#“you know sam and dean winchester are psychotically irrationally erotically codependent on each other right?'”

[earlgodwin]

from supernatural to the borgias pipeline is so real gotta stan 10/10 toxic codependency and fucked up siblings dynamics with loads of parallels and symbolisms

[ardentpoop]

just remembered That zachariah line

you know the one

[jinkieswouldyoulookatthis]

Torn and Frayed (8x10)

I had totally forgotten that Amelia's husband Don had come back. Ngl, I didn't try real hard to remember her storyline. But so the parallels get even more parallel. Don AND Dean both come back "from the dead" and Sam and Amelia go back to their original partners. Understandably, Amelia does try to hold onto Sam (why wouldn't she? He's Sam Fucking Winchester who she got to literally fuck, who wouldn't try to hold onto that?) but he recognizes that he isn't the best choice for her. Now, a lot of this is self deprecating, self esteem issues because he is damaged in that way, but he also, deep down, knows what his life is and can't, in good conscience, pull her into all that. He'd seen how that went with Dean and Lisa, and Sam is the kind of person that notices, catalogs, and learns from things he sees. All of this even though he is very upset at and frustrated with Dean and is still in denial that his life is doomed to be a continuing train wreck of not naturalness. Again, because I can't hammer this point home hard enough, what both Dean and Sam want is to be unfailingly trusted by the other. They are not happy anytime the other one is putting someone before them on the priority scale or not placing their full faith in each other. By this point in the series they are both starting to digest this fact. After Lisa, Dean never tries to build a "normal" relationship with a woman, settling instead into permanent bachelor status. Sam, at least, gets his shot at "normal," but that's a ways down the road still. Benny loses a bit of his untarnished luster in Dean's eyes, just because placing his trust in a vampire is a doomed course of action and that becomes clear to him. It's funny that both of these relationships parallel each other, attachment, break-up, let go. By the end of the episode, the brothers may not be good, but they're back together again. Tell me again how the entire show isn't about Sam and Dean?

[annacolemans]

Sam and Dean in Every Season | Season 5

You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically, codependent on each other, right?

[violetpurpleviolet]

Supernatural , Season 5 , Episode 18

Point of No Return

Is Dean writing a letter for Sam? Also why is it in all caps? Does Dean not know how to write normally?

oh he’s sending it to Bobby. Ooh Sam found him!

Omg Cas is helping???!! hehehe didn’t expect that , love , love that he just yeeted him to Bobby’s.

I love how Cas is part of the team now , how they all are concerned for him , I love how he grew on them. Like a cute little fungi.

Who just came from the dead? Oh bloodline? He can also be a vessel!?

“Maybe they wrongly assumed Dean would be brave enough to withstand them” Hehe for an Angle who doesn’t know much about human culture and humour. Cass sure is SASSY as hell.

“Well, Cas, not for nothing, but the last person who looked at me like that , I got laid.”

and what does Dean do? He winks.

So Dean escapes by sending Cas back to heaven. But how was he sure it would be Cas to come and check up on him? Or is it because , Bobby can’t climb down the stairs , and even if it was Sam , he thinks he can take Sam.?

“You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically , irrationally , erotically codependent on each other , right? - Zachariah

Erotically? Is Zachariah a wincest shipper??? That makes his 1000x worse

“I rebelled for this ,so that you could surrender to them?”

“Cas , please.”

“I gave everything for you, and this what you give me?”

I didn’t expect Cas to beat him up to this level. I think I (We) forget sometimes that Cas is a super powerful angel and not just a sassy but naive guy who can teleport.

I was about to ask , if evryone gets burgers and beer. In this angel waiting space or whatever. And then Zachariah says “I see you and your brother share the same refined tastes”

He’s bait?? oh. They had to use the one last person to call family to bait them?

Aw he didn’t want to let his little brother down!! eek!

(Did i mention Univeristy is killing me? How did Sam do this? I must find my inner Sam (I don’t want to become a drug addict but yea) )

[rottingsins]

"You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically codependent on each other, right?"

- Zachariah, 5x18 "Point of No Return" 23:50.

[angeleyedsam]

“You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically, codependent on each other right?”

this scene caught me off-guard btw. good for them those losers cld not survive without eachother

[dotthings]

There's still a lot after my rewatch of spn 5.18--it's one of the series Great episodes. So I'm going to have to break it up into small posts.

One thing I wanted to zero in on is Zachariah's speech to Adam as an unreliable narrator, and a slick salesman for Heaven, who is all about closing the deal, no matter the cost. The dream sequence in the playground (what is it about angels and playgrounds), which isn't a dream sequence but Zach playing Adam a visit in his dreams (as angels do), where Zach is trying to convince Adam to be Michael's vessel instead of going with Sam and Dean's way:

"Didn't we tell you about them? So you know you can't trust them, right? You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically codependent on each each other, right?...Trust me kid, when the heat gets hot, they're not going to give a flying crap about you. Hell, they'd rather save each other's sweet bacon than save the planet."

