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‘Your Light’ Explanation and other information

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“Your Light” as a song has gone through a lot of changes throughout the course of EPIC’s development, I’ll start from the very beginning and I’ll remark the parts that are speculation. (Also I had to add some edits so this color is for that)

Back in the early stages of EPIC the Ismarus event was part of EPIC, and it is speculated that back in the day Ismarus had a whole Saga dedicated to it; from songs and information from Jorge’s Patreon we know that this songs would tell the events that went down on Ismarus:

• Ismarus (Probably An Earlier Version)

• Your Light

• Man Of The House (Eurylochus Version)

• Unhand Him

• Mercy Has A Price

It is theoraized that this version of EPIC was the one in which Act I ends with the Circe Saga, making EPIC 10 Sagas long instead of 9.

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EDIT: So new info just dropped, Jorge showed a list of ‘cut songs’ he has been able to salvage and it turns out there is an even EARLIER version of ‘Your Light’ that is about Odysseus family instead. We do not know anything about this version outside of the fact that it exist, it is at the start of the list with songs from 2019 and about the Iliad (which can mean that this version was more about the Iliad than the Odyssey, from a time EPIC wasn’t even an adaptation of the Odyssey) and that instead of Polites, Ody’s family was involved, anyways just a quick edit to let y’all now this new info.

Also everything between songs 9. and 23. seems to be all of the songs that attempted to covered what happened on Ismarus, not saying all those songs are part of the hypothetical ‘Ismarus Saga’ (I believe the list I made is the one that came the closest to what the ‘Ismarus Saga’ would have been), but that those are all of the attempts at including anything Ismarus related to EPIC.

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Anyways, this hypothetical version of EPIC was scrapped and rewritten even before what we know as the “First Draft”, although two of those songs managed to survive to be part of the First Draft of EPIC, those songs being ‘Ismarus’ and ‘Your Light’.

(I’m not counting ‘Man Of The House’ because it basically became a different song).

Eventually, Jorge rewrote the First Draft centering in Act I, in that rewrite the first two Sagas got major revamp, and with that ‘Ismarus’ and it’s storyline got cut and ‘Your Light’ transformed into ‘Open Arms’. (Also ‘Man Of The House’ was cut and it’s melody / motif became the main chant of the Suitors)

Now, let’s go with the context of the song: this song is set right after the song ‘Ismarus’, in this song Polites is trying to help and animate Odysseus (who is in the boat not been able to sleep because of the screams of the people he have hurt) after what happened on Troy and sending his tropes to raid Ismarus; they speaks about their past, mentioned the inscident with the Boar (in which Odysseus meet Athena, and from the First Draft song list we know the next song was the equivalent of ‘Warrior Of The Mind’). And in conclusion Polites tells Odysseus that no matter what, he is going to be with him, and that he can always rely on him to help him, guide him to what is right, and to “be his light”.

(If you have information I missed or you wished to add let me know)

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I had a discussion on Instagram about Eurylochus and wanted to share it here , the post where this conversation happened is irrelevant but it was about Eurylochus and the end of the Thunder Saga, anyways I made a comment and this guy’s responded:

Then I responded with this across some comments (I chose not to use screen caps for most of my things because they are a lot of comments and it might be over the limit of them, and I had the stuff I said saved):

Lol what are you in buddy???

First of all, since the start Eurylochus has had one objective in mind just like Odysseus, Eurylochus wanted to protect the crew and to get them home while Odysseus wanted to go home to be with his son and wife, that’s the main reason the diversion between Eury and Ody happened, because Ody cared more about getting home than about the crew, while Eury cared more about the crew than getting home.

In ‘Full Speed Ahead’ (Song 03) he tells Ody that they are out of food and they need to feed THE CREW so he asks the captain / king what they should do, because that’s is what he’s supposed to do, he proposes attacking and just taking the food because he wants to ensure food for the crew no matter what, this is also proveen in ‘Polyphemus’ (Song 06) when the first thing he says is “There are enough sheep here to feed the entire fleet” he was thinking about the crew again. Then in ‘Remeber Them’ (Song 09) he’s the one who ask “But captain, what do we do with our fallen friends?” because he CARES about the crew.

Also he not only cares about the crew but he cares about Odysseus too (he’s part of the crew but anyways), this is better shown in ‘Luck Runs Out’ (Song 11); “You could be caught off guard and lose your life” “I just don’t wanna see another life end” “You are like the brother I could never do without”.

