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I was checking some of Jorge’s older videos on TikTok searching for the ‘Man Of The House’ videos and found a video on about Draft 1 of EPIC and, can we talk about this song list!

I knew about this version of Act 2 (mainly because the only big chances are the second half of The Ithaca Saga), but Act 1…!!!

What do you mean an earlier version of ‘Monster’ used to be on the Cyclops Saga?!?!

What do you mean ‘Ismarus’ and ‘Your Light’ made it all the way to Draft 1?!?!

Was ‘The Boy And The Boar’ a Troy Saga or Cyclops Saga song?!?!

Was ‘The Troy Saga’ 6 songs long and the Cyclops Saga 3 songs long?!?!

WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE USED TO BE A AONG CALLED ‘Failed Confession’ WHICH SEAMED TO BE ABOUT EURYLOCHUS AND ODYSSEUS?!?!?

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Can we talk about ‘Man Of The House’ and how it went from being an Eurylochus song, to an Odysseus song, to being the main chant / theme for the Suitors.

There is a whole story behind the ‘Man Of The House’ theme / melody and I really wanna know it.

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EPIC: The Musical, La Saga de Ítaca [SPOILERS]

Odiseo, cubierto de sangre: Penelope, ya no soy el hombre al que amaste, ahora soy un monstruo; he herido y matado a incontables personas y he dejado un rastro de sangre por cada lugar donde he pasó.

Penelope (La Espartana) en corto:

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EPIC: The Musical, The Ithaca Saga [SPOILERS]

Eurymachus part, but in the Manwhore AU:

Eurymachus: Let’s have open arms instead… 🙏

Odysseus: Nop… points at him 🏹

Eurymachus: … wait! 😰

Eurymachus: What about open legs? 🤔

Odysseus: 😐

Eurymachus: 😘

Odysseus: No! 😠🏹🩸

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Vacuuming old houses.

‘You are trying to slap some sense into your ex-boyfriend, while he does not let you sleep.’

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EPIC: The Musical, The Ithaca Saga [SPOILERS]

Odysseus: I’m not your lovely husband anymore, I’m a Monster now… It’s okay if you don’t love me anymore…

Penelope: Aight, move the wedding bed then…

Odysseus: *starts tweaking*

Penelope: Yep, that’s my husband…

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Actually an oficial video game is already on production. It’s been made by the same guy that made the ‘Little Wolf’ animation, and he has been working on that video game for around a year by now.

Wait is it confirmed that EPIC is going to be a stage production? :0

It is not! There is currently no confirmation on what the future of Epic will hold, but Jorge has mentioned possibilities of a stage adaption, an animated movie, or possible a video game of sorts!!

I personally would love a stage adaption, but I think whatever format Epic finds itself in will be amazing!!!

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I structured it like that because the point I was trying to make / the main point, was what was written in the post, the tags were after thoughts which I added after posting the original response or things I considered minor, therefore they were more disorganized. Basically my point was what was in the post, the rest were just lose thoughts.

And now that I’ve understand your point is about consistency I can comprehend / see it better, so thanks for that.

And don’t worry that much about me saying that about that part of the paragraph, it was more just me saying ‘this probably came out worse than it was supposed to’ but either way, thanks for the clarification and the edit on that part. 👍

But my main point still stands, I believe he felt more comfortable / capable of writing only allusions which didn’t have any actual / concrete victims. (Antinous never got to do anything and Zeus was too vague and didn’t referenced anything specific).

Trigger warning: topic about SA, aka Im gonna rant about the suitors plan

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So, I’m going to talk about something I actually dislike ALOT in Epic: The Musical. The whole subplot about the suitors wanting to gangrape Penelope. The more I think about it, the more I realize how unnecessary this addition to the story is.

