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littlealienproducts · 8 months ago
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Women don’t owe you shit Tee by StayKindCompany
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manmadepondv · 3 months ago
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Her posting these videos recently have made me so proud to be a fan of her and hear her words and hope that she'll pave a new way for how we treat women in general but women who are famous and have a spotlight. She's always saying what needs to be said.
people who are complaining about chappell setting boundaries and asking for privacy with "she's not ready to be a pop girlie yet" make me so mad. why does she have to tolerate harrasment and stalking to be a pop girlie? why is your definition for a pop girlie of someone whose private life is all out in open for you to dissect? why should you have access to her family? why should she be someone who has to nod, smile and say yes to whatever you want fuck off maybe
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im-still-watching-anime · 4 months ago
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one piece is crazy fr like what do you mean you’re following up Everyone’s Dead™️ with Objectifying Women: The Arc™️
#bruh :/#im bout to vent cause im mad about it rn sorry#op fans there are many good elements to your series outside of this and i love u sorry im about to talk shit about it#pls abandon ship now and stop reading my tags to avoid if you want#anyway#once i put a certain amount of time into something i usually commit to finishing it#but this arc is like 👌 this close to making me abandon the whole series like wtf is this#i know i KNOW sexist shit is like practically unavoidable in anime but this is a LOT jesus christ#i want to punch a WALL#like wtf do you think women ARE#i want to attack and kill#everyone who has ever told me that naruto is worse than one piece about women owes me 500 dollars rn#like it’s BAD and i would have been mad about this either way#but i think im extra salty because ive had SO many people praise one piece women at me#and i was like doubtful cause ya know LOOK at them#but i LISTENED because everyone was so insistent the women are good and it’s not bad with that kinda thing#which was a BETRAYAL because seriously wtf is this😤#ughhhhh i CANT watch this HOW am i supposed to watch this#why do i have to watch the creepy island of women cluelessly mess with unconscious mans dick trope i canttttttttt#the answer is i DONT have to watch it and i want to STOP#how are yall watching this i still havent even forgiven thriller barks invisible man nami bath scene#like yall i canttttttttt#my ‘fiction that treats women like shit’ tolerance is too low for this#ughhh really at a loss here because so much time already committed and i was enjoying it aside from this#but i really CANNOT keep watching if the bar gets any lower and idk if it even CAN get lower#sorry sorry okay vent over this just#REALLY pissed me off#cause it kinda blindsided me i think
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sudaca-swag · 9 months ago
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"women hating men" isnt a group problem, and will at most involve one individual woman not wanting to form a relationship of some sort with him because of a personal reason (like his values and how he treats other ppl or women), but men hating women is something that gets women murdered solely because we are women, and its a social problem based on a patriarchial system what isnt clicking about them not being equiparable?
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mothmouthintimacy · 17 days ago
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The hate your sending me if proof that you never deserved the compassion women have shown you. Die your lonely deaths already.
If you’re a straight cis man unfollow me rn. I’m so dead serious. I don’t want to associate with any of you anymore.
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sambuchito · 1 year ago
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it infuriates that to this day men see being an active father as something they can opt out of if it gets too hard or are not in the right headspace, or it becomes too much bc at the end of the day they can reconnect later in life and just skip the rough years while single mothers specially, get this insane judgement from society. everything it's their fault even if their ex partner is the one doing a shit job bc after all "they chose them and should've known better” meanwhile you should put your life work and career on pause and forget asking for the bare minimum and how dare you get the legal system involved that's so messy and actually you're a heartless cunt cant you see they're trying sooooo hard lol
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toesuckler · 5 months ago
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good lord with you people. its all 'people can do whatever they want with their bodies' till someone you find annoying does it.
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ayaahh00 · 5 months ago
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I will never understand how men have zero regard, respect or an ounce of empathy towards women and they intentionally and consistently cause us so much harm. But somehow they believe they’re entitled to empathy from us and we should always be empathetic to them when they are ones harming themselves and apparently that’s our responsibility. No we don’t care about men the same way men never cared about women. Not a single man is worthy of my empathy or respect. I need men to realize no woman will have any form of empathy or sympathy for the sex that is fighting any progress women achieve, that pay men to talk shit about women. You don’t deserve sympathy or empathy. Women DONT owe men kindness or respect when they have none.
