#with kim and with marisol and yeah even with buck

[eddiedisasterdiaz]

I’m so mad about the Eddie infidelity arc. Aside from absolutely hating cheating storylines to start with, it just feels so out of character for him, even if he is a complete mess right now. Man was completely faithful to Shannon the entire two years they were separated—cheating is not something he would do.

[lenaboskow]

okay longer post because i finally have the time:

"what medical decisions has buck made" what medical decisions has eddie made on screen

"what input on his school schedule does buck have" chris has gone to the same school since s2 and buck helped find it by introducing carla

"is buck listed as an emergency contact" you answered the question yourself babe

"how often did buck see chris in s7" literally everytime chris was on screen except once it was for an arc that involved buck

"do they have a custody schedule" they aren't divorced??

"does buck pay child support" see above

"does eddie ask bucks opinion on what school chris goes to" again same school since s2 and he didn't even ask shannon so if he didn't, it's not a point

"did buck have a sit down with chris when chris was skipping" it's such a small plot i forget it exists, but are we ignoring the sit downs about running away, leading girls on, and the whole kim situation (off the top of my head)??

"does buck reasses chris' care plan" does eddie do that on screen??

"was buck asked for his input when chris left" i guess the 7x10 convo doesn't exist (again buck knew what would get through to chris if anything, it just didn't work because chris is a teenager now and wanted to get away. that convo was what chris needed it was not out of character)

"does chris have a room at buck's" does buck have a room at buck's?

"does buck know what allergies chris has" well he cooks for him so i hope so

"or what previous hospitals he had surgeries at" he's his legal guardian if he can't name them off the top of his head he has access to the info that's how that works

"when marisol took chris out was buck informed" yeah probably buck and eddie are attached at the hip be for real

"what medical costs does buck cover" money isn't everything?? again they aren't divorced (if buck tried to pay i stand by the fact that eddie wouldn't let him)

anyway keep it coming babe i could go all day

[lemotmo]

one thing i'm a bit worried about as we got into season 8 is that there are a lot of fans talking about buddie like it's an inevitability and saying things like "buddie canon confirmed" because of the bts stuff we've seen.

it feels like people are setting themselves up for being disappointed and mad if buddie doesn't end up going canon (and honestly, it's kind of their fault for reading so much into fun little posts from the cast when the only way they'd ever confirm buddie is in an episode).

i really want buddie to be canon, but I'm keeping my expectations low because I don't want to be disappointed and it feels like people should be prepared for that potential outcome.

All right Nonny, here's the thing...

I get it. I completely understand what you are saying. I have been in the 911 fandom since season 1 (not so much on Tumblr) and when season 2 happened I hopped onto the Buddie train (on Tumblr).

I have been there, season after season after season. I saw people building up a lot of hope only for that hope to end up in disappointment. And I felt some of that disappointment as well. Although I have to admit I was always on the sidelines. I never really thought it would ever go canon. I hoped for it, but I had very low expectations.

After all, both men were canonically straight. Even though we could all see the queer-coding, fundamentally nothing ever changed. Buddie got closer than ever, but they still had girlfriends and relationships.

So yeah, I didn't have high expectations and I was happy just chilling in my little Buddie corner, speculating and reading/writing fan fic. Just genuinly having a good time.

But then season 7 happened. The show got cancelled by FOX at the end of season 6 and ABC picked it up. The first thing ABC did was put Ryan and Oliver front and center, having them freely talk about Buddie. I couldn't believe my eyes when these interviews happened. Articles were written, not just by smaller click bait sites, but actual reputable magazine sites. I watched all of this with wide eyes, not sure what to think of it. 'Would they? Could they?'

Then another bomb went off when 7x04 happened and Buck came out as bisexual. I was floored. For the first time in 6 seasons, I started entertaining the idea that the show might just go there. If they made Buck bisexual, surely they wouldn't ignore the highly popular Buddie aspect of it? Would they?

Let's not get into the whole Tommy debacle that happened afterwards. Because in the end it's not important for this answer. Tommy has been set up as a narrative device to help Buck out of the closet. He isn't even a factor in the overspanning Buddie arc we've seen progressing over 6 seasons.

I also want to add that it's crazy that we know for sure that it was actually supposed to be Eddie who would come out of the closet (first).

The end of season 7 gave us an Eddie who told Kim that he is broken and he can't be fixed. Chris left and now he's all alone. No more Chris, Marisol or any other distractions. He is on his own now. Lots of time to reflect upon his life and relationships. His arc will be built around his emotional journey and his personal growth. And we all know who will be by his side for all of it. It's a given at this point.

Then we have Ryan doing these interviews, saying things like:

“The character has been established now, we kind of know what to expect with the vibe. Now it’s just kind of falling back in old rhythm. The only thing different now is where the character’s head is at and where he is going.”

Next to that we have new looks for both Ryan and Oliver. A new beginning perhaps? That moustache has some clear queer symbolism attached to it as well. Something we cannot ignore, because the show knows that its fans aren't stupid and they also know that they have a solid queer fanbase.

And yes, Ryan and Oliver seem happy and relaxed on set these days, while especially Oliver didn't seem all that happy at the end of season 7. In fact, Oliver has completely ignored the Tommy aspect of his new 'canon' relationship. He speaks more about Buck's bi journey and ignores the Tommy factor as much as possible.

