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Slightly more moderate terfs in shock that there’s bigotry in their bigot group
#terfs complaining about other terfs being racist after they’ve joined the wagon of#‘accusing’ Imane Khelif of being trans#like ofc I agree what’s been said about her is racist and intersexist and it’s awful that it’s happened to her#and it’s awful for people of colour and intersex people to deal with that too#even terfs. but don’t act surprised. terfs have been calling women of colour men for years#claiming you can ‘always clock’ a trans person by using racist and sexist standards
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Terfs will rage when they read this, but it wasn't them and their transphobic discourse that made me feel like a woman (I'm afab), but trans people.
When you have a discourse that centers a woman's existence in her body image and only in what's supposed to be her body image, you alienate all those other women who do not fit in that definition into thinking they must be something else.
Which is why, for a long time, I though I might be a trans man. How could I be a woman, if I don't fit any of these people's definition of womanhood, besides the fact I have the genitals they deem correct? But trans people? Trans people made me feel correct in my body. Made me feel accepted and seen.
#Imane Khelif#sistra i feel you#i look exactly like you#i've gone through the same treatment my whole life#they haven't accused me of being a trans man but they sure as hell have taken my womanhood away from me bc they didn't like it#anyways#transphobia
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This is the other cisgender female athlete of colour JKR targeted for "looking like a man". Imane won the women's welterweight division and Lin won the featherweight one.
Both women and men's boxing is divided into 17 weight classes, from heavyweight to atomweight. There was never any question of a significant disparity of strength and force between opponents because boxing is already structured this way to minimise injuries and physical advantages.
International sports has always had a long-standing tradition of this kind of racism against cis female athletes of colour, it's just that the contemporary trans panic has given racists new language to use against them. Bigots pick the target before the rationalization. There's truly no drug like white supremacy.
#jk rowling#olympics 2024#serena williams and castor semenya weren't accused of being trans women but it was the same charge#the ungendering of black and brown women has been going on for as long as whites have been colonizing#jk rowling was racist before she ever heard of trans women#we have been trying to tell you that about her stupid books but you wouldn't listen#you're still not listening#stop behaving like women of colour and intersex women are incidental victims of transphobia#lin yu ting#imane khelif#boxing#women's boxing#racism#white supremacy#misogyny#misogynoir#interphobia#transmisogyny
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Two Boxers Walk Into the Ring...
No-one can have missed the absolute scenes on social media, both before and after the boxing match between Imane Khelife and Angela Carini, from which Carini withdrew after just 46 seconds, having received a blow to the face.
Social media had already been abuzz with unfounded claims that Khelife was a man, largely based on her athletic (and to Westerners, “masculine”) body type. (The same rumours had also been spread about Taiwanese boxer Lin Yu-Ting; also a woman, assigned female at birth, who got into boxing to protect her mother from domestic violence.) From this explosion of misinformation came increasingly wild claims from all the usual suspects: that she was trans (in spite of coming from a Muslim country where transitioning isn’t allowed); that she had “self-identified” as a woman in order to win (again, not possible in Algeria) plus some quite ghoulish speculation about her sex organs, her medical history and the type of puberty she might have undergone.
But here’s the thing.
Khelife is not trans. There is one trans boxer at the Olympics, a trans man called Hergie Bacyadan, who for some reason has gone almost unnoticed in this desperate attempt to prove a conspiracy that just isn’t happening. Imane Khelife was assigned female at birth, has a passport confirming it, and has spent her life as a woman, fighting against her country’s patriarchal ideas of what women are supposed to do. Not only this, but she is an ambassador for women and girls, who originally took up boxing to protect herself from those who disapproved of her interest in sports.
She was disqualified from the 2023 women’s world championships because (according to a Russian source that becomes less and less trustworthy the more you look into it) tests apparently showed some kind of unspecified anomaly, which may have been either elevated testosterone (quite possible in a woman) or the presence of XY chromosomes, once more altogether possible for a cis woman.
Nor does her condition (if she even has one) mean she is automatically likely to win against her opponents. In 2020, she made it to the quarter-finals of the Olympics, where she was defeated by Kellie Harrington, and she has been boxing on the international circuit for years without any of her wins or defeats gaining much attention.
Until now.
But her fight against Angela Carini on Thursday made her a magnet for some truly disgusting hate, largely, it seems, from the kind of men who enjoy threatening women, whatever the reason or excuse. In fact, there were distinct parallels with this and the recent anti-Muslim riots in Southport after the murderer of three little girls was falsely rumoured by agents of the far-right to be a Muslim immigrant.
Let’s be clear. Even if the attacker had been a Muslim immigrant, this violence would have been completely unacceptable. But the mob just wanted the opportunity to scapegoat and attack a community, in exactly the same way that the people attacking, threatening and objectifying Imane Khelife wanted the chance to attack a woman for not conforming to their idea of what a woman should be like.