Then in the same song (‘Luck Runs Out’) we understand why he opened the wind bag. He was afraid, he was afraid of the Gods and what they might do to him, Odysseus and the crew; “You could be caught off guard and lose your life” “Or piss off this God and infuse us with strife” “Don’t forget how dangerous the gods are”.

Now the Circe thing, y’all have very selective hearing and didn’t understood Eury at all, he is still afraid during this song (‘Puppeteer’ Song 14); he’s afraid of a Goddess, of Circe, he gave those men for dead because they were captured by a literal Goddess, and he is also afraid of what she might to to Odysseus and the rest of the crew if they try to face her; “Think about the men we have left before there’s none, let’s just cut our loses, you and I, and let’s run” “What if she can’t be killed!? — Will you chose to leave?”

By the way, I would like to point out that in this song (‘Puppeteer’) Odysseus says “There’s no length I wouldn’t go, if it was you I’d have to save, I can only hope you’ll do the same…” and Eurylochus responds by literally doing that, by trying to stop Odysseus from going into that suicidal mission, (let me remind y’all that the only reason Odysseus stood his ground against Circe was thanks to Deus Ex Hermes).

And another thing, some of you people like to say Eurylochus wanted Odysseus gone or blasphemy like that, then why didn’t he killed him in ‘Mutiny’ (Song 24), he had Odysseus stabbed and defenseless but he didn’t killed him, he and the crew just restrained him and treated all of his wounds, they didn’t want him dead, they just couldn’t trust him anymore and therefore couldn’t have him as his captain.

Then they said this (ignoring stuff I already talked about):

And finally I finished the conversation and responded with this:

1. I literally addressed the Circe situation in my previous comments, and explained how he gave those men for dead because to save them they would have had to fight a LITERAL GODDESS (remember they just lost 11 ships / more than 500 men to another God), and again, the only reason Ody won / was able to talk it through was thanks to Hermes’s intervention.

2. Again, I believe the treasure was a misdirection, and the real reason was fear, as I have explained before / in my previous comments.

3. If he wanted to forget what he did and act like nothing have happened, he wouldn't even have confessed in the first place, so it's obviously not about that.

4. That part was a metaphor, see how it is similar to 'Luck Runs Out' in the way that one was talking as a friend and the other as his title, in 'Luck Runs Out' Odysseus is the one talking as a friend while in 'Mutiny' Eurylochus is the one talking as a friend (we know because he called him "Ody" instead of "Captain"), so he was talking one on one and Odysseus was responding talking about himself about how HE wanted to go back to HIS kingdom HIS son and HIS wife ignoring what Eurylochus was saying to him as well as his concerns (like he did in ‘Luck Runs Out’), then the crew jumps in showing Odysseus that all of the crew thinks the same, that they are all tired, that they are all hurt, and that they are all hungry, something that Odysseus's own suffering has made him oblivious to, and now he tries to talk to the crew, to calm them and convince them, but he has already shown them that his priority is himself, so they ignore his pleading and try to give themselves comfort in the only way they currently can, try so solve the only problem they as mere men are able to, and so they killed the cattle to eat.

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I was checking some of Jorge’s older videos on TikTok searching for the ‘Man Of The House’ videos and found a video on about Draft 1 of EPIC and, can we talk about this song list!

I knew about this version of Act 2 (mainly because the only big chances are the second half of The Ithaca Saga), but Act 1…!!!

What do you mean an earlier version of ‘Monster’ used to be on the Cyclops Saga?!?!

What do you mean ‘Ismarus’ and ‘Your Light’ made it all the way to Draft 1?!?!

Was ‘The Boy And The Boar’ a Troy Saga or Cyclops Saga song?!?!

Was ‘The Troy Saga’ 6 songs long and the Cyclops Saga 3 songs long?!?!

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE USED TO BE A SONG CALLED ‘Failed Confession’ WHICH SEAMED TO BE ABOUT EURYLOCHUS AND ODYSSEUS?!?!?

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Can we talk about ‘Man Of The House’ and how it went from being an Eurylochus song, to an Odysseus song, to being the main chant / theme for the Suitors.

There is a whole story behind the ‘Man Of The House’ theme / melody and I really wanna know it.

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EPIC: The Musical, La Saga de Ítaca [SPOILERS]

Odiseo, cubierto de sangre: Penelope, ya no soy el hombre al que amaste, ahora soy un monstruo; he herido y matado a incontables personas y he dejado un rastro de sangre por cada lugar donde he pasó.

