#what happened to innocent until proven with proofs guilty?

[aokozaki]

He also hasn't apparently contested being found with a gun. People act like of course the cops planted a gun, why would a guy just be carrying a gun?

If Mr. Magnione is indeed the shooter, it's not hard to imagine "he couldn't think of a way to dispose of the gun" turning into "he kept it on his person" gelling with "if he was found he might have known he'd get arrested right away, so his manifesto thanks the feds for what they do and says he doesn't want to waste their time".

Or, maybe, anyway.

This is assuming a lot of hypotheticals. He is still only a suspect, innocent until proven guilty - and thankfully his family's well off so he's gotten a good lawyer.

The thing is though, people have turned ACAB into an excuse for assuming a massive conspiracy to arrest some guy on trumped up charges. Which like, wouldn't be shocking but that's also not proved either.

You ever notice how when the shooting first happened, and the shooter calmly shot the guy and then rode away on a bike and just fucking vanished, everyone's reaction was "what? that worked?"

But after a few days of myth-making, of seeing every little clue as proof that the unknown gunman was always one step ahead of the cops, when a man is arrested for pretty boring reasons, the reaction becomes "there's no way it's him, the shooter was too smart for this!"

Or maybe it's not that implausible, if Mr. Mangione does turn out to be the shooter (this is still just personal speculation here, it's not proven) that a man who's escape attempt was so slapdash as to provoke shock, also carried a manifesto that opens:

To the Feds, I'll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't working with anyone.

Was he expecting to be caught? That's just speculation and personal opinion. We don't know anything for sure yet.

It seems plausible he shot the guy, but objectively it's an understandable motive for murder, and also lmao? Terrorism charges?? Yeah they're not getting him with that even if he did do it.

But like, Jesus, drop the conspiracy theories. Saw some folks allege the manifesto must have been AI generated due to the somewhat surreal tone of opening up thanking the feds but like.

It's a handwritten note. That's very easy to google. The cops were fastidious enough in their frame-job to handwrite it, but hakcy enough to ask ChatGPT? What're you fucking talking about.

Honestly one of the main reasons to assume Luigi Mangione was framed by the NYPD is that the UHC shooter not only had no reason to carry around a manifesto, he had no reason to even write a manifesto. He said his piece loud and clear with the bullet casings and the monopoly money. Everyone understood it and the shooter knew that would be the case.

[nunap]

Koppers proving their morals are all over the place once again

[firelightmlpoc]

Hey, just wanted to say good on you for standing up against the completely batshit accusations that have been thrown around the fandom lately. I cannot fathom how anyone believed those screenshots for even a second. I doubt you’ll get an answer, since the harassers are stuck in an echo chamber of validating their actions and will likely just stick their heads in the sand and pretend they can’t hear you. It sucks ass, but seeing that there are at least some people who will publicly question this bullshit is refreshing.

Of course. There’s a reason ‘innocent until proven guilty’ is something that’s supposed to be a baseline for an accusation of actions that have caused harm. After all, if someone makes a false accusation that then is treated as true, then another innocent person gets harmed, & then the waters get muddied for any other accusations thereafter.

After all, if someone lied about harm done & then makes another accusation, who’s to say that accusation isn’t just another lie? Something-something, ‘boy who cried wolf’. Then it also makes any other accusations in the nearby vicinity seem lest trustworthy because people don’t want to be wrong again.

Some people solely jumped on this hate-train specifically because it was against Pansear Doodles, & wouldn’t have interacted with this accusation at all if it didn’t center around someone they didn’t already dislike.

You want proof? Easy.

Look at the accounts saying ‘I always knew that Pansear was bad! Good to get proven right…’ and then look at their accounts. Almost always, they’ve been bashing Pansear (and other artists who do shipping of Slugcats & other similar art) because they just didn’t like the topic. And, instead of just acknowledging that they don’t like that content & moving on, they internalize that dislike & then try to find a reason to attach said dislike to the author. Then, they look for anything the author did wrong (be it true or not) & suddenly cry out:

‘I was right all along for hating this person!!!’

There’s an account that replied to my earlier post which REALLY clearly shows this in action.

@hourglass-meadow .

This reply is what they said.

An ask they responded to directly about Pansear. (Long-winded, yadayada.)

Their response:

And their first response to seeing Pansear gone.

Now, you know how many posts they made about Pansear potentially being a problem? None, except for the ArtiHunter comic, which has nothing actually ’problematic’ within. What about an ‘I hope the victim can find peace…’? Nonexistent.

These people don’t care if these allegations are true or not.

They don’t care who else gets hurt in this mess, as long as it isn’t someone in their circle.

They just want to see a ‘bad guy’ who is someone they don’t like get punished.

They want to claim their righteousness for all the world to see, as they cast judgement; a lynching in the court of public opinion.

And all of this targeting, IF this is fake, is more-or-less because people didn’t like seeing Pansear & others making /shipping/ art.

Because they saw someone else making something that THEY deemed ‘weird.’