If you removed it, it wouldn’t change the outcomes of the story at all. Odysseus would still kill them. Nothing has ever stopped him before— neither the infant, Polites’ ideology, nor the fact that he willingly led his remaining crew to certain death while always ensuring his own safety above theirs. But somehow, a group of 20-year-olds is the line he can’t cross????? Like, “Oh no, they’re just rude guests, I can’t kill them!🙁” It doesn’t make sense. Odysseus would kill them either way, they don’t need to be wannabe gangrapists to motivate him. It’s entirely in character for him to do so without additional justification.

I understand why Jorge added this to the story, is to raise the stakes. Odysseus has just defeated the personification of ruthlessness itself (Poseidon) by using a fucking jetpack and punching the god really hard. Symbolically, Odysseus has taken the title of “ruthlessness” for himself. So, what can the next threat be that’s stronger and more menacing than Poseidon? Ah yes.... it's the gangrapists /s

For me, it would be more thematically fitting with Odysseus’ ruthless nature to not have a justifiable "motivation" to kill the suitors. Imagine instead if they were portrayed as having the same youthful energy as Telemachus. Like a bunch of rude young men! And then the story could show an adult man brutally murdering a group of young people with no mercy. Then, the song ends with Odysseus seeing Penelope’s horrified face as she looks around the throne room splattered with the blood and gore of her guests. At that moment, Odysseus realizes he’s messed up, putting his biggest fear, which is Penelope rejecting him (something he expresses in Keep Your Friends Close) at risk of becoming a reality. And then, the musical end with Odysseus begging Penelope to accept him despite what he has become. Like what I said, the outcome will still end up in this moment despite with or no sexual violence. I mean, the suitors wanting to kill Telemachus is enough as a motivation. Ody don't really need that much.

I dunno , I think this would hit harder, rather than "Ahh you saved me from the rapist my husband! Thank you!~😍 " "All for you baby girl~~ 😘"

The gangrape plotline only exists to make Odysseus look good for the audience, making him into the good hero who saves the damsel with zero screentime, and reassures that the suitors are antagonists. But it does also puts Penelope in a position where she has to take Odysseus back, or else she risks being seen as “ungrateful” by the audience. I promise you, if Penelope were to reject Odysseus after he saved her from the suitors, most of the fanbase would despise her for it. Of course, that won’t happen, Penelope will accept Odysseus no matter what he does, cuz that is what her characterization is. She is Odysseus' happy ending, if she rejects him then the story wont have a happy ending.

The sexual violence just isn’t necessary. Especially when Jorge went out of his way to make the relationship between Odysseus and Calypso as vague as possible. There’s no explicit statement in the musical that Calypso assaulted Odysseus, and I’m Not Sorry For Loving You is even depicted in a sympathetic light. That was a deliberate choice. So, why remove and downplay the sexual assault from the original story with Calypso, only to add a sexual assault subplot towards Penelope that wasn’t in the original?

It’s unnecessary. Just let Odysseus commit cruel and ruthless deeds without a "good justification" or feeling bad about it afterward for once.

However, the last saga isnt out yet, so there is a possibility that Jorge have rewritten it. I do hope that he removes it, but at this moment, it looks like it will be in there. Welp, maybe he pulls the rug under my feet with a twist or some sort. We can only wait and see!

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I always thought he was comfortable with Zeus and Antinous because there wasn’t any victims.

Cause Zeus speech in an allegory and isn’t referring to any specific ‘encounter’ of his.

And Antinous plan fail / isn’t put into motion so/and nothing bad happens to Penelope.

But if he implemented the SA from Calypso to Odysseus, there would be a real victim and he would have to write the whole thing from a first line perspective. And that part is we’re he drew the line, when there is a real victim.

Trigger warning: topic about SA, aka Im gonna rant about the suitors plan

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So, I’m going to talk about something I actually dislike ALOT in Epic: The Musical. The whole subplot about the suitors wanting to gangrape Penelope. The more I think about it, the more I realize how unnecessary this addition to the story is.