So Nonny, if you read all of the above information (and I'm sure I forgot a bunch of stuff) how can you not become more hopeful and a lot more positive that there is a high chance of Buddie happening in season 8?

I'm all for protecting yourself from possible disappointment, but when you are constantly wrapping yourself into a protective cocoon so you don't get hurt in the process, you might just miss the best (and most fun) part of being a shipper: the experience of your slow-burn ship finally becoming canon.

I admit it! I too strongly believe Buddie might just happen in season 8. I'm almost completely sure.

And yes, if Buddie doesn't happen, there will be disappointment and there will be people who choose to express that disappointment through anger. But honestly?

They would kinda have a point.

Because no, it wouldn't be the fans' own fault for getting their hopes up if Buddie doesn't happen. During previous seasons I would have said 'yes', but not now. Not anymore. Now I would definitely say that they are right. It's the show itself that has gotten our hopes up by the consistent Buddie promo, the many Buddie scenes, the whole Eddie being in every part of the BT arc thing, the bts and all the other things they've thrown at us. They know exactly what they are doing. They are hyping Buddie up to the max.

I don't actually believe there will be disappointment though. This is truly the first season where I have been pretty confident that Buddie is in the works. I've never had that feeling before and I've been here forever.

Now that being said, complete certainty doesn't exist for a shipper. if, for some reason, Buddie doesn't happen? There will be disappointment (for me as well) and anger (for me not so much), but in the end that emotion will fade and Buddie will become just another great fandom experience with a bad ending. We've all been there before. It happens.

That is just the nature of being in fandom: 'You win some, you lose some.'

However... this time? With Buddie?

I really think we're about to win big. Sorry Nonny!

¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

[glorious-spoon]

When Eddie said it's not like he's having an affair and then Buck and him clarified that he meant he didn't have sex with Kim I was like - hey, maybe think about this more. How he thinks this is the only way a relationship gets defined or what an affair means? Because the one thing Shannon pointed out in S2 is that they don't talk and keep using sex as a way out. And we've seen this season that Eddie's one major problem in his relationship with Marisol was that he wasn't able to have sex with her because of her nunnery past. There's something here and something about him having an idea of what a relationship means. Interesting that he doesn't see everyone else's relationships this way but his own have this pattern.

YEAH, i've been thinking about this a lot! and it's not necessarily that he didn't like or want sex with shannon or with marisol, but that talking about their problems (in shannon's case) or actually getting to know each other and risking that they weren't compatible and the relationship was doomed (in marisol's case) were terrifying, and sex is like - it feels intimate! it feels like a genuine connection! you get to make each other feel good and you don't have to do the hard scary emotionally vulnerable part because you're all giggly and cuddly and full of endorphins, and that's good enough, right???

like, in the case of kim, i do think he's engaging in some deliberate self-deception about what he's actually doing. i think he knows that kim thinks they're dating, and that marisol would not be okay with what he's doing if she found out; there is, after all, a reason he's gone so out of his way to keep both relationships a secret from the respective other woman. but he's put a mental line in the sand where if he doesn't cross it, it doesn't actually count as cheating, even though i suspect he knows deep down that's what it is.

[dangerpronebuddie]

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Still working on my BTHB prompt! *Insert Kronk gif: oh yeah. It's all coming together.

I am about halfway through it right now, I just need Eddie to wake up. In the meantime, have some of Buck and Tommy's argument. (Again, if you'd rather not be tagged, I understand and I will make sure to alter the list for this fic 🩷):

Buck turns to face Tommy, who's staring wide eyed at the door. "What was that?" Tommy raises his eyebrows. "What was what?" "You!" Buck cries. "You're supposed to have my back, and you didn't. You know the situation well enough to understand why I-" "I don't know the situation," Tommy interjects, shrugging helplessly. "Yeah, the kid really likes you, but he's not yours." "He is," Buck says in a low voice. "Christopher is mine. In every way that matters. I didn't tell you about the will, that's on me, but you know enough. And yet you stepped in like you knew better." "Evan, he's only yours if Eddie dies," Tommy says bluntly. Buck shakes his head. For years he believed that. Never let himself think of that paper as anything beyond a fail-safe. But he knows now. He knows it is so much more than that. Eddie asked Buck to talk Christopher through dating and abandonment. Christopher came to Buck when he voiced concern about Eddie and Marisol (and Kim). So many instances, over so many years, have built the relationship he has with Christopher. It's the same relationship Buck has with Bobby. Just as paternal and loving. Dad, even if he's not a donor. "I've been a part of Christopher's life since I met him," Buck says. "Well before a legal document was even thought of." "I'm not saying you aren't important to him, kid," Tommy says, holding his hands up in surrender. "I just think you might be overstepping." "First I'm not enough, now I'm too much," Buck mutters to himself, looking at his shoes. "That's not what I meant," Tommy huffs. "Wasn't it?" Buck scoffs. "You left me on the sidewalk on our first date because you decided I wasn't ready, that I- I should be completely comfortable with myself days after you kissed me. Now you think I'm overstepping in a life I've been living for years." "You weren't ready," Tommy shrugs, like he still has some high ground. "That's not for you to decide," Buck counters, his voice rising in his frustration.

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[sunflowerdigs]

It's important to remember that no matter what Eddie says about Christopher, Kim is only here for Eddie. He can't introduce her to Christopher and create anything long term with her because that would be sick. So, Eddie's pursuit of Kim is fundamentally about Eddie. It's about Eddie being able to live inside this fantasy where the parts of his relationship with Shannon that didn't work don't exist. But as the flashback showed us, Eddie wasn't capable of being with just Shannon without Christopher being the glue binding them together. So the absence of Christopher in this relationship with Kim is likely what is going to finally open his eyes to the fact that his relationship with Shannon wasn't that great.