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futzfuck · 7 months ago
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Transphobes when cis women have muscles everybody!
Seriously tho its very interesting how they say they are on the side of facts but base their understanding of cisgender on the appearance that plays the most into patriarchal values and what looks the most “appealing” to them. Women cant just exist outside of the male gaze, they HAVE to appeal to it to be “real” women. Disgusting.
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calliesmemes · 8 months ago
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IN-CHARACTER QUOTES FROM DISCORD
UNHINGED SENTENCE STARTERS FEATURING THINGS SAID BY MYSELF AND MY FRIENDS WHILE WRITING AS OUR MUSES IN A CRACK-BASED NONCANON GROUP CHAT. This post is dedicated to Em, Liz, Tanny, Nellie, Mel, Ange, and everyone else in the server who recognizes these quotes — you know who you are 😈
CHANGE gendered words and in-universe phrases as needed.
SPECIFY muse for multimuses.
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“   Have you forgotten that you should not steal someone’s property? ”
“   I could slap that smug look off his face right now! ”
“   Your ears are a lie. ”
“   Woah woah that's - that's a bad word. ”
“   I don’t know if it’s allowed and quite frankly I don’t care. Fuck the rules. ”
“   Time for gremlin activities! ”
“   I hate this man. Let's prank him. ”
“   We are all going on strike today I swear ”
“   Looks like I need to invest in a kid leash. ”
“   DONT BE COWARDS!! JOIN THE STRIKE!! ”
“   I support her saying what needs to be said! I am done with the silencing of women!!!! ”
“   I like the dramatics. ”
“   I did not ask for a second opinion. ”
“   You seem to be doing a great job at being a nuisance. ”
“   NO BITING MY EMPLOYEES! ”
“   do you want me to bring you cheese? ”
“   Next move, start chewing on the door frames ”
“   I like crumbs. They are like a little midnight snack in my bed at night. ”
“   if he wants to be a worm, LET HIM BE A WORM ”
“   the rest of you suck my toe ”
“   To be fair I am simply vibing. ”
“   I am going to commit a war crime! ”
“   I am manifesting being happy. ”
“   Am I gonna talk shit WITH you guys? because im down to talk shit about pretty much anyone ”
“   Who says? We shall revolt without question. ”
“   Let's just start burning stuff. ”
“   Did you just call me... small? ”
“   Can I convert you with my kazoo propaganda? ”
“   We were radicalised by The Little Mermaid. ”
“   Penny in the swear jar, now. ”
“   My last words are, bros before hoes. ”
“   The old men are trying to be trendy. ”
“   I can do whatever I want too! ”
“   Can we go one day without an interruption from an American? ”
“   I am so sorry. He enjoys conflict. ”
“   Why is he so tall? ”
“   For legal reasons, kids, that's a joke. ”
“   Would you like to fight the adults? ”
“   You're not meant to bite people, it's frowned upon. ”
“   He’s a fun killer, don't listen to him! ”
“   Ow! Stop kicking me! ”
“   I have quite literally begged you not to kick, hit, or bite today. ”
“   BUT I thought we were buds, pals, amigos, chums, friends. ”
“   Oh shiiiii someone’s in trouble ”
“   How much caffeine have you had in the last hour? ”
“   I'll be honest they wouldn't be so bad if they didn't speak. ”
“   Is this goof meant to be dead or what? ”
“   I am a witch. ”
“   This one reeks of self confidence when he clearly doesn't think before opening his mouth. ”
“  I call bullshit on that rule! ”
“   The point is I have a cane and I’m not afraid to use it. ”
“   If you slap me, I’ll cane you. ”
“   Yippee for women. ”
“   FUCK THE PATRIARCHY ”
“   Sorry for being British. ”
“   Oi who's playing that ominous music? ”
“   I'm strong because I eat carrots. Oh wait or is that to see in the dark.... it's for something. ”
“   I will say sorry when i'm caught, don't you worry. ”
“   AND YOU CALLED ME UP AGAIN JUST TO BREAK ME LIKE A PROMISE! ”
“   ... He's done for. Broken beyond repair. Someone play Taylor Swift. ”
“   Please refrain from punching one another. ”
“   He is becoming one with the spider I believe. ”
“   If anybody asks I will say I made you, then you will not get in trouble! ”
“   Can I be a girlboss too? I am not rude to women and I do what i like ”
“   Yippee for patriotism! ”
“   … i could make you guys rat costumes ”
“   Do you think if we started stealing bread we would lose our jobs? ”
“   why do British people ”
“   … you all need therapy. ”
“   Do you ever feel if you breathe the wrong way he will bite you? ”
