#‘accusing’ Imane Khelif of being trans

[joannechocolat]

Two Boxers Walk Into the Ring...

No-one can have missed the absolute scenes on social media, both before and after the boxing match between Imane Khelife and Angela Carini, from which Carini withdrew after just 46 seconds, having received a blow to the face.

Social media had already been abuzz with unfounded claims that Khelife was a man, largely based on her athletic (and to Westerners, “masculine”) body type. (The same rumours had also been spread about Taiwanese boxer Lin Yu-Ting; also a woman, assigned female at birth, who got into boxing to protect her mother from domestic violence.) From this explosion of misinformation came increasingly wild claims from all the usual suspects: that she was trans (in spite of coming from a Muslim country where transitioning isn’t allowed); that she had “self-identified” as a woman in order to win (again, not possible in Algeria) plus some quite ghoulish speculation about her sex organs, her medical history and the type of puberty she might have undergone.

But here’s the thing.

Khelife is not trans. There is one trans boxer at the Olympics, a trans man called Hergie Bacyadan, who for some reason has gone almost unnoticed in this desperate attempt to prove a conspiracy that just isn’t happening. Imane Khelife was assigned female at birth, has a passport confirming it, and has spent her life as a woman, fighting against her country’s patriarchal ideas of what women are supposed to do. Not only this, but she is an ambassador for women and girls, who originally took up boxing to protect herself from those who disapproved of her interest in sports.

She was disqualified from the 2023 women’s world championships because (according to a Russian source that becomes less and less trustworthy the more you look into it) tests apparently showed some kind of unspecified anomaly, which may have been either elevated testosterone (quite possible in a woman) or the presence of XY chromosomes, once more altogether possible for a cis woman.

Nor does her condition (if she even has one) mean she is automatically likely to win against her opponents. In 2020, she made it to the quarter-finals of the Olympics, where she was defeated by Kellie Harrington, and she has been boxing on the international circuit for years without any of her wins or defeats gaining much attention.

Until now.

But her fight against Angela Carini on Thursday made her a magnet for some truly disgusting hate, largely, it seems, from the kind of men who enjoy threatening women, whatever the reason or excuse. In fact, there were distinct parallels with this and the recent anti-Muslim riots in Southport after the murderer of three little girls was falsely rumoured by agents of the far-right to be a Muslim immigrant.

Let’s be clear. Even if the attacker had been a Muslim immigrant, this violence would have been completely unacceptable. But the mob just wanted the opportunity to scapegoat and attack a community, in exactly the same way that the people attacking, threatening and objectifying Imane Khelife wanted the chance to attack a woman for not conforming to their idea of what a woman should be like.

In this context, it’s hard to see the rage and violence levelled against her for this victory as anything other than misogynistic - and racist.

It’s also hard to understand why in a sport like boxing – where the whole point is to hit your opponent – a person should be criticized for following the rules of the sport. It’s almost as if excellence is allowed in men’s sports, but in women’s sports, it’s automatically viewed as suspicious. And Imane Khelife isn’t the only athlete of colour accused of “being a man” because she defeated a white woman. Serena Williams has spent her career fending off accusations that she “was born a man” both because of her muscular physique and her excellence in her field. Caster Semenya, who has naturally elevated levels of testosterone, has been likewise demonized. It’s almost as if the people driving this toxic narrative believe that only men can excel in sport.   

And as for the argument that claims that elevated natural testosterone levels in a woman is “an unfair advantage,” don’t all elite athletes have some kind of physical advantage? Do we dismiss basketball players for being unusually tall, or weight-lifters for being unusually muscular, or runners for being lean and light? Why do we celebrate Michael Phelps for his genetic advantage, but penalize Caster Semenya for hers? Women have fought so very hard for the chance to participate in sports that were once seen as the sole province of men. Now, when they dare to excel in them, they are accused of secretly being men, or of not being “proper women.”

This isn’t any kind of feminism I recognize. The feminism I believe in is about breaking down barriers, not setting them. I personally dislike boxing (both for men and for women), but I respect any individual’s choice to compete. And attacking a woman boxer for winning a boxing match is as misogynistic as claiming to “defend” her opponent by painting her as a victim. Both athletes chose to compete. Both accepted the risks. Both have had their Olympic moment ruined by people who don’t care about sports, or the facts, or even women. This isn’t feminism. This is the worst and most patronizing kind of prejudice, and it actively hurts women – all women, but especially women of colour and those who do not conform to traditional ideas of what a woman should look like, what sports she should enjoy, or how she should behave.