In this context, it’s hard to see the rage and violence levelled against her for this victory as anything other than misogynistic - and racist.
It’s also hard to understand why in a sport like boxing – where the whole point is to hit your opponent – a person should be criticized for following the rules of the sport. It’s almost as if excellence is allowed in men’s sports, but in women’s sports, it’s automatically viewed as suspicious. And Imane Khelife isn’t the only athlete of colour accused of “being a man” because she defeated a white woman. Serena Williams has spent her career fending off accusations that she “was born a man” both because of her muscular physique and her excellence in her field. Caster Semenya, who has naturally elevated levels of testosterone, has been likewise demonized. It’s almost as if the people driving this toxic narrative believe that only men can excel in sport.
And as for the argument that claims that elevated natural testosterone levels in a woman is “an unfair advantage,” don’t all elite athletes have some kind of physical advantage? Do we dismiss basketball players for being unusually tall, or weight-lifters for being unusually muscular, or runners for being lean and light? Why do we celebrate Michael Phelps for his genetic advantage, but penalize Caster Semenya for hers? Women have fought so very hard for the chance to participate in sports that were once seen as the sole province of men. Now, when they dare to excel in them, they are accused of secretly being men, or of not being “proper women.”
This isn’t any kind of feminism I recognize. The feminism I believe in is about breaking down barriers, not setting them. I personally dislike boxing (both for men and for women), but I respect any individual’s choice to compete. And attacking a woman boxer for winning a boxing match is as misogynistic as claiming to “defend” her opponent by painting her as a victim. Both athletes chose to compete. Both accepted the risks. Both have had their Olympic moment ruined by people who don’t care about sports, or the facts, or even women. This isn’t feminism. This is the worst and most patronizing kind of prejudice, and it actively hurts women – all women, but especially women of colour and those who do not conform to traditional ideas of what a woman should look like, what sports she should enjoy, or how she should behave.
Women fought for years for the right to make their own choices, to have their own identities outside of the stereotypes set by the patriarchy. Questioning those choices - those identities - isn’t progress.
Supporting women doesn’t mean protecting them from themselves.
It means not setting limits on who a woman wants to be.
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IDK, I just think that if the notes on my epic dunk on white trans women were majority TME and filled with transmisogynistic comments I might reflect on whether the post was accurately describing a phenomena or not.
Like,,,
Like if you can't see why these are transmisogynistic idk what to say even. Like,
- Outright dismissal of transmisogyny theory because "trans women have it too good"
- Calling white trans women as more likely to be racist than most white people followed by calling transfeminism TERF ideology
- Accusing trans women of dominating the narrative on Imane Khelif as if the other narrative wasn't the mainline opinion of all major discussion of the issue outside Tumblr, then putting up a double standard where white trans women should have been protecting cis woc but not the other way around
- Just wholesale selling the lie that a significant number of white trans women are channers with basically no evidence (not to mention pretending that 4chan isn't transphobic and transmisogynistic)
- this one is literally just the "TME is a useless term" discourse, also it's LITERALLY dabwax. Like, this guy:
What a trove, accused trans people of being uniquely intersexist, blatant double standard regarding listening to oppressed people saying you're bigoted against them, also this is literally about the term TME
Just, maybe there's some nuance here we can acknowledge about "white trans women" absolutely being a dog whistle amongst transmisogynists to just, dodge accountability, cause that does happen, and your stated claim of "white tgirls get away with racism more often than cis white people and need more scrutiny" which is so blatantly not true.
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Just came on here to say that Imane Khelif IS a woman. You can be gender critical and still have some common sense that the Olympics doesn't permit trans individuals to take part in this category of sports. All athletes are subjected to a few gender tests before they even apply to compete in boxing. And it's literally Algeria we're talking about here lol.
Moids accusing a woman of being a man just because she doesn't have a physique and features of a woman that aligns with their fantasized conventional standards. Though the white crocodile tears were definitely a cherry on top.
The general public loves to jump on the bandwagon without doing any research about the chances of what might that person be suffering from. There has been some claims that she suffers from DSD (Disorder/Differences of Sex Development) in which a person is born with reproductive or sexual anatomy that doesn’t fit the typical definitions of female or male. They can have unusual chromosome patterns, atypical genitalia size or difference in the development of testes or ovaries. In her case, she has testosterone levels higher for an average woman but then again it also depends on how much responsive your body is to that particular hormone. She might be an intersex individual but certainly NOT a trans person. Even if you look at her childhood pictures, it was quite apparent that she was born a girl.
Honestly speaking, gender testing system itself shouldn't be really relied upon. Human anatomy is complex and I reckon a simple blood sample doesn't really give us the bigger picture. This situation is a clear embodiment of it, and the Olympics team & IBA is to be solely blamed for this controversy. Anyway, congratulations to her for this glorious feat!