There’s something to be said about the current political climate here, be it the Puritanical aspect of eliminating anything ’other’, ‘weird’, or ‘disgusting’ from sight no matter how innocuous/harmless it is;

the ‘Guilty until Proven Innocent’ mindset going around that makes actual victims more liable to not out their abuser out of concern for what will happen to their abuser (As, statistically speaking, abusers tend to be someone close to the abused, before abuse starts.)

Or even just the fact that people are simply emboldened to be as shitty as possible while they believe they’re anonymous online, because they’re of the mindset that they’re immune to consequences because they aren’t being directly known by these internet people in-person.

Don’t believe me? Look at every account celebrating Pansear’s self-eviction from the Rainworld community. Look at their actions & words from before this accusation. And then check what I said again. Cross reference this shit. See that the majority don’t care if there was a victim, much less if the potential victim is ok now or not; they just wanted someone they didn’t like, for one arbitrary reason or another, gone.

Cruelty was the point of many people’s actions against Pansear here, & by jove did they get what they wanted.

Remember folks! Remember this well:

No matter how much you align with leopards-that-eat-people’s-faces, the leopards won’t think twice about your face being next on their dinner plate.

That’s enough words from me for the time being, however.

[night-night-stories-before-bed]

Partners in crime

Warning ⚠️; Blood, murder, mention of child murder.