Women fought for years for the right to make their own choices, to have their own identities outside of the stereotypes set by the patriarchy. Questioning those choices - those identities - isn’t progress.

 Supporting women doesn’t mean protecting them from themselves.

It means not setting limits on who a woman wants to be.

[lesser-vissir]

IDK, I just think that if the notes on my epic dunk on white trans women were majority TME and filled with transmisogynistic comments I might reflect on whether the post was accurately describing a phenomena or not.

Like,,,

Like if you can't see why these are transmisogynistic idk what to say even. Like,

- Outright dismissal of transmisogyny theory because "trans women have it too good"

- Calling white trans women as more likely to be racist than most white people followed by calling transfeminism TERF ideology

- Accusing trans women of dominating the narrative on Imane Khelif as if the other narrative wasn't the mainline opinion of all major discussion of the issue outside Tumblr, then putting up a double standard where white trans women should have been protecting cis woc but not the other way around

- Just wholesale selling the lie that a significant number of white trans women are channers with basically no evidence (not to mention pretending that 4chan isn't transphobic and transmisogynistic)

- this one is literally just the "TME is a useless term" discourse, also it's LITERALLY dabwax. Like, this guy:

What a trove, accused trans people of being uniquely intersexist, blatant double standard regarding listening to oppressed people saying you're bigoted against them, also this is literally about the term TME

Just, maybe there's some nuance here we can acknowledge about "white trans women" absolutely being a dog whistle amongst transmisogynists to just, dodge accountability, cause that does happen, and your stated claim of "white tgirls get away with racism more often than cis white people and need more scrutiny" which is so blatantly not true.

[missmisandrytabletalk]

Just came on here to say that Imane Khelif IS a woman. You can be gender critical and still have some common sense that the Olympics doesn't permit trans individuals to take part in this category of sports. All athletes are subjected to a few gender tests before they even apply to compete in boxing. And it's literally Algeria we're talking about here lol.

Moids accusing a woman of being a man just because she doesn't have a physique and features of a woman that aligns with their fantasized conventional standards. Though the white crocodile tears were definitely a cherry on top.

The general public loves to jump on the bandwagon without doing any research about the chances of what might that person be suffering from. There has been some claims that she suffers from DSD (Disorder/Differences of Sex Development) in which a person is born with reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn’t fit the typical definitions of female or male. They can have unusual chromosome patterns, atypical genitalia size or difference in the development of testes or ovaries. In her case, she has testosterone levels higher for an average woman but then again it also depends on how much responsive your body is to that particular hormone. She might be an intersex individual but certainly NOT a trans person. Even if you look at her childhood pictures, it was quite apparent that she was born a girl.

Honestly speaking, gender testing system itself shouldn't be really relied upon. Human anatomy is complex and I reckon a simple blood sample doesn't really give us the bigger picture. This situation is a clear embodiment of it, and the Olympics team & IBA is to be solely blamed for this controversy. Anyway, congratulations to her for this glorious feat!

[doberbutts]

Hey! don't know if anyone mentioned this I know it's been a few months but if you want to see how imane khelif is tme while still being the direct target of a transvestigation- How has the results of that played out? JK Rowling is facing concequences for her transmisogyny for the first time in her 7 years being an open terf. The difference that can be seen is when you transvestigate a trans woman you will find the damning evidence and thus you can ostracize the trans woman without concequence, As JK Rowling has specifically done multiple times. and when you transvestigate a cis woman and attempt to ruin her life- The transvestigation will fail and the cis woman will have legal recourse to demand concequences for the harassment. does that make sense?

Oh I made a followup post about it which I guess you didn't see.

But yes, Khelif was able not only to continue to compete, but also to bring charges against those who were her loudest detractors. Whether anything comes of that, we will see, but it was apparently scary enough for many to either retract their claims or to issue an apology. I also said that while I understand Khelif's legal situation likely will not allow her to do so, I wished she had words of solidarity and support for trans women who do not have this option.

However, not included in my post and not included in your point here is that this does not always work out this way.

Another cis woman by the name of Castor Semenya faced similar accusations, was forced to undergo invasive medical testing and have her results available for the public to see, and was promptly disqualified due to refusing to undergo mandatory hormonal "treatment" for her newly discovered intersex condition she swears she did not know she had.