#fuck the patriarchy#radical feminism#radical feminist safe#radical feminists do interact#misandry#man hater#radblr#terfsafe#terfblr#terfism#trans exclusionary radical feminist#anti trans#radical feminist#radical feminist community#radical feminists do touch
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“We can always tell…” — fascist terf proverb
Travis Akins / Chris Evans
#fuck jk rowling#jk rowling#jk Rowling is a transphobe accusing cis women for being transgender#we can always tell#trans rights are human rights#transvestigators#terfs are fascist#imane khelif#women’s boxing#Olympics#Olympic sports#lgbtq rights#jk rowling is a transphobe
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Hey! don't know if anyone mentioned this I know it's been a few months but if you want to see how imane khelif is tme while still being the direct target of a transvestigation- How has the results of that played out? JK Rowling is facing concequences for her transmisogyny for the first time in her 7 years being an open terf. The difference that can be seen is when you transvestigate a trans woman you will find the damning evidence and thus you can ostracize the trans woman without concequence, As JK Rowling has specifically done multiple times. and when you transvestigate a cis woman and attempt to ruin her life- The transvestigation will fail and the cis woman will have legal recourse to demand concequences for the harassment. does that make sense?
Oh I made a followup post about it which I guess you didn't see.
But yes, Khelif was able not only to continue to compete, but also to bring charges against those who were her loudest detractors. Whether anything comes of that, we will see, but it was apparently scary enough for many to either retract their claims or to issue an apology. I also said that while I understand Khelif's legal situation likely will not allow her to do so, I wished she had words of solidarity and support for trans women who do not have this option.
However, not included in my post and not included in your point here is that this does not always work out this way.
Another cis woman by the name of Castor Semenya faced similar accusations, was forced to undergo invasive medical testing and have her results available for the public to see, and was promptly disqualified due to refusing to undergo mandatory hormonal "treatment" for her newly discovered intersex condition she swears she did not know she had.
Khelif was not subjected to this. Khelif swears that she is perisex and states no one has made her undergo any amount of testing nor has she agreed to do so. It may very well be that she also has an intersex condition she is unaware of, but the point is that one cis woman was able to sidestep this process and one was not. Semenya has not been able to make legal headway in her discrimination case.
There are a lot of factors here. Different ruling bodies, different sports, different years. Khelif is North African and Semenya is South African. Semenya is several shades darker than Khelif. Legally speaking, it is illegal for Khelif to exist as a queer woman in her own country, but significantly less so in Semenya's. And it does not help that Khelif's detractors were emboldened by the end result of Semenya's controversy.
In my original post on the subject, I even said that one could say that Khelif does have some level of privilege because she is specifically able to lean on the fact that she is not a trans woman in order to escape the worse of it, IF it works, because it doesn't always. I also mentioned that there were people supporting her who specifically did so because she is not a trans woman. My questioning was more along the lines of- how can we call this exempt when there was absolutely transmisogyny happening to her right at that very moment?
Having privilege is not the point of the conversation, because I do not disagree overall on that front. Saying someone is exempt from their own experiences or deciding for them that something is going to go a certain way, when we have seen that it is not always so clearcut, was more what I was asking about.
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It's fucked up that apparently people are calling you slurs and I hope the actual harassment ends soon!!! And it sucks that people are making things up about you to malign you; things should never come to that.
But I do feel like it really would be good to address the genuine criticism instead of just painting everyone who has questions as being just harassors? Like. You started posting about how non-transfems always have a "trump card" over transfems (one post specifically mentioning "cis intersex women") very shortly after Imane Khelif got harassed over the mere assumption of her possibly being intersex and or secretly trans, where her AGAB didn't matter to the bigots one bit. In fact, the mentions of TMA/TME terminology ONLY started appearing on your blog immediately after the Paris Olympics. For me, that was extremely eyebrow-raising.
I appreciate that. It's largely died down for the moment but I'm not sure if that's just momentary or not. Here's hoping.
I wasn't painting anyone who had questions as being harassers, that's very extreme language to use and I'd appreciate maybe reading my posts thoroughly before accusing me of things like that.
I said the people sending me slurs and messages simply calling me names and intersexist were harassers, I also explicitly said anyone who had questions or actually wanted to discuss the issue should still feel free to send me asks or whatever.
I also was not asked even vaguely about what you're talking about. I was only told that I was intersexist for blocking two intersex blogs and then I was accused of claiming something to do with intersex people and autism.
I had two people in my inbox mention the possibility people were upset that I discussed transmisogyny, but neither of them were sure and only guessing, so I didn't want to throw guesses out. [I did get a more concrete mention of this late last night tho from an anon!]
But no one else said any of the shit you're talking about to me.
I don't remember mentioning cis intersex women in particular but I might've. I had a lot of questions from people about transmisogyny but I did definitely say that anyone who isn't TMA or transfeminized does definitely have leverage explicitly over people who are in the context of transmisogyny. That's true and literally how every type of bigotry works.
