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What would happen if MK got a circlet? - Theory/Analysis

(Warning: talk of self harm)

A little while ago, I made a post (here), where I brought up how Wukong getting a circlet in the last season, could be a set-up for MK getting one in the next season.

So, I thought it would be interesting to look into the evidence for it, starting with:

MK's Characther Development

MK for the last couple of seasons (4-5), have been trying to deal with the fact, that he might be at fault for all the harm that have been put upon the world and (more importantly) his friends and family.

This does make sense, as we now know, that it is techincally his fault that so many world-ending scenarios have been happening lately.

MK's birth/awakening is literally the sign that the cycle is about to come to an end, and if he is hence woken up too early than he is supposed to, then the cycle will come to an end too early.

But now, MK has kept the cycle going past it's experation date, and hence proven that people can live without destiny and deal with what comes next together.

But that ironically enough leads to MK's next problem: Proving that the world really can live with chaos now that there is no destiny/ control to ward it off.

Chaos has already started to show its first signs, with Macaque's shadow powers suddenly turning orange and MK's staff suddenly gltiching with thoughs same chaos powers.

Not to mention that MK and the other stones (that have now given power to everyone on Earth) are literally made from chaos!

So, how is the world going to be able to control all this chaos? Well, one answer (at least to control MK's chaos) could be the circlet. After all, the reason Sun Wukong got a circlet back in JTTW in the first place was to control his chaotic nature that hurt quite a few people.

But that just begs the question then: How would MK even get a circlet?

Well to that I see two possibelties:

Tang gives it to him (probably by accident) as Tang is directly related to Tripitaka.

MK gives himself a circlet.

I'm going to discuss the latter, as it is one I haven't seen discussed a lot.

MK giving himself a circlet was brought to my attention by a comment made by @peachponygirl on my original post about MK getting a circlet, and got me thinking:

We have seen he is cabable of controlling the circlet, so wouldn't that mean he should also be able to summon one based on what we saw with Li-Jing?

So, lets say that MK's chaos went out of control (for example: he went apehshit), and while it probably wasn't his fault, he is going to start thinking if maybe him staying alive after the cycle is even a good thing? If maybe, there was a reason he could only live for so long? If the way he was created wasn't intended to hurt people, but only if he sacfriced himself at the end of the cycle (something I discussed in an earlier theory)

And then lets say that he is in another situation, where he is about to lose control again, and in a panic he gives himself a circlet, so he can control himself.

This would be incredibly dark (and is also why I put a warning in the start), but it could possibly happen.

To summarize:

MK needs to learn and try to live without a destiny, and the stability it gave him. He might not have known, he even had a destiny for most his life, but when he did, there most have been something comforting about it. After all, he almost immedatly accepted it, when he learned his destiny was to sacfrice himself, and was about to pull through, before realizing he will just end the world either way.

So now if MK learned, that his biggest fear for most of season 4-5 (that he will hurt the people he loves), could actually happen now that there is no destiny, he might seek out the circlet (just in case) there needs to be a way to stop him.

Conclusion: Oh god this theory got dark.

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Working on a smaller theory about MK possibly getting a circlet! How it woulf happen, affect on his characther, and why it would make sense with the themes for this show :)

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Wouldnt it be so silly if Wukong getting a circlet, was just a set-up for MK to get a circlet next season, because his powers are gonna go crazy with chaos?

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I honestly think, as a fandom, we don't talk enough about how "The Storm Within" (S5 ep 4), and just the overall season, deals with intrusive thoughs, trauma & mental illness in such a realistic and respectful way.

(and yes, of course that means im diving head first into an analysis of it)

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Guess who is back from the dead

Anyway, time to make theoriiiies again

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The next big bad is Nüwa’s brother - LMK theory

This theory started in my head, because I was confused for why Nüwa’s motives are quite different from the show vs her original mythology.

You see, while she symbolizes quite a few things, one of them is actually the opposite of destiny and order: the abstract mindset. While the “order” mindset belongs to her counterpart and brother, Fuxi, who was the one to symbolize “order” with the “straightforward mindset.”

And this seems quite strange, doesn’t it?

I mean, yea, of course some things need to be changed when you are making a show like this, but such a core values is a little strange.

So, I decided to look a little more into it, more specifically into her counterpart, Fuxi and their backstory…

The story goes that Pangu, the creation goddess, split chaos to become heaven and earth (one way being with a giant axe and in another he was also aided by the Four Guardians).

After this he often dies, but in his death creates everything in the world including a woman named Huaxu: Nüwa’s and Fuxi’s mother.

And after I had read this, something clicked into my mind as to why they are showing Nüwa like this in the show. Not only that, but also who the “he that is about to win” is, and why we were warned about him: it’s Fuxi.

(or at least a character who is inspired by him, since characters in LMK are often based of multiple deities and legends, just take Xiangliu)

Xiangliu: I am the 10th King, Prince Consort of Jisai, The Nine Headed Demon, Xiangliu, The Emissary, the list goes on…

And we know Pangu did exist in this universe, since that is his axe right there, hence Nüwa and Fuxi must have originated from him in some sense.

But then, where is Fuxi now?

Well the timeline from here gets pretty blurry, but one thing we know for sure is that someone tried to “break the pillar.”

MK: And someone’s trying to break it!

Wukong: Not for the first time…

And from what is set up, the “he” is the person who broke the pillarthe first time, and did it very deliberately.

Why? To let in the Chaos.

Telling us, that whoever broke the pillar is an opposing or counterpart to Nüwa (Nüwa being very much against chaos in every shape or form, while the “he” is all for chaos).

And who is Nüwa’s counterpart? Fuxi.

