#wispy and kooky

[emotionalshock]

Lilia Calderu + text posts pt2

[murkyhazed]

according to this quiz, i am alice.

[magicsprat]

HELLO?! ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL SKETCH OF PATTI LUPONE? 🤲🏻

making me go caldelulu ✨

[captainjackscoat]

Alice is Billy's cool big sister. Agatha is their weird mum. Rio is their femme dad. Jen is the bitchy aunt (who isn't related but might as well be). Patti LuPone is the kooky, wispy grandmother. Sharon is the sweet stereotypical grandmother.

[agatharkn3ss]

Lilia's premonitions theory (contains spoilers)

Well, my brain has been in overdrive and I love puzzles so... "buckle up!"

If it's too long for you - you can jump straight into the last section titled "How does it all fit"... I really think there could be something there.

OTHER THEORIES

There have been many theories about Lilia's powers and her moments of visions. Some think it's just some loose wiring on most part, some think it's past traumatic events catching up with her, some think they are predictions of the future, some even went as far as suggesting that Lilia (loosely) predicts the last words of the next person who's going to die (based on the fact she said "Get off me!" in ep.2 and we hear Sharon shout "Don't touch me!" in ep.3). But we keep seeing more and more of Lilia's blips in ep.4, they make less sense to any of the above theories, so personally I am not sold on any of them.

There is also a possibility that her premonitions could just be linked to the events that follow - but the words aren't accurate because Lilia can't quite see the "full picture". So her screaming in her shop could be linked to Teen's reaction when Salem Seven attacked in that same episode. Or when she says "Alice, don't", we see Agatha pleading "Don't" with Rio.

BUT then I saw people discussing that maybe these are actually "misplaced" moments in time - from the future AND the past. And that they will make sense if they were said in the correct moment, but somehow got lost and sent to a different time. For example - when Lilia talks about the vampire by the campfire "You know, we really kind of hated each other in the beginning, but now..." then zones out. We could assume she's still talking about the vampire, but this pause could actually be easily filled with "I love you guys!" from the "botox" scene in ep.3, because she was actually touched by their campfire stories. Or when she shouts "Get off me" in ep.2, it could be taken right out of the ep.4 scene where she's burning on the floor, shouting "Get it off me!".

WHAT WE KNOW

All those theories got me mighty intrigued, so of course I made a list of all of Lilia's apparent 'blips' and tried to make sense of it! I believe there are two types of Lilia's visions - one where she has "wrong messages" and one where she exclaims names of tarot cards.

The tarot cards she mentioned so far:

Three of Pentacles - right after she wrote the coven names down

High Priestess - when she meets Jen at Agatha's house

Three of Swords - as Jen is trying to heal Teen

The "blips" are:

shouting and flailing her hands - when Agatha and Teen ask her to join the coven in ep.2

writing the coven names (same scene as above) - this is the only premonition where we see burst of power - the electricity flicker around her, the water boils and it all seems really intense.

shouting "Get off me!" and looking like she was pushing someone away - just before the witches begin summoning the Road

"I love you guys" - when Jen questions Sharon about her poison symptoms in ep.3

"Try to save Agatha" - when she and Agatha are searching for potion ingredients

"Which is it, am I wispy or am i kooky?" - when talking to Alice about her mum during the trial in ep.4

"Alice! Alice don't" - shortly after the one above

Zones out - during the campfire scene when she talks about the vampire scar

We also know that her Air trial will be all about tarot (confirmed by Patti herself) and the promos show Lilia in some sort of princess dress and tiara, Agatha as the green Wicked Witch of the West and Jen looking like the Evil Queen from Snow White but in the old hag form. This makes me think in her trial she will have to confront all those stereotypes about witches that she always said she hated so much. She will likely have to do a tarot reading too. There is also a room with ceiling full of swords that could fall down on them. And finally, in that same room there is a brief shot with her and Salem Seven, flowing mid-air.

One promo also shows one of Salem Seven (Vertigo) opening her mouth to release a swarm of cicadas (her spirit animal).

We know the witches slowly regain their powers once they passed their trial.

There is also this thing about Alice (I will need to make a separate post to explain this) - where my prediction is that in ep.5 she will try to protect the coven by attacking Agatha while she's in her "possessed" form. Unfortunately, Agatha will (willingly or not) completely syphon her powers and Alice will die.

HOW DOES IT ALL FIT?

Well. I think we will potentially get some answers during or after Lilia's trial, once she starts regaining her powers. I think Lilia will try to send a message to the witches in the past, but she will still be struggling with getting the times right.

I could almost see a scene where she sits at her crystal ball or does a tarot reading and talks, not realising that EVERYTHING she says is "sent out" without any filter.

Something like...

.........