I'll address the Imane Khelif bit in a second but first, I do want to point out that my blog started around that same time, Anon.
I didn't start posting about transmisogyny because of the Paris Olympics. I started this blog around that time and transmisogyny is one of the issues I've reblogged posts about and afterwards, gotten many questions about, that's all.
It had nothing to do with the Olympics; I don't watch them and while I paid attention to some of the issues that arose from them [the blatant ableism, sinophobia, COVID issues, intersexism, racism, etc], I didn't make any posts on my sex education blog with the Olympics in mind.
As for Imane Khelif, I do want to mention that what happened to her was not solely about the possibility of her being intersex and/or secretly trans, nor is it true that her AGAB didn't factor into what happened.
What happened to Imane Khelif was very explicitly intersexist but it was also extremely racist. I mention that because it's very important that's not left out of the conversation. It's a very common racist, misogynistic tactic that has been revitalized in current politics and to ignore the racism is to ignore a good part of the picture.
I also don't want to ignore your claim that her being not-transfem had no affect on what happened with her.
To ignore that transfems were largely disallowed from competing in the Olympics at all is absurd and to insinuate there's not privilege in being allowed to compete is not a claim that should be made. If not being transfem didn't affect Imane Khelif at all, she wouldn't have even been in the Olympics.
Nor would it have been as "controversial" as it was [because they likely would have had genuine evidence], nor would she have been allowed to compete afterwards, nor would she have the legal standing to be able to sue people for accusing her of being intersex and/or transfem.
I do understand being wary but absolutely nothing I said had anything to do with Imane Khelif or even vaguely denies or belittles what she and many other people have had to go through because of racism, misogyny, intersexism and transmisogyny.
Just to be absolutely clear, because the poor are absolutely drenched in piss from the way people keep trying to misinterpret my posts:
I did not make any posts on transmisogyny to argue that what happened to Imane Khelif was not awful, nor did I make any posts to insinuate cisgender intersex women do not experience oppression, nor did I start posting about transmisogyny because of the Olympics.
But if that's what people are upset about, I appreciate you letting me know, fr. It's absurdly convoluted and feels like a lot of assumptions were made but it's very kind of you to tell me and I always appreciate people coming into my inbox to discuss things.
Hope this helps! Let me know if you have any other questions. <3
#sex education#asks#imane khelif#intersexism#olympics#transmisogyny#guys#the poor are drowning#please stop
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Hey hey! Wanted to share an experience n get it off my chest if that’s okay, you don’t gotta post it if you don’t want to. This experience is what led me to discover transandrophobia and devour as much as I could of it and I’m also reading so much intersectional feminism as a result!
Ages back, a group of former “friends” that were all adult lesbians of varying transfem and nonbinary genders, unironically Exploded at me due to a conversation that I’ve since showed a vast amount of people who have all confirmed that I was being respectful and agreeable throughout. The gist of the convo was that I “wasn’t listening to transfems” because I, as someone who grew up as a brown arab woman, simply MENTIONED that Imane Khelif was being attacked through racism as well as transmisogyny. For context, I agreed multiple times that she was being attacked through both, but the group was immediately vehemently accusing me of denying transmisogny as a “tme”.
They kicked me from the server, and the owner dmed me a link to @/transmisogny-explained so I could “better myself”, which is a blog that has plenty of good posts, but is so deeply transandrophobic that it makes it difficult to even look through. During the aftermath of this whole thing, my partners had dmed some folks from the server to clarify what had happened for them to react so intensely, and I’ll quote some of the things I noticed from them/their responses:
- every single one of them was white.
- ONLY used he/him for me during this despite rarely/never doing so otherwise. I use any pronouns.
- described me reblogging transmasc positivity posts on my personal blog afterwards as “going on a reblogging rampage” and describing my emoji-filled, friendly, worried messages as “aggressive” and “lashing out after being criticized by a trans woman Once”.
- one said that they’ve been wanting to cut me off since they found out I support trans men lesbians. Because I call myself a multigender dyke and am a man as well as a woman.
- same person also spread that I was calling trans women slurs because I had once reblogged a post where someone mentioned “b/aeddels”
- shortly after they all blocked me on all platforms, my partners showed me their reblogs were absolutely full of the most transandrophobic slop I’ve ever seen, mixed in with good posts about supporting transfems. They also masked off about other queer infighting, such as being on the wrong, cruel side of ace discourse and also needlessly hating on mspec lesbians, anyone using Achillean or the “toothpaste flag” or anything that “appropriated lesbian culture”, and stuff like that.
- turned on my partners as well (tho with less vitriol thank god) for being associated with me. Which they didn’t deserve to be cut off for :(
Basically I’m more than glad to be cut off from them cuz I had no clue of the sheer hatred they were holding for queer people that were different from them, but also I can’t ever help but keep in mind that one of the quickest ways I’ve ever gotten to be called a man, or had he/him used on me, was alongside being called “tme” and being painted as an aggressor.
