#whitegownsandflowercrowns

[atopvisenyashill]

Never apologize for hating Jaehaerys.

[kazz-brekker]

Spotify Wrapped, #47

You Are the Apple by Lady Lamb

[whitegownsandflowercrowns]

My Top 10 TV Episodes (First Watch) of 2023:

“Connor’s Wedding” from Succession (2018-2023)

“Long, Long Time” from The Last of Us (2023-Present)

“The Renaissance Will Not Be Televised” from Cunk on Earth (2022)

“The Heirs of the Dragon” from House of the Dragon (2022-Present)

“America Decides” from Succession

“With Open Eyes” from Succession

“Aloha” from The White Lotus (2021-Present)

“Cherry” from The Boys (2019-Present)

“Church and State” from Succession

“Pilot” from Yellowjackets (2021-Present)

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URL song tag game

Thank you so much for the tag, @whitegownsandflowercrowns 

RULES: spell your url with song titles and then tag as many people as there are letters.

Keep On Livin' - Le Tigre

I Miss Those Days - Bleachers

Missing Words - The Selecter

Werewolf Heart - Dead Man's Bones

EARFQUAKE - Tyler the Creator

X Gon' Give It To Ya - DMX

Lovely - Billie Eilish, Khalid

Every You Every Me - Placebo

Remember When - Wallows

Stop Your Sobbing - The Pretenders

Boomin' - Mindless Self Indulgence

Rat-at-at - The Skints

On a Mission - The Skints (is it illegal to do the same artist twice?)

Without You - Harry Nisson

Novacane - Frank Ocean

Heaven - Talking Heads

Angel in Flip-Flops - Steve Martin

I Am Nancy - Jamie Coon

Romantic Homicide - d4vd

@costis @jimgandolfini @daenerysoftarth @daenerysthevampireslayerr @myplasticadversary @cauldronofmorning @doodoocumfart @owlishgirl @kimberly-wexler @michaelmandog @yunabot @seraphtrevs @operation-annihilate @karlavhh @jovial-gender-jester @heartshapedtrap @oreganosbaby @livesonthebside @theparallaxview @tinylilvalery @dubiousvoices

EDIT: I actually turned this into a playlist because I'm deeply silly.

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First outfit, celebrity, quote, and aesthetic pic that shows up on your Pinterest is your vibe!

tagged by @whitegownsandflowercrowns

Tagging no one i have no friends on this app

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Vibe: Hanging out with a drunk friend who’s actually very interesting that you enjoy spending time with

what's the vibe of my blog

from now on this is how i want you all to start picturing me

[atopvisenyashill]

Saw someone say that their theory on why TWOW and ADOS are taking so long is because GRRM has realized that he can't meaningfully end slavery AND send Dany to Westeros in the timespan of the two books and I'm curious what your thoughts are on that

It’s definitely ONE of the things tripping him up in my opinion but I don’t think it’s the only thing.

For one thing - I don’t know that Dany is going to “meaningfully” end slavery. Regardless of her ending - whether she dies a hero, a villain, or something in between, whether she lives and pulls a Nettles, whether she lives and goes back to Essos - I don't really see her "meaningfully" ending slavery in the Ghiscari bay before she leaves. To be frank, I think by the time she gets back to the bay, she's going to be over the whole thing. I don't think she's going to leave them high and dry necessarily, but I do think it's likely she leaves things in a bit of a lurch. With that said, leaving isn't going to be as easy as rounding up the Unsullied and her khalasar within a day and getting them onto the boats - there's likely to be a battle, some sort of wrap up (however bitter or unfinished of a "wrap up" it may be), and then the logistics of actually leaving that's going to take a lot of time. And that's just while she's in the bay. That doesn't even count what she's doing before she gets there, which is a lot. It's why I don't think she's getting to Westeros until literally the epilogue of twow at the earliest (and also why I don't think she's going to have a meaningful hand in defeating the Others - once again, she will simply be too late).

