#wilbur character analysis

[qsmpheadcannons]

I will never get over how much more mature Philza is in his lore than everyone else. He doesn’t have to be, he can choose his own lore, but he chooses instead for his character to always be the bigger person.

And this just goes to show how good of a storyteller he is; he knows the story requires his character to fill a supporting role and he does it without erasing his character’s complexity.

It’s not like his character is never immature, but when he is immature or lashes out, it doesn’t just affect the atmosphere, it completely changes it.

He yells at Wilbur, telling him to leave and find the eggs himself if he’s so upset about it- very much in the way an angry parent scolds a child- and for a brief moment you can feel how scared his character is, and Wilbur who was previously just confused and upset immediately becomes defensive (which benefits Wilbur’s story).

But more importantly Phil apologizes immediately after he’s calmed down, something which we don’t really see from other characters that are described as calm, cool and mature the same way he is. (being more mature isn’t a source of pride for him) It speaks volumes about who his character is, and just how long he’s been around compared to everyone else.

It shows that his character is also choosing to be the bigger person. It shows that he knows better than to wait to apologize to someone he cares about; which taken in the context of his lore can imply that he may have experience with loosing friends or allies in that way.

There’s more I could say abt this, especially with what this can imply about Wilbur and Phil’s father/son relationship, but I think that deserves its own post.

[trashfangirlsworld]

I’m thinking about the fundamental difference between tallulah’s “adoption” attempts. QBad, qforever and the others wanted to adopt Tallulah because they thought since she was sad about her father’s absence that she needed a new parent to replace him so she could be happy, which is not what Tallulah wants and why she said no. On the other hand there’s qPhil who’s always considered her close family without saying anything, through small actions because qwilbur, who is his son, entrusted her to him to give her a family while he’s gone, and he doesn’t joke about qwilbur not being real and always makes mention of how much tallulah is like her dad and the stuff they can do together when he’s back because he knows qwilbur will return because he knows how much he loves her. That’s why she asks qphil to consider her his daughter, because he loves her like that while including and not dismissing the family that she already has

[novaknows]

*hits fandom with a stick* please stop bringing up q! Wilbur in the notes of posts regarding lore that doesn’t involve him! Same goes for any other character but I’m seeing it so much with Wilbur atm

[anartisticdreamer0]

i wanna talk about the gut-wrenching fight between wilbur and phil in the maze today

as a fan of both of them

so during wilbur’s absence i have mainly stuck to phil’s pov but before that i only watched will, this is to establish where i’m coming from.

wilbur was fucked up for telling phil that he must not care about the eggs. phil was wrong for not thinking that wilbur would want further explanations.

and wilbur would have likely reacted much less rudely had he been told more than “the eggs are missing, no we don’t know where they are, we only have clues, yeah they’ve been missing a month, this maze is meant to help. maybe.” like he was not told how the maze would help, what any of it meant, what clues they had, how people were searching, none of it.

obviously we know they didn’t have time to explain any of it. there was no time to explain everything and phil was already stressed. phil gets stressed just being in the maze, he’s constantly stressed about the eggs in general, and wilbur was just not following along to the point that he needed to be lassoed. so no of course phil couldn’t explain everything.

the problem also came in that wilbur wasn’t even explained as to why they were going into the maze in the first place. he had no idea what was going on or why it was happening. so on top of that you bring him into a maze where he was already asking to leave prior to the fight because he was that uncomfortable in it. THEN you tell him his daughter is missing along with all her siblings and everyone is just in a maze?? of course he thought no one was doing anything, NO ONE TOLD HIM THEY WERE! IN FACT NO ONE EVER EVEN MENTIONED THE EGGS UP UNTIL THAT MOMENT (to wilbur).

both of their feelings were perfectly valid given their povs. not saying i agreed with q!wilbur but that his reaction made sense given the circumstances. of course what he said was rude and awful especially because he said it to PHIL. phil who has suffered in his search for the eggs. who has done everything he possibly could for the eggs. but wilbur didn’t know that and no one told him.

but i also want to talk about how they immediately apologize and forgive each other upon taking time away and doing what each set out to do. phil went through with the spy mission and wilbur conducted his own investigation. but when the spy mission was over, and the investigation came up empty, phil went to will. and he apologized for yelling and wilbur apologized for what he said. and then they stuck together, phil explained some of what they knew, and will made an effort that he hopes will work. even if phil doesn’t fully believe in it, he still let wilbur do it.

because at the end of the day, they care about each other so much and are both grieving. one has just had more time than the other.