Pairing; Ghostface/Gn!Reader

Summary; People never learn from the past and you use it to your advantage. Because what’s better than one killer? Two.

~~~~~~~~~~~

The police station was eerily quiet as you sat on a plastic chair facing the detective behind his desk. The man had crossed his hands under his chin and closed his eyes, his face showing how heavy the burden of his investigation was. The man grinded his teeth before opening his eyes to stare at you.

Legs crossed and back pressed against your chair, you weren't impressed by the situation. You felt no remorse nor fear, knowing how safe you actually were. They had no proof, not enough evidence to lock you up in a cell. Not after the new murder. Not after Ghostface had slaughtered two more people while you were being interrogated and manhandled by the man in front of you.

- “I think I deserve an apology, detective.” You said, tilting your head to the side. “Probably even more than that after you humiliated me in front of everyone and ruined my fucking life.”

- “Listen here, everything pointed to you. I don't have to give you an apology or anything just because I was doing my job.” The detective snapped, almost throwing himself back against his own chair as he raised his head, his ego bruised by what you said. “Besides, now everyone knows you are innocent and were just some kind of scapegoat.”

- “Is that supposed to make me feel better? Give me back my job, the salary I lost or erase what my family and friends told me?”

To that, the man had nothing to say. There was no way for him to rewind time and do things correctly. He had wanted fame for catching the killer and forgot your were human. Forgot that you were innocent until proven guilty. Now he was the one being humiliated and ridiculized for messing up and a part of you hoped he would lose his job.

Because he had been right.

You were the masked killer. Or rather, one of them. There were two of you and no one seemed to have realized it, but it was true you and your partner had been more than careful to not leave any proof behind. You had been the careless one and now your partner had to save your ass.

That pissed you off because you knew he wouldn't shut up about it and would tease you relentlessly for the foreseeable future. What a mess.

And the fact the detective had identified you drew a target on his back. You needed him gone. Fired at least, dead at best. He was a threat and you needed to take care of him now.

- “Anyway, you are free to go.” The detective said, turning away from you and faking focusing on his screen.

Free, you got up from the chair and collected your things back. On your way out, you began texting your acolyte and told him to pick you up. You two had a lot to talk about but of course, not on the phone nor by texto.

Outside the rain was pouring like crazy and it took less than a minute for you to be soaked to the bone. In the middle of autumn, it wasn't the best thing to happen to you, but better than to be in the police station. You could feel the eyes and judgement of the people who walked by. They knew who you were and what you had been accused of. But they weren't important so you ignored their staring.

Your partner soon arrived and you quickly jumped on the seat next to him. After slamming the door he drove away in silence. Eyes closed, you rested your head and tried to calm your racing heartbeat. That had been a close call. Too close.

You could still feel your bones shaking as adrenaline still filled your veins. You smiled weakly when you felt your partner’s hand on your thigh, squeezing it gently in sign of support. Having him there, right by you was the only comfort you needed. Your friend, your soulmate, your partner in crime. Together you were unstoppable.

You opened your eyes and turned your attention to your partner. His eyes were staring at the road and you could see anger and determination in them. He was as pissed as you about what had happened, but at least he had the decency to stay quiet and not say anything about how you fucked up.

- “So. What are we gonna do?” He asked, hands grabbing the wheel tighter. “Your call.”

- “We fear him apart.” You simply said, resting your head against the cold window. “Tonight, we are going to make him and his whole fucking family pay.”

- “Good for me. I leave the kids to you.”

You nodded, eyes watching the scenery pass, the rain blurring the window but still allowing you to see.

- “First the kid, then the wife and we finish with him”

- “Aye, going to drive him mad! Oh, can I deal with his wife please, please, please!”

- “You saved my ass, do as you wish.”

You loved the terror you spread in town as much as the fear in your victims’ eyes as life left them. Tracking and playing with them, was your partner’s favourite but you two hated the same thing; waiting. The wait was definitely the worse part about being a killer. You had to observe and wait for the perfect time while the only thing you wanted was to paint the whole place red.

Hidding in the woods behind the detective’s house, you watched as his wife came home before him with the kids. His little spawns ran around, laughing and screaming as they played unsupervised, their mother too busy preparing dinner inside. It would be so easy to just scoop them up and make them disappear.

And that exactly what you did.

They never got a chance to scream, your gloved hand clasped shut on their mouths.

The sun set quickly and soon the woods were filled with cops and volunteers who hoped the find the kids. Little did they know, it was already too late. You had made quick work of sending them to see their grandparents but had put them in a mise en scène just for their father to find.

Obviously, you weren't part of the searching party.

You went back home, savouring the fruitful night by rewatching the Stabs movies with your partner. After all, you weren't supposed to know the detective’s kids were missing and after his accusations you had no reason to help him. You ignored your phone as long as you could until you had no choice but to reply to your “friends”, reassuring them you were fine and relaxing with your partner and didn't know anything.

It was predictable that the detective would come and confront you, but you still almost jumped off your skin. The pounding on your door almost scared you to death, but it was your boyfriend who confronted him through the door as he called the cops.

You listened to your partner and the detective screaming match, a knife in hand. If things escalated you wouldn't hesitate to guts the fucker and throw the plan out the window. Thankfully, two cops’ car showed up and the detective left with them.

You didn't need to talk for you and your boyfriend to understand each other. You both knew what was left to do that night. It was time to finish your business with the detective.

You waited in the woods, satisfied to see not only the yellow tapes but also the absence of any police cars. No one was there to watch over the house or their colleague, you had made sure of it with your partner. You didn't want to get caught, not now, not when you were about to get your revenge.