If you removed it, it wouldn’t change the outcomes of the story at all. Odysseus would still kill them. Nothing has ever stopped him before— neither the infant, Polites’ ideology, nor the fact that he willingly led his remaining crew to certain death while always ensuring his own safety above theirs. But somehow, a group of 20-year-olds is the line he can’t cross????? Like, “Oh no, they’re just rude guests, I can’t kill them!🙁” It doesn’t make sense. Odysseus would kill them either way, they don’t need to be wannabe gangrapists to motivate him. It’s entirely in character for him to do so without additional justification.

I understand why Jorge added this to the story, is to raise the stakes. Odysseus has just defeated the personification of ruthlessness itself (Poseidon) by using a fucking jetpack and punching the god really hard. Symbolically, Odysseus has taken the title of “ruthlessness” for himself. So, what can the next threat be that’s stronger and more menacing than Poseidon? Ah yes.... it's the gangrapists /s

For me, it would be more thematically fitting with Odysseus’ ruthless nature to not have a justifiable "motivation" to kill the suitors. Imagine instead if they were portrayed as having the same youthful energy as Telemachus. Like a bunch of rude young men! And then the story could show an adult man brutally murdering a group of young people with no mercy. Then, the song ends with Odysseus seeing Penelope’s horrified face as she looks around the throne room splattered with the blood and gore of her guests. At that moment, Odysseus realizes he’s messed up, putting his biggest fear, which is Penelope rejecting him (something he expresses in Keep Your Friends Close) at risk of becoming a reality. And then, the musical end with Odysseus begging Penelope to accept him despite what he has become. Like what I said, the outcome will still end up in this moment despite with or no sexual violence. I mean, the suitors wanting to kill Telemachus is enough as a motivation. Ody don't really need that much.

I dunno , I think this would hit harder, rather than "Ahh you saved me from the rapist my husband! Thank you!~😍 " "All for you baby girl~~ 😘"

The gangrape plotline only exists to make Odysseus look good for the audience, making him into the good hero who saves the damsel with zero screentime, and reassures that the suitors are antagonists. But it does also puts Penelope in a position where she has to take Odysseus back, or else she risks being seen as “ungrateful” by the audience. I promise you, if Penelope were to reject Odysseus after he saved her from the suitors, most of the fanbase would despise her for it. Of course, that won’t happen, Penelope will accept Odysseus no matter what he does, cuz that is what her characterization is. She is Odysseus' happy ending, if she rejects him then the story wont have a happy ending.

The sexual violence just isn’t necessary. Especially when Jorge went out of his way to make the relationship between Odysseus and Calypso as vague as possible. There’s no explicit statement in the musical that Calypso assaulted Odysseus, and I’m Not Sorry For Loving You is even depicted in a sympathetic light. That was a deliberate choice. So, why remove and downplay the sexual assault from the original story with Calypso, only to add a sexual assault subplot towards Penelope that wasn’t in the original?

It’s unnecessary. Just let Odysseus commit cruel and ruthless deeds without a "good justification" or feeling bad about it afterward for once.

However, the last saga isnt out yet, so there is a possibility that Jorge have rewritten it. I do hope that he removes it, but at this moment, it looks like it will be in there. Welp, maybe he pulls the rug under my feet with a twist or some sort. We can only wait and see!

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WHY IS THE JOKE NAME WINNING?!?!

I MADE A MISTAKE WHEN INCLUDING IT!!!

I should have known you bozzos would chose the joke name…

People I need advice.

For a ship name between Polites and Polyphemus, which one do y’all think is better:

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People I need advice.

For a ship name between Polites and Polyphemus, which one do y’all think is better:

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Odysseus with Telemachus:

“I will fight and travel for 20 years, doing whatever it takes to go back to you and your mother!”

Odysseus with Ardeas, Latinus, Auson, Cassiphone, Romos, Anteias, Ardeias, Nausithous, Nausinous, Polypoetes, Euryalus, Leontophonus, and any other fan-child someone else that isn’t Homer wants to make:

The Ultimate Deadbeat (TM)

(Also, at this point like 90% of this children cannot exist at the same time so any fan-child is as canon as all of the other kids that aren’t Telemachus, that includes Poliporthes who is supposed to be Telemachus younger brother who Penelope and Odysseus had after Ody finally came back to Ithaca).