I think that Eddie's real and thriving connection to Buck has made it more and more obvious to him (subconsciously) with each passing gf that he can't make connections with these women work. So, he has inserted Christopher into those relationships in order to give them a reason to work (I think Eddie truly believes that he wants Chris to have another mother figure). And the result has been an exacerbation of Christopher's abandonment issues. Eddie encourages him to get close to these women (even after admitting that he himself isn't as close to them as he should be, in Marisol's case, which was progress) and ultimately it's not enough, the relationship ends, and Chris is abandoned. Meanwhile, who is actually playing the part a wife would play in Eddie's life? Yeah, Buck. That's why he's Christopher's other guardian in the will.

Kim may be the cold bucket of water to Eddie's head because Eddie can't insert Christopher into the relationship. It's just going to be the two of them together. And after they fuck - what's going to be there?

It's confusing because this is about grief but it's also about Eddie's sexuality. And it's about Buck, which is why the show has inserted Buck into the center of the conflict, because Buck is the one person that Eddie has managed to integrate into his life with Christopher and also care about deeply himself.

I think the resolution to this story will be Christopher's grandparents taking him to Texas with them so that Eddie can figure out what he wants when Christopher isn't there to use as a buffer. What may happen is his parents may threaten to have Christopher removed because they feel Eddie is unfit, in which case, Buck becomes the legal guardian. And so, if they don't want to take it to court and have it on record that Eddie lost custody, Buck becomes the one who has to make the call about where Christopher ends up. And that could be the thing that rips him and Eddie apart. Or it could bring them closer together if Buck can talk some sense into Eddie and make him realize just how much his issues are hurting Christopher.

(And, honestly, I think they'll go that route because, ultimately, like Ryan said, Eddie knows that he can't introduce Kim to Christopher because the relationship is a delusion. Eddie isn't a bad parent and he loves Christopher very much, he's just all tangled up in his issues).

(Or, Buck will conspire with Eddie's parents behind his back to have his kid taken away and Eddie will, rightfully, be furious with him even once he understands it's the right call).

That would explain Ryan calling next season the "new phase" of Eddie's life. And that would explain why Gavin was promoted to regular, so that they knew they'd have him for this arc.

The cheating is the wildest part, but I think people are getting so caught up in being angry at Eddie over that and wanting to see him punished, that they're forgetting that this arc isn't about punishment, it's about healing and ultimately giving both Christopher and Eddie the tools to live their best lives. So, I don't think Eddie will end the season alone - I think he and Buck will make amends and Buck will spend the hiatus by his side, helping him clean up the mess. Just like Eddie helped Buck clean up his mess back in s3.

[matan4il]

911 ep 709 first watch reactions

The way this ep starts with giving us a clear shot focused on the front, solely on Buck sitting between the man he's dating and the man he's been married to for the past six years, and only on them. XD I'm here for it.

Oh, Bobby. :( Feeling unworthy of his medal, and remembering his dad, and how everything went wrong after he got it. </3

Aaaah. Man, IDK. The openly and explicitly homophobic and racist captain cartoon just feels like an easy target now. Prejudice doesn't seem like it mostly gets expressed that way anymore, and when we only teach people to reject that kind, we not only fail to teach them to recognize subtler forms, we may be misleading them to think those more nuanced ones don't count.

Love Athena trying to "save" Bobby by contacting Amir. I'm always a sucker for a couple where they both save each other.

I enjoyed the little play with "Mother Hen," and I know it's not specifically about Buddie, but it is damn funny that when she's told she's raising more kids, they're the ones the camera focuses on. lol Raising a kid together for 6 years, still a couple of morons in desperate need of parenting from their colleagues. Even when Bobby's "wordless goodbye" moment with Buck is letting him cook for the 118, Eddie's by his side and they're doing it together. I swear, 911 said, "Take note, this is what a marriage looks like" and then just kept hammering the point for 6 seasons now.

Okay, I am pretty sure that, while Bobby's acceptance of Buck's first relationship with a guy, is really lovely, "Because we haven't had to talk about it" is not an actual good criterion for discerning whether someone is good for their partner or not. People whose spouses are abusive don't talk about it, either. :/ I am NOT saying that's Buck and Tommy, because it obviously isn't, it just feels like a line thrown in there to be cutesy, but which isn't actually helpful to people, who might take it too seriously.

I AM GONNA LOL FOREVER. So, just like Buck's bi awakening was all about Eddie, now Eddie's messed up whatever he has with Kim is gonna involve Buck, too? Gotcha. Battlefield boyfriends being off-battlefield boyfriends once more.

So... Buck was going to see Tommy, in an ep where TPTB have already paid for Lou in the role, so might as well use him as much as possible, but instead a non-emergency run in with Eddie's current whatever-Kim-is makes Buck ditch Tommy, and run straight over to Eddie's to help him? Look, I'm obviously a One True Pairing kind of shipper, so Buddie are it for me, as much as I can enjoy and see the value of Buck and Tommy as a stepping stone, and nothing will make me stop shipping Buddie (especially not after the tsunami eps), but 911 is feeding me way too well with how it frames these scenes and stories, I don't think the show's trying to get me to stop.