Penelope (La Espartana) en corto:

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EPIC: The Musical, The Ithaca Saga [SPOILERS]

Eurymachus part, but in the Manwhore AU:

Eurymachus: Let’s have open arms instead… 🙏

Odysseus: Nop… points at him 🏹

Eurymachus: … wait! 😰

Eurymachus: What about open legs? 🤔

Odysseus: 😐

Eurymachus: 😘

Odysseus: No! 😠🏹🩸

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Vacuuming old houses.

‘You are trying to slap some sense into your ex-boyfriend, while he does not let you sleep.’

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EPIC: The Musical, The Ithaca Saga [SPOILERS]

Odysseus: I’m not your lovely husband anymore, I’m a Monster now… It’s okay if you don’t love me anymore…

Penelope: Aight, move the wedding bed then…

Odysseus: *starts tweaking*

Penelope: Yep, that’s my husband…

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Actually an oficial video game is already on production. It’s been made by the same guy that made the ‘Little Wolf’ animation, and he has been working on that video game for around a year by now.

Wait is it confirmed that EPIC is going to be a stage production? :0

It is not! There is currently no confirmation on what the future of Epic will hold, but Jorge has mentioned possibilities of a stage adaption, an animated movie, or possible a video game of sorts!!

I personally would love a stage adaption, but I think whatever format Epic finds itself in will be amazing!!!

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I structured it like that because the point I was trying to make / the main point, was what was written in the post, the tags were after thoughts which I added after posting the original response or things I considered minor, therefore they were more disorganized. Basically my point was what was in the post, the rest were just lose thoughts.

And now that I’ve understand your point is about consistency I can comprehend / see it better, so thanks for that.

And don’t worry that much about me saying that about that part of the paragraph, it was more just me saying ‘this probably came out worse than it was supposed to’ but either way, thanks for the clarification and the edit on that part. 👍

But my main point still stands, I believe he felt more comfortable / capable of writing only allusions which didn’t have any actual / concrete victims. (Antinous never got to do anything and Zeus was too vague and didn’t referenced anything specific).

Trigger warning: topic about SA, aka Im gonna rant about the suitors plan

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So, I’m going to talk about something I actually dislike ALOT in Epic: The Musical. The whole subplot about the suitors wanting to gangrape Penelope. The more I think about it, the more I realize how unnecessary this addition to the story is.

If you removed it, it wouldn’t change the outcomes of the story at all. Odysseus would still kill them. Nothing has ever stopped him before— neither the infant, Polites’ ideology, nor the fact that he willingly led his remaining crew to certain death while always ensuring his own safety above theirs. But somehow, a group of 20-year-olds is the line he can’t cross????? Like, “Oh no, they’re just rude guests, I can’t kill them!🙁” It doesn’t make sense. Odysseus would kill them either way, they don’t need to be wannabe gangrapists to motivate him. It’s entirely in character for him to do so without additional justification.

I understand why Jorge added this to the story, is to raise the stakes. Odysseus has just defeated the personification of ruthlessness itself (Poseidon) by using a fucking jetpack and punching the god really hard. Symbolically, Odysseus has taken the title of “ruthlessness” for himself. So, what can the next threat be that’s stronger and more menacing than Poseidon? Ah yes.... it's the gangrapists /s

For me, it would be more thematically fitting with Odysseus’ ruthless nature to not have a justifiable "motivation" to kill the suitors. Imagine instead if they were portrayed as having the same youthful energy as Telemachus. Like a bunch of rude young men! And then the story could show an adult man brutally murdering a group of young people with no mercy. Then, the song ends with Odysseus seeing Penelope’s horrified face as she looks around the throne room splattered with the blood and gore of her guests. At that moment, Odysseus realizes he’s messed up, putting his biggest fear, which is Penelope rejecting him (something he expresses in Keep Your Friends Close) at risk of becoming a reality. And then, the musical end with Odysseus begging Penelope to accept him despite what he has become. Like what I said, the outcome will still end up in this moment despite with or no sexual violence. I mean, the suitors wanting to kill Telemachus is enough as a motivation. Ody don't really need that much.