[luckanio]

so i read the great gatsby for english

no explanations (i dont even know why i paired these myself, this is purley off of Gut Feelings (though gatsby and tom for tntduo is because of the whole sort of rivalry showed in the Las Nevadas bit) (there was this one tweet i saw from an ao3 author who said that the characters in their fics are not the dsmp but a boiling pot of all the various interpretations of characters that they've seen throughout all fics and artwork and such) (and that's basically me for everyone except technoblade))

nick as c!ranboo daisy as c!tommy gatsby (yes, the great one) as c!wilbur tom as c!quackity wilson as c!tubbo myrtle as michael (yeah, the piglin kid)

[squishmalloe]

okay i've been wanting to do a character analysis on tallulah for a bit, and bad's stream today (july 10th) has really inspired me sooo big paragraphs under the cut

(NOTE: remember that this is all roleplay, and i'm not talking about the ccs here, only their characters)

so, starting with tallulah's relationship with wilbur. at the start, wilbur found tallulah in the attic after she survived off of dirt for... however long she was up there. wilbur was resistant to the idea of parenthood at first, but tallulah persisted with questions like "are you my dad now?" and asking him to name her, among other things. whether she was aware of the way she affected him or not, she definitely pulled at wilbur's heartstrings. he made sure to explain to her multiple times that he wouldn't be around too much, but tallulah was so desperate for a father and love that she accepted him regardless of his flaws.

(speaking of the attic, the way tallulah's admin(s) incorporate her trauma from the attic, water/beaches, etc. is SO brilliant)

tallulah desperately wants wilbur to love her, and she loves him a lot. she said one time that she wasn't afraid of death itself, only the idea that wil would be sad after her death. she clearly doesn't have great self-preservation skills (which this is kinda worrying what with her being... not the best at combat related activities), and this is especially evident with her interactions with quackity, since he constantly has hurt her (the mean names at the beginning, him vandalising her house with gegg and the masked man, and possibly other things i've forgotten). she believes quackity will make wilbur happy, and she wants nothing more than to make him happy.

its also worth noting that wilbur gave her praise whenever she was kind to people (but in this case specifically quackity). this could also contribute to her desire to bond with quackity, because she thinks that being kind to quackity will make wilbur proud (and because she's just a sweet and intelligent person (egg?) in general, who's probably also recognized quackity's difficulties). she wants wilbur to be proud of her, and she's willing to risk her own safety to achieve that.

though, there is an exception to this rule; gegg. since meeting gegg, tallulah has been jealous, cold, and suspicious towards gegg, though there wasn't a very good (apparent) reason for this, at least at first. then, she reveals to wilbur that she's afraid that gegg will replace her, explaining her behaviour. she dislikes gegg but not quackity because quackity can't replace her; he's not an egg or a child, he's a human(?) adult. he wouldn't be a son to wilbur, he'd be a partner. gegg, on the other hand, would be a son.

so, gegg has the ability to replace tallulah, but why would she be afraid of that? she wasn't jealous of any of the other eggs when wilbur met them. the reason for her fear/jealousy is because gegg was an orphan and didn't have parents, despite wilbur expressing obvious distaste for him (guggets, anyone?). she wasn't jealous of ramón when wilbur and tallulah met him, but that was because ramón has fit. gegg has no one, and that made tallulah scared that she'd be replaced as wilbur's one and only child.

tallulah constantly expresses fear and sadness to phil about wilbur being away, and twice (to my knowledge) she's talked to bad about how she misses him. today (july 10th), she talked to bad about how she views bad and phil as her dads/father figures alongside wilbur. clearly she cares SO much about her family outside of wilbur, and the fact that she was so adamant that she doesn't replace him (even if she's not actually replacing him) when bad talked to her about how she has other family that love her too ties into the idea that she's terrified of being replaced (even though she loves her other family a lot), so in turn, she doesn't want to do that to wilbur. she loves wilbur so much, so much so that she puts aside her own wellbeing and feelings to think about his instead.

tallulah's character is loving, sweet, persistent, naïve, stubborn, and a bit clingy. she wants to be loved, she wants wilbur to be proud of her, and most of all, she wants wilbur to be happy. she's willing to put everything she loves aside just for him to feel happy, even at the cost of her own. she's extremely trusting, she's vulnerable, and she's emotionally connected to her family and those around her; even with gegg she was never too mean to him, despite her fears.

im excited to see where her admin(s) take her character next!