Man, if anyone's ever had a doubt that Eddie is the world champion at denial, this kitchen scene will def cure that.

"I'm worried about you." "Yeah, I'm worried about me, too." And then Buck, the one person who can ALWAYS penetrate through Eddie's denial wall, no matter how thick it is.

Eh, IDK how much the part where they try to re-define Shannon as the love of Eddie's life works, or how much it just serves to show he's still in denial, just a different kind than before, when Buck got through to him that he can't go on like this with Kim. For one thing, in his little retelling of their dysfunctional r/s, Eddie doesn't mention that Shannon was leaving him a second time, even before she died. Literal denial and repression.

So I'm gonna choose to believe Hen and Karen will get Mara back, because I can't deal with that particular storyline otherwise.

Kim's reaction is too deranged for me. Who does something like that, even if we assume the kindest of intentions? And then Marisol and Christopher's timing... I didn't sign on to watch a soap opera, but I guess I'm getting one free of charge?

"Now you gotta save yourself." If that ain't a painful summary of what growing up means, IDK what is. the conversation with Bobby's dad in his sleep was a good, painful scene, built right, leading to him hopefully getting his closure through saving his wife from a fire, and leaving us with just the right amount of suspension for next week and the season finale, where we'll see if he can let go of his past mistakes without a doppelganger dressing up like his dead wife...

Thank you for reading! If you’re looking for more, you can find my s7 reactions tag here, and more of my Buddie meta and content in my pinned post. xoxox

[apassingbird]

YEAH yeah exactly. he's emotionally checked out, but that's clearly been the case for pretty much the entire relationship (do they ever talk? do they do ANYTHING together other than fuck? because everything pretty much immediately disintegrated when that stopped being an option). but he's still chosen to stay in the relationship and try to force it to work. and he did that specifically after buck came out to him (after he found out that buck and tommy weren't 'single and hanging out with the boys', that they were on a DATE, the framing of that is still so wild to me).

so like, the cheating isn't really coming out of nowhere, and also isn't really about marisol because NOTHING about this relationship has actually been about marisol as a person. it's about eddie and his self-destructive impulse to ignore what he wants and retreat into something 'safe' (and what could be safer that being in love with a dead woman? after all, if she's gone, he doesn't have to contend with all the ways their marriage didn't work, or why that was)

yep this is exactly it! the way we don't know anything about marisol because eddie never talks about her (aside from her being christopher's baby sitter) because he hasn't really made any effort whatsoever to actually genuinely getting to know her. i think he wanted to want to date her at the beginning because he still feels like that's the right thing to do, you know. but it's so incredibly clear that it's not what he wants, at all. and yet he doubles down on it after buck comes out, but the moment he sees kim he checks out for good. because even though he told buck that nothing had changed between them it so very clearly did (he still loves and supports him and want nothing but the best for him, but he also loves him and he feels as if he just lost him too) and eddie deals with it by firmly putting it in that box and locking it away and, like you said, returning to something that's safe and familiar. something that can't hurt him because it's not even there anymore. he's chasing a past he only remembers as good and a future he's made up in his head and it will, eventually, come right back and bite him in the ass. i think he knows that too, but i also think that right now, he couldn't care less.

[rosstrytobe]

HOW I THINK THIS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP TOWARDS EDDIE DIAZ GAY ARC PT. 1

You know that you love a character so much that you have all the explanations of why he's acting the way is doing now

Yes the cheating part sucks but if we see trough it

Eddie's not cheating Marisol with another woman

He's cheating with a woman he remembers his ex dead wife

And that's just realive how much he still proccessing Shanon death and he didn’t do it in the right way at first when he was supposed to talk about it with Frank in s3

However if we saw why he didn’t that's just a scene it comes in my mind and how it's important understand that maybe Eddie is just using a doppleganger of his wife as an exuse to something he faced at a special bachelor party 👀👀

Let's go first:

1)In s3 Bobby said to Eddie to talk about his feelings for grieving Shanon because Eddie was self distructing himself with the illegal fights -> Eddie talks about it with Frank but then he said to Buck that therapy wasn’t for him and then this scene happens:

And what Eddie said after?

Yeah. He didn’t need anymore the therapy because he was happy with the people he have now in that moment (his son and Buck)

2) In this season we saw Eddie talking with Bobby again about the Nun thing and Eddie is afraid and confused about why he can't commit to any of his past relantionships with women and why now he's having Chatolic Guilt regards Marisol -> Bobby said to him that Eddie doesn’t have a problem of commit to certain things (👀👀) and one of them is Shanon but Eddie always said that he married her just because of Christopher and he had some kind of duty towards her

He doesn’t regret being married to her but he never said that he actually was in love with her and that's a thing that even Michael felt when he married with Athena. Michael never regreted to marry her and have his children with Athena but we know from s1 that he's a gay man

But maybe just because Eddie now is scared that he will never commit to a woman. As with Marisol. He's just pretend that in this doppleganger he can find what he's missing as a female role for Christopher but as Bobby said to him he already commit in other things in his life like:

(😫😫😫😫)

3) All the dialogue with Marisol last episode i think he meant something. She asked him if Eddie was okay and even though Eddie said that he's fine. Marisol asked him again if it was a truth or a lie. And even though Eddie said it was truth we know he's not okay. He's again romanticed his marriage with Marisol out of blue because he just saw her in another woman and his false memories of her are just coming through his mind because he wants to get attached to that feeling. Because in his mind he was happy with Shanon and his marriage with her was perfect. Like the scene with Marisol that just show how him, Christopher and Marisol looked as the perfect ready made family. Like with someone else:

But we know he had panics attacks just of the thought of him, Ana and Christopher being a family and maybe this time is trying to not have them since he learned from therapy how to control them. But why he's trying to pretend to be in a perfect relantionship?