Khelif was not subjected to this. Khelif swears that she is perisex and states no one has made her undergo any amount of testing nor has she agreed to do so. It may very well be that she also has an intersex condition she is unaware of, but the point is that one cis woman was able to sidestep this process and one was not. Semenya has not been able to make legal headway in her discrimination case.

There are a lot of factors here. Different ruling bodies, different sports, different years. Khelif is North African and Semenya is South African. Semenya is several shades darker than Khelif. Legally speaking, it is illegal for Khelif to exist as a queer woman in her own country, but significantly less so in Semenya's. And it does not help that Khelif's detractors were emboldened by the end result of Semenya's controversy.

In my original post on the subject, I even said that one could say that Khelif does have some level of privilege because she is specifically able to lean on the fact that she is not a trans woman in order to escape the worse of it, IF it works, because it doesn't always. I also mentioned that there were people supporting her who specifically did so because she is not a trans woman. My questioning was more along the lines of- how can we call this exempt when there was absolutely transmisogyny happening to her right at that very moment?

Having privilege is not the point of the conversation, because I do not disagree overall on that front. Saying someone is exempt from their own experiences or deciding for them that something is going to go a certain way, when we have seen that it is not always so clearcut, was more what I was asking about.

[vavuska]

Imane Khelif.

In 2018 AIBA Women's World Boxing Championships, Khelif participated for the first time, where she ranked 17th after being eliminated from the first round.

In the 2019 AIBA Women's World Boxing Championships held in Russia, where she ranked 33rd after being eliminated from the first round against Natalia Shadrina.

Khelif represented Algeria in the lightweight event at the 2020 Summer Olympics in Tokyo. She was defeated by Ireland's Kellie Harrington in the quarterfinals.

Khelif participated in the 2022 IBA Women's World Boxing Championships, she faced Ireland's Amy Broadhurst in the final and was defeated.

She is not a warmachine. Khelif is a biological woman. Khelif is NOT transgender or transsexual. In Algeria, the country that Khelif represents, transgender identity is prohibited, changing sex or gender is not allowed in official documents, nor are medical or hormonal treatments allowed to transition to another sex. If she was transgender, Khelif would not be able to rapresent her country at all nor travel with an official passport with a female identity!

However, pop up this rumor she was disqualified from 2023 IBA's Women's World Boxing Championships due to high levels of testosterone. Later this was debunked by the same organization. Potentially, could be doping and it was all covered up by sport industry.

Edit: This disqualification happened three days after Khelif defeated Azalia Amineva, a previously unbeaten Russian athlete. The disqualification restored the Russian boxer's undefeated record and IBA has huge ties with the Russian government: the president Kremlev is a Putin supporter and the International Olympic Committee (IOC) expressed concerns about the IBA under Kremlev's leadership. The IOC has also been alarmed by the fact that the IBA's only sponsor was a Russian state-owned energy company (Gazprom) that supports the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Imane Khelif is a UNICEF ambassador, which could again have been seen as a problem by Russian-led IBA, since UNICEF condemned Russian invasion of Ukraine. IBA's allegations that Khelif had failed unspecified eligibility tests are suspicious, expecially because no medical evidence that Khelif has XY chromosomes or elevated levels of testosterone has been published.

The International Olympic Committee (IOC), cleared Khelif to compete in the 2024 Summer Olympics in Paris, confirming that she complied with all necessary eligibility and medical regulations for the event. The IOC noted that Khelif was a woman according to her passport and that this was not a "transgender issue".

She defeated Angela Carini in 42 seconds at the 2024 Olympics, after Carini decided to withdraw citing intense pain in her nose.

This remember me the 'Caster Semenya' case: after Semenya's victory at the 2009 World Championships, she was made to undergo sex testing, and cleared to return to competition the following year. The decision to perform sex testing sparked controversy in the sporting world and in Semenya's home country of South Africa. Later reports disclosed that Semenya has the intersex condition 5α-reductase 2 deficiency and natural testosterone levels in the typical male range.

In 2019, new World Athletics rules came into force preventing athletes like Semenya with certain disorders of sex development (DSDs) from participating in 400m, 800m, and 1500m events in the female classification, unless they take medication to suppress their testosterone levels. Semenya has filed a series of legal cases to restore her ability to compete in these events without testosterone suppression, arguing that the World Athletics rules are discriminatory.

As Khelif, Semenya is cis and has been accused by many people to be trans. Her story has, again, been used and abused to support the anti-trans agenda, claiming that two ciswomen are trans and are unfairly competing with women due to their superior "men strength".