[nomsfaultau]

RELIGION? IN MY DSMP? MORE LIKELY THEN YOU THINK

Anyways would you like to have a debate like Ancient Greek scholars about religious imagery on the DSMP

“…and every revival only births a perversion of the original, and yet a return to form and renewal of the mission. Wilbur brought back to ambition, Tommy to fear, Techno to anarchy. This is because they were not properly revived through holy means, instead in symbols associated with satanic imagery; a grimoire, a totem. The revival book’s association with Dream echos ideas of Satan offering power that ultimately corrupts. Other symbols of Christianity show up beyond souls, revival, and satanic imagery, likewise tied to Dream. In the garden of Eden—”

“Golden apple as a symbol of the temptation of power! Of course of course! Knowledge as power, the fall of man from grace. This shows particular on the summit meeting between Techno and Dream, wherein a god apple is given by Dream. This falls neatly into parallel with Eden, where Eve is lured with the promise of having the same wisdom and thus power as god. It is the temptation presented, power promised in the same breath as suffering and conflict…”

[loversj0y]

am i the only one who has a boiling hatred for fanon ghostbur?

Like--- I'm neutral about canon ghostbur.

But i really really hate how so many people went as far as saying that Ghostbur was all the good parts of Wilbur.

That is just so wrong---- ghostbur has the good memories, but not all the good parts. it just drives me nuts.

ghostbur wasn't good for c!tommy or anyone coping with wilbur's death

it wasn't his fault, but people need to stop depicting him as they do

ohohoho i specifically waited to get to this until i had my laptop because i love me some character analysis! so. lets talk ghostbur!

disclaimer: these are opinions, i didnt write the character, this is just how id analyze ghostbur and audience portrayal of him

so something i think people dont note about ghostbur a lot is the fact that he is not wilbur in a much more real sense than people realize. something that revivebur kind of touches on but people dont really note (in my opinion) is the way the memories and your actions during memories actually shape you as a person. ghostbur could never be all the good parts of wilbur because without the negative memories, he could never have knowledge of how he can be good in negative scenarios, like being good towards tommy in darker times. this is one of the biggest things that makes ghostbur not healthy for the characters around him, and why wilbur being revived is so important to wilbur's overall character arc

ghostbur is the image of wilbur if he never dealt with significant problems, never caused problems or engaged in them, because he only has good memories, he's never seen himself in a negative situation (think to how ghostbur reacts to philza telling him fundy wants to be "adopted" by someone else (i cant remember who at the moment))

when people tell him of his own negative consequences, he literally cannot react in a way of genuine remorse. he feels guilt because he learns that the living version of himself did those things, but he cant actually give any apology that would be beneficial to anyone involved. ghostbur cant apologize for something he cant remember doing because he doesn't know why he acted in those ways.

we can contrast this with when revivebur tries to later apologize (im thinking particularly to fundy) and how when fundy asks why he did those things, he tells him about how he wasn't well mentally. even though fundy doesn't accept the apology (in a very. drastic way), revivebur can actually acknowledge his own motivations, which allows him to actually have a chance as being forgiven.

ghostbur doesnt know any of those motivations, which is why his character is unhealthy. he is literally a ghost of the man he once was, so even though people want genuine answers, before knowing he was going to be revived, they had to realize that ghostbur is basically a punching bag for them to push their issues with c!wilbur onto because ghostbur cant actually respond in any meaningful way in terms of remorse and forgiveness.

also, as for the audience portrayal, i think people got very caught up on the "sweet ghost boy" image rather than what he actually is and how he actually affects the characters. he literally haunts them and reminds them of all the trauma c!wilbur gave them, while knowing that he can't actually answer for any of it because he doesn't remember hurting them

its a very famous philosophical argument (i believe by kant) about the concept of "if someone has no memory of committing a crime, can they actually serve time for it?" because if you have no memory of doing something, can you actually learn from and grow from your experiences?

because ghostbur cant. and thats what hurts the people around him so much. people like c!tommy and c!philza who geniunely care about c!wilbur and want him to be okay know that ghostbur is not that answer because he can't grow from memories he doesnt remember playing a part in, so it hurts to see someone you love be constantly stuck in place of never being able to grow and never being able to answer for all the things you want to ask.

ghostbur is so important to c!wilburs arc because he reminds people not to seek justice on those who can't answer for it. some people actually recognize this, some don't, and some just avoid him like a plague because it hurts.