Once the sun as fully disappeared and the house was wrapped in darkness, you acted. In silence, you broke inside the house and split to be able to find the woman quicker. It was your boyfriend who got his hands on her first and he didn't give her the time to scream. He walked in the living room, her unconscious body on his shoulder and you could imagine the grin under the mask.

He dropped her on the floor with a loud thud before he gaged her. You gave him the rope and let him tie her like a saucisson while you walked around the room. Pictures of a happy family hang on the walls and the sight made you sneer. There was also pictures of the detective with his boss and other important people. You chuckled. Where were they? Not here, not protecting his wife.

You sat in the armchair after turning it to face the sofa. Legs crossed, you stared at the woman without words as she woke up. Her whimpers and tears didn't do anything but amuse you. You raised a hand and pointed at your partner, making her turn her head. She screamed, but the gag prevented the sound from coming out, as your boyfriend stabbed her in the belly.

He didn't stop there. Over and over again the blade fell on the woman like a brush on a canvas and her blood became the paint. It soon formed a puddle around her and after a long moment, she stopped moving. Yet, your partner wasn't finished. You shiver in disgust as he opened her up like a pig and cuts out her heart. He left it on a plate with a fake flower he grabbed somewhere in the house.

- “Done?” You asked and he nodded. “Good, let's go. I don't want to be inside when he finds her. Once he gets inside, we need to act quickly. He will call the cops and they'll be here in minutes.”

And so the waiting began again. You sat outside in the woods on a bed of dried leaves and sticks, back against a tree. Your partner watched, mounting guard, his back against the same tree as you with his arms crossed. Neither of you spoke, not wanting the risk to be spotted.

But you still interacted with each other.

Sometimes he would nudge you to get your attention, then make a small dance or just flip you off for the heck of it. You weren't better, hitting him with sticks or throwing dead leaves at him.

Then, the Detective came home.

It was time to finish the night in beauty.

You followed inside, quiet, as his scream echoed in the house. Under your mask, you smiled and pulled out your knife. With careful steps, you made your way to the living room and found the Detective cradling his wife’s headless body while crying. Behind you, your partner sneaked into the shadows and went hiding in a dark corner in silence.

You entered the living room and stepped behind the grieving man, resting your blade against his neck. You smiled as you saw him tensing in fear.

- “What's the matter, Detective? You didn't expect me tonight?” You asked, your synthetic voice filling the room.

- “You son of bitch! Why?” He asked, slightly turning his head as you took off your mask. “You! You… how…”

At the same time, your partner revealed himself, toying with his knife and slowly dancing. You saw surprise and shock appear on the defective’s face and you laughed.

- “Surprise! I am not alone, I never was.” You said, quickly sinking your knife in his throat.

You didn't wait and pulled out the blade and stabbed him again, but this time in the chest as he grabbed his neck trying to stop the bleeding. Gurgles left his mouth while blood rolled down his chin. It wasn't long until he laid dead in a puddle of his wife's and his own blood.

You stared at his corpse, tilting your head. He went down quicker than expected, but you were happy it was over. No one would suspect you anymore.

You slowly lifted your head and shared a look with your partner. He was there, applauding you as if you gave him the best spectacle in the world. You chuckled and put your mask back before bowing to him.

You two left the house and made your way back home. You hid your costumes in their usual place and went for a long shower. Under the warm jet, you savoured your boyfriend’s kisses and tender caress. Tonight again you had been the perfect duo and it only made you feel pride. Unlike any other Ghostface, it seemed that your duo might actually win.

And who knows? Maybe one day you'll feel bold enough to go after Sydney Prescott herself but until then, you'll enjoy your victories.

[lex9923]

Tw// SA

This will be my one and only official statement on this situation, because frankly I’m done with all of this mental hopscotch happening.

I am a sexual assault victim. I was the same age as Caiti is now when it happened, and I was cornered with his hands down my pants touching my vagina and up my shirt touching my boobs, while I tried to get away and make it stop. I still to this day don’t know who my attacker was, but it will follow me for the rest of my life. It’s been five years since then, and my story has not changed once. Not ever. I hadn’t told people for a couple years cause I thought since I didn’t know who my attacker was, I wouldn’t be believed. As well as the fact that I came forward about a sexual harassment I faced at a job and was met with “well, boys will be boys”. Through it all, I am here, and I survived.

Watching the reaction to this situation from both of the main parties involved, those who weren’t there, those who were, and the fans had sent me spiraling. I’ve spent the past two weeks reliving that trauma from five years ago cause I thought I misinterpreted my assault as something else. I had not, and never have. It’s been incredibly invalidating watching the alleged “victim” change the story multiple times, make fake texts, omit important information, all while not even listening to the person she accused of a criminally offensive act.

Caiti is absolutely allowed to feel uncomfortable and regret what happened after the fact, but it is not, and will not ever be assault-unless George actually did touch her boobs, and then that will be a different discussion, but with her credibility disappearing, I’ll only believe it if he admits it himself. I’m trying to extend grace to her being young, sexually inexperienced, and caught up in online culture, but it’s hard the longer this gets dragged out. There are things you do when approaching a situation like this:

1. You absolutely need to provide evidence and proof of your claims. You can’t prove something that never happened, but you can prove something that did. It’s why it’s innocent until proven guilty. Expecting people to blindly believe you is delusional at worst and ignorant at best.

2. You must absolutely have your story 100% correct and factual to how you perceived what happened, before bringing forth any accusations. Using purposefully charged language and then changing the story to match the one you accused is not it. Nor is changing your story yet again when people are catching on to the inconsistencies.