I think Angela Carini was anxious and scared by days of reporter and far-right rumors about how Khelif is incredibly strong and unbeatable, even if Carini has better statistics and more victories in her career than Khelif herself (who was already a Olympics athlete), she was strumentalized by far-right propaganda and made a scene during the match due to anti-trans panic.

J. K. Rowling and Elon Musk, as always, had their small moment of shaming athletes. Most of people think that Carini has been strumentalized by anti-trans Italian propaganda and after being called out for harassing a cisgender woman, she claimed to be sorry for not having respected her adversary during the match.

Edit: more important thoughts on the matter in a detailed political perspective in Italy - A New York Times article develops more extensively what I wrote here.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/world/olympics/boxer-quits-gender-angela-carini-imane-khelif.html?smid=threads-nytimes

Edit 2: Imane Khelif spoke against cyberbullism.

Edit 3: Since in those past days we talked a lot about cis women being called men for not meeting western TERFs standard, I should resurface this old post about how a group of Chinese cis runners were wrongfully called "men" by TERFs.

Edit 4: Elon Musk and J.K. Rowling have been named in the cyberbullying lawsuit filed by Olympic champion Imane Khelif.

Edit 5 - 13th Sept. 2024: Imane Khelif interview

Edit 6 - 13th Sept. 2024: Imane Khelif won gold medal in boxing. Appreciation post.

[theboy-thebitch-thelegend]

i haven't said anything on the topic but i been seeing a lot about it and ykw bothers me about some (a lot) of the posts about Imane Khelif rn?

a lot of posts seem to be phrased like "it's so unfair because she's actually cis!!! nooo she's not trans and this is all Not Okay because we can prove she's not!"

and the implicit statement seems to be that "well yes, if she was trans then of course this would be unforgivable"

people are acting like this is more tragic because she's a cis woman being unjustly "accused" of the "crime" of being trans. not because she's been subject to ridiculous racism, transmisogyny, and public scrutiny.

even if you're of the latter opinion, it's not great when the two positions look almost identical. transphobes WILL turn it around and use your own words to say "see?? even YOU agree it would've been Wrong if she was *actually* trans"

i understand it's pretty hilarious and satisfying to see TERFs/transphobes getting it wrong and getting called out. but we need to be careful with how we respond about this. if your response is the same argument as that of a racist or transphobe, that's bad.

this is what we mean when we say that "support trans women" is more important than "f*ck TERFs"

"see, transmisogyny affects cis women too!!" yes, it absolutely does. but why is that the only time you care so loudly?

[justinssportscorner]

Ari Drennen at MMFA:

Right-wing media spent years demanding that President Donald Trump ban transgender women from competing in women’s sports. He complied. But rather than declare victory, conservative outlets immediately demanded even stricter measures, expanding their campaign to include intersex athletes and calling for invasive genetic testing. Their goal isn't fairness; it's perpetual outrage and ideological policing of women's bodies. After Trump signed an executive order to ban trans women from women’s sports, right-wing media figures quickly pivoted to a months-old controversy centered around Olympic boxer Imane Khelif, a cisgender Algerian athlete who was falsely accused of being transgender last summer. Khelif was disqualified from the 2023 Women’s World Boxing Championships, even though she was assigned female at birth. Despite this, conservative media have revisited Khelif’s case as justification for excluding intersex women, labelling the boxer as “male” in order to claim Trump's ban isn't strict enough, and once again moving the goalposts in their ongoing obsession over who counts as a woman in 2025.

The reality: trans athletes are a tiny fraction of competitors

The portrayal of transgender women as dominating forces in women's sports is a deliberate distortion. Exemplifying the kind of misinformation driving this narrative, Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) recently claimed without evidence that “we’re getting to a point now where women and girls’ sports are getting ready to be extinct,” because, he said, “Already in states across this country, we have high school teams that are made up of totally boys participating against girls.” In reality, the number of trans athletes is even smaller than you might imagine. But conservative outlets have amplified isolated cases in order to manufacture fear, portraying transgender athletes as an existential threat to women’s sports.