If we thinks about it Eddie seems more like he's living in his own telenovela for how the scenes went with Kim and Shanon but that's a way to not copy with something that it's happening in reality like the fact that he didn’t want Marisol to live with him anymore and he was having sexual problems with her after he figure it out she was a nun. Then he talked about it with Buck and he said to him that he wanted to break up with her but then what made him change his mind?

Yep. It’s just took Buck coming out to him to made him rethink about his relantionship with Marisol and made her moving out. Eddie of course supports him. Buck is his best friend. But support someone and see with your eyes that your bestfriend is indeed bisexual is something else. Because Eddie loves Buck as Ryan said he loves him to the core. But see Buck with Tommy just makes him a little pissed off

You can see it from how just an hug made him bite his lips with an angry mood and also what he said after just proves how much he's jealous of them. Then he spent all night making killing eye to Tommy as he did something wrong and we saw even Eddie watching Tommy yawing as if he's interest in what Tommy is doing. Later everyone leaves incluse Tommy, Buck and Eddie spent all night togheter being closer than ever. And we saw how much they were connecting their neurons togheter and in someway i think Eddie got that with no one he had ever have this much of connection. And that's why i think he's scared to analyze that emotion and he wants to hide it because he doesn’t get why he's jealous of Tommy and why he knows that nobody could ever be Buck

[titanlord231]

“Hey Buck, there is something I gotta talk to you about.” Eddie said

Buck turned around from what he was cooking to look at Eddie sitting at the counter. It had been another night of hanging out between the two of them at Buck’s loft. The house had been too quiet for Eddie without Chris so Eddie had been spending lots of time with Tommy and Buck just to get out of the house, and tonight was no different.

“Yeah man, whatever it is tell me.” Buck replied.

“Hanging out with you and Tommy these last few months has been really fun, but it’s made me start thinking about somethings I hadn’t thought of before.”

“Like what?”

“Well it’s just, you and Tommy being so happy together made me realize I want that. I think I’ve been spending so long looking for someone to replace Shannon that I wasn’t actually looking for someone who made me happy. Ana, Marisol, and especially Kim we’re all people I thought I’d be able to make a picture perfect life with, but I’m realizing that it never actually made me happy.”

“Hey man, it’s okay. I know things are rough right now with Chris gone and everything but you’ll figure it out. I’ll even take you out to a bar or something and help wingman an amazing lady for you.”

“The thing is Buck, is that I don’t think I’m looking for a lady.”

“Oh, I get it, after everything that happened with Marisol and Kim it’s fine if you need a break from women for a while.”

“No Buck, it’s not that I am not ready to get back out there, it’s that I don’t wanna get back out there with a woman.”

“Wait I’m confused, what do you mean?”

“I mean, I want to get out there, but I don’t think I’m looking for a woman. I think I’m looking for a guy.”

“Wait! You mean, like you wanna date a guy! Are you coming out to me right now?”

“Yes Buck, I am. I think I wanna find a guy to-“ Eddie says, interrupted as Buck launches himself around the counter to give Eddie a massive bear hug.

“Thank you for telling me this Eddie, I know how hard it can be. I’m so proud of you for sharing this. I’m gonna wingman for you so hard. There is this gay bar that me and Tommy like to go to, and I’m taking you, and we aren’t leaving til we have found you someone!”

“Thanks Buck, but could you lighten up on the hug you are crushing me. And I think the sauce is starting to burn.”

“Shit not again!” Buck says running back around the counter.

Eddie laughed. Buck was a good friend, and even though he knew it was probably gonna be awkward he was excited for Buck’s help at potentially finding him a date.

[whollyjoly]

hey so you know how devin kelley said she and oliver have a scene as kim and buck this season??

...yeah i DEFINITELY think we're going to get an uno reverse of the crashed date from 7x05, where buck and tommy are going to be out and about and run into eddie and kim, which leads to some...Awkward Conversations 👀👀

(bonus points if we see eddie ask buck to babysit chris cause he's going on a date with marisol, only for buck to say no caues he has his own plans, and then they run into eddie with kim. the DRAMA)

((double bonus points if we get an 📢📢 EDDIE 📢📢 thats even louder than the buck heard round the world))

y'all this is gonna be MESSY and i cannot WAIT

[lemotmo]

hi i was wondering if you and ali could answer this question for me. you've said that S7 made you very very sure that Buddie is happening. May I ask what moment in S7 cemented it for you? For me it was when Eddie said the biggest chekovs gun in TV History "this changes nothing between us" because we all know in any TV show known to man that when someone says that line it's the biggest lie in the world and that everything is going to change between them.

Well...

For me it's not really 'a moment' Nonny. It's more like a series of 'moments' that made me sit up and pay attention.

It started in the first episode when Buck told Eddie he broke up with Nathalia. That scene in the locker room was very interesting. Then Eddie asked Buck to talk to Chris for having multiple girlfriends. It clearly shows the trust he has in him and also how he sees him as a co-parent.