I dunno , I think this would hit harder, rather than "Ahh you saved me from the rapist my husband! Thank you!~😍 " "All for you baby girl~~ 😘"

The gangrape plotline only exists to make Odysseus look good for the audience, making him into the good hero who saves the damsel with zero screentime, and reassures that the suitors are antagonists. But it does also puts Penelope in a position where she has to take Odysseus back, or else she risks being seen as “ungrateful” by the audience. I promise you, if Penelope were to reject Odysseus after he saved her from the suitors, most of the fanbase would despise her for it. Of course, that won’t happen, Penelope will accept Odysseus no matter what he does, cuz that is what her characterization is. She is Odysseus' happy ending, if she rejects him then the story wont have a happy ending.

The sexual violence just isn’t necessary. Especially when Jorge went out of his way to make the relationship between Odysseus and Calypso as vague as possible. There’s no explicit statement in the musical that Calypso assaulted Odysseus, and I’m Not Sorry For Loving You is even depicted in a sympathetic light. That was a deliberate choice. So, why remove and downplay the sexual assault from the original story with Calypso, only to add a sexual assault subplot towards Penelope that wasn’t in the original?

It’s unnecessary. Just let Odysseus commit cruel and ruthless deeds without a "good justification" or feeling bad about it afterward for once.

However, the last saga isnt out yet, so there is a possibility that Jorge have rewritten it. I do hope that he removes it, but at this moment, it looks like it will be in there. Welp, maybe he pulls the rug under my feet with a twist or some sort. We can only wait and see!

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I always thought he was comfortable with Zeus and Antinous because there wasn’t any victims.

Cause Zeus speech in an allegory and isn’t referring to any specific ‘encounter’ of his.

And Antinous plan fail / isn’t put into motion so/and nothing bad happens to Penelope.

But if he implemented the SA from Calypso to Odysseus, there would be a real victim and he would have to write the whole thing from a first line perspective. And that part is we’re he drew the line, when there is a real victim.

Trigger warning: topic about SA, aka Im gonna rant about the suitors plan

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So, I’m going to talk about something I actually dislike ALOT in Epic: The Musical. The whole subplot about the suitors wanting to gangrape Penelope. The more I think about it, the more I realize how unnecessary this addition to the story is.

If you removed it, it wouldn’t change the outcomes of the story at all. Odysseus would still kill them. Nothing has ever stopped him before— neither the infant, Polites’ ideology, nor the fact that he willingly led his remaining crew to certain death while always ensuring his own safety above theirs. But somehow, a group of 20-year-olds is the line he can’t cross????? Like, “Oh no, they’re just rude guests, I can’t kill them!🙁” It doesn’t make sense. Odysseus would kill them either way, they don’t need to be wannabe gangrapists to motivate him. It’s entirely in character for him to do so without additional justification.

I understand why Jorge added this to the story, is to raise the stakes. Odysseus has just defeated the personification of ruthlessness itself (Poseidon) by using a fucking jetpack and punching the god really hard. Symbolically, Odysseus has taken the title of “ruthlessness” for himself. So, what can the next threat be that’s stronger and more menacing than Poseidon? Ah yes.... it's the gangrapists /s

For me, it would be more thematically fitting with Odysseus’ ruthless nature to not have a justifiable "motivation" to kill the suitors. Imagine instead if they were portrayed as having the same youthful energy as Telemachus. Like a bunch of rude young men! And then the story could show an adult man brutally murdering a group of young people with no mercy. Then, the song ends with Odysseus seeing Penelope’s horrified face as she looks around the throne room splattered with the blood and gore of her guests. At that moment, Odysseus realizes he’s messed up, putting his biggest fear, which is Penelope rejecting him (something he expresses in Keep Your Friends Close) at risk of becoming a reality. And then, the musical end with Odysseus begging Penelope to accept him despite what he has become. Like what I said, the outcome will still end up in this moment despite with or no sexual violence. I mean, the suitors wanting to kill Telemachus is enough as a motivation. Ody don't really need that much.

I dunno , I think this would hit harder, rather than "Ahh you saved me from the rapist my husband! Thank you!~😍 " "All for you baby girl~~ 😘"

The gangrape plotline only exists to make Odysseus look good for the audience, making him into the good hero who saves the damsel with zero screentime, and reassures that the suitors are antagonists. But it does also puts Penelope in a position where she has to take Odysseus back, or else she risks being seen as “ungrateful” by the audience. I promise you, if Penelope were to reject Odysseus after he saved her from the suitors, most of the fanbase would despise her for it. Of course, that won’t happen, Penelope will accept Odysseus no matter what he does, cuz that is what her characterization is. She is Odysseus' happy ending, if she rejects him then the story wont have a happy ending.