Everyone involved is safely out irl, and knows fully that I am deeply closeted for safety irl. They spoke plenty of my “tme privilege” while knowing I was at home closeted against my will for my safety and suffering from it on the daily. They labeled me as a rampaging, lashing out tme man, despite rarely using anything but she/they for me beforehand. They cut me off from a huge portion of online community, knowing full well how unsafe my position was and how much I needed the support. I’ll never forget that they saw a closeted brown trans man mention racism alongside transmisogny and immediately jumped him and slandered his name with accusations and aggressive behavior.
jesus christ thats awful
bigotry always seems to come in bunches huh? transandrophobia, aphobia, homophobia, and exorsexism/enbyphobia.... yeesh.
im glad you got away from that server and hopefully my blog can be a safe space for you 🫂
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Imane Khelif.
In 2018 AIBA Women's World Boxing Championships, Khelif participated for the first time, where she ranked 17th after being eliminated from the first round.
In the 2019 AIBA Women's World Boxing Championships held in Russia, where she ranked 33rd after being eliminated from the first round against Natalia Shadrina.
Khelif represented Algeria in the lightweight event at the 2020 Summer Olympics in Tokyo. She was defeated by Ireland's Kellie Harrington in the quarterfinals.
Khelif participated in the 2022 IBA Women's World Boxing Championships, she faced Ireland's Amy Broadhurst in the final and was defeated.
She is not a warmachine. Khelif is a biological woman. Khelif is NOT transgender or transsexual. In Algeria, the country that Khelif represents, transgender identity is prohibited, changing sex or gender is not allowed in official documents, nor are medical or hormonal treatments allowed to transition to another sex. If she was transgender, Khelif would not be able to rapresent her country at all nor travel with an official passport with a female identity!
However, pop up this rumor she was disqualified from 2023 IBA's Women's World Boxing Championships due to high levels of testosterone. Later this was debunked by the same organization. Potentially, could be doping and it was all covered up by sport industry.
Edit: This disqualification happened three days after Khelif defeated Azalia Amineva, a previously unbeaten Russian athlete. The disqualification restored the Russian boxer's undefeated record and IBA has huge ties with the Russian government: the president Kremlev is a Putin supporter and the International Olympic Committee (IOC) expressed concerns about the IBA under Kremlev's leadership. The IOC has also been alarmed by the fact that the IBA's only sponsor was a Russian state-owned energy company (Gazprom) that supports the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Imane Khelif is a UNICEF ambassador, which could again have been seen as a problem by Russian-led IBA, since UNICEF condemned Russian invasion of Ukraine. IBA's allegations that Khelif had failed unspecified eligibility tests are suspicious, expecially because no medical evidence that Khelif has XY chromosomes or elevated levels of testosterone has been published.
The International Olympic Committee (IOC), cleared Khelif to compete in the 2024 Summer Olympics in Paris, confirming that she complied with all necessary eligibility and medical regulations for the event. The IOC noted that Khelif was a woman according to her passport and that this was not a "transgender issue".
She defeated Angela Carini in 42 seconds at the 2024 Olympics, after Carini decided to withdraw citing intense pain in her nose.
This remember me the 'Caster Semenya' case: after Semenya's victory at the 2009 World Championships, she was made to undergo sex testing, and cleared to return to competition the following year. The decision to perform sex testing sparked controversy in the sporting world and in Semenya's home country of South Africa. Later reports disclosed that Semenya has the intersex condition 5α-reductase 2 deficiency and natural testosterone levels in the typical male range.
In 2019, new World Athletics rules came into force preventing athletes like Semenya with certain disorders of sex development (DSDs) from participating in 400m, 800m, and 1500m events in the female classification, unless they take medication to suppress their testosterone levels. Semenya has filed a series of legal cases to restore her ability to compete in these events without testosterone suppression, arguing that the World Athletics rules are discriminatory.
As Khelif, Semenya is cis and has been accused by many people to be trans. Her story has, again, been used and abused to support the anti-trans agenda, claiming that two ciswomen are trans and are unfairly competing with women due to their superior "men strength".
I think Angela Carini was anxious and scared by days of reporter and far-right rumors about how Khelif is incredibly strong and unbeatable, even if Carini has better statistics and more victories in her career than Khelif herself (who was already a Olympics athlete), she was strumentalized by far-right propaganda and made a scene during the match due to anti-trans panic.
J. K. Rowling and Elon Musk, as always, had their small moment of shaming athletes. Most of people think that Carini has been strumentalized by anti-trans Italian propaganda and after being called out for harassing a cisgender woman, she claimed to be sorry for not having respected her adversary during the match.