Then, in 7x04 everything revolved around Eddie. Yes, Tommy kissed Buck at the end, but even he wasn't sure if Buck really wanted his attention or Eddie's attention.

Then Buck and Tommy go out on a date and who shows up? Eddie with his then girlfriend Marisol. Then, once again, Buck makes everything about Eddie when he talks to Maddie how he's lying to Eddie. Maddie has obviously clocked him by now. She knows very well that Buck has some mixed emotions about Eddie.

And that Buddie coming out scene? Neither of them seemed overly happy with the other man's answers, even if -on the surface- they were the right answers at the right time. I fully agree with you Nonny, that 'This changes nothing between us' was very loaded and basically said: YES! This changes everything!

Then we had the bachelor party scenes where Eddie is the only one truly showing up for Buck. This episode had the wildest Buddie scenes ever. And when Tommy finally shows up? They have Buck kiss Tommy where no one can see them. The soot on his face is how Buck comes out. There is no big kiss or a declaration in front of the family, just some soot. Once again Tommy isn't included in Buck's story. He is just there as a means to an end so that Buck can come out of the closet.

There is that sea monkey/Catholic guilt 'talk' between Buck and Eddie as well. I literally sat up when Eddie started talking about his Catholic guilt. This is something he has never talked about before, but the show obviously wanted to introduce it for his character. They used Marisol as a plot device to awaken something in Eddie that wasn't there before. To what purpose? We'll see that in season 8.

Then there was the scene in Eddie's kitchen after Buck bumped into Kim. He was supposed to meet up with Tommy, but instead he goes to Eddie and they have a soft and vulnerable conversation. Buck admits that he's worried about Eddie.

In the last episode Eddie confides in Buck and asks him to talk to Chris again, just like in the beginning of the season. Buck is there, every single step of the way, supporting Eddie where he can. That's love.

So yeah, all of the above in combination with interviews, social media posts, promo... is what finally made me believe that they might actually go the Buddie-route.

I'm even more certain about it today than I was at the end of season 7. Literally everything is pointing in the direction of queer Eddie and eventual Buddie. I don't see what else all this could be about. So yeah, I'm 99% there already. For that last percent I'll have to wait for season 8 to air. 🤞🤞🤞

I'll leave this in the Ali's corner tag to see if Ali feels up to answering this question as well. But please keep in mind that she already has her own ask box to answer and trust me, it keeps her very busy. 😋 I'll also leave this in the Ali's nonnies tag. Maybe she has already answered a question in the same vein.

[eddiegettingshot]

honestly hoping and praying seeing nobody say anything good about the vertigo shit humbles tim to a point of reason

like 911 has always had goofy moments but they were at least grounded in reality? like streetfighting is actually a real thing. hell i actually know a few people who were struck by lightning and one of them survived and fully recovered! seeing a resemblance to someone you know in a stranger isnt far fetched to me but everything beyond the initial recognition and the actual meeting is just dumb

yeah like obviously lone star is crazy this show is crazy whatever but i think it’s the fact that the goofiness led into unparalleled misery i just know they’re never going to touch that kills it for me.

because i’m still stuck on this like … imagine if they had met kim on a call, so EVERYONE was there and could be like wtf eddie she looks like shannon, eddie even goes back to talk to her once but in that meeting realizes she’s nothing like shannon (maybe he even calls her shannon like a dosed callback to bobby calling taylor brook lol and she’s like uhhhhh), but now he’s triggered and having flashbacks/nightmares about life with shannon, he dumps marisol out of the blue and maybe she says something that makes him Think/indicates him being stuck on shannon, goes insane at the bachelor party probably, he tells buck about it later and buck, thinking back to s5 and even ep 1, is like eddie when was the last time you talked to someone? and eddie’s like i thought i was fine i really did. eddie’s not sleeping and maybe isn’t in a good place and he and chris get into a big fight about because of it (about shannon perhaps!) and he’s like ok i need to take care of this. ends up in some kind of bereavement counseling group where he meets amir and they get to talking because eddie connects with the stuff amir says. this is how amir meets bobby again and we get the eddie-bobby-amir lost in the desert plot (bc amir and eddie go to volunteer together) (minus the cartel) where eddie’s hallucinating shannon etc. and bobby and amir are reckoning with the apartment fire and so on. the finale would be About bobby (who perhaps had a heart attack due to idk dehydration and such) and amir. chris still hasn’t totally forgiven eddie by the end and he’s going away for the summer but he will be back he just needs some space. bobby’s still in a coma going into s8. no athena abuse of power, no cartel, no gerrard, no cruel eddie plot, no lazy cheating, no retraumatizing amir over and over. etc. but tim can have all kinds of shit w devin kelley 🤷🏾‍♀️

[sortasirius]

"Ashes, Ashes" and Eddie Diaz's Grief

This entire post is just about Eddie, literally him and him alone lol

Good lord what a stressful fucking episode.

Just to start off, after Buck meets KIM WHEN SHE JUST SWAGS ON IN TO THE FIREHOUSE WITH HER BROWNIES, the way Eddie opens the back door like he's not sure who would be there, only for him to scoff when Buck asks if he can come in...it's giving "this is Eddie's house, I'm not really a guest."

"Eddie...who's Kim?"

And Eddie immediately turning away from him and picking up dishes to put in the sink...yeah my man how's that denial taste?

"Marisol's my girlfriend. Kim's just...a friend."

"Just a friend who's a...dead ringer for your late wife?"