“   I actively avoid whatever this is. ”
“   CARRY ME. ”
“   What if, and hear me out, they both promise not to do it again? ”
“   I wanna steal all his socks. ”
“   My socks were stolen! ”
“   Hey, watch it now. Only I'm allowed to insult me. ”
“   You couldn’t whisper to save your life. It’s pitiful. ”
“   Both of you are insufferable. ”
“   The law is overrated. ”
“   I’m afraid. Miss, you aren’t my type. ”
“   No. I swear on my life. I am being a gentleman ”
“   I support women’s wrongs. ”
“   ONE FOR ALL AND ALL FOR ONE!!! ”
“   GET YOUR ASS BACK HERE RIGHT NOW ”
“   He bites? Are you .. joking? Please say you're joking. ”
“   If you like piña coladas and getting caught in the rain ifyou're not into yoga if you have half a brain if you like makin' love at midnight in the dunes on the cape then I'm the love that you've looked for write to me and escape 🎶🎶 ”
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drdemonprince · 4 days ago
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so first off, sorry bc this is super fucking heavy.
re: commonalities between cis and trans men, and that other ask. something I've had to come to terms with is how even as a teenager before I had the concept of transitioning in my head - I still got all of the societal messaging wrt misogyny, etc. I totally benefited from it, even as a woman. I put other girls down. I was the cool chick. I cashed in where I could with it. i was absolutely a chauvinist when I transitioned. I felt inhuman as a woman, but I understood that ultimately that's the way women were *supposed* to be, as much as I wished otherwise. it took a long time to unlearn that.
my personal experience makes me very uncomfortable when I see other trans men talking about gendered socialization, or how overly negative people are towards men as a class. I wonder if they have ever sat down and really reconciled with the way they have, and do, benefit from their gendered position, or if they've convinced themselves they can't be a "bad person" by virtue of their birth sex.
I can't find a nuanced way to talk about this that won't be read in bad faith as essentialist rhetoric. rape culture is the system by which consent violation is normalized, its all the music and books and movies and bad relationships I assumed were normal and romantic as a young adult. I really, really hurt people, and I did it as men are encouraged to do, and as they are rewarded for doing. I found affirmation in hurting people, and it is so fucking easy to do this without even really thinking of it because it's the entire culture you've come up in.
I'm not even talking like, obvious cases here like phyrical domestic abuse & intentional date rape. there are so many subtle boundary erosions, there's weird gray areas around drugs & alcohol, there's attitudes and expectations in established relationships, there's the potential to exploit community for personal gain. there are partners who will fear you, and freeze and fawn and will not tell you "no."
a lot of the "we need a special word for masculine transphobia" types seem to also disavow the possibility that they hold male privelege. but we need to look at that shit, sexual or otherwise. it's scary to see guys who see women talking about it and they knee-jerk shout back "I'm not a rapist" and "not all men." guarantee some of them are, and just aren't aware of it. i was.
Thank you so much anon for this really brave, candid message. I think it's something that a lot of the trans guys crowing in my inbox about how cis men "are the bad gender" need to hear. (yes, someone literally said that to me). Portraying gendered categories, especially ones based on birth assignment!, as ontologically more evil or pure than others sets people up for abuse. Separating cis men out from trans men erases the ways in which trans guys can both leverage power and the ways in which toxic masculine norms are transmitted culturally to everyone regardless of assigned sex at birth. Lots of trans guys are palpably uncomfortable with their power, and can only see that relative to cis men, they experience transphobia and misogyny in greater amounts, and so they presume they must be in a highly victimized category. But they dont ever consider that as men they can and do often wield power over women -- especially trans women -- and they've got to fucking learn how to handle that reality responsibly, which many cis men actually do know how to fucking do. Especially multiply marginalized cis men who have been preyed upon and exploited themselves.