Also, supposedly Odysseus bloodline can only have one child per generation; making the existence of every other descendant aside from Telemachus imposible, but Ctimene exist so maybe they top at two or something, or that Zeus’s ‘one child per generation’ rule just applies with the male off-springs, idk this stuff is weird…

So (aftermath)

Idk guys, it seems like Ody gotta pay up 🤷‍♀️

Love your art by the way! Your Poseidon design is my favorite!

That baby's name is Peladolios now! And yes Ody is a deadbeat towards any child that isnt Telemachus.

Gonna draw somthing with these two if you dont mind! >:D

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EPIC: The Musical; List of Actors and Characters:

Odysseus = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

Zeus = Luke Holt

Eurylochus = Armando Julián

Polites = Steven Dookie

- Crew = Cast of EPIC: The Musical / EPIC Ensemble ;

Elpenor = Luke Holt

Perimides = Ayron Alexander

Soldier 1 = Troy Doherty

Soldier 2 = Earl Greshman Jr.

* Soldier 3 = Armando Julián

* Soldier 4 = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

- Winions = Cast Of EPIC: The Musical / EPIC Ensemble ;

Princess Winion = Diana Rivera-Herrans

Winion 1 = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

Athena = TE/MO / Teagan Earley

Polyphemus = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

- Cyclops = Cast of EPIC: The Musical ;

Cyclops 1 = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

Aeolus = Kira Beth Stone

Penelope = Anna Lea Casey

Telemachus = MICO / José Miguel Veloso

Poseidon = Steven Rodriguez

- Laestrygonians = Cast of EPIC: The Musical

Circe = Talya Sindel

Hermes = Troy Doherty

Anticlea = Wanda Herrans

Tiresias = Mason Olshavsky

- Sirens = Cast of EPIC: The Musical

Siren-elope = Anna Lea Casey

Scylla = KJ Burkhauser

Calypso = Barbara Wangui

Antinous = Ayron Alexander

- Suitors = Cast of Epic: The Musical ;

Eurymachus = {Unknown}

Amphinomus = {Unknown}

Melanthius = {Unknown}

Apollo = Brandon McInnis

Hephaestus = Mike Rivera

Aphrodite = Janani Krishnan-Jha

Ares = Earl Gresham Jr.

Hera = POESY / Sarah Botelho

- Ensemble = Cast of Epic: The Musical / EPIC Ensemble

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EPIC: The Musical; List of Actors and Characters:

Odysseus = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

Zeus = Luke Holt

Eurylochus = Armando Julián

Polites = Steven Dookie

- Crew = Cast of EPIC: The Musical / EPIC Ensemble ;

Elpenor = Luke Holt

Perimides = Ayron Alexander

Soldier 1 = Troy Doherty

Soldier 2 = Earl Greshman Jr.

* Soldier 3 = Armando Julián

* Soldier 4 = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

- Winions = Cast Of EPIC: The Musical / EPIC Ensemble ;

Princess Winion = Diana Rivera-Herrans

“Scary Cave” Winion = TE/MO / Teagan Earley

Winion 1 = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

Athena = TE/MO / Teagan Earley

Polyphemus = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

- Cyclops = Cast of EPIC: The Musical ;

Cyclops 1 = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

Aeolus = Kira Beth Stone

Penelope = Anna Lea Casey

Telemachus = MICO / José Miguel Veloso

Poseidon = Steven Rodriguez

- Laestrygonians = Cast of EPIC: The Musical

Circe = Talya Sindel

Hermes = Troy Doherty

Anticlea = Wanda Herrans

Tiresias = Mason Olshavsky

- Sirens = Cast of EPIC: The Musical

Siren-elope = Anna Lea Casey

Scylla = KJ Burkhauser

Calypso = Barbara Wangui

Antinous = Ayron Alexander

- Suitors = Cast of Epic: The Musical ;

Eurymachus = Dennis Díaz

Amphinomus = Tristan David Caldwell

Melanthius = Jamie Wiltshire

Apollo = Brandon McInnis

Hephaestus = Mike Rivera

Aphrodite = Janani Krishnan-Jha

Ares = Earl Gresham Jr.