Right-wing media push for broader bans and genetic testing

After Trump’s executive order took effect, right-wing media quickly escalated their demands. On February 19, Fox News' America's Newsroom highlighted supposed “loopholes” in the NCAA’s regulations that critics claim would allow transgender athletes to compete. That same day, Fox host Harris Faulkner raised fears about the NCAA’s policies, saying that “if birth certificates don’t count … we are in a world of hurt.” Later that evening, host Laura Ingraham carried the topic into the Fox opinion block, attacking pro-trans policies in Maine and suggesting a loss of federal funding could follow as a consequence. By February 24, Fox Business' Maria Bartiromo suggested that the NCAA could lose its nonprofit status if it doesn’t comply with anti-trans restrictions — framing the issue as a financial threat. Anti-trans activist Riley Gaines escalated further the same week, calling for financial penalties to be levied against non-compliant schools and states and warning Fox viewers, “The war on woke has certainly not been won yet.” The Daily Wire echoed Gaines, highlighting an ad campaign for a t-shirt company accusing the NCAA of deliberately undermining Trump's policy. By March 6, City Journal began explicitly including intersex athletes in its push for expanded bans, advocating for chromosomal tests to exclude women with differences in sex development. Its writer asserted that “in rare cases, though more commonly in developing countries, doctors may misidentify a male newborn’s sex due to female-like or ambiguous genitalia caused by a developmental condition. … Just this summer, a loophole of this kind allowed two male athletes, Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-Ting, to compete as women and win gold medals in boxing at the 2024 Paris Olympics.” If evidence exists for this claim about private and personal details of Khelif and Lin’s bodies, it is entirely absent from the article (seriously, go take a look). According to BBC, the International Olympic Committee has stated that “Lin and Khelif were ‘born and raised as women.’”

[...] On March 11, a group of two dozen House and Senate Republicans signed a letter calling for the International Olympic Committee to change their eligibility criteria for the 2028 Summer Games in accordance with President Trump’s executive order. “President Trump affirmed the position of the American people and those around the world,” the letter read. “Commitment from the I.O.C. to protect women’s sports is paramount.” Trans women were already effectively banned from the 2024 Paris Games. 

Right-wing media influencers revive manufactured nontroversy over Imane Khelif’s gender identity to further expand bans on trans athletes.

[papirouge]

Since I know every radfem, anti trans Conservative and their mama is gonna share this article as a GOTCHA moment, let me explain to you (as a french native speaker) what this article actually says :

the headline purposely leaves behind that Imane pathology translates as individuals getting born with a "POCHE VAGINALE AVEUGLE" (= a closed vaginal bladder) - e.g : that actually confirms she's intersex - and wrongfully assigned female at birth while developing male sexual organs after puberty, which confirms the theory that Imane got in good faith been raised as a girl (for lack of better diagnostic) and enlisted as such in boxing competition.

Chloé very obviously didn't read the article. Don't be an idiot - don't be like Chloé.

Dans leur rapport, rendu en juin 2023, les deux médecins, Young et Fedala, pointent, sans détour, la pathologie d’Imane Khelif, un déficit “Alpha 5 réducatse type 2, une anomalie génétique qui entraine un dysfonctionnement métabolique dans le testostérone et dans la dehydroandrosterone”.

Cette anomalie enzymique touche principalement les garçons ( “jamais les filles”, selon les spécialistes que nous avons interrogés), dont elle empêche le développement normal des organes sexuels. A la naissance, les bébés mâles se présentent avec une poche vaginale aveugle et, faute d’un bon diagnostic, l’identité féminine leur est souvent assignée.

Many idiots stopped at the headline micro penis / no uterus thing - Imane also have a (closed) vagina. Not a single person (Reduxx "journalists" included) seems to have registered this information, for obvious reasons.

the original article states there might have been some arrangement between the Algerian Olympic committee and the Paris Olympic member. And while I'm not surprised about this, I fail to understand why people are getting so mad at IMANE. Because this article fails to prove is that Imane knew she was a man and still forced her way into female competition. The fact that so many of her haters are hellbent painting her as a manipulative bully who forced the hand of the Paris Olympics is absolutely delusional.

Also, Reduxx misleadingly left out the part where the medical report concludes by admitting Imane pathology got diagnostised very late, creating a struggle to properly care for such patients (which AGAIN confirms the good faith of Imane identity as a woman)

BRUH

Shitty journalism.

The second half of the article is literal character assassination, retelling how Imane accused her ex manager over SA accusations (he got acquitted), her team caused a brawl at one competition localization because they didn't accept her to enlist because of her testosterone levels, and hearsay about she being "irritable" or lying about not speaking English.