Edit: more important thoughts on the matter in a detailed political perspective in Italy - A New York Times article develops more extensively what I wrote here.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/world/olympics/boxer-quits-gender-angela-carini-imane-khelif.html?smid=threads-nytimes
Edit 2: Imane Khelif spoke against cyberbullism.
Edit 3: Since in those past days we talked a lot about cis women being called men for not meeting western TERFs standard, I should resurface this old post about how a group of Chinese cis runners were wrongfully called "men" by TERFs.
Edit 4: Elon Musk and J.K. Rowling have been named in the cyberbullying lawsuit filed by Olympic champion Imane Khelif.
Edit 5 - 13th Sept. 2024: Imane Khelif interview
Edit 6 - 13th Sept. 2024: Imane Khelif won gold medal in boxing. Appreciation post.
#vavuskapakage#imane khelif#jk rowling#fuck jkr#italian politics#politica italiana#Angela carini#olympics#2024 olympics#olympics 2024#paris olympics#paris 2024#paris olympics 2024#jk rowling is a transphobe#elon musk#elon musk is a moron#elon musk is an idiot#anti jkr#screw jkr#fuck jk rowling#tw misgendering#caster semenya#fuck elongated muskrat#fuck elon musk#fuck em#elon musk is an asshole#elon musk is a fraud#elongated muskrat#all my homies hate elon musk#all my homies hate jk rowling
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i haven't said anything on the topic but i been seeing a lot about it and ykw bothers me about some (a lot) of the posts about Imane Khelif rn?
a lot of posts seem to be phrased like "it's so unfair because she's actually cis!!! nooo she's not trans and this is all Not Okay because we can prove she's not!"
and the implicit statement seems to be that "well yes, if she was trans then of course this would be unforgivable"
people are acting like this is more tragic because she's a cis woman being unjustly "accused" of the "crime" of being trans. not because she's been subject to ridiculous racism, transmisogyny, and public scrutiny.
even if you're of the latter opinion, it's not great when the two positions look almost identical. transphobes WILL turn it around and use your own words to say "see?? even YOU agree it would've been Wrong if she was *actually* trans"
i understand it's pretty hilarious and satisfying to see TERFs/transphobes getting it wrong and getting called out. but we need to be careful with how we respond about this. if your response is the same argument as that of a racist or transphobe, that's bad.
this is what we mean when we say that "support trans women" is more important than "f*ck TERFs"
"see, transmisogyny affects cis women too!!" yes, it absolutely does. but why is that the only time you care so loudly?
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”If I could draw I’d draw fanarts!”
“If I could draw I’d draw my OCs”
“If I could paint I’d paint all the ideas in my head and become rich!”
If I could draw and paint I would completely erase this portrait of J.K Rowling in a book from my childhood, and draw a picture of Imane Khelif there instead.
This is my copy and it’s in Swedish, btw.
The original title of this book is Good Night Stories For Rebel Girls 2. It’s the second book out of two. This is the first one.
These two books were my childhood. Do you have any idea how empowering it is for a young girl like me, feeling alone in a world that seems to become crueller by the day, a girl who feels unheard by adults, to read these kind of books? I have plenty other books like these, too! These were my two favourites.
Two books filled with strong, powerful and cool women who have changed the world in one way or another! Reading these books inspired me so, so much as a little girl. I couldn’t get enough of these two-page stories about women who were brave and stood up for what was right. Women from so many different countries and backgrounds. It was beautiful. These books were how I found out about most of my biggest idols today: Malala Yousafzai, Greta Thunberg, Anne Frank, Emma Watson etc.
As I said, these books are my childhood. Another series of books that played a huge part of my childhood are the Harry Potter books.
As a little kid, I had no idea about who Joanne truly was. All I knew was that she was an author, and I dreamed about becoming an author one day. And Joanne had written one of my favourite series of all time. Of course I looked up to her! I especially remember looking at the drawing of her in Good Night Stories For Rebel Girls 2, admiring it very much.
I have grown up. I still love Harry Potter, the series played a massive role in my childhood and it’s been there to comfort me in my hardest times. But I do not support the author, now that I’ve heard about and read the tweets she has made about trans women. It’s disgusting, what she’s said about trans women in the past, what she still says, and what she’s tweeted about Imane Khelif recently… I’ve knows for years now what she’s all about.
It hurts, you know. As a member of the LGBTQIA+ community, it hurts to know that the series I love so dearly, the series that always makes me feel better, is written by a person who has no respect whatsoever towards half of my friend group and other trans people. None. She is a horrible human being, and it hurts to know that.
Knowing that her face, her name and her story is written in yet another book in my bookshelf, that her presence is constant in my room, makes me sick to my stomach and has done so for a long time now. Ever since I remembered a while back that she’s in this book, this wonderful book about women who have made the world a better place and continue fighting daily, women I look up to so much… I’ve had this sick feeling in my stomach, because she does not belong in this book. She isn’t a feminist. She excludes trans women from womanhood and accuses cis women of being trans or intersex based on their strength and talent in sports. Based on a supposed high level of testosterone? Joanne is cruel, and she’s rude, and she is not a person kids should be taught to look up to. Not after all she’s done.