Hera = POESY / Sarah Botelho

- Ensemble = Cast of Epic: The Musical / EPIC Ensemble

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EPIC: The Musical; Lista de cantantes e intérpretes

Odiseo = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

Zeus = Luke Holt

Euríloco = Armando Julián

Polites = Steven Dookie

- Tripulación = Cast of EPIC: The Musical / EPIC Ensemble

Elpenor = Luke Holt

Perimides = Ayron Alexander

Soldado 1 = Troy Doherty

Soldado 2 = Earl Greshman Jr.

* Soldado 3 = Armando Julián

* Soldado 4 = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

- Winions = Cast Of EPIC: The Musical / EPIC Ensemble;

Princesa Winion = Diana Rivera-Herrans

Winion 1 = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

Atenea = TE/MO / Teagan Earley

Polifemo = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

- Cíclopes = Cast of EPIC: The Musical ;

Cíclope 1 = Jorge Miguel Rivera-Herrans

Eolo = Kira Beth Stone

Penelope = Anna Lea Casey

Telemaco = MICO / José Miguel Veloso

Poseidón = Steven Rodriguez

- Lestrogones = Cast of EPIC: The Musical

Circe = Talya Sindel

Hermes = Troy Doherty

Anticlea = Wanda Herrans

Tiresias = Mason Olshavsky

- Sirenas = Cast Of EPIC: The Musical

Sirena-lope = Anna Lee Casey

Escila = KJ Burkhauser

Calipso = Barbara Wangui

Antinoo = Ayron Alexander

- Pretendientes = Cast of Epic: The Musical ;

Eurímaco = {Desconocido}

Anfínomo = {Desconocido}

Melanto = {Desconocido}

Apolo = Brandon McInnis

Hefesto = Mike Rivera

Afrodita = Janani Krishnan-Jha

Ares = Earl Gresham Jr.

Hera = POESY / Sarah Botelho

- Ensamble = Cast of Epic: The Musical / EPIC Ensemble

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Exposing my autism in it’s PEAK through ‘EPIC: The Musical’ (xd)

Hello EPIC community; I wanted to share something with y’all, for a while now I've been working on some projects related to EPIC, one of them is a document which has a lot, a lot of information about EPIC; and I'm going to be making several posts sharing it, a lot of that information has to do with frequently asked questions that people have regarding EPIC, therefore it's going to be a good way to answer those same questions, I'm going to put it all in #AnsweringEPIC and I'm going to make two versions of each post, one in English and one in Spanish (unless that's not necessary and it's understandable in only one language), for the Spanish version I'm going to put it in #RespondiendoEPIC

Anyway, I'm going to upload my first ‘Answering EPIC’ soon, in which I'll show you who all the EPIC voice actors are.

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Exponiendo mi autismo en su PEAK mediante ‘EPIC: The Musical’ (xd)

Buenos días comunidad de EPIC; quería comentarles algo, a hace ya un tiempo llevo trabajando en unos proyectos relacionados con EPIC, uno de ellos es un documento el cual cuenta con mucha, muchísima información sobre EPIC, y voy a estar haciendo varios post compartiéndola, mucha de esa información tiene que ver con preguntas frecuentes que la gente se hace con respecto a EPIC, por lo tanto va a ser una buena forma de responder a esas mismas, todo lo voy a poner en el #RespondiendoEPIC y voy a hacer dos versiones de cada post una en inglés y otra en español (a menos a que eso no sea necesario y sea entendible en un solo idioma), para la versión en Inglés lo voy a poner en #AnsweringEPIC

En fin, pronto voy a subir mi primer ‘Respondiendo EPIC’ donde les mostraré quienes son todos los actores de voz de EPIC.