"this person is a bitch" ...such groundbreaking journalism... like- ok but what about the actual point...?? People didn't wait for Imane to say one word to hate on her. Let's get real.

speaking of which

No, because that suit was about cyberbullying. Whether Imane is a man or woman is irrelevant to the fact a significance of people entertained a hate campaign against her. So her case can still stand.

oh and they also emphasized how her medical report states that her parents are inbred..

and let's just say that her anti are having a field day over this information..

I've yet to understand what a 4B account is soooo invested into clocking the incestuous relationship of some random person, but hey, maybe that's just me. Oh wait, "feminism" has been hijacked by a horde of bullies more interested to shame people than empower women.

[gauntletqueen]

the italian boxer isn't a cop, isn't 100% white, and was crying because of her dead dad. she's come out in support of the other boxer people are using her as a weapon against to be racist. the way the olympics and the media is treating both boxers is really fucked up, i do not think the italian woman did anything wrong, she's just a useful tool of oppression people are utilizing against her will

Okay you're part right, part wrong. I've done some more looking into it and I'm glad I did cause it's Nuanced~ Not here to prove you wrong, just gonna list it all out clearly so we can all understand the situation better.

I haven't personally seen any racism coming into the controversy so I don't understand why you're bringing that up, or that Angela Carini isn't fully white. The most I can see is a few mentions of Italian politicians using the situation to try and earn some brownie points by standing behind Angela Carini, but even then they're also latching onto the narrative that Imane Khelif had an unfair advantage, due to her being transgender. She isn't, btw. She's a cis woman,another case of transphobes jumping at any opportunity to try to push their bullshit, even when the target isn't trans, and nobody had even accused them of being trans before that point.

While I can't find definitive proof that Angela herself is a cop, she was raised by cops and is a member of the boxing division of one of Italy's police forces. I can't figure out if that means that she is also an actual cop but that's probably where the assumption comes from.

"she was crying because of her dead dad" is true, but oversimplifying it. Specifically, she's said that her brother and late father were boxers before her, and taught her the sport. She wanted to honor them in the olympics, but the tension, stress and expectations got too much for her in the match against Imane, who it seems fought much harder than Angela was used to. This caused her to have an emotional breakdown. That's all extremely reasonable honestly I can't imagine having to handle to pressure of representing your country At The Olympics, especially not when there are also such big personal stakes. Supposedly she was cited as shouting "it's not fair!" as she left the ring. This is what got transphobes like JK Rowling and Musk to co-opt the story into their bigotted narrative that Imane must be transgender, as transphobic women in the past have blamed their losses on the fact that a transgender woman Was Involved.

It's likely that they might also have used Imane's disqualification from participating in the 2023 IBA Women's World Boxing championship. The organization had declared her testosterone levels to be too high, which supposedly "proved they had XY chromosomes". Since then, the International Olympic Committee has removed the IBA as the organizers of boxing at the olympics due to "continuing irregularity issues in the areas of finance, governance, ethics, refereeing, and judging" So. Perhaps they are a bad judge of chromosomes. Because again, Imane is a cis woman.

Anyway. Angela has stated (translation taken from Wikipedia, the original italian article is behind a paywall) "I want to apologize to her and everyone else. I was angry because my Olympics had gone up in smoke. I don't have anything against Khelif. If I were to meet her again, I would embrace her"

So yeah, she's done nothing wrong, she just cracked under immense pressure, and might be a cop or cop-sympathetic, but that doesn't seem to really have anything to do with the situation. The important thing is that rightwing bigots jumped at the chance to make her a martyr against her will, as you said.

[doberbutts]

about your TME/Imane Khelif post, i believe i can provide some answers (im not transfem myself but im very interested in transfeminism)

first of all, no oppressed/oppressor binary is going to be perfect. POC/white is a useful distinction, but last summer a white man was killed after being mistaken for being arab. a straight man may be harassed for hugging his male friend and being seen as gay, etc. TME/TMA are useful terms to describe the way transmisogyny operates in society, even though like all oppressions, things can occasionally get muddled IRL. it doesn't make those terms useless or incorrect. to go back to the harassed straight man example, that man would certainly be a VICTIM of homophobia, but that doesn't make him gay, or mean that he doesn't have any heterosexual privilege at all.

(you said imane khelif may be sent to jail IF she's ruled not to be enough of a woman. horrifying prospect of course, but that IF is doing a lot! a trans woman would not have that IF!)

just wanted to provide that perspective since you asked very genuinely and thoughtfully. have a nice day

I appreciate the good faith response!!! This is exactly the sort of discussion I was looking for.