The sexual violence just isn’t necessary. Especially when Jorge went out of his way to make the relationship between Odysseus and Calypso as vague as possible. There’s no explicit statement in the musical that Calypso assaulted Odysseus, and I’m Not Sorry For Loving You is even depicted in a sympathetic light. That was a deliberate choice. So, why remove and downplay the sexual assault from the original story with Calypso, only to add a sexual assault subplot towards Penelope that wasn’t in the original?

It’s unnecessary. Just let Odysseus commit cruel and ruthless deeds without a "good justification" or feeling bad about it afterward for once.

However, the last saga isnt out yet, so there is a possibility that Jorge have rewritten it. I do hope that he removes it, but at this moment, it looks like it will be in there. Welp, maybe he pulls the rug under my feet with a twist or some sort. We can only wait and see!

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WHY IS THE JOKE NAME WINNING?!?!

I MADE A MISTAKE WHEN INCLUDING IT!!!

I should have known you bozzos would chose the joke name…

People I need advice.

For a ship name between Polites and Polyphemus, which one do y’all think is better:

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People I need advice.

For a ship name between Polites and Polyphemus, which one do y’all think is better:

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Odysseus with Telemachus:

“I will fight and travel for 20 years, doing whatever it takes to go back to you and your mother!”

Odysseus with Ardeas, Latinus, Auson, Cassiphone, Romos, Anteias, Ardeias, Nausithous, Nausinous, Polypoetes, Euryalus, Leontophonus, and any other fan-child someone else that isn’t Homer wants to make:

The Ultimate Deadbeat (TM)

(Also, at this point like 90% of this children cannot exist at the same time so any fan-child is as canon as all of the other kids that aren’t Telemachus, that includes Poliporthes who is supposed to be Telemachus younger brother who Penelope and Odysseus had after Ody finally came back to Ithaca).

Also, supposedly Odysseus bloodline can only have one child per generation; making the existence of every other descendant aside from Telemachus imposible, but Ctimene exist so maybe they top at two or something, or that Zeus’s ‘one child per generation’ rule just applies with the male off-springs, idk this stuff is weird…

So (aftermath)

Idk guys, it seems like Ody gotta pay up 🤷‍♀️

Love your art by the way! Your Poseidon design is my favorite!

That baby's name is Peladolios now! And yes Ody is a deadbeat towards any child that isnt Telemachus.

Gonna draw somthing with these two if you dont mind! >:D

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EPIC: The Musical; List of Actors and Characters:

Odysseus = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

Zeus = Luke Holt

Eurylochus = Armando Julián

Polites = Steven Dookie

- Crew = Cast of EPIC: The Musical / EPIC Ensemble ;

Elpenor = Luke Holt

Perimides = Ayron Alexander

Soldier 1 = Troy Doherty

Soldier 2 = Earl Greshman Jr.

* Soldier 3 = Armando Julián

* Soldier 4 = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

- Winions = Cast Of EPIC: The Musical / EPIC Ensemble ;

Princess Winion = Diana Rivera-Herrans

Winion 1 = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

Athena = TE/MO / Teagan Earley

Polyphemus = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

- Cyclops = Cast of EPIC: The Musical ;

Cyclops 1 = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

Aeolus = Kira Beth Stone

Penelope = Anna Lea Casey

Telemachus = MICO / José Miguel Veloso

Poseidon = Steven Rodriguez

- Laestrygonians = Cast of EPIC: The Musical

Circe = Talya Sindel

Hermes = Troy Doherty

Anticlea = Wanda Herrans

Tiresias = Mason Olshavsky

- Sirens = Cast of EPIC: The Musical

Siren-elope = Anna Lea Casey

Scylla = KJ Burkhauser

Calypso = Barbara Wangui

Antinous = Ayron Alexander

- Suitors = Cast of Epic: The Musical ;

Eurymachus = {Unknown}

Amphinomus = {Unknown}

Melanthius = {Unknown}

Apollo = Brandon McInnis

Hephaestus = Mike Rivera

Aphrodite = Janani Krishnan-Jha

Ares = Earl Gresham Jr.

Hera = POESY / Sarah Botelho

- Ensemble = Cast of Epic: The Musical / EPIC Ensemble