Conclusion: Neither Fuxi (symbolising masculinity) or Nüwa (symbolisng femininity) are truly good, so be non-binary! It's so much easier! (this is a joke)

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These two scenes are connected

Sandy’s JTTW flashback/ Wukong and Macaque’s fight are connected.

Think about it. If Wukong and Macaque really were fighting, wouldn’t that mean that the Pilgrims would be close by to help?

It would also make sense from a timeline standpoint, since we know that the Pilgrims disappeared between the Samadhi Fire incident and DBK’s entrapment.

(Wukong disappeared after the entrapment, the Pilgrims seeminlgy being "dead" by this point).

And since Wukong and Macaque’s fight have no clear placement on that timeline, it wouldn’t be too far of a fetch to say that it happened between thoughs two things.

If it also did happen at this time, it would mean that at this point Macaque would have gained the “chaos powers” from the deal, since his shadow powers seem to be connected to his chaos powers, and we know he had them at that time

And since we don’t know how chaos powers fully work yet, this scene with Pigsy/Zhu Baije, could have been the result of an attack from Macaque.

Which would also explain why we even saw this scene in the first place! I mean, why else would they show this otherwise very random flashback?

And not only would it explain that, and where the fight is on the timeline, it would also explain what happened to the Pilgrims.

That the Pilgrims got hurt badly in the fight with Macaque.

Making people think that they all died, but chaos powers work in weird ways (ways we don’t understand yet), so they are still alive, yet with no memories of their past, and are now known as Sandy, Pigsy and Tang.

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GUESS WHO FINALLY COVERED THE FORGOTTEN MEMORY STUFF!!

Questions I theorise about here:

How did Wukong and Macaque loose their memories?

Why is so many people loosing their memories?

How MK and Mei's friendship parralels Wukong and Macaque's, and where their friendship is going.

What happend to the Pilgrims?

Why did Sandy have Flashbacks to JTTW?

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POV: You are a teenager/ young adult who is trapped in a cycle, that has happend hundreds if not thousands of times, where you have to fufill a "destiny", that has been given to you, by the closest you have to a biological parent, where you have to sacrifice both your body and mind to a "higher cause".

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POV: you are the one of your friends who actually studied the legends/mytholgy behind this show.

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Plushie Pumpkin Macaque!

I also dressed up as MK this halloween!

And yes, he is squishable.

I made him last year (just at the start of my hyperfixation) where @lu-zijing helped with the faces placement.

(It fits)

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MK Cosplay for Halloween! :D

Also made a plushie pumkin Macaque (not for sale), just for funsies

Wore it earlier but posted a little late, but I blame it on the fact I had a latin exam yesterday (ON HALLOWEEN).

I got the shirt and pants from a thrift store, and just drew on the shirt with some textil markers. I also wore a bandana, which was just some fabric from an old shirt that was too small anyway.

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Currently working on a theory video about Wukong and Macaque's "forgotten memories"(and the other stuff it connects to), these are the chapters:

The ones I have crossed out are because they only make sense with the video.

Anyway I am currently editing the script through :)

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So… how does this chaos work? Well, let’s get into that

First of all, we know that this chaos, even though vastly different from destiny/ order is closely related to it through the cycle.

After all, the first time MK walked into the pillar he came to Nüwa’s in-between “order” world, but then the second time he arrived at the Edge of Chaos. You can call the pillar a sort of “portal to different worlds.”

The reason this was the difference from the first to second time MK walked into the pillar, is probably because of the state of the world.

The first time he went in, he was still following “destiny”, but the second time he had at that point denied it. We could basically say that chaos is starting to get closer to our world now. (Oh no)

Second of all "the Edge of Chaos”, as I just realized, is not a giant sea of chaos, but just above the Primordial Chaos. As we see, there are clouds, and we are above the clouds when seeing this for the first time.

This is actually really clever, since it tells us about the Primordial Chaos but still keeps it a secret. Who knows, maybe the “he that is about to win”, is also hanging out down there with some cool new antagonists.

Anyway, that was just some things I had noticed/ is theorizing about, have a good day!

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What would happen if Nüwa met Pigsy? - Dadsy Theory

Answer: He would kill her for making her sons destiny

In season 5 we had a bigger focus on Pigsy and MK’s relationship, or more specifically how Pigsy feels like everything in the universe is trying to destroy MK.

Pigsy: ” Its like Destiny chose MK to toy with”

But this had me asking… what would happen if he actually met the person who created his son’s destiny, aka Nüwa?

And not only is this a really interesting scenario to think about, but there is also evidence that it could happen!

First evidence: Episode 5 was a setup episode

A lot of the things that were set up in previous seasons were showed in this season (Xiangliu, Wukongs circlet, MK’s destiny etc..) but there was also a lot of things that were set up in this season (Macaque's deal, who the "he" that is winning is, Mei and MK's friendship ect).

One of these things were actually Pigsy’s feelings about MK’s “destiny”. And while yes, the feelings were “covered”, they weren’t resolved. Meaning there is a good chance there are setting something up here.

Second evidence: Nüwa will travel to the earth

Last time we saw Nüwa she was in the in-between, between life and death, because she was watching over the Cycle.

But now there isn’t a cycle anymore (or atleast a planned destiny)… So… what can Nüwa do now?

Well, I don’t think she is just going to leave her “little people”, just chilling around with their newfound powers (especially since thoughs powers come from CHAOS, aka the thing she was trying to prevent for so long).

And in some versions of her old mythology she created the humans out of loneliness, and with the humans she created now being “in-danger of chaos”, it would give her the perfect opportunity to go down and see them!

Though I’m theorising she isn’t just going to be able to chill with her people, because there is certain noodle shop owner that would like a word with her.

Or:

Conclusion: Nüwa is in danger