3. Allow the accused person to defend themself. You can’t expect people to listen to all of your claims-most of them blindly doing so-and then get upset when people wait for both sides to say their piece, especially when you present no evidence at your initial statement. Again, you have to prove guilt. If you can’t prove it, the accused are allowed to defend themself.

4. You are in no way obligated to accept apologies, but acknowledging one was made-multiple times in fact- is the bare minimum. Trying to change your story one last time to make it seem even worse than what you both agreed upon, and then hiding behind “I’m not going to address this anymore” is manipulative at worst and cowardly at best.

I hope Caiti gets therapy, cause it’s clear she’s been severely affected by something, though I��m not sure she even knows what it is. I also hope she learns from this, and next time utilizes the “direct message” function every single app has. This could have been a dm, and the way it spiraled has been a shitshow and her intentions are coming off less and less pure the more this gets dragged out. I’m so sorry she was uncomfortable, and regretful, but until she shows any proof whatsoever of any assault happening, it will never be. I hope she heals, and I hope she gets better friends cause they have all failed her.

For George, I’m sorry this got blown so out of proportion and no one even privately talked to him about any uncomfortability being felt. I’m sorry his friends are performative. I’m hopeful that he was made aware of things he wasn’t before, and will do better next time. He is not irredeemable, and I believe growth is possible (the difference in his two responses proves as such). I hope this isn’t the last we see of him or his content, and I hope he can heal from this as well.

To my fellow SA survivors, I’m so incredibly sorry that our trauma has been thrown around like this. Our hurt and pain do not deserve to be mocked in this way, and I wish it would’ve never even happened. You’re stronger than what happened, regardless of how shitty this situation has been for us. And as a 24 year old, I like to consider myself a big sister of sorts, so I love all of you. We got through it then, we’ll do it again.

Speaking woman to woman, I’m sorry this has been so messed up. This will make it harder for us to come forward in the future and that is indescribably frustrating. However, that does not take away from the pain and hurt we went through, and I hope if you do have the strength to come forward, you are believed.

I’m done with this whole situation. It should not have come to this point, and if you stayed this far, I greatly appreciate you reading this. One last time. Caiti, I’m sorry you were so uncomfortable. Get therapy, better friends, and take a break from the internet. George, I hope you learn from this situation, and I’m sorry you were made out to be a criminally offensive person before giving your side or anyone ever speaking to you.

I hope you both heal.

I hope sexual assault victims having to relive trauma, and are affected by this continue to heal.

I love you all.

Lex

[theadhddimsenion]

we’ve done a lot of theories on how the internal plot lines of hell will develop but let’s not ignore the earth based plot lines and how they might tie into the greater story.

my guess is that Andy and Stella’s screw ups won’t stop at just making a scene at the harvest moon festival and ruining a crop but the coming invasion of hell by the dhorks is going to be pinned on them as vassago cleverly points out that such things would have never happened under stolas’s watch. Andy might try to pin the blame on stolas for alerting the humans to their existence by giving the imp the book but this time the “guilty until proven innocent” court system turns on him and he has no real proof that stolas’s actions are linked to the human invasion beyond his, Stella’s or strikers word which is far from enough or even trustworthy.

now the imp population is throughly pissed off! Because in the span of a few weeks to a month a pair of blue blooded pricks had not only tried to execute one of them for daring to do something other than serve them, (stolas’s had allegedly) manipulated and abused the one who was on the chopping block, Stella had caused a massive public scene with her usual bullshit, Andy had fucked up the years harvest causing a good shortage and had even led the humans right to them which had gotten several (relatively) innocent hellborn killed and now it’s almost impossible for the nobles to ignore the fact that this time the imps wouldn’t be put down as easily and now they had a leader and the angelic weapons needed to do some real damage!!

as I said in my last post this all leads to paimon trying to bribe his son into selling out blitz but failing miserably and being forced to remarry his Version of Stella.

now everything is in chaos! The ruling class of hell has few options left and those are ether destroy all of impkind which even if they can would mean the complete destruction of hells main source of labor, they can give up their power which will never happen, or there is one last option that none of them particularly like and that is giving into the lower classes demands and actually making good leadership decisions.

finally for the first time ever the ruling class of hell is forced to surrender and wave the 🏳️ and while they would rather die or see all of impkind dead before they give up their power entirely they at least are forced to give the imps (and hounds) the ability to climb up the ranks like any other demon in hell which prevents further civil war.

During this arc I can definitely see bee and Ozzie subtly sabotaging the war plan of the other sins due to them being more sympathetic to the so called “enemy” than the other sins.

Perhaps we could have moxxie taking control of his fathers mob after killing his rat shit of a dad to further bolster the ranks of revolution.

this could tie into the Octavia rescue episode as well as after hearing about blitz and his found family take on a get one over on none other than the king of the goetia himself than this could further radicalize the lower classes.

perhaps in a poetic way of justice satan sentences Stella and Andy to the same punishment stolas got but for much longer as a way of appeasing the downtrodden of hell. It’s not just ironic because they get the same thing stolas got but for the opposite reason stolas’s was punished, stolas was punished because the upper class wanted to pin the blame on someone and make the issue go away but now the two of the biggest symptoms of the classist system are being punished as a desperate means to appease the very lower classes they looked down on. In short stolas and blitz were made into scapegoats to deflect blame from the upper class and now Stella and Andy get the same treatment. What goes around comes around as they say.

perhaps the food shortage problem and Stella and Andy’s jackassery at the harvest moon festival could be a way to tie Millie’s family into the plot.

[carpedzem]

hi

under the cut i want to talk a little bit, maybe overshare as well. ill try to keep it short (rereading nat here. i didnt). its a sad post, might make some of you angry but not for the reasons you think