But like...that's not the only thing happening lol. There's whatever the fuck is happening with Euron, whatever the fuck is happening with Stannis, there's Cersei and Qyburn's plans, there's Varys' kingmaker plot, there's Arya and the Faceless Men plot, there's Jaqen's plot, there's getting Bran south of the wall, there's Jon's ressurection, there's Sansa's journey out of the Vale, there's Davos in Skagos, there's the Dornish plot, AND there's the entire mess in the Riverlands. That's a lot of shit to do, a lot of really complex shit! And yeah, we probably have like four thousand pages with which to tell it but the sheer amount of moving parts is crazy to think about. So like yeah, part of it is "how do you at least partially resolve the issues in the bay" but there's so much more going on and it all adds up to a lot of strands George has to pull together and that takes time and intricate planning and plotting.

[atopvisenyashill]

ASOIAF: brOTP

GOT: Least favorite plotline

HOTD: Sum up your feelings in one sentence

F&B: One thing you’d change about canon

AKOTSK: Favorite plotline

ASOIAF brOTP: does sansa/arya count. i don’t know that i brotp things in this series, i p much want one huge orgy to happen. OH WAIT qyburn/cersei, they are soooooo sweet!!!!! underrated dynamic!!!!

GOT Least favorite plotline: the monstrosity that is the riverlands arc.

HOTD Sum up your feelings in one sentence: It’s mediocre but not for the reasons everyone keeps saying it is, the reasons everyone says are stupid.

F&B One thing you'd change about canon: im cheating 😊 and saying change the entire conceit of the story to be a history of the targaryen QUEENS, preferably as written by a septa or dornish maester (like archmaester brude) but if i MUST have it written by gyldayn, fine.

AKOTSK Favorite plotline: im sorry but nothing beats the very first book, nothing tops duncan yelling “ARE THERE ANY TRUE KNIGHTS AMONG YOU” that shit is TOP NOTCH

[atopvisenyashill]

Top 5 smallfolk characters?

NICE QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE COURT ATOP VISENYA'S HILL BABEEEEE. I'm making Sylvie, Essie, and Gaemon all one bullet point here so they don't dominate the whole thing but I love them so so much. The family they build against all odds, the desperate attempt to gain some sort of control over a king’s landing that has descended into chaos, the reforms they attempt to push - and the way their own reforms are SOO popular that it forces the other two Kings to start offering food and safety as well!! - and the sad, tragic end of Essie and Sylvie while poor Gaemon looks on. The way all three are denied dignity even in their dying.

Davos Seaworth. LOOK the rest of the nerds in the fandom can call him boring as much as they want but you will never catch MOI calling our only insight into the smallfolk boring, EYE have class solidarity unlike the rest of these posers. I find him equal parts frustrating and engaging; he is so clear eyed on the moral issues that people face yet covers his own eyes when it comes to Stannis' deficiencies. He is determined, always, to keep going, keep fighting. He's a flawed man with a flawed relationship with his wife and sons but he loves them so dearly, so normally. His greatest achievement is that he learned to read. He is so so dear to me.

Mya Stone. MY GIRRRRRRRRL I love how protective of Alayne Stone she is, I love that she knew she had to figure out how to protect herself and provide for herself and learned how to deal with the mules. I love that she had lofty dreams of marrying so far above her station, I love that she's forcing herselfto take the rejection in stride. I think I want a realistic happy ending for her, but a definitely happy ending - I want her to marry for love, I want her to be safe, I want her to feel fulfilled by her life, because she enjoys living, she doesn't take it for granted!

Shae. SHAE FOREVER AND EVER. I prefer her show counterpart - which, I do think they were trying to imply that she was higher class in Essos but ran away, but whatever, ignoring that - but that's largely because we really get to know Shae herself, through her own eyes. The way she grows to love Sansa, is desperate to protect her even against Tyrion! The way she chooses safety and comfort over love and testifies against Tyrion (the way the actress believed - and I do too!!!! - that she would have chosen Sansa, to protect Sansa, had she not been written by Those Dudes). "Your horse eats better than his children" is just an amazing line and she never lets Tyrion or Sansa forget that even with the troubled lives they've led, the smallfolk have a very good reason to resent them! And book Shae!!! She's just a young girl!!!!! She's a teenager picked out of the crowd by Bronn to be Tyrion's mistress, except she doesn't get to have all the safety and power that usually goes with being a mistress and she can't say no. She tries so hard to see the good in Tyrion, to see the intelligence, to get to know him, and she only stops when he gets physically violent with her. All she wants is safety, stability, and it's all ripped away from her before she's even reached twenty years old. She's treated like a pawn, both versions of her, a piece to be moved about by more important people, but she wasn't a piece, she was a girl, a woman, with her own dreams!

blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hard to narrow it down i’ll say KYRA (with the keys). She’s such an interesting, tragic character to me. The way she maneuvers to be Theon’s mistress, only for her trust in him to be completely betrayed when he assaults her. The way she very smartly realizes she can’t get home without Theon, and manages to rescue him and get SO CLOSE to freedom. She’s very much a quintessential sort of smallfolk character - she tries to rise above her station and is repaid by sexual abuse, literally hunted down for sport and gruesomely murdered. But at every turn, she tries so hard to assert her own agency!

Special mention because i debated that fifth spot a lot but Gendry, Nettles, and Alayaya are very close to my heart as well. I didn’t count the wildlings otherwise Ygritte and OSHA would be number two and three.

[atopvisenyashill]

You know, I was thinking about what you said about the possibility of things going down in HOTD the way they do because that’s how Condal would have done it in the main series (ie if Rhaenyra fakes her death you think Daenerys’ chances of survival shoot up), and I was wondering:

Could Daemon’s Harrenhal arc be Condal’s roundabout way of going “Well SOMEONE’S got to go through the House of the Undying?” (I know logistics were probably the biggest reason but I could see this)

LJADJLKFKDF yeah i can fr see that, and in fact i DO think the focus on the prophecy and the magic of harrenhal does have to do with Condal and Hess being like "well EYE liked the prophecies in the main books idk what the fuck those other dudes were doing." and some of it does make sense to me tbh, like i've talked about the book similarities between rhaenyra and stannis and obviously there's a lot of similarities between rhaenyra and both dany & cersei, and a lot of similarities between alicent & cersei as well, and they were all VERY involved with prophecies and magical plots so it makes sense to me that you'd deepen those similarities by giving their parallel characters another prophecy to work with (and despite how goofy they did it, it IS a canon prophecy, both tptwp and aegon's dream so it's not a far stretch!). And since Daemon already sets up shop in Harrenhal, it makes sense to try to dig into those magical aspects. Especially because...I imagine George gave them a basic outline of how Alys is going to go? And I know they love to mislead my man about their writing but I can see them wanting to incorporate some of her magic and story into the dance in a more overt way.

[atopvisenyashill]

Just wanted to pop in here and say that I was looking through people’s comments on the “who do you possess to stop the dance” polls that I posted in August and I didn’t realize that you reblogged all of them. I’m here because I wanted to let you know that the phrases “I’m cleaving to Rhaenyra babeeee daddy can get FUCKED” and “YOU WANT TO FUCK AROUND FIND A POST MENOPAUSAL MILF” have lived rent free in my mind since then

lkajkdslfjklsadjfk AND YOU KNOW I'M RIGHT TOO. YURI AND MILFS WILL SAVE US!!

[whitegownsandflowercrowns]

My Favorite Movies This Year: The Starling Girl (2023) and Oldboy (2003)

[whitegownsandflowercrowns]

dear helaena targaryen's lawyer aka tumblr user whitegownsandflowercrowns. not only is your taste in films, music and more absolutely immaculate (i see several of my own personal favourites among them!) but i just noticed that you are an aspiring screenwriter as well and wanted to say that in addition to enjoying my time in mutuals with you, from one storyteller to another, i hope that you're able to follow your dreams ❤️

Thank you unbelievably kind anon

[atopvisenyashill]