I am mostly on board - I have discussed at length how these social categories are muddy at best and do not operate on strict lines, and that people in general are impossible to place into neatly sorted boxes. Similar to your first example, I reference frequently a past love of mine who was white but often mistaken for mixed asian (usually chinese/white) due to his monolids, facial structure, and facial hair pattern. Despite being a white guy, he had numerous encounters with racists that ended quite violently for him, and as a result was probably one of the most sensitive white guys I've ever dated regarding race.

Being mistaken for being chinese, while not actually being chinese himself, is not at all the same as actually being chinese. I certainly agree. However, I think it is wrong to say that sinophobia does not affect him or that he is exempt from sinophobia because he has the ability to say "hey wait a second I'm not chinese I'm white". Mostly because any time he tried to do that, it didn't work, and he still got beaten up anyway.

And I also don't think it means he has no white privilege at all- certainly, we experienced it as a couple in real time because while he could be mistaken as a man of color, I absolutely am one without question. And, furthermore, I'm visibly black, not just "of color", which makes people really double down on the racism. Case in point, any time I parked my car in the visitor spot next to his apartment door, the landlord would run out of their office to chase me away stating the spot was only for approved visitors. Even though she saw me entering and exiting his residence in her pursuit to make me move my car. The town he lived in is less than 2% black, and these were luxury apartments that did not have a single black person in the building he specifically lived in. He could live there, but I couldn't even visit without being harassed.

Similarly, as I said in my post, I can see the logic of stating that there is privilege there even though Khelif is in a difficult situation currently, because yes, she can provide a birth certificate and a blood test and a genital check and be cleared of all accusations. I just think that being forced to submit to embarrassing and invasive testing, as well as being forced to provide personal documents, and having the world weigh in on the judgement of your gender, is not really a good literal get-out-of-jail-free card. It is certainly a leg up that she has the ability to do so. I do not think it is right that she should have to- but then I don't see the problem with trans women competing alongside cis women. I think it's stupid that sports are divided by gender and not by weight/height/proficiency.

And I think that forcing specifically women of color who oddly enough seem to be the vast majority of these cases (esp black women and esp esp black intersex women who didn't even know they were intersex before but w/e) to prove that they're woman enough to be qualified as women is racial violence with interphobia and transphobia as the weapon. Intersectionality and all that.

[anileesstupidlilblog]

I don't watch the Olympics and I never have, but I just read an article and a few Google results about Imane Khelif and Lin Yu-ting. If you don't know, they're two female boxers in the Olympics. People have been accusing them of being transfem, despite Imane Khelif showing her birth certificate on live TV, saying she's always been a girl. I don't know anything about Lin Yu-ting, but I believe these two aren't the only people who've been accused of being transfem when they aren't. The accusations are basically: "This woman beat this other woman, she must be trans!"

[stupidstrawberrystars]

Real quick, I know basically nothing about this, but Imane Khelif? Accusing her of being trans, even just rumours or jokes, could put her in PHYSICAL danger back home. So yes, she is absolutely 100% completely right to be filing a lawsuit. Not only would it have fucked with her mental state while competing but it was genuinely dangerous, to her life. Being queer is prohibited by law in Algeria. This has put her in danger, even if it’s all been proved to be bullshit, people will ignore that. This MATTERS.

[the-psudo]

Algeria's Imane Khelif won the gold medal in women's boxing at the Olympics. She was subsequently accused of being a transwoman (assigned male at birth), but she has been a girl since birth. There are public pictures of her living as a girl in her early childhood. It's a ridiculous accusation, born of jealousy rather than evidence.

But there is an Olympic boxer who really is trans, and openly so.

Patricio "Pat" Manuel, also known by the stage name "Cacahuate," was assigned female at birth, became a champion amateur boxer in the women's division, then came out as a transman and announced he would be transitioning to male. After his transition and sporting a stylish beard, he once again rose in the boxing world to win his first male division bout in 2016, and was officially inducted to the US men's professional boxing league in 2018.

It's a myth that transitioning to female gives one an advantage in sports. But it is true that trans people, including transmen, can be sports stars.