i was staying away on purpose, but a few people asked about me so i wanted to let you know that hey, im lurking, im waiting to see what happens. maybe some things will change in the future but im putting it out here so its all in one place

i think i want to start with saying thank you again for sticking around, supporting my art and my thoughts and having discussions with me. i really opened up about myself and what I created here. im very anxious person and it influences my life on every level, so being heard, seeing people laughing at my jokes, loving my art has been so so important to me

about the situation, the gogcident if you will, i logged out as soon as i saw things going down and been getting updates though different source. and while situation is still on going and i dont know where it will go, as how it ends, theres two or three things im firm on that will always be true for me:

i really hate how believe all victims turns into believe everyone who speaks first, no matter what they say, no matter context, no matter proof. the first statement made in this case was untrue in a lot of important details and while i dont think caitis feeling are wrong or invalid i think her first statement made this situation into something it isnt. i think every victim should be heard but attacking everyone who was accused right away is not a solution

i do believe that everyone who was accused of anything has every right to defend themselves. the way its constantly taken away from dteam is not lost on me and its insane and upsetting

you can be traumatized by the events that werent in its core meant to be traumatizing. sometimes people act shitty and leave scars on you and sometimes you can do the same to other people

edited note bc i want this to be here as well: guilty until proven innocent is a crazy mindset and i cannot imagine situation that i would allow it. some idiots dont even realise how dangerous rhetoric that is. including accusers not being obligated to provide any proof of their claims

twt is the worst thing to deal with any discourse, misunderstanding or any delicate situation. i think no ones there cares for any victims period. i wish that place the worst

okay so what now. i havent decided yet. georges and dreams moves so far confirmed for me that no matter what happened it wasnt with malicious intentions. ill wait to see how this plays out and then ill decide about my next steps. one think i did for sure is i uninstalled twt from my phone (and that already bit my ass the moment dream started his space…) that part of fandom, both people who like (liked?) and hate dream is so damn self-destructive, toxic, manipulative and performative it wasnt worth it anymore. for here, i dont know yet. i dont hate dteam, i think this is very unfortunate and sad and complicated situation that left people very deeply hurt. and i wish it wasnt this way and im pretty sure dteam also wish that. but they cant change it and i cant change it even more

now this is something i dont really know how to tell you but let me try. i never mentioned this bc when i had those realizations, it was too late, everyone moved on and i felt stupid for dwelling on this. i feel stupid now, typing this. the thing is, drituation left me quite traumatized. fucking pathetic, i know. the sudden explosion of fandom left me really badly hurt. i lost a lot of people i genuinely believed to be friends with, and i miss them dearly. i felt, fuck it, still feel deeply betrayed by some of them. i dont want people guess who is who thats not the point, those people moved on long time ago. but that hurt has been really difficult to deal with, especially since realistically i know its quite stupid. crying over some people who were following me back for a few months? but i tried to let myself heal and grow love for this community again and i thought we will be okay. drituation felt like the end of the world but we got through it and I thought we are smarter. and well. im not trying to blame anyone or even a whole community, idk maybe i want to blame the universe for putting me here or society for working this way i dont know. but im hurting and i need to find a better way to deal with things going the wrong way. and it deeply upsets me but im afraid that i have to learn how to love you all less. and i honestly dont know yet what that means, how moving forward will look like. i dont have to make this decision now so i let myself stay away from social media for a while still and then go with presented situation the best i can. i dont try to make anyone responsible for my wellbeing i want to make this clear. im just trying to share my feelings and give you context for whatever happen in the nearest future. no matter what i need more healthy relationship not even with ccs but with community itself (and if you see me rebloging hazbin hotel fanarts. spare me...)

in this place i do want to state that no matter what i dont think dteam are bad people. im not closing myself at possibility of participating in the fandom, probably less though things i mentioned earlier. but if any of those things make you uncomfortable in any way, feel free to unfollow/softblock

im leaving my askbox open if anyone has anything to say, add, or idk, scream at me. not sure if i answer any tho. also if i delete this post in the next 10 minutes out of embarrassment then well, haha

on the final note i want once again thank you all for supporting me when i needed help for my cat. you all did something amazing, something i will never forget and i wish to hug everyone of you in person. thank you

see you around. one day. maybe tomorrow maybe in 10 days. idk

and if you are moving on in different direction, if we ever meet again, dont be a stranger

[ceasarslegion]

Im gonna be real with yall seeing the state of callout culture on the internet tells me that none of you actually know what "believe the victims" means.

You arent gonna wanna hear this but it means "when people present evidence that something bad has happened to them, believe them." NOT "blindly believe every inflammatory claim against someone you see on the internet" because you dont know what the motives behind the latter are. You dont know the person making the claim.

And evidence means "things that provide proof BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT," not "out of context discord screenshots that can be incredibly easily photoshopped to look legitimate."

And also by the way, this goes not double but triple for claims of extremely vile things that can ruin peoples lives if you play guilty-until-proven-innocent with. Im not going to perpetuate this shit against people i dont know when i dont know you or your motives either. And besides, if you actually do have legitimate evidence for disgusting claims against someone else, why the fuck are you writing a tumblr callout post instead of going to THE AUTHORITIES OR A LAWYER if you really do care about the victims???

[alarrytale]