[dontcryminecraft]

wilbur's last words

i was rewatching the november 16 clip, and as phil picks up wilbur's things, right after killing him, wilbur speaks up again to tell him that dream had lied about the lack of a traitor and that technoblade had 8 withers in his inventory. phil panics, joins the other vc, and shares this information, and the clip ends. I want to completely rewatch the vod(s), but before i do that-

wilbur's last words. so, i'm taking his last words in this moment to be that message. and like, that imagery. phil, cradling his son's body as he breathes his last breath, and wilbur decides to happily tell phil that more destruction is to come. technoblade has more to offer. 8 withers worth of destruction, hidden away and only wilbur knew about it. The destruction of his nation, which phil had just failed to stop, isn't over.

he doesn't call himself a traitor, however. he tells the AUDIENCE earlier in the stream that he's the traitor. when quackity asks who the traitor is, wilbur looks at the camera and raises his hand. he's quiet, however, so nobody in the vc and "in canon" actually knows. he's admitting to the audience, breaking the fourth wall, to let us know the ending. But when talking to phil, he doesn't. Phil, who had just canonized that they're father and son. He still can't, when faced with a real person he's talking to, admit that he's betraying his nation. it's HIS NATION, after all. He's not betraying anything. THEY betrayed HIM. THEY cast him out. THEY changed. WILBUR is just making sure that it dies in his image, with no further damage done to HIS SYMPHONY.

he's like schrödinger's traitor or some shit. In his mind, he is both a traitor, where he embraces his role as a villain who is going against everyone, and the betrayed, where his nation cast him out and spit on him and changed. He is whatever justifies his actions at the moment, desperate to fit into the role he carved for himself and refusing to step out of it no matter how many people beg.

it's a very interesting way to interpret him, to me

[rat-rosemary]

I'm just saying his to make it obvious, but I'm not about to crucify people who continue to explore the dsmp character of Wilbur Soot from now on

[qsmpheadcannons]

I want to talk about Wilbur and Philza’s argument in their most recent streams. Philza yells at Wilbur, telling him to leave and find the eggs himself if he’s so upset about it- very much in the way an angry parent scolds a child- causing Wilbur, who was previously just confused and upset, to immediately become defensive, not pissy or angry; defensive.

I’ve mentioned how good Philza is as a supporting character and this is one of the places you really get to see it. Phil is still Wilbur’s father on the qsmp- the last person he should be getting defensive with, which can be taken two ways;

One: Philza is very mature character who is not easily shaken, and even as his son, Wilbur has never seen or is not used to seeing Philza so upset, which in turn is very upsetting to him, (maybe even scary if you want to go further into it). This is the more likely option as they tend to focus on the present in terms of storyline.

Or two: Wilbur is a naturally defensive person who reacts strongly to any sort of implied conflict or threat. For this you also have to consider these types of people typically have some sort of trauma if not other issues like an anxiety disorder or - I don’t know- a poor relationship with parental figures.

Which hits a lot harder when you see how gentle he is with Talulah. He doesn’t even make rules for her; he makes suggestions like ‘maybe we keep armor on outside’, and let me tell you- I am not fully convinced he would’ve done anything about it had she completely ignored him as we have seen other eggs do.

I would also like to point out the fact that Wilbur hates wearing armor, both in qsmp and in previous smps- and what is Phil’s biggest rule? Always wear your armor. The only question left being; does Wilbur hate wearing armor because of issues with Phil growing up, or does Phil have the rule specifically because of Wilbur and some sort of incident that maybe scared him as a parent.

And of course if there ever was an issue between the two in Wilbur’s childhood, it’s very obvious that by the time qsmp began, they had already started to make amends, and are now on good terms even if the effects still linger. And if I were to take a guess at the source of any of these issues, I would probably have to go with clashing personalities and also maybe Kristin’s absence assuming that he being Wilbur’s mum is still apart of the lore on the new server.

[itsnotmystic]

Something something something about the juxtaposition of Wilbur telling Tommy they'll fight with words vs Technoblade telling Tommy the only universal language is violence.

Like, people put them together as villains for blowing up L'manberg but their characters are literally so different. cc!Wilbur and cc!Techno both did such an amazing job at writing their characters.

