing. they could've ruled hell together. and their whole sex scene is like two lesbians fucking each other.

deanlisa because dean had a bit of normalcy and a cute son. dean and lisa made a cute pairing I think. he got to be a dad for a little while I guess. It's sad and tragic cuz when cas wiped Lisa and Ben's memories, it really hurt. Like you build this little family and they gave you something to hold on to for a while when you missed your brother and then have all of that taken away from you PERMANENTLY. that shit is sad af.

sambrady because I KNOW WHAT THEY HAD GOING ON. demon lover brady my beloved. I know they fucked. cuz brady is a demon and he died.

samsarah. they are so cute. and honestly out of all the partners sam had in the show I think sarah blake would have been perfect for sam imo. she wanted to help them during the hunt. she's a tough girl. they kiss for the first and the last time and she hopes that sam would visit again. she keeps waiting and waiting and waiting, days turn into weeks, weeks into months, months into years and then one day she gets married has a kid and that tall floofy haired boy with the puppy dog eyes turns up at her doorstep. she has moved on obviously but at what cost? she died cuz of the very man she waited for so long. and oh sammy. the only reason why he didn't go back was that he knew it was dangerous for her. later he had to go to her to save her but again at what cost? sarah still died and she had a husband and a kid...

wincest. do I need to even say anything? I mean where do I even start? It's not like I want them to fuck each other but it's the codependency. there's a lot going on with these two that can't be seen with the naked eyes. it's the subtext, the yearning, the longing looks, the roles...how dean can't function without sam, he's afraid to be alone, how sam loses it when dean is gone, the need to be the no. 1 person on their priority list, and the fact that they're canonical soulmates. yeah they're weird and that's what I like about it. sam and dean winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically codependent on each other.

sammadison how could I not mention this one. THIS IS MY FAVOURITE AS WELL. I mean it's so fucking tragic. like you think you saved the girl but for what? it didn't work and it's gonna happen again and there's no cure and you two share these tender moments of intimacy thinking everything's gonna be okay only to be met with the opposite. you gave her hope and now it's being taken away..it's never gonna be okay and she asks you to kill her. whatthefuck. now you slowly see yourself in her, what if I become a monster and there's no way back and what if someone I love so much has to put me down like a sick dog. GOSH. I cried while watching that episode.

I also like samwena and saileen and megstiel but I haven't watched the later seasons that well so can't say much.

[luxurystark-jackson]

“you know sam and dean winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically codependent on each other, right?”

aka zachariah being the first wincest shipper/anti

[dotthings]

There's still a lot after my rewatch of spn 5.18--it's one of the series Great episodes. So I'm going to have to break it up into small posts.

One thing I wanted to zero in on is Zachariah's speech to Adam as an unreliable narrator, and a slick salesman for Heaven, who is all about closing the deal, no matter the cost. The dream sequence in the playground (what is it about angels and playgrounds), which isn't a dream sequence but Zach playing Adam a visit in his dreams (as angels do), where Zach is trying to convince Adam to be Michael's vessel instead of going with Sam and Dean's way:

"Didn't we tell you about them? So you know you can't trust them, right? You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically codependent on each each other, right?...Trust me kid, when the heat gets hot, they're not going to give a flying crap about you. Hell, they'd rather save each other's sweet bacon than save the planet."

It's a deliberate attempt to separate and divide, to get Adam to mistrust them. Like many villains on the show, using a grain of truth: in this case, the brothers are codependent in some ways and they are close, but the rest of it is as twisted and wrong as Zach's fake Mary in DSOTM. (Which was either Mary's real soul being puppeted by Zach, or an illusion cooked up by Zach. It played on Dean's fears. It's not the truth).

And in the same episode, what happens? Sam and Dean and Cas mount a rescue mission to save Adam.

And we know how S5 ends.

In fact, Sam and Dean are the opposite of what Zach claims.

They will always try to save people and save the world, and save the people they love. They'll always come back to that, along with trying to save each other. Adam isn't family yet but they see in him someone who could be family and they care. That's what Sam and Dean do. They care.

That is the truth.

[angeleyedsam]

“You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically, codependent on each other right?”

this scene caught me off-guard btw. good for them those losers cld not survive without eachother

[cannibalisam]

5.18 is insanity inducing. dean writing a letter to sam that says "sam, you told me once that you pray everyday. not sure if that's still true. probably isn't. but if it is, give it one last try for me. and sammy - one winchester lost to this fight is enough." dean being a little bitch the whole time because no one will let him kill himself (metaphorically). "you know sam and dean winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically codependent on eachother, right? [...] trust me, kid, when the heat gets hot, they're not gonna give a flying crap about you. hell, they'd rather save each other's sweet bacon than save the planet." and sammy wins the Little Brother Pageant (as if it was even a contest) because zachariah is right. as soon as dean sees sam spitting up blood he makes up his mind 🙄🤦‍♀️ "honestly? the damnedest thing. i mean, the world’s ending. the walls are coming down on us, and i look over to you and all i can think about is, “this stupid son of a bitch brought me here.” i just didn’t want to let you down."

[dailywincestspam]

Zachariah: You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically codependent on each other, right?

Me:

[ellinorosterberg]

I’m late for the party, I know. I’m in the third season now (watching with a family member and I could watch it alone but that wouldn’t be the same) and I just have to get this off my chest: Dean likes to flirt. We all know that, right? And he flirts a lot. He also likes to annoy his brother. A lot. And I’m sure y’all have already noticed, but it just amazes me that Dean can’t seem to tell the difference between flirting with a girl or annoying your sibling. I know, it could just be Dean being Dean, but still. It hits me hard. The family member I’m watching with? SO BLIND. I said: you know if one of them were a girl, don’t you think you would see their relationship the way I do? As I said: the blindness is strong with this one.

So yeah. And I haven’t even come close to this part: “Didn’t we tell you about them? So you know you can’t trust them right? You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically, codependent on each other right?”

[dont-blink63]

“You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically codependent on each other, right?”

what's crazy to me is that supernatural is a whole ass incest show they have father and daughter kissing they have the son calling his mother a babe they have brothers named after their (married) grandparents they have said brothers being soulmates they have big brother and little brother drowning in homoerotic subtext and the list goes on and yet SOMEHOW people still act surprised when they find out sam and dean are shipped 😭😭 like????

even the show instead of going "wtf fans are shipping the brothers lets ignore this and not talk about it until it goes away" they went "oh the fans are shipping the brothers lets have sam and dean being confused with a couple again and again and lets have a character writing wincest fiction and reading it out loud in an episode and also lets have two characters cosplaying sam and dean that are actually dating"

not subtle AT ALL and yet.....

[drfrankensteinvsthequeerborgs]

“You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically codependent on each other, right?”

the more I rewatch spn the more incredulous I am that they aired this show on national television and people let them