I still don´t know what is my opinion about what is currently happening around Liam but since it´s trendy to sh*t on him, fuel the drama and basically to cancel him, I saw a lot of posts from h*rries who ofc need to fuel the fire (eventho they are mostly solos) and they are posting videos from 1D times as a proof that H absolutely hated Liam and was done with him multiple times during interviews. Is that true or it´s just h*rries being h*rries who just like to cause more drama and need to prove everyone that ofc his fave and untouched idol H knew about Liam being a sh*t person eversince and hated/hates him for a reason. When the photo of Liam and Niall dropped, I saw comments how Niall took a photo with him because he had no other option (literally was forced to it) and the only person who can stand him is Louis. But ofc Louis is also a bad guy so bad guys go hand in hand with each other.

Hi, anon!

There is so much drama and i'm just watching it all wishing people would stop, breathe and think. I've seen so many bad takes with no foundation in reality.

I see so many fans who's started sharing their own abuse stories, and a lot of people have gone through similar things that MH is describing themselves. I think they feel a kinship and feel like they weren't heard, understood and acknowledged when it happened to them, and now they're taking their pain out on Liam. They're projecting and creating more hate and drama, while forgetting that we've still only heard one side of the story. I feel for them and what they've gone through, but i also don't think Liam deserves all the hate directed at him.

I also see a divide between fans who think MH and Liam were a fake relationship for PR (or bearding) vs. Those who think it was a real relationship and everything MH saying is the truth. I also see people yell "believe women" while other yell "innocent until proven guilty". What annoys me the most is people conflating the different stories coming out. Liam can have sent fans dick pics or sexted them, without having done anything to MH. These things have nothing to do with each other. The fans saying that the other 1D members hate Liam and don't want him around is simply not true. We've got evidence of the opposite.

I wish people would not react so emotionally and project so much of their own pain and experience with abusive men onto Liam and this situation. Maybe then they'd be able to see things more objectively, sort out fact from fiction, distinguish between people who pile on for clout and attention and people sharing real stories, because tensions are running too high right now to find out what's actually going on. People are too busy policing others on how they should feel and validate each others feelings so there is no room to parse through all the information that's brought forward.

When people are ready for it i want them to consider some things;

Have Liam in any way acted carelessly, abusive, inconsiderately to any gf before? Or shown any behaviour that would lead us to believe he's aggressive or emotionally manipulative? Aka have there been any prior signs?

Does MH have an agenda, benefits in any way from this story coming out or wants attention? Has she proven to be truthful before or been caught lying or changing her story? Is it possible that it was a toxic relationship where MH was giving as good as she was getting, and they're both equally to blame? Does Liam show any signs of having been in a abusive relationship?

Is Liam in a postition to speak up to defend himself? Is it possible that there are contracts stopping him from revealing certain things about the nature of their relationship that would prove he's not to blame? Considering the iron claw image clauses all the 1D boys have been under since the start of 1D?

Is it possible that Liam is guilty of sexting fans, but not anything of what MH is claiming to be true? Is it possible that all of Liam's relationships have been for PR purposes, to make him more interesting to pap and to project on to, and he's been texting other women while in these PR relationships?

I know what i believe to be true, based on the information i have about all this. I also know that MH is too unreliable, considering the context of which this happened, to automatically default to "believe women". I need to hear what Liam has got to say, he deserves to be heard. So that's where i'm at.

[uncanny-tranny]

As someone who suffered from Munchausen-by-proxy I don't think you understand what happens when people fake medical conditions for themselves or their children. Some of us die. You'd rather a thousand people risk dying from medicine or treatments they don't need than someone point out that their self diagnosis doesn't make sense?

I'm not sure if you were taking what I said in that post in bad faith, but what I was saying in that post, essentially, was I would rather people be actually treated rather than assumed to be guilty of faking until proven innocent. I would rather it come out that somebody was faking than risk a truly disabled person suffering or worse because they were assumed to be a faker. In fact, I also outlined my thoughts further in the tags (which I don't blame you if you didn't read them):

[Image Description: A screenshot of tags I left on my post (plaintext): And there's a difference not many people seem to recognize between faking and realizing you don't have [x] problem, such as realizing you don't have [x] disorder because it is instead [y] disorder, or you haven't completely understood your care needs, your symptoms,what helps you. And some people see ANY change in your understanding of your disability as proof of maliciously faking. When I suppose in my personal experience, people don't *maliciously* fake disability. I'm not saying it could never happen, but that i don't think it's the *only* thing motivating people called "fakers." I just think, like most everything, this is complex and nuanced because it's a *human* experience. (End Description)]

I get where you're coming from, but I think that's a different conversation. What bothers me about this ask is that this isn't treating the topic of faking with nuance, either. Not everybody who will fake a disorder will have Factitious Disorder, and not everybody who would abuse another through medical means would have it, either. People have been abused by people through medical means, yes, but that is absolutely not necessary to fake disorders and why someone would fake one in the first place.

People tend to apply the "faker" label very loosely in order to deny care to people they think "don't need" or "don't deserve" care. I'm sorry, but that is needless suffering, too. I never fucking said people deserve to risk dying or actually die, and I would appreciate it greatly if you wouldn't shove those words into my mouth. I'm trying to be understanding toward your point of view, but it comes across as though my words are being twisted into the worst faith possible in order to condescend to me as to why I don't understand this topic at all.

[teriyakichop]

"with her whole chest"