It's a deliberate attempt to separate and divide, to get Adam to mistrust them. Like many villains on the show, using a grain of truth: in this case, the brothers are codependent in some ways and they are close, but the rest of it is as twisted and wrong as Zach's fake Mary in DSOTM. (Which was either Mary's real soul being puppeted by Zach, or an illusion cooked up by Zach. It played on Dean's fears. It's not the truth).

And in the same episode, what happens? Sam and Dean and Cas mount a rescue mission to save Adam.

And we know how S5 ends.

In fact, Sam and Dean are the opposite of what Zach claims.

They will always try to save people and save the world, and save the people they love. They'll always come back to that, along with trying to save each other. Adam isn't family yet but they see in him someone who could be family and they care. That's what Sam and Dean do. They care.

That is the truth.

[cannibalisam]

5.18 is insanity inducing. dean writing a letter to sam that says "sam, you told me once that you pray everyday. not sure if that's still true. probably isn't. but if it is, give it one last try for me. and sammy - one winchester lost to this fight is enough." dean being a little bitch the whole time because no one will let him kill himself (metaphorically). "you know sam and dean winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically codependent on eachother, right? [...] trust me, kid, when the heat gets hot, they're not gonna give a flying crap about you. hell, they'd rather save each other's sweet bacon than save the planet." and sammy wins the Little Brother Pageant (as if it was even a contest) because zachariah is right. as soon as dean sees sam spitting up blood he makes up his mind 🙄🤦‍♀️ "honestly? the damnedest thing. i mean, the world’s ending. the walls are coming down on us, and i look over to you and all i can think about is, “this stupid son of a bitch brought me here.” i just didn’t want to let you down."

[ellinorosterberg]

I’m late for the party, I know. I’m in the third season now (watching with a family member and I could watch it alone but that wouldn’t be the same) and I just have to get this off my chest: Dean likes to flirt. We all know that, right? And he flirts a lot. He also likes to annoy his brother. A lot. And I’m sure y’all have already noticed, but it just amazes me that Dean can’t seem to tell the difference between flirting with a girl or annoying your sibling. I know, it could just be Dean being Dean, but still. It hits me hard. The family member I’m watching with? SO BLIND. I said: you know if one of them were a girl, don’t you think you would see their relationship the way I do? As I said: the blindness is strong with this one.

So yeah. And I haven’t even come close to this part: “Didn’t we tell you about them? So you know you can’t trust them right? You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically, codependent on each other right?”

[dailywincestspam]

Zachariah: You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically codependent on each other, right?

Me:

[mlobsters]

supernatural s5e18 point of no return (w. jeremy carver)

saying no to suicidal dean. again.

Dean's goodbye letter (S5Com):

Sam and Bobby—Given what's about to happen, I'll be surprised if this package ever finds you. But if it does, I want you both to know that what I'm doing isn't about giving up. John taught us better than that. This is about time. We've run out of it.

Left the Impala in Cicero. Where I'm going, we don't need roads. I know you'll look after her for me. Bobby—you've taken more for the team than anyone could ever ask. That makes you an honorary Winchester in my book.

Sam. You told me once that you pray every day. Not sure if that's still true. Probably isn't, but if it is, give it one last try for me. And Sammy—one Winchester lost to this fight is enough. When it's over [...]

no.

DEAN How could I? All you’ve ever done is run away.

SAM And I was wrong. Every single time I did.

wonder if that penetrated dean's thick skull. he's got that half lidded self destructive completely checked out look on his face so i'm gonna vote no.

also, say no to suicidal bobby.

BOBBY You can’t give up, son.

DEAN You’re not my father. And you ain’t in my shoes.

fuck you, dean. that was unnecessary.

SAM Why would they do this?

CASTIEL Maybe they're desperate. Maybe they wrongly assumed Dean would be brave enough to withstand them.

DEAN Alright, you know what? Blow me, Cas.

SAM Look, no way. After everything that's happened? All that crap about destiny? Suddenly the angels have a Plan B? Does that smell right to anybody?

SAM Still, trust me. The one thing worse than seeing dad once a year was seeing him all year.

ADAM Do you know how full of crap you are?

SAM What?

ADAM Really. You see, it was me and it was my mom. That's it. She worked the graveyard shift at the hospital. I cooked my own dinners. I put myself to bed. So you can say whatever you want about our dad, but the truth is, I would have taken anything.

okay but one caring parent that isn't around because she's working is a different beast from the one parent who leaves for a week plus at a time with an 9 and 5 year old. maybe uses them at bait. perhaps berates the 9 year old for not being the perfect soldier left behind. can't believe we're fighting over who had the most neglectful childhood.