Lilia is in a room with other witches, it is a high pressure situation because the Salem Seven are chasing them. Her task is to send the names of the witches to her past self so that Agatha can form her coven - they realised that without the list, they would've never gotten there. Maybe their existence or memory depends on it.

So Lilia starts a tarot reading and begins "tuning in" to her memories, saying the names of the revealed cards out loud - "High Priestess" (she says it in a surprise voice as her vision suddenly flickers to the moment of meeting Jen), "Three of Swords" etc. Maybe one of other witches in the room starts antagonising her kookiness, so that she would just hurry up, because this is not working and Salem Seven are close. So Lilia responds in annoyance "Which is it, am I wispy or am I kooky?!" But then she realises she is standing in front of Alice from the fire trial (in spirit anyway, Lilia is still physically in the scary room). She exclaims in relief "Alice!" and realises this is also her chance to warn Alice so that she doesn't die. She begins saying "Alice, don't try to save Agatha!", but mid way through, her spirit gets transported to the first trial, searching for potion ingredients. So Alice only hears "Alice don't..." and Agatha hears "...try to save Agatha". At some point Lilia is transported to sitting in front of the campfire, reminiscing their stories. This is a fond memory so she starts saying "You know, we really kind of hated each other in the beginning, but now.." and before she can finish, she gets transported back to the "Huge tiny lies" house "...I love you guys".

Maybe at some point Salem Seven break their way into the tarot room and one of them attacks Lilia. She screams "Get off me!" and pushes them away (while her spirit is transported to the moment before they opened the Road). Vertigo releases her cicadas, flying around Lilia's head. She flails her hands and screams, while her spirit is inside her shop where Agatha and Teen just approach her. She realises she's close, focuses all her energy and channels her spirit to write the list of names herself. It takes enormous effort to stay focused on that one moment, hence the energy around her is bursting. She either doesn't have enough time to finish writing Rio's name or feels cheeky and draws a black heart instead. She finishes by revealing and naming the last tarot card: "Three of Pentacles". She completes the task, the End!

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So..... What does everyone think?!!!!!!

[ssaemhotchner]

I’m gonna start saying “well which is it as I wispy or am I kooky?” In real life

I don’t even care if the question isn’t asked. I’m still gonna say it 😭

[ladiesandwitches]

"I said that to you?" Lilia asked, though the question was as much to itself as it was to Zelda. "I told you that I wasn't the same person."

Another gap. Lilia tried to understand how long the gap had been. Had she simply been passing through, taken mid-conversation, and gone again before it could be continued? Or had there been more?

Lilia hesitated, wondering how to explain, or whether it should be explained at all. So often people didn't press it, they simply moved on, dismissing her throwaway phrases as unimportant, that she was...spacey. Kooky.

"What you heard--" Lilia paused, struggling to put it into words what was so hard for so many to understand. "It was from another conversation," she finally said.

Zelda could only stare for a moment. Was this witch having a laugh? Or was there something seriously wrong with her? "Do you truly not recall what you were saying all of three seconds ago? You said you're not the same person you were eighteen minutes ago. What did you mean by that?" Was she having some sort of episode?

[bloodpen-to-paper]

Exploring Lilia

Lilia as a character is fascinating, and her final episode was so much more beautifully emotionally charged than I was ready for.

Looking at the fourth trial, I wanted to understand what it meant for Lilia. Obviously the tarot cards were a test of her divination, but I was curious why the room made her and the others wear pop culture witch costumes. Plenty of people pointed out the symbolism of what each costume meant for each person, but it doesn't explain why these costumes were assigned for Lilia's trial specifically. Lilia was the most passionate about her distain for these caricatures, because they were based on inaccurate stereotypes and made witches look like a joke and a menace in the public eye.

Then it hit me; they're dressed like this because that's how they are viewed by others. Lilia's room is a reflection of external conceptions on who they are as people because of their power and culture. And in Lilia's case, the perception hits all too close to home.

"Guys, Lilia's being weird again!"

"By your prodding, Dory"

"Lilia, where do you go?"

Throughout the show, Lilia has been treated like a joke. She forgets everything, gets mistaken as senile, and she says funny things that never get taken seriously because that's just Lilia having another divination episode. She's seen as "kooky and wispy" because of her power, to the point where she believes herself to be a forgotten woman. An older woman who can't seem to get her head on straight. A joke. So what does her trial dress the coven up as? Caricatures, mockeries of their true nature. It's how the world views Lilia, and it's how Lilia has come to view herself.

But then there's a shift, a turning point in her story where rather than reject the trial's transformation, Lilia accepts it. When the pieces finally connect for her, she's still in that costume but it doesn't take away from her focus, her power. The costume becomes less a mockery and starts to look more beautiful and noble the longer Lilia wears it (which is how Glinda the Good was viewed in her story, gorgeous and regal). Lila embodies the spirit of Glinda the more she takes control of the situation and connects her flashes of memory to complete the trial. The costume no longer makes her look like a joke, because she makes it so.