I don't think there's anyone else in the world who could talk like this to Eddie. I genuinely think he would turn tail and run if it was anyone else.

I noticed when Eddie says that "nothing's going on" he has an eerily similar expression on his face when Ana showed up to the firehouse. And Buck clocked him then, too.

"It's not even what I want from her."

"Okay. So what do you want?"

"I...don't know."

And that's it. That's Eddie's narrative arc. He doesn't want Shannon. He thinks he does, he's so lost in this fantasy of having her back, of doing things "right this time" that he's convinced himself that, if he could just have her alive again, everything would be perfect. He doesn't want Marisol, we know that, but he doesn't want Kim either. And if I'm honest, he wouldn't want Shannon if he had her back.

What does Eddie want? What does he really want? It's a question none of us can answer. In fact, I don't even think Eddie can answer it right now.

"Does this poor woman know that she is a carbon copy of your dead wife?"

Absolutely brutal line. Wake his ass up, Buck!!!!

"I'm worried about you."

"Yeah. I'm worried about me too."

I AM ALSO VERY WORRIED ABOUT YOU EDDIE!!!

Insane that after one (1) conversation with Buck, Eddie decides to come clean to Kim. The power that he holds.

"Have you been spending time with me? Or with her?"

What a fucking gut punch of a line.

"I didn't realize how much I...missed her. Then I saw you."

This is the thing!!! It's almost like he feels like seeing Kim somehow gives him a second chance with Shannon. If he could just have Shannon back, if he could just do it all over again, he would do it right. They would finally have that happy, perfect relationship that he remembers, he would finally be the best husband that he could be, Chris would finally be happy.

He doesn't seem to get that Chris is already happy. OF COURSE he misses his mom, he always will, and Eddie will always miss Shannon, but dragging in this person that just happens to look like her to cling to this semblance of a perfect marriage that never even existed in the first place? Yikes, my guy.

"I guess she was the love of your life."

"I think she was. Yeah. Though I'm not sure I knew at the time."

Because what he remembers isn't real!!! He's whitewashed this relationship to the point that it's not recognizable. She's the love of his life...that he ran away from before she even gave birth to enlist in the army. The love of his life that he reenlisted to stay away from. The love of his life that he fought with constantly. The love of his life that left him a few months after he was discharged. The love of his life that asked him for a divorce days before she died.

I'm not saying relationships are all sunshine and rainbows, but we saw next to none of that with Shannon and Eddie. The sex was good, they both loved Chris, they cared for each other deeply...but love of his life?

I don't even know that he would be able to identify what that even means for him.

I think his grief has taken so much from him, he can vocalize how much time they spent apart in their marriage, how so much of it didn't work, but it's like it doesn't get all the way through to him. Kim is right when she says they have unfinished business, because that's what happens when you lose someone unexpectedly like that. It's clear Eddie has never gotten over it, maybe never even tried to process it, but seeing Kim brought it all back to the surface, similar to how realizing that all of the people in his unit were dead brought up his untreated PTSD.

He so carefully bottles everything up until it explodes, and this is no different, we're just seeing the explosion and the fallout of something he has tried to tamp down for five years.

Look y'all, I felt as bad for Kim as anybody could, she did not deserve to be used as a pawn in Eddie's strange journey with grief, but for her to show up with those fuck ass bangs and basically cosplay as Shannon to try and get Eddie to open but about his grief???? WHAT ARE WE DOING????

I think ultimately, this comes down to the fact that Kim is trying, in a very weird, very misguided way, to do a good thing. Eddie said he never got closure, and was trying to use her for that closure, so she thought that, if she just dressed up like Shannon, she could help him move on from her.

But for her, this is an acting job. For Eddie (and for Chris), the loss of Shannon is very, very real.

"Who's Kim?" WAS FUCKING CRAZY. ABSOLUTE FREAK ENERGY.

"I know I wasn't a perfect husband, I did my fair share of running too."

Babe...you ran the whole ENTIRE time...

"I came back because I couldn't imagine a life without...without you."

I'm so fascinated by this delivery, because is he looking at Kim and having a hard time saying that? Or is he looking at SHANNON and having a hard time saying that?

"And you know what? I still can't. But I'm still living it. But it's broken. I'm broken. And I can't fix it. This is the life I have now. This is the life from now on. The life...without you. You were supposed to be here with me, baby. And now you're not. And you never will be."

First of all...Ryan Guzman...actor that you are.

This monologue is so heartbreaking because that grief is still such a raw nerve. He's stuck in that moment in the back of the ambulance. wishing that he had done things differently.

But the thing is...Kim is talking to him as a person that she doesn't know, as a person who never existed.

Eddie asks why he never got a letter, but he doesn't mention that she wanted a divorce. He can mention all the times he left her, or she left him, or even the fights they had, but he can't seem to ever remember, ever think about that. His speech seems doubled sided. It's not just that she left them when she died...it's that she was going to leave him before, WHEN SHE WAS ALIVE. It's that she didn't want to make things work and he never got to ask her why.

And then...the other shoe.

"Mom?"

I think we all knew Chris would find out one way or another, and while I hope that conversation with "Shannon" was healing for Eddie, it is going to set Chris back years. Because he doesn't know that it's not her! For all he knows, his mom is back again, answering that Christmas wish he asked for five years ago all over again.