i’m gonna be so obnoxious with this wall of text ajsjdjd BUT

@whitegownsandflowercrowns said: Lowkey highkey agree with pretty much all of this, and if I can add (sorry for all of the past 30some minutes, but it turns out that staying up late to watch a livestream of a concert convinces your brain that the world needs to hear every possible take you have on the dragon show): - I honestly cannot even judge them for the pacing because HBO should be consistently giving them 12-13 episodes but imo it was the biggest issue with Season 2 - I cannot tell if my gut is right or if I'm just snorting copium 24/7 but I honestly think we're getting Nettles in Season 3; even if we do though, it is obvious that the original plan was to cut her, and I Do Not Get It. Hugh is a trillion times more expendable. - Your thing with Alys is the same as my thing with Helaena: I think Phia is fantastic and perfect for the role, but I also kind of wish we'd gotten a chubbier Helaena (I can lowkey understand why they didn't do it for Rhaenyra or Aegon because in-text their fatness is very much supposed to be A Bad Thing That Reflects Their Rotten Moral Character but it's absolutely not for Helaena. Also think it would weirdly make sense for her. - Also agree that you can tell what the makeup of the writer's room is: I think people over exaggerate HOW imperfect the feminism is but there are very much moments where you can very much tell that the showrunner is a white man. - All of the "not problems" stuff...SING IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS it's just very refreshing to see good faith criticism of this series as well as acknowledging the good stuff

ya the pacing is tricky because i think if like, sara & ryan (idk if miguel read the books) treated f&b as well as the main series with a bit more respect, instead of (imo) clearly going in with the idea they were going to Fix Canon rather than Elaborate On Canon, they would have approached season one’s pacing waaaaay different, probably starting the story much earlier or having a more extended flashback. so i think the combination of them feeling like “i can fix this mess” and hbo very obviously being on their ASS about doing this as quickly as possible (TEN EPISODES IS CRAZY) it was really lethal for the pacing of the show. it’s definitely not solely their fault or even predominantly their fault - when you have like 10 hours to work with, there’s just only so much you can do 😭😭

YEAH i do think from some of what ryan has said that they’re going to add nettles in (could be copium!) but it’s very obvious they originally intended to cut her and it’s CRAZY. BONKERS. HOW DO U MISS THE POINT LIKE THIS.

VERY good point re: weight, that’s another criticism i’ve pushed back on - not only is the weight of rhaenyra used to make her seem evil, but the art itself is pretty inconsistent with depicting her. sometimes she’s skinny, sometimes she’s fat, it varies a LOT so the focus on emma d’arcy being skinny always pissed me off. and same for aegon - again, similar to like, aegon iv, the weight is used to show his unworthiness. i get wanting to drift apart from that. esp bc, as i’ve pointed out, book aegon is aesthetically very similar to robert, and i can understand wanting to give him an aesthetic makeover while keeping the underlying issues aegon has. HELAENA however, doesn’t have her weight commented on weirdly - it’s just like, a thing she seemed to inherit from viserys, that she’s just a lil plump (i believe that’s the word they use - plump and pleasant) and she’s like that for most of her life, so i can definitely see the argument there for sure! esp bc like you say, it’s a very good comparison to alys; just this hollywood thing of cutting fat characters, aging down women but letting men age visibly, and it’s very obnoxious to be a ~feminist show and not meet this very low bar of having size and age diversity amongst your female cast!

AND THE WRITERS ROOM. i think an outlander comparison is good - there’s some points where they do good and some points where you can tell who Isn’t in that room. interestingly enough, both shows take a “far east” type character that is horrifically stereotyped and, due to imo having an asian writer in that room, really expand upon them in meaningful ways (yi tien cho for outlander & mysaria). it’s just crazy to have such a clear example of what Having Diversity In The Room Can Help & then like…..not include any idk dark skinned black writers? trans writers? would having a consultant for north african characters help with dorne? idk but it’s clear they didn’t think about that and it’s a shame bc sometimes it’s like ryan….what ARE you cookin here

like some of the criticism i see……sometimes it’s just naked bigotry (the girls face a LOT of this in particular), but also oftentimes it’s just people like. complaining about nothing. “why doesn’t baela hate jacaerys” why would she. that’s such a stupid bad faith critique. “the dragon fight was bad” according to whOMST???? “they betrayed the entire concept of the dance by making rhaenicent a thing/making rhaenyra complex/trying to give alicent more to do” like i’m TIRED of it, most deeply tired of this “softening MY side is fine the other side should be ontologically evil though” i’m sorry that they’re trying to write a GOOD story and not getting on a soap box like everyone clearly wants them to but this constant “they hate my side” makes me feel like no one in this fandom actually passed english class in high school & just cheated off the smart kid!!!!

i can elaborate if anyone wants, i’m not joking when i say i will be stuck in this car for like four hours 😭 why is urban sprawl so bad (it’s white flight i know this, not the point).