Earlier today, I was thinking about this again. And as so many times before, I wished that I myself was a talented artist. This is something I’ve thought about before, but for different reasons. I’ve always wished I could draw portraits and pretty paintings. Fanarts for my favourite ships that I can only picture in my head but not transfer to paper. I’ve always loved drawing, but I’ve never been too good at it. Now I desperately wish that I was.
Because if I was a talented artist, I would grab my pens and paint and brushes, and I would cover up the portrait of J. K Rowling in my book. I would make a whole new portrait in its place, a portrait of another woman I look up to, a strong and beautiful and brave woman. A women called Imane Khelif.
And I’d get rid of the page full of facts and stories about Rowling, I’d tear it apart and throw it away and replace it with the story of Imane Khelif, the one woman Rowling cannot tolerate because of her talent for boxing. I can write. I can’t draw, but I can write. I so wish I could do both right now, because if I truly could trust myself with fully remaking two book pages, I would do it without hesitation.
Imane Khelif’s story deserves to be told. J.K Rowling’s story deserves to be told with seriousness, and grief because of what she has become. This woman could have been a successful author and a beloved feminist, and she could have left it at that. Sadly, she chose a path of hatred and cyber bullying. She chose this journey for herself, and I am sorry for everyone who got their childhood ruined because of it. Heck, I’m sorry for her even, but I still know in my heart that she has no excuses for what she has done. I despise her.
Kids need to be warned about TERFs, not trans women.
Collage made by @thingsmk1120sayz (I will delete it immediately if you ask me to, love <3)
I stand by Imane Khelif. I stand by the girls who grew up to be strong and wonderful women, the women who made their childhood dreams reality and won medals in the Olympics, the women who became successful artists, the women who reached their goals and ended up writing bestseller books loved by generations.
I stand by them, and I love them. But I feel nothing but hatred and pity towards J. K Rowling. Fuck her twisted beliefs. Much love to Imane Khelif!
Edit: I would like to clarify, Good Night Stories For Rebel Girls 2 was released 2017. I have no idea when Joanne started spreading her transphobic views on social media. Feel free to educate me on reblogs and comments! Anyways, I don’t think that the authors of this book, Elena Favilli and Francesca Cavallo, meant to cause any harm by putting Rowling in their book. Either this was before Rowling started tweeting transphobic things, or the authors didn’t know about her being a TERF (I doubt the latter). So please don’t send any hate to these wonderful authors! If you want to send them questions regarding their books, I’m pretty sure you’re free to do so! xx
#imane khelif#fuck jkr#fuck jk rowling#fuck TERFs#fuck transphobia#fuck intersexphobia#fuck sexism#olympics 2024#boxing#women#feminism#heroes#icons#lgbtqia+#transgender pride#trans#transgender#intersex#i stand with imane#ellastag#elena favilli#francesca cavallo#good night stories for rebel girls 2#please make this shit blow up I put an INSANE amount of time in making this post-#harry potter#potterverse#hp#kids books
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Since I know every radfem, anti trans Conservative and their mama is gonna share this article as a GOTCHA moment, let me explain to you (as a french native speaker) what this article actually says :
the headline purposely leaves behind that Imane pathology translates as individuals getting born with a "POCHE VAGINALE AVEUGLE" (= a closed vaginal bladder) - e.g : that actually confirms she's intersex - and wrongfully assigned female at birth while developing male sexual organs after puberty, which confirms the theory that Imane got in good faith been raised as a girl (for lack of better diagnostic) and enlisted as such in boxing competition.
Chloé very obviously didn't read the article. Don't be an idiot - don't be like Chloé.
Dans leur rapport, rendu en juin 2023, les deux médecins, Young et Fedala, pointent, sans détour, la pathologie d’Imane Khelif, un déficit “Alpha 5 réducatse type 2, une anomalie génétique qui entraine un dysfonctionnement métabolique dans le testostérone et dans la dehydroandrosterone”.
Cette anomalie enzymique touche principalement les garçons ( “jamais les filles”, selon les spécialistes que nous avons interrogés), dont elle empêche le développement normal des organes sexuels. A la naissance, les bébés mâles se présentent avec une poche vaginale aveugle et, faute d’un bon diagnostic, l’identité féminine leur est souvent assignée.
Many idiots stopped at the headline micro penis / no uterus thing - Imane also have a (closed) vagina. Not a single person (Reduxx "journalists" included) seems to have registered this information, for obvious reasons.
the original article states there might have been some arrangement between the Algerian Olympic committee and the Paris Olympic member. And while I'm not surprised about this, I fail to understand why people are getting so mad at IMANE. Because this article fails to prove is that Imane knew she was a man and still forced her way into female competition. The fact that so many of her haters are hellbent painting her as a manipulative bully who forced the hand of the Paris Olympics is absolutely delusional.