[avampireatemycock]

Im actually fed up hearing all this shit about Imane khelif. She isn't even trans ffs. Yes, she apparently has higher testosterone levels than most women, but there is absolutely no evidence of this anywhere. She is getting hated because she was stronger than her opponent,how does that work?. The same people who are accusing her of being trans, are the same people who say "if you have a vagina your a woman", how does that make any sense? She also comes from Algeria where it is illegal to be trans, you must be stupid if you think they would send a transgender athlete to the Olympics. There is one trans boxer in the Olympics and he is a trans man, but you don't hear them talk about him because it doesn't fit their narrative. I STAND WITH IMANE KHELIF

[the-starlight-papers]

Tumblr Wrapped 2024:

But specifically just the things that I remember seeing a lot of on my dash and remembered to note down

December 2023:

galve goat destroyed by being eaten by birds

frozen bug man asking to borrow an outlet is a potentially fraudulent misogynist

January 2024:

Chicago rat hole

King Charles gets cancer

hellsitegenetics

February 2024:

1 day blinding stew

Car covered with hammers that explodes repeatedly (pregesterone gets her blog nuked and the tumblr CEO looses it)

Fairy vs. Walrus debate.

Terrible AI Willy Wonka experience in Glasgow featuring the Unknown.

Tumblr officially announces that they have a deal to train AI off of tumblr.

March 2024

Princess Kate weird photoshopped picture makes people speculate that she’s dead

Challenge to beat every single level in Super Mario Maker 1 reaches a crunch point due to Nintendo shutting the servers down in April

April 2024

Whatever the heck is going on with Boeing’s planes all falling apart and also their whistleblower dying under somewhat suspicious circumstances

Boop (April fools)

Francis Scott Key bridge in Baltimore got hit by a boat)

Visitpilled friendmaxxer

Pro Palestine divestment encampments and protests at universities across the US. Notably violent at Columbia university.

Bee guy saves the baseball game!

May 2024

- white people rap discourse

June 2024

general trump getting elected fear and posts telling everyone to fuckung vote for Biden because trump is only going to be worse, combined with GB election fears

Toyota Hilux

the presidential debate 🙃

July 2024

the French 👏go👏to👏the👏polls👏

Trump gets shot at a rally (only in the ear sadly)

CrowdStrike lives up to their name and strikes out a large crowd of Windows computers.

Biden drops out of the presidential race, citing old age.

JD Vance Couchfucking saga

I’m not calling you “good boy” ____, you ____!

Special section: Olympics!

Conservative Christians in the USA boycotting watching it because the opening ceremony had a recreation of the last supper/some dyanasious painting with drag

The USA men’s gymnast who only does one event and spends the rest of his time chilling and doing rubix cubes before stepping up, taking off his glasses, and absolutely destroying in the pommel horse

The Norwegian swimmer hoarding all the choccy muffins.

The shooting finals including the person who stands like a Jojo character, the woman who’s stanced and was giving people bi panic, and the 52 year old divorced dad in a t-shirt that won second.

The bus taking the skateboarders to their competition broke down so they all just skateboarded there instead

Imane Khelif, a cis woman boxer, is accused of being trans by JK Rowling because she looks too masculine

Breakdance will not return as an Olympic event because Australia was really bad at it.

August 2024

Colorado puppy adoption event rabies risk

Animation union yaoi

The triangle maker meme

Gravity falls trends due to book of bill release. Mostly with old man and triangle yaoi and jokes about how Ford doesn’t know about 9/11

World hatsune mikus

September 2024

Twitter gets banned in Brazil

First presidential debate: They’re doing transgender surgeries on illegal aliens who are in prison

Another trump assassination attempt but no one really cares than much about it

Moo Deng the baby hippo

Nefarious anglerfish meme evolves into the humble ____ meme

October 2024

people flipping the Wednesday doll’s hair back so they look bald

Why is this ____ serving Saddam Hussein hiding spot

Hawk tuah

Boop round 2 spooky edition

November 2024

US elections.

Dread immedietly following the us elections, including lots of people posting suicide hotlines.

The what is the most fuckable Tetris piece poll

The Onion buys InfoWars.

[outerspace-castaway]

gotta feel sorry for Olympic Boxer Imane Khelif, she was born female, still is female a right wing nutjobs have been calling her a man for days. you have to have a really nasty spirit to falsely accuse someone of being trans because you 1. hate transpeople & 2. hate masculine looking women and want to use your transphobia to attack people who did no wrong. also the fact that she's from Algeria, a country that jails people for being LGBT. they wouldn't not send any trans athletes to the Olympics to represent them. the mistreatment Imane is facing is disheartening. what a sad world we live in.