For so long no one could understand Lilia because of her craft. She experiences time in its true form, not as a linear flow but as an ever-present existence of all that was and all that ever will be. For years this was her curse, a mortal in connection with the true form of time isn't meant to handle it well, but in that room she realizes her fractured existence isn't truly fractured, it's unbound. She has a gift, and it's one that she needs to work in tandem with, not against. Lilia unites the non-linear pieces to make herself whole, and for the first time in her life the dress finally fits.

It's the heartbreaking nature of the seer that the others will never fully understand what Lilia witnessed to save them, they'll always remember her in that costume without understanding why she was placed in it to begin with, but it's beautiful because she realized she didn't need to be understood fully by them or the world. She just needed to understand herself.

And when she dies, she's embraces herself fully. All that she is, the parts of her that are kooky and wispy, the parts of her sporadic and non-linear nature that she's hated herself for for so long; she embraces it. The joke and the costume are and have always been part of her, but that's no longer a bad thing. It's what she makes of it now, and no one can take that from her anymore.

Lilia Calderu dies in that dress, a remembered woman. Powerful, and whole. The witch she was always meant to be.

[fruitstopia]

┊❛ lilia calderu 𝖺𝗌 𝗒𝗈𝗎𝗋 𝖼𝖺𝗋𝖾𝗀𝗂𝗏𝖾𝗋 ❜┊headcannons >3

a / n : ( cg!lilia x little!reader - no pronouns mentioned ) scruggly silly lady... i ' m trying to be active & write again so i can finish my requests^^ thx 4 being patient with me

━━ sighhh lilia... she ' s so momma...

━━ i imagine her as kind of a night owl, she could stay up all night but she would never let you stay up with her.

━━ you two would have movie nights and it's to be expected that you ' d fall sleep midpoint of the movie, she ' ll let you sleep on her chest and lower down the volume to not disturb your sleep :(

━━ and every morning when she reminded how you left her to watch alone , she pretended to be grumpy and pouty about it making you beg her for forgiveness (in the end you pecked her on both cheeks and she forgive you)

━━ she lets you play your toys however you want wherever you want , just clean up after and don ' t let her accidentally step on any of them .

━━ alot of your stuff is actually handmade or upcycled by her !! :0 momma ' s the best at hand-sewing ! stuffies , blankets , cardigans - u name it !

━━ since your momma ' s the queen of arts n crafts , you do lot ' s of crafts with her ! and you gifted alot of yours to her. she would proudly display them all around the house- even in her workshop and everytime someone asks abt them she ' d give them a proud smirk and say "oh yeah my baby made it for me"

━━ lots of reading with momma ! if u can call it reading. . . it ' s more of a you sit on her lap and she reads out loud for you typa situation. . and you ' d dose off quickly bcuz of how safe and relaxed mamma makes you feel (zzz)

━━ i think she would be the best at handling a fussy little , youre never throwing tantrums unless she thought you really need too . a tut here and there with some sweet talking she ' d get you all smiley in no time

━━ everytime someone makes fun of her , calling her kooky or wispy or other mean stuff you ' d get so mad >:/ and and everytime she brushes it off youre the one who goes into momma mode and scolds her for letting people do that to her

━━ "mommaaa what ' d i say about letting people be mean to youu " >:( "i know sweetcheeks , momma ' s sorry"

━━ the next time you meet that person you ' ll give them this evil stare of yours that screams 'talk to her like that again your toes will be gone poof'

━━ momma ' s a good cook but she always cooks food that she knows the recipe of for AGESSS, so OLDD MEDIEVAL FOOD. okay maybe not really, for your sake.. habitly speaking the way she cooks most of the time is very oldschool, but food ' s food and momma ' s cooking is made of love! so....

━━ at first she never really wanted to play with you - always opting to just watch , not because she doesnt want to !! but more because she doesn ' t know how to. . momma ' s a bit slow on modern media / games so you gotta explain it to her first ! she ' d be happy to learn them for you

━━ even how 'out of touch' people tend to see her as you looked pass that and got your truth , your momma is a great caregiver , she takes care of you and you of her . it ' s you and mamma against the world

꒰ reblogs & likes r much appreciated ! any typos or grammar errors is my mistake so tell me when u see one ꒱

[luthordamnvers]

My conspiracy theory is that Lilia isn't actually aware that she put on the sigil on Billy. And I don't mean like she forgot because of it. I mean that she did it unconsciously and without coherent reason on her part. Like we know she says stuff without realizing: "Save Agatha", "Alice don't", "Which is it? Am I wispy or am I kooky?" What if writing the sigil was the same thing?