PROBLEMS

uneven as FUCK pacing - maybe there’s no getting around this but i do think this ties back to the idea that they do not care about the source material the way they should. so they just like, rush past the parts they clearly don’t think are interesting to get to what they DO like, because they only have 10 (and EIGHT) episodes to do it in. that’s not enough time!!!! 13 episodes MINIMUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SLOW IT DOWN LET IT SIMMER

in season 1, i think the younger generation suffer from this writing choice the most, but so did the strongs & the velaryons most acutely. i also think older rhaenyra is often too busy with Plot to have good Character Moments while older alicent gets a much more even hand. viserys dominates screentime, & we all know i want to top that old man but now he’s dead and the characters that are alive need so much more work.

in season 2, i think the velaryons once again suffer from this, and around idk rooks rest the greens very suddenly drop off. rhaenyra becomes much more balanced and alicent spends too much time being sadly silent instead of doing serious character work w other characters + they completely cut off aliotto & alilarys (and arguably aligon) for That Other One and i just don’t get why u would focus on the worst ship out of those three.

criston should have spent more time w aemond & gwayne should have been daeron. daemon gets too much fuckijg focus in harrenhal and only half of it is interesting. alys & simon you’ve done nothing wrong ever in your lives and i love you.

which tbc i don’t think they have SIDES they love i think there are EVENTS they find interesting & they prioritize getting to those events quickly (bc they don’t have enough episodes).

Alicent should have been older than Rhaenyra. you can make her a child bride, you can make her friends with Rhaenyra, you can make her homoerotic relationship with Rhaenyra the beating heart of your show and still have her be several years older than Rhaenyra, if you’re not a fucking coward.

Tullys - if i thought they did this because they felt it was too many characters to juggle, i’d get it. but you know damn well they did it bc they don’t think the muppet names fit their serious business aesthetic and they are fake fans for that shit.

The Lads - where is Black Aly. Where is Benjicot. Where is Sabitha. Where is Red Robb Rivers. what the fuck. why do the riverlands always get the shaft even when they’re technically getting focus.

the north - i’m sorry did we find it enjoyable when bran disappeared for a season. did u know that this doesn’t have to feel like nostalgia bait if you don’t TREAT IT like nostalgia bait??

nettles - cutting nettles defeats like, at least 33% of the reason you even adapt the dance. even if they backtrack, it is a mind boggling decision to attempt to do the dance without nettles. if u wanted to cut a dragonseed, i’m sorry, i kno i got ulfhusbands following me but cut one of those dudes. “oh but what about their dragon” vermithor & silverwing are the two most boring dragons and you can quote me.

Sunfyre & Dreamfyre - LIKE YOU KEPT VERMITHOR & SILVERWING, WHEN VERMITHOR IS THE UGLIEST DRAGON & SILVERWING IS JUST A LESS COOL DREAMFYRE BUT U CUT 90% OF THE SUNFYRE & DREAMFYRE CONTENT??? ARE YOU SILLY????

Velaryons - where do i even begin. it’s bad to racebend a family and then completely rework their characters so they’re less prevalent. idk how many times this has to be said, but idc if u think rhaenicent is the better ship, there was no reason to write laena the way they did. what was the point of having laenor live if they were just gonna kill him offscreen. what did THEY think they were cookin with vaemond huh. why do rhaenys & jacaerys never fucking interact on their own. can we get corlys talking to any of his grandkids except that one time with luke. pls.

the strongs - every day matthew needlham comes onto set and slays and they go “you know what. let’s have daemon do carpentry instead.” harwin’s entire character was either cut or implied. i like the alys stuff but hollywood has a problem with refusing to cast milfs and i won’t let it stand bc why can we have paddy AND rhys the dilfs but not alys. why is daemon played by a 40 year old but alys can’t be??

rhaenyra’s hair - it’s TWO BRAIDS do NOT piss me the fuck OFF. have the nerve to be RISKY instead of redoing dany’s fifty little braid big braid thing!!!

daeron - let me stop here.

honestly so many of the character troubles can be traced to “needs more time” - the kids in the back half of s1, corlys, rhaenyra in the back half of s1, the strongs, the riverlands, the north.