I think it's really powerful to hear you taking ownership of the actions you've taken that have hurt others, and the allure such actions had. Very few people have the courage to look their lower moments in the face and affirm that it's actually a part of them. If we're ever going to stop abusing and talking over women we've got to own up to our shit. I've seen what can happen when men come together to be vulnerable about their struggles, own their wrongdoing, and seek to change -- back when I was working in a men's drug treatment program. We can overcome this shit and take responsibility. But a lot of the birthday boy trans guy squad is incensed by even the idea of owing anything to anyone. Like a lot of MRAs.
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b1adie · 7 months ago
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looking into it i think yingxing would have been fire hunt. he’s hunt for sure considering his main thing was hatred of abominations of abundance anyway but he was trained by huaiyan who is known as ‘the flaming heart’ on the zhuming. people and heliobi hang out together there. flint emperor is there. they use the flint emperor’s flame to forge weapons. the forge is called flamedisk forge. lots of fire stuff. so if he learned there he should be fire element. also makes sense with blade’s trailer showing that he is the single candle still lit despite the rest having gone out. would be cool if he had bluish/teal fire bc heliobi and whatnot.
i was gonna say something about how his skill could be him like heating up his sword as one would to forge it (but not THAT hot obviously) and now im thinking about how with blade’s skill he turns his sword from black to red? he is forging that thing. also crazy that that sword weighs like 4000lbs and he launched it through the air like a frisbee and dan heng got impaled with it and hardly even stumbled. how strong are these guys. OOOH or yingxing could have a FLAMETHROWERRR thing. he made awesome shit and everyone loved him ok? i know he’s never going to be playable as old man furnace master yingxing but i am just imagining if he was… hehe. arrogant craftsman. god they need to let me see/hear more of him like that. I WANT TO SEE OTHER WEAPONS HE MADE I WANT TO SEE HIM SMILE AND BE PROUD AND ANNOYING!!!!!! OLD MAN NOW!!!!!!
anyways fire/hunt yingxing. imaginary/hunt would be cute and fire/destruction makes sense too and obviously most characters playable paths dont line up with their actual beliefs but idc he seems very hunt to me. i miss him. you guys remember when he said “be careful, high elder, lest you hurt yourself with it.” that was some crazy shit. show me geriatric bladie again pleeeease. blade companion mission better be 6 hours long and at least 100k words and 2 cinematics. i’ll wait. give me his life story all 800 years of it. well i guess that’d be like
age 0-7: love my family. sure hope the beasts don’t arrive!
age 8-15: beasts ate my planet. went somewhere else they are teaching me shit here
age 16-30: i am the best at the shit i was taught. idc that everyone is rude to me about it cuz they can be rude but they can’t beat meeeee 😋
age 31-70: im still the best and now i’m hanging out with my immortal friends yay :) they’re all going to outlive me but that’s for the best i think. Right guys?
age 71-800: Ow ow ow ouch ow. Where the fuck am i btw & who the fuck am i as well. Oh well guess ill stick a branch in my hair
age 801+: kidnapped by robot and woman but it’s fine. girl keeps asking me to play games with her even though i tell her i’m busy cutting my hand off each and every day. beast upon my shoulder saying ‘Meow’ frequently. unsure of the implications of this. robot here sometimes. i like it. woman tells me to stop foaming at the mouth so i do because i respect women. except ONE OF THEM. (can’t remember which one right now). branch growing from my stomach again. not my problem. i will be taking a week long nap now.
but i want 6 hours and 100k words of it with pictures and voice acting as proof.
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pasta-in-the-pudding · 11 months ago
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Can You Do Ben Drowned,Jeff the Killer and Ticci Toby with Princess Peach!S/O,You Know She had Princess Peach's Personality (I Don't Know If You about Know about Mario or Not, Sorry)
Dont worry about asking for other fictional characters, because even if i dont know who they are i always do some light research and figure out a base!
Thank you so much for requesting!!