Also, Reduxx misleadingly left out the part where the medical report concludes by admitting Imane pathology got diagnostised very late, creating a struggle to properly care for such patients (which AGAIN confirms the good faith of Imane identity as a woman)
BRUH
Shitty journalism.
The second half of the article is literal character assassination, retelling how Imane accused her ex manager over SA accusations (he got acquitted), her team caused a brawl at one competition localization because they didn't accept her to enlist because of her testosterone levels, and hearsay about she being "irritable" or lying about not speaking English.
"this person is a bitch" ...such groundbreaking journalism... like- ok but what about the actual point...?? People didn't wait for Imane to say one word to hate on her. Let's get real.
speaking of which
No, because that suit was about cyberbullying. Whether Imane is a man or woman is irrelevant to the fact a significance of people entertained a hate campaign against her. So her case can still stand.
oh and they also emphasized how her medical report states that her parents are inbred..
and let's just say that her anti are having a field day over this information..
I've yet to understand what a 4B account is soooo invested into clocking the incestuous relationship of some random person, but hey, maybe that's just me. Oh wait, "feminism" has been hijacked by a horde of bullies more interested to shame people than empower women.
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the italian boxer isn't a cop, isn't 100% white, and was crying because of her dead dad. she's come out in support of the other boxer people are using her as a weapon against to be racist. the way the olympics and the media is treating both boxers is really fucked up, i do not think the italian woman did anything wrong, she's just a useful tool of oppression people are utilizing against her will
Okay you're part right, part wrong. I've done some more looking into it and I'm glad I did cause it's Nuanced~ Not here to prove you wrong, just gonna list it all out clearly so we can all understand the situation better.
I haven't personally seen any racism coming into the controversy so I don't understand why you're bringing that up, or that Angela Carini isn't fully white. The most I can see is a few mentions of Italian politicians using the situation to try and earn some brownie points by standing behind Angela Carini, but even then they're also latching onto the narrative that Imane Khelif had an unfair advantage, due to her being transgender. She isn't, btw. She's a cis woman,another case of transphobes jumping at any opportunity to try to push their bullshit, even when the target isn't trans, and nobody had even accused them of being trans before that point.
While I can't find definitive proof that Angela herself is a cop, she was raised by cops and is a member of the boxing division of one of Italy's police forces. I can't figure out if that means that she is also an actual cop but that's probably where the assumption comes from.
"she was crying because of her dead dad" is true, but oversimplifying it. Specifically, she's said that her brother and late father were boxers before her, and taught her the sport. She wanted to honor them in the olympics, but the tension, stress and expectations got too much for her in the match against Imane, who it seems fought much harder than Angela was used to. This caused her to have an emotional breakdown. That's all extremely reasonable honestly I can't imagine having to handle to pressure of representing your country At The Olympics, especially not when there are also such big personal stakes. Supposedly she was cited as shouting "it's not fair!" as she left the ring. This is what got transphobes like JK Rowling and Musk to co-opt the story into their bigotted narrative that Imane must be transgender, as transphobic women in the past have blamed their losses on the fact that a transgender woman Was Involved.
It's likely that they might also have used Imane's disqualification from participating in the 2023 IBA Women's World Boxing championship. The organization had declared her testosterone levels to be too high, which supposedly "proved they had XY chromosomes". Since then, the International Olympic Committee has removed the IBA as the organizers of boxing at the olympics due to "continuing irregularity issues in the areas of finance, governance, ethics, refereeing, and judging" So. Perhaps they are a bad judge of chromosomes. Because again, Imane is a cis woman.
Anyway. Angela has stated (translation taken from Wikipedia, the original italian article is behind a paywall) "I want to apologize to her and everyone else. I was angry because my Olympics had gone up in smoke. I don't have anything against Khelif. If I were to meet her again, I would embrace her"
So yeah, she's done nothing wrong, she just cracked under immense pressure, and might be a cop or cop-sympathetic, but that doesn't seem to really have anything to do with the situation. The important thing is that rightwing bigots jumped at the chance to make her a martyr against her will, as you said.
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i think it’s important to point out that all the shit imane khelif is dealing with literally only exposes people like jk rowling, logan paul and elon musk as racists and misogynists because while their arguments are transphobic as all hell, it really only goes to show that they cannot comprehend that women can be strong and tall and look like anything other than the western view of femininity and women.
they’re accusing her of being a beastly man who infiltrated women’s sports to punch them in the head in the Punch Each Other sport because the iba released a dogshit and false statement about her gender test and then never gave any proof of elevated testosterone levels or xy chromosomes—because she beat a previously undefeated russian boxer. it has nothing to do with trans people competing in sports and everything to do with the fact that people can’t comprehend that women can Look Different.
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