I'm gonna be honest, I love Eddie so much, more than anything, but I was...pretty fucking pissed the moment they walked through that door and he called Kim "mom." Because it was SELFISH, and Eddie has never been allowed to be selfish, not once in all his life, and I wish I could support this selfishness now, but not at the cost of Chris. AND I KNOW EDDIE FEELS THE SAME WAY! This is going to fuck him up just as much as it fucks Chris up!

I know that Tim has talked about how season 7 is kind of a mirror for season 4. He's trying to get back to that narrative and tell the story he wants to tell again. If we look at that, we know that Eddie is incapacitated (shot) at the end of season 4, and that, after his recovery, he tells Buck that he's in his will, that he will get Chris if something happens to him.

Well. Something is really happening to him now. And they couldn't have Eddie near death again, but what if he becomes incapable of taking care of Chris in another way? We know that Helena and Ramon are in the last episode too...what if someone calls them, and they plan to take Chris back to Texas, only for it to be revealed to them that Buck is the one that gets Chris, not them?

This plotline was so strange in so many ways, but I think it served a very specific purpose for Eddie to begin to move beyond his grief over Shannon. And while we are, in no way, finished with the fallout of it, I hope that this conversation with Kim will help him be able to move forward with his life, instead of sticking himself in relationships he thinks he needs to be in to fill the void in his life that he thinks Shannon left.

And yes, I'm a Buck and Eddie truther until the day I die, but I really just want Eddie to begin to process this raw grief, because this was clearly the first time he had even tried.

It seems like we have A LOT to deal with in the finale, and with everything going on, I'll be interested to see the aftermath of this moment, and how it effects Eddie and Chris' relationship in particular.

[moxfan1]

The writers and Tim Minear were able to bring Bobby/Athena, Chim/Maddie, and Hen/Karen together over the years…but they are fully incapable of giving Buck and Eddie love interests that matter and mean something. I know that Oliver and Ryan have very powerful on/screen chemistry that’s hard to match but my god…Buck/Tommy is just not working for me and don’t even get me started on the Eddie/Marisol/Kim mess. (Hopefully Eddie is done with both of them)

The writers need to get it together in season 8. They will have more wiggle room with more episodes to work with. If they aren’t putting Eddie and Buck together (THEY SHOULD)…AT LEAST PUT THEM IN MEANINGFUL RELATIONSHIPS THAT THE AUDIENCE WILL ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT.

I feel like a broken record every year when it comes to this topic. Season 8 has to be the season…and if it’s not…then when?? (Nothing beyond season 8 is guaranteed yet).

They did finally have Buck discover his bisexuality and had Eddie move on from Shannon even if it was in a very bizarre way. The path is as clear as it’ll ever be. So yeah…season 8 has to be the season. Sigh…I’m tired guys…

[leandra-winchester]

I'm wondering how there are people who think killing off Tommy would lead to Buddie. Like for one outside of Shannon the show hasn't killed off any other love interest to write them out of the show and two the show would get so much negative press for it. Like I do not take people seriously when the bring up Tommy dying or Buck cheating as a way to facilitate Buddie canon because it would not endear most of the audience to them as a ship (not to mention Oliver Stark specifically said he doesn't want to go down the queer trauma route here so like I don't get why some people cite these as possibilities)

Yeah, I don't even know man. Fanfic brainrot or something (not that there's anything wrong with fanfic, obviously, but when you consume so much of it and it being very specific to your very personal liking, and then can't separate the expectations you have for fic from those you have for the show).

And I guess in a way I maybe fell for it too, with my past expectations for Buddie canon, because, in hindsight, I'm not sure Buddie canon - especially now after so much time has passed - would have feasibly happened. Not just because of studio politics or limitations on how many canon queer characters you can have among the main cast, but simply because you cannot believably pull off a mutual pining/slowburn romance in an ensemble show.

Buddie would only have worked if Eddie had taken some time to unravel all that repression, bit by bit, and we would have to see it, and that would have taken up too much room and time in a show that has a pretty big main cast.

It might have worked at the end of s5 when he went to therapy and all that, planting some seeds there and then fully following up on it in s6, but now? AFTER the whole Marisol and Shannon/Kim stuff? It would take A LOT to sell it not just to the general audience but, frankly, to people like me as well.

So I dunno, but I'm pretty convinced it's never going to happen. Both Oliver and Ryan have said/hinted that they wouldn't want it to happen purely as fan service; it would have to really make sense and be true to the characters and their journeys, and I agree.

But the BoBs don't listen; they take fragments of sentences and interpret them to fit their own agenda.

And then some of the most unhinged ones of them go and think killing off a love interest is one way to get there. And a lot of those comments or tags didn't read like purely 'jokes' either; there was sheer vitriol and hatred behind them. Which has very little to do with genuine or in any way valid outrage at the 'daddy kink' joke, but everything to do with someone getting in their way of their ship, and this time being an actual threat.

With female love interests, you could always write that off as the show being cowardly about it and not daring to make any of them queer. But now we have that queer representation, Buck is officially bi, and has a boyfriend with whom things are getting really serious, really fast.

And I get being sad and disappointed about Buddie not happening, but the amount of toxicity that has been directed at a) other fans b) the fictional characters and c) the actors/writers involved is ridiculous. This is a fucking TV show, after all. It's not real life, it's not politics or activism. It's just fiction (that gives us an unusual amount of queer rep for a mainstream network TV show!). If it doesn't spark joy, take a step back, stop watching, read and write fic, but don't be a toxic asshole about it.