DEAN Well, Cas, not for nothing, but the last person who looked at me like that…I got laid.

flirting via death glares? seems like dean is just trying to piss off cas. but hey whatever

DEAN I just…I—I don’t believe.

SAM In what?

DEAN In you. I mean, I don’t. I don’t know whether it’s gonna be demon blood or some other demon chick or what, but…I do know they're gonna find a way to turn you.

SAM So you’re saying I’m not strong enough.

DEAN You’re angry, you’re self-righteous. Lucifer's gonna wear you to the prom, man. It's just a matter of time.

SAM Don't say that to me. Not you...of all people.

DEAN I don’t want to. But it’s the truth. And when Satan takes you over, there's got to be somebody there to fight him, and it ain't gonna be that kid. So, it's got to be me.

thanks, i hate it. i hate how brotherly conflict is the bread and butter of this show now. so sam fucked up and dean just can never get past it? that's bullshit. we talked about this! we're rebuilding trust. and now he's just like nope actually can't

ZACHARIAH So you know you can’t trust them, right? You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically codependent on each other, right?

ADAM I don’t know. They said a few things about you.

ZACHARIAH Really? Trust me, kid, when the heat gets hot, they're not gonna give a flying crap about you. Hell, they'd rather save each other's sweet bacon than save the planet.

i had seen that quote as a tag on ao3 so i had looked it up to see if it was in fact a quote, because okay. that's a lot. kind of curious what the motivation was for the writer to go there. i tend to assume the worst when it comes to the ship of plausible deniability.

what even is this episode good lord

CASTIEL I rebelled for this?! So that you could surrender to them?

DEAN Cas! Please!

CASTIEL I gave everything for you. And this is what you give to me.

DEAN Do it. Just do it!

not sure i can take 15 minutes more of this.

SAM What the hell happened to him?

CASTIEL Me.

--

ZACHARIAH Cool your jets, Corky. Sit down. We’re doing it together. Plus, you still get your severance. You still get to see your mom, okay?

a life goes on reference??? *squints*

DEAN Well, they’re right. Because either it’s a trap to get me there to make me say yes, or it’s not a trap and I’m gonna say yes anyway. And I will. I’ll do it. Fair warning.

SAM No, you won’t. When push shoves, you’ll make the right call.

DEAN You know, if tables were turned…I’d let you rot in here. Hell, I have let you rot in here.

SAM Yeah, well…I guess I’m not that smart.

DEAN I—I don’t get it. Sam, why are you doing this?

SAM Because… you’re still my big brother.

guh.

funny trick there, cas

that was a very nice, subtle but also visible change of heart, really well done there jackles

SAM I saw your eyes. You were totally rockin’ the “yes” back there. So, what changed your mind?

DEAN Honestly? The damnedest thing. I mean, the world’s ending. The walls are coming down on us, and I look over to you and all I can think about is, “this stupid son of a bitch brought me here.” I just didn’t want to let you down.

SAM You didn’t. You almost did. But you didn’t.

DEAN I owe you an apology.

SAM No, man. No, you don't.

DEAN Just...let me say this. I don't know if it's being a big brother or what, but to me, you've always been this snot-nosed kid that I've had to keep on the straight and narrow. I think we both know that that's not you anymore. I mean, hell, if you're grown-up enough to find faith in me…the least I can do is return the favor. So screw destiny, right in the face. I say we take the fight to them, and do it our way.

SAM Sounds good.

jesus. okay. stress levels always go down when they're working together and no one is actively suicidal. team screw destiny in the face. saved by the power of love. however i'm going to take a wild guess that someone is gonna sacrifice themselves before this is over

other day i was wondering about that too, dónde está jesús lol

[drfrankensteinvsthequeerborgs]

“You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically codependent on each other, right?”

the more I rewatch spn the more incredulous I am that they aired this show on national television and people let them

[shadypoliticianfromplanetvulcan]

you do know that sam and dean winchester are irrationally, psychotically, erotically codependent on each other, right?

[roadmotel]

okay but the fact that “you know that sam and dean winchester are psychotically, irrationally, erotically codependent on each other, right?” is a real sentence that was said on national television like. i can’t believe people who are professional television writers came up with that line actually wrote it into the script had a table read and made the actors read the scene got approval from the cw to use it in an actual episode filmed the episode had the actors actually perform the scene out loud in front of cameras got it through editing and other assorted post production processes in order for us to hear it on live television in real life. that’s a thing that happened.

[laufire]

POV -> you’re Adam Milligan and the first and last time you meet your really fucking weird half brothers some angel dude named Zachariah says this to you:

[ID: Zachariah tells Adam “You know Sam and Dean Winchester are psychotically, irrationally, EROTICALLY codependent on each other, right?”.]

roughly 10/1200 years later after you escape again you find yourself face to face with them:

[ID: Adam’s extremely awkward expression and attempt at a smile when Michael gives him back control of his body so he can talk to the Winchesters.]