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Ben Drowned
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Ben loooves having more girly partners
I think he just loves women in general tbh 💀
Honestly being around you makes him more well mannered and empathetic
He knows your personality and wants to impress you
He loves to tease you as well, knowing you will get all flustered and bashful
His favorite thing to do is kiss you over and over on your face until it is bright beet red and you are shooing him away and giggling
When it comes to you being more sensitive, he totally gets it because he can get rather sensitive at times too
But then again, you basically have everyone in the manor at your feet, you could never be a bother
He will kiss away your big salty tears and tell you how gorgeous you look when being authentically expressive
Not that romantic obviously because he's a shit gremlin, but you know
"No, baby, baby, don't cry...Hey, come here and let me see that gorgeous face"
"I'm all snotty and salty" you choke out
"Exactly." He says with a kiss to your forehead and a snort at your frustrated groan
What a silly guy
Jeff The Killer
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HE LOVES GIRLY GIRLS
Hands down his favorite type of partner
LET HIM SPOIL YOU AND DOTE ON YOU AND TAKE YOU SHOPPING <333
He, like ben, loooves to tease you just to see you get all flustered
You will scold him and laugh while he just goes on and on about how lovely you are, and how lucky he is to have you
This man has literally stood on top of tables and shouted how much he loves you just to see you go red
He will always be hyping you up, whether it be a new hairstyle you're trying or a new style you're rocking, you can guarantee he will be telling you how amazing you look
He's thoroughly obsessed with you, he can't keep his hands off you!
He will always be playing with your hair, or laying on your shoulder
Knowing you can be sensitive, he takes great care to not do anything that might upset you
Him, having some really explosive anger issues, understands that sometimes it just can't be helped though
And so he will sit there, rocking you back and forth while shushing you and telling you that you're too pretty to cry
He has to admit though, he loves how puffy your lips get after crying and he will always take the chance to give you some smooches
Ticci Toby
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Honestly, I find that somedays Toby has sort of a princess peach personality too/j
Just kidding, he may be on the sensitive side, but he def is not a helpless little uwu smol boy
Anyways, he will just like to do more small things with affection, because as flustered as you get with big tokens of affection, there is also a super sweet emotion you give with smaller things
And toby likes sweet things, he doesn't like to tease
And so, he will kiss from your fingertips all the way up to your lips, making sure every kiss is given in the most loving way he can muster
By the time he reaches your lips you are giggling and awaiting the kiss
You share a sweet kiss, and you barely have time to pull away before he is chasing your lips for yet another kiss
You smile into the kiss and pull away to fluff up his hair
This is the sweet reaction he loves to get out of you
You are playing with his hair, telling him how sweet he is, and kissing his nose
He could melt right now he feels so happy
And he owes it all to you <33
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kvtnisseverdeen · 6 months ago
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I don't follow any ts drama, what happened with lady gaga?
so taylor commented this on lady gaga's tiktok that referenced her song down bad and addressed pregnancy rumors:
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now the comment itself is fine, of course women dont owe anyone an explanation regarding their bodies but this is legit just white feminism. so much has been happening regarding women (i.e. abortion rights being taken away, palestinian women suffering, butker's misogynist speech) and she has said nothing. like nothing at all. but came to gaga's defense (which is only because lady gaga mentioned her song lol lets be real)
and she's not super active on social media anymore unless its to promote her new variants or whatever. but there's been such a lack of interaction with fans it's just kinda ridiculous. but girl, use your social media for something good!!! speak up about palestine!!!!! interact with your fans who legit contributed to you being a billionare!!!
her silence on palestine is the worst thing ever and she's just adding salt to that wound with shit like this
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traceofexistence · 2 months ago
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the most unhinged thing I read this week was an american (that's how they intro themselves) saying that Faye Peraya Malisorn is straight and will end up marrying a man, and we (her fans) will end up crying, because her coming out was not up to the american standards of clearly labeling herself, her saying "I dated one guy in highschool and after that all women and my comfort is with women, and I dont know the future but right now I exclusively date women" along with her only known to the public relationship was a 5 year long one with another woman when she was a young adult and not famous, was to them an indicator that she left the door open to dating a guy, and we (the fans) shouldn't keep our hopes up that she will end up with a woman, because she only pretends to like women, and says the same bs US celebs say, and therefore she's fake and does it to gain queer fans because she plays in a GL, and when it was pointed out to them that she came out when she was still part of the miss grand and was playing hetero roles on TV and it was not convenient for her to come out, and got shit for coming out while being a beauty queen, they insisted that it was very convenient because she already had queer fans and that we (the fans) are delusional to believe her words, and that she will end up with a woman
after many back and forths, someone literally asked that homophobic idiot "who hurt you"
and they named another GL love team actress who dates a man
so I concluded, like with every other trollish shit thrown at Faye, P'wan, 9stars, blanket the series, and Yoko, all come from jealous parasocial little shits, who think these GL actresses owe them their lives of whatever, and get mad when their own delulu fantasy was not true because the majority of these actors are simply not out queers like Faye.