OR “i need u to acknowledge your limitations as writers” - alicent, the velaryons, the twins, some of the gender stuff, imo this comes from not having a diverse enough writers room & not having anyone writing that’s darker than a paper bag Does affect this.

listen. does brienne become plot relevant right away? no, she’s just kinda following catelyn around after some weird shit happened to her. but we still get to MEET her and CARE about her before stuff gets crazy. oberyn is introduced so we have an emotional tie to dorne in affc. hugh & ulf & the hull boys felt a bit randomly added but imo this is bc they narrowed the scope so much w everyone else.

NOT PROBLEMS

the yuri is INTEGRAL to the plot dont pmo

i have never seen a rhaenyra criticism that didn’t annoy tf out of me

“oh she’s too perfect” no “oh they favor her” no “um excuse you but rhaenyra is FEMININE” im mailing my dog’s shit to your house as we speak

they don’t have a favorite side stop saying that

the concept of black velaryons/dragon twins. i literally did that graphic and it would be so easy to have corlys explain this in his monologue to daemon but i actually think that In This Day And Age, it’s fine to look at a vey white source and go “now where can i maybe race or gender swap some stuff to add to the narrative” pls see iwtv & anne with an e for examples. what they did was maybe perplexing (well no it’s not, it’s a common trope) but still workable and tbh Corlys as a Black man is simply canon to me, eat shit.

“oh they softened this character i hate but they wrote the characters i love badly” it’s bc the writing is incredibly uneven across the board i need everyone to get over themselves. i’m a rhaenyra apologist and even then, they just clearly miss the mark in a few spots bc this series is sloppily written bc it’s on a time crunch. the vision they were going for in their softening of every single character makes sense & are often changes they made to deal with a source material that is VAGUE and PURPOSEFULLY CONFUSING. it’s fine.

the abigail thorne cameo. should tyland & her have done jack shit for like a third of the runtime? no. but like, just casting a funny lady in this part is fine?

i’m sorry i think the hairstyles can be whack but the wigs are great?? why is everyone always shittalking the wigs?? well okay the aegon s2 & jacaerys s1 wigs were p bad but i don’t think any of the rest of them are particularly egregious. everyone shits on the daemon wigs specifically but i think he looks very good??!

the cgi is good i think some of u are too picky

Alicent - listen. obviously i think some of the complaints about her writing has merit. but some of the shit i see is just the the stupidest shit. making alicent a child bride was a good choice, bc we don’t see aemma’s child brideness. also, she’s 17 when they start fucking around, viserys is not like Meaningfully better in the books about her. making alicent a young mom IS the correct choice! keeping alicent as a main character in s2 IS the correct choice. “this is a story about the fight between rhaenyra & aegon” your brain is the size of a pea.

Visaemon is the correct choice (imo they should have leaned in slightly harder to the Viserys/Rhaenyra angle to really bring it home, but everything they did regarding the characterization of this triangle is good.)

and for that matter, bringing aegon, helaena, and aemond closer in age to jacaerys, lucerys, and the twins is also the correct choice. the helaena visions, aegon sadboy, jacaerys classism allegations, baela not gaf abt the bastard allegations, these were all good choices. leo hurt! aemond save me, same me leo hurt! aemond.

helaena and viserys being dreamers is genuinely inspired

criston being dornish is also a good move, all the people who complain about this are just like. so clearly racist aksjdjd and i think they do a good job with Criston As The Lone Dornishman (though they fail a LOT with What Does Being Dornish Mean To Criston but again, this goes back to the writer’s room)

the prophecy stuff is GOOD i’m stealing from kingcunny here but if u don’t like the idea of rhaenyra getting fixated on the same prophetic magic that drove her father to murder her mother, and driving her son away, then maybe targaryen madness isn’t for you!! “well i don’t like the targaryens” i also wish they’d do a show about literally anyone else & i think these overhyped lizard fuckers are obnoxious but like, the main series is FULL of prophecies, you can’t SPIT without landing on another prophecy, wanting LESS MAGIC in the MAGIC SHOW is exactly why we have the dumpster fire that is the main show. be serious!!!!!