Like why on earth would she even put it there to begin with? She didn't know Wanda, or Billy Maximoff, or even Billy Kaplan. Like at best she sensed he would die, and be medically resurrected. Unless she actually saw he would be possessed by some spirit, but again, why the need to protect him, regardless? It just doesn't really make much sense.

Also, Rio 100% (okay, at least like 60% in my mind), will try to claim Billy now, because he cheated death, and Agatha won't let her, because of their story with Nicky.

In conclusion, Billy Maximoff is now Wanda and Agatha's child.

[fangirlwitchstuff]

Lilia's premonitions

All the random sentences Lilia has said so far:

The scream when Agatha and Teen go see her.

"Get off me"

"Try to save Agatha"

"Which is it? Am I wispy or am I kooky?"

"Alice. Alice, don't."

"I hated it the first time"

[summersnow82]

Things Lilia has said (so far):

Episode 2 -

“Three of Pentacles.”

“Get off me!”

Episode 3 -

“I love you guys.”

“Try to save Agatha.”

(Also, I think it’s interesting she saw the Maiden, Mother, and Crone in her vision.)

Episode 4 -

“What is it? Am I wispy or am I kooky?”

“Alice! Alice, don’t!”

“Three of Swords.”

Episode 5 -

“Knight of Wands.”

“I hated this the first time.”

These have to mean something. They just have to. She reads people. She reads time.

[generallycharmingcriminalminds]

Me starting Agatha All Along: Agatha's definitely my favorite character, and my wife, and I adore her. Also, I love Rio, no one can hurt her!

Me after episode 7: Lilia, my love!!! No!!! (Admires Agatha's cuntiness) Fuck Rio (Not in a good way), fuck this show, fuck everything! "I loved being a witch." *dies in a hole while choking on my tears*

Lilia, my darling wispy and kooky divination witch, you will be dearly missed...please don't really be dead.

[meret118]

Image source

Episode 2:

Lilia screams, putting her hands over her ears.

"Three of Pentacles."

She writes the list of names.

To Jen: "High Priestess"

To the group before they start the ballad; "Get off me!"

Episode 3:

"I love you guys." (I think this one is divination.)

"Try to save Agatha." (From her mother in episode 5?)

Episode 4:

"Which is it? Am I wispy, or am I kooky?"

"Alice! Alice, don't!" (I assume this is referring to Alice blasting Agatha.)

While Jen is creating a healing potion for Teen: "Three of swords"

"You know we really kind of hated each other in the beginning, but now . . ."

Episode 5:

She dreams about the Salem Seven coming.

During the spirit shrieking: "I hated this the first time." (Lilia puts her hands over her ears just like she did in episode 2.)

When Alice tries to drive Agatha's mother out of her daughter's body: "Knight of wands."

[je-lurk]

I feel like the cards Lilia says are much more a little foreshadowing of the scene that is coming, and the "predictions" are big foreshadowing for eps yet to come.

Like we’ve already got the Three of Swords (heartbreak, hurt, sorrow, grief) a bit before both "What really happened to your son" and "The boy’s not yours" (both during otherwise perfectly positive bonding interactions, involving, you know, trust and vulnerability?).

And now it’s Knight of Wands (energy, passion, inspired action, adventure, impulsiveness (sry, got them off the internet)) and then Teen somehow gets power (energy), uses it to manipulate Lilia and Jen (counting it as inspired action in the largest sense of "inspired", which is the lamest excuse one could use to defend themselves against being accused of manipulation) to kill Agatha (crime of passion) and, as an afterthought, also offs Jen and Lilia (impulsiveness).

One could argue the adventure aspect comes from the fact that this is probably an illusion or something, and it’ll begin right at the next ep.

Now for the two predictions (I remember, but wasn’t there also one she made to Teen?) we have got so far, there’s "Try to save Agatha" in the first trial, made to Agatha, and "(Which is it? Am I wispy or am I kooky?) Alice! Alice, don’t!" made to Alice.

The former I feel is in relation with something we haven’t seen yet (hoping it’ll be next episode, it’d be interesting since Exposition Boy seems very intent on killing Agatha, after judging her for killing people (he thought he was Kira for a second)). I don’t think it was in relation to Agatha’s Trial, though, since she didn’t seem that much against the idea of punishing Agatha (and the trial didn’t have much negative repercussions on her anyway).

The latter could be two predictions. The first one for herself, that could be resolved during her own Divination Trial, and the second that might be her trying to warn Alice against her own Protection instincts (that we saw this episode).

Also, "Death comes for us all" with Rio pointedly not being in the scene? Hilarious

[talas-first-lady]

Agathario Pushing Daisies AU where they cannot touch

Patti Lupone plays both aunts so she can be both wispy AND kooky.