they trashed blank the series from the beginning, and yet it exploded in popularity because the creators made the right decisions writing wise, hired a gorgeous out and proud sapphic to play the lead role, and on top of that the actual direction and photography of the show was beautiful, and all the scenes felt realistic and not forced like their fav other GLs with their slow motions and blinding lighting.
and their jealousy became so overwhelming, they now attack our actresses (mostly Faye) and our wonderful CEO and 9stars.
it's actually ridiculous because FayeYoko continue to thrive as a loveteam and 9stars has announced that they will do a new work next year
and honestly I feel for Faye because those assholes not only attack her personally, and try to defame her, but also attack her friends and family who are not celebrities (like her salon partners)
everything Faye has shown is genuine kindness, and love and care.
anyway here's her talking to her queer friends about her 5 years long relationship with her first girlfriend
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mobiused · 8 months ago
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is it too late to ask for said actual nuanced statement about your feelings on the way loona has split up and how you feel about supporting each of the factions as a fan
No :0 Okay well this posted early accidentally come back when I've edited it with the answer you seek; edit here it is
As anybody who follows me and actually listens to what I post knows, yes, I was disappointed with the choice that the 5 members in modhaus made.
The reason is of course Jaden Jeong's involvement in the conditioned that caused the members' suffering. I honestly do not care to "respect" the members' choice when, firstly, they're public figures, which means they're in a position where they open themselves to judgement, having surpassed what it means to be a regular person into an overman; hence, idol (no this isn't lore) (yes it is) and it is parasocial to think we as fans owe them the kind of blind devout respect that is reserved for people you know and are close to. We, of course, need to respect them as people even if they are idols which leads to my next point. Secondly, they're adult women who are capable of making their own choices. It is only patronizing, infantilising and self delusionary to cheer them on for every choice they make void of criticism. If I respect them as a person, that means I care about the decisions they make enough to be able to disagree with them. The only decisions you respect unconditionally are from your God (if you have faith) or someone who has got you fucked up.
of course all of this is only my opinion to be clear ^^;
So to continue, I don't respect their decision to join modhaus. However I do accept their decision and think of them no less as people - that's very important to me for people to be aware of! That may have sounded harsh but I only have strong feelings because I care.
When it comes to modhaus vs ctd, to ME it feels like a faction of people who are willing to ignore a history of mistreatment to blindly follow their idols because that's what idolatry is versus a faction who are distrusting and reluctant to give a second chance to a man (and his company) who have done them wrong. And of course bias vs bias.
Regarding why I don't hold ctd to the same standard as modhaus; one is an established company with another group under their belt and the other is a company that formed because Hyunjin asked really niceys. The "mistakes" that modhaus are making, like having Jaden and doing NFTs and having loss of the members' autonomy to give fans control as a business model (to be frank, I don't care about missing english subtitles or those small things, its whatever) are much more severe to me than CTD fumbling the bag in ways that only affect them financially. Sorry I don't care about them picking venues that are too big for them on a concert, I don't think it's that big a deal.
In this way, I think cloo vs ourii, ctd vs modhaus, is much more than the preference people have for the idols actually in the companies but rather an ideological thing. Can you put the past (that isn't yours to begin with) behind you to stan a group with no guarantee of being completely safe and in control, or are you going to be wary of a company that has done little to demonstrate how it's protecting the girls' best interests. At least that's how it looks to me.
And it's weird how we dont see Chuu & Yves akgaes right? And I think that's because the companies are such unknown elements that it's nowhere near as polarising to support them, like there's no reason not to.
And I do think there is a lot of us vs them going on. (some) People who are artms member stans who have become full-blooded ouriis have made it their mission to find any excuse to bring CTD down - maybe out of a guilty conscience vengeance for the criticism that modhaus has been getting. And the same can definitely be said about cloos who just want more reasons to shit on modhaus even though the problems are inconsequential (see? I'm not wholly biased)
In summary I just think it's sad that it's had to have been this divisive. If the loona members weren't in the position that they were - that no company was willing to accept them bar modhaus, and the members who got out first didn't feel obligated to go to modhaus, since CTD - and other places - weren't an option, things maybe would've turned out differently. Or maybe they wouldn't have, and there will always be fanwars regardless.
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