[acutemushroom]

Chapters: 1/1 Fandom: Hatchetfield Universe - Team StarKid Rating: Not Rated Warnings: Creator Chose Not To Use Archive Warnings Relationships: Hannah Foster & Webby (Hatchetfield), Paul Matthews & Pokey | Pokotho Characters: Webby (Black Friday), Hannah Foster (Hatchetfield), Wiggly | Wiggog Y'rath, Wilbur Cross, Linda Monroe, Nibbly | Nibblenephim, Roman Murray, Pokey | Pokotho, Paul Matthews Additional Tags: The Lords in Black (Hatchetfield), Prophets, Creative Description, Character Study, Mostly Canon Compliant, no beta we die like the nerdy prudes Summary:

Being the prophet of a god is always brought up as that amazing thing. These people are born perfect, are paragon of moral perfection, had perfect life and always will.

Fools. Or maybe is it true for the rest of the world ? Either way, it isn't for the prophets of the eldritch deities inhabiting the Black and White, ruling over the people of the small town of Hatchetfield.

For them, serving their Lords is synonymous with fear, stress, pain, violence, destruction and death.

That is the sad truth of being a Lord's prophet.

[anartisticdreamer0]

hot take on tallulah and wilbur’s current relationship

tallulah may finally start to move on from waiting for wilbur to come back.

she originally seemed so bitter and annoyed at wilbur for still not being there. she is tired of waiting but she still loves him. and that shone when she destroyed the poppy a day chest and no poppies came out phil telling her that will collected them. and she decided that “he does care” so she wants him to know that if he DOES show up, she cares too.

and i want to show this in my design for her, because that’s what i’ve already done. originally i drew her in an outfit that looked just like wilbur’s, then i changed it to a design that both reflected her relationship with phil giving her some blond hair and her love of wilbur with an anvil cat sweater, now it will be a sweater that reflects her personality. the flowers that she loves, the colors that she likes, because she’s her own person outside of her love for wilbur.

and that’s okay.

she still loves him. he has always loved her. but she can love her dad and love other people as father figures. and of course she can be angry and bitter, as she should be. she’s been left behind and while she knows why and understands and is even proud of him, she can still be mad about it. but she seems like she doesn’t want it to really define her anymore. she is still waiting, but not actively. it’s more of a “he’ll come if he comes”

i do wanna mention she’s been on this path for a while but i think recently is where it’s become really obvious. but she’s been moving towards this she just needed something to really push her forwards. and this all was it. and i love that for her. while knowing the admin, it’s going to be pretty angsty, it’s a development that i hope will suit her well.

[copepods]

cphil is a really fun character to me because in my mind hes just kind of a dick. and part of it is the thousands of years of existence warping his perception of time and giving him a false sense of superiority but also hes just a prick sometimes i think

[nocinovae]

I have many feelings on the situation around abuse and power dynamics and assault that are coming to light at the moment. For the most part I feel that other peoples rage and statements are worded better. Though I had some thoughts and as someone who enjoyed psychoanalyzing fictional characters I have some realizations about c!Wilbur that I think some people will appreciate. Other than that Support and Listen to Victim. Don’t Put Streamers on Pedestals.

I hate how much I and so many people loved c!Wilbur for being a morally flawed traumatized mentally ill character.

The type of villain to enjoy in media but in a “I like them as a bad person. They fill the role they were written for very well.”

We took them as a “this is a bad person to enjoy through media” character. He showed the experience of how trauma and mental illness can effect relationship and morals.

I felt like I could take him as a caricature, an exaggerated form of many of my own insecurities and dark parts of myself.

BUT NO All c!Wilbur was was a self insert character of the writer’s desire for control and power over the people around him. Same with any of his other “characters” that we all thought were meant to be satire dark comedy of disgusting men in the world.

And he let us all believe this. It’s ironic the way he literally had his self insert pity oc kill himself after not having his apology accepted for all the harm he caused. How he was so distraught with having to actually work for redeeming himself more than just his words that his actions that he thought would resolved that was killing himself for a second time.

All the nuance and grey area I loved saw in c!Wilbur has been destroyed with the truth we all now see in William Gold. And that goes for so all of his artwork.

At least with this new lense on the artist we can take another view of his art and see deeper into the truth of What a Disgusting Piece of Shit this man is.