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bestiainfinita · 15 days ago

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Actually an oficial video game is already on production. It’s been made by the same guy that made the ‘Little Wolf’ animation, and he has been working on that video game for around a year by now.

Wait is it confirmed that EPIC is going to be a stage production? :0

It is not! There is currently no confirmation on what the future of Epic will hold, but Jorge has mentioned possibilities of a stage adaption, an animated movie, or possible a video game of sorts!!

I personally would love a stage adaption, but I think whatever format Epic finds itself in will be amazing!!!

#epic the musical #epic: the musical

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bestiainfinita · 17 days ago

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I structured it like that because the point I was trying to make / the main point, was what was written in the post, the tags were after thoughts which I added after posting the original response or things I considered minor, therefore they were more disorganized. Basically my point was what was in the post, the rest were just lose thoughts.

And now that I’ve understand your point is about consistency I can comprehend / see it better, so thanks for that.

And don’t worry that much about me saying that about that part of the paragraph, it was more just me saying ‘this probably came out worse than it was supposed to’ but either way, thanks for the clarification and the edit on that part. 👍

But my main point still stands, I believe he felt more comfortable / capable of writing only allusions which didn’t have any actual / concrete victims. (Antinous never got to do anything and Zeus was too vague and didn’t referenced anything specific).

Trigger warning: topic about SA, aka Im gonna rant about the suitors plan

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So, I’m going to talk about something I actually dislike ALOT in Epic: The Musical. The whole subplot about the suitors wanting to gangrape Penelope. The more I think about it, the more I realize how unnecessary this addition to the story is.

If you removed it, it wouldn’t change the outcomes of the story at all. Odysseus would still kill them. Nothing has ever stopped him before— neither the infant, Polites’ ideology, nor the fact that he willingly led his remaining crew to certain death while always ensuring his own safety above theirs. But somehow, a group of 20-year-olds is the line he can’t cross????? Like, “Oh no, they’re just rude guests, I can’t kill them!🙁” It doesn’t make sense. Odysseus would kill them either way, they don’t need to be wannabe gangrapists to motivate him. It’s entirely in character for him to do so without additional justification.

I understand why Jorge added this to the story, is to raise the stakes. Odysseus has just defeated the personification of ruthlessness itself (Poseidon) by using a fucking jetpack and punching the god really hard. Symbolically, Odysseus has taken the title of “ruthlessness” for himself. So, what can the next threat be that’s stronger and more menacing than Poseidon? Ah yes.... it's the gangrapists /s

For me, it would be more thematically fitting with Odysseus’ ruthless nature to not have a justifiable "motivation" to kill the suitors. Imagine instead if they were portrayed as having the same youthful energy as Telemachus. Like a bunch of rude young men! And then the story could show an adult man brutally murdering a group of young people with no mercy. Then, the song ends with Odysseus seeing Penelope’s horrified face as she looks around the throne room splattered with the blood and gore of her guests. At that moment, Odysseus realizes he’s messed up, putting his biggest fear, which is Penelope rejecting him (something he expresses in Keep Your Friends Close) at risk of becoming a reality. And then, the musical end with Odysseus begging Penelope to accept him despite what he has become. Like what I said, the outcome will still end up in this moment despite with or no sexual violence. I mean, the suitors wanting to kill Telemachus is enough as a motivation. Ody don't really need that much.

I dunno , I think this would hit harder, rather than "Ahh you saved me from the rapist my husband! Thank you!~😍 " "All for you baby girl~~ 😘"

The gangrape plotline only exists to make Odysseus look good for the audience, making him into the good hero who saves the damsel with zero screentime, and reassures that the suitors are antagonists. But it does also puts Penelope in a position where she has to take Odysseus back, or else she risks being seen as “ungrateful” by the audience. I promise you, if Penelope were to reject Odysseus after he saved her from the suitors, most of the fanbase would despise her for it. Of course, that won’t happen, Penelope will accept Odysseus no matter what he does, cuz that is what her characterization is. She is Odysseus' happy ending, if she rejects him then the story wont have a happy ending.

The sexual violence just isn’t necessary. Especially when Jorge went out of his way to make the relationship between Odysseus and Calypso as vague as possible. There’s no explicit statement in the musical that Calypso assaulted Odysseus, and I’m Not Sorry For Loving You is even depicted in a sympathetic light. That was a deliberate choice. So, why remove and downplay the sexual assault from the original story with Calypso, only to add a sexual assault subplot towards Penelope that wasn’t in the original?

It’s unnecessary. Just let Odysseus commit cruel and ruthless deeds without a "good justification" or feeling bad about it afterward for once.

However, the last saga isnt out yet, so there is a possibility that Jorge have rewritten it. I do hope that he removes it, but at this moment, it looks like it will be in there. Welp, maybe he pulls the rug under my feet with a twist or some sort. We can only wait and see!

#tw sa #tw rape #rape tw #cw #cw rape #rape cw #cw sa

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bestiainfinita · 17 days ago

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I always thought he was comfortable with Zeus and Antinous because there wasn’t any victims.

Cause Zeus speech in an allegory and isn’t referring to any specific ‘encounter’ of his.

And Antinous plan fail / isn’t put into motion so/and nothing bad happens to Penelope.

But if he implemented the SA from Calypso to Odysseus, there would be a real victim and he would have to write the whole thing from a first line perspective. And that part is we’re he drew the line, when there is a real victim.