And right when I tell people to stop poking the bear, right when I try to be at peace...you sensationalist motherfuckers just LOVE to keep shit going. So, let this marinate through your thick fucking skulls. Hey, Anonymous! It sucks that it burns you so badly that new members join First Vindicaar Templari. Well, you're soon gonna be a chunk of brimstone because First Vindicaar Templari continues to grow, continues to thrive, and continues to move on. You know why? Because the allegations against us, WERE. NOT. TRUE. You know why we don't run? You know why we don't hide? You know why we don't dodge? You know why we continue to grow? BECAUSE. THE. ALLEGATIONS. WERE. NOT. TRUE. I've already debunked it. The people that needed to see the truth have seen it, and we're THRIVING. You guys are arguing about outdated intel. I strongly advise that you get up to date. @spinesubs. I didn't indoctrinate anyone. The reason why when you show them "evidence" of what is going on they tell you that you're harassing them and they block you, is VERY simple. You show them a document that has "Evidence" and then I show them ANOTHER document that DEBUNKS your "evidence." The difference is, in MY document, I use YOUR "evidence" as proof that what you idiots claim to be true, is actually false. OTHERWISE, I tell them "The door is right there, if you want to leave, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out." And guess what? They stay. They recommend their friends to join, and then their friends join, and they love it in the Templari. You know why? Because we're a guild of adults. We know bullshit when it happens, and the allegations and "evidence" was proven to be bullshit. Here's a tip: JUST because YOU think nothing is happening in the background, doesn't mean we aren't making moves and taking action. And finally, @superspecialsecretassignment, as I said to everyone, IF the allegations were TRUE, players would be GONE. But the allegations were NOT true. Yet y'all probably want me to punish players for something they didn't do. That's not how justice works. That's not how "innocent until proven guilty" works. With the "evidence" that was held against us, there is not a single Lawyer in the United States that would incriminate, prosecute, or even DEFEND the evidence y'all have against us, because the second they see MY document, they're going to realize that they are in a world of shit. And the hilarious part of all of this is, you guys claim anyone and everyone to be a pedo, and the INVERSE effect happens, where NO ONE is a Pedo, and ACTUAL Pedos slip through the cracks! Your case actually hurts YOUR argument, and makes MY CASE STRONGER! It never dawned on any of you to say to yourselves "Hey, Maybe Yuliyrel has something. I should befriend her and see if she would let me see her debunking document." --but nope, your pride won't let you do that. It's too much for you to cope with the fact that you all got taken for suckers! A cruel joke was played on y'all at your own expense and First Vindicaar Templari is not only still standing, but doing well. And one last thing to you sensationalists. You'll sit here and wish that Draenei RP wasn't so dire. Sucks to be you, because First Vindicaar Templari doesn't have that problem. We CREATE WONDERFUL Draenei themed RP, and we would LOVE to have you all come along for the ride and enjoy what we have to offer. Unfortunately, your pride gets in the way. We'll leave the light on for y'all. We have some AWESOME Draenei themed RP events coming in 2025. <3

[possiblyunhinged]

I'm taking a fresh tactic to showcase my over it feelings about sexual violence, misogyny in the UK, and—let’s be clear—an active disinterest in men. I’ve officially reached my "I can't be fucking arsed anymore" stage of life when it comes to attempting to reason with a society that just fucking hates women.

I'm going to start barking, everybody. Maybe even the occasional bite here and there. Since women aren’t allowed to defend ourselves, I’ve decided it’s time to go full Daniel Day-Lewis—method acting my way into the crazy girl role.

Before you accuse me of misandry: I have a Dad, and I tell everyone I love him, so clearly I can’t be a misandrist... those are the rules, right?!

Here’s the thing: while men bend over backwards to argue that "innocent until proven guilty" is a fair stance in a country where less than 1% of rape cases even get charged—let alone convicted—I can only assume they’re not just indifferent to women’s safety; they’re actively disinterested. If your 'lateral-brained, facts over feelings' stance ignores the basic humanity of half the population, I can’t see why barking in your face isn’t an appropriate response.

The UK justice system gaslights women. 1 in 4 women experience sexual assault as adults, and harassment starts far earlier. I was 12 when I was first groped on a train—right around the time builders decided I was fair game for wolf-whistling. Teachers warned us: if you’re lost, never ask a man on his own for help.

With the 'justice system' harbouring more sex pests than the BBC, it’s no wonder so many women don’t make it past the 'being treated like shit' stage of reporting violence.

In 2017, the BBC (ironic, I know) revealed that 700 officers were accused of domestic abuse—most faced no consequences. A 2022 HMICFRS report found that officers with histories of sexual misconduct, domestic abuse, and dishonesty weren’t just retained; some were promoted.

And yet, the moment the word "accused" is uttered, spines bristle: "Well, anyone can be accused!" Sure. False accusations happen. But why must all women bear the burden of a few “crazies”? How can men expect us to be kind, functioning participants in society if they think we’re innately liars? Honestly, what’s the fucking point in being nice at all?

Maybe when 88% of violent crimes are committed by women, I’ll spare a shred of sympathy. Maybe. Until then, #notallwomen.

But I’m not just a witch plucking hair out of strangers’ bonnets and cursing them from my cat-hair-ridden lair. Rape reforms would be a fab place to start—you know, so rapists actually go to prison and not just people in high-vis protesting fossil fuels.

Let’s look at Sweden—proof that people can show active concern for violence against women and girls. Back in 1999, they expanded their definition of violence against women to include psychological violence, stalking, and economic abuse. By 2018, they introduced a sexual consent law, making sex without explicit consent illegal. Two years later, rape convictions rose by 75%. Imagine that—a system that recognises women as people.

It’s wild to me that the prevalence and threat of violence to women and girls is so bad that even the MET (a group of the worst people on the planet) argue it’s an epidemic on par with terrorism.

And yet, when women say they’re opting out of romantic relationships with men, it’s painted as “sowing their own suffering.” But young men seem far more interested in attaining a standard of masculinity promoted by sex traffickers and failed comedians than they are in being in the presence of women. So I fail to see how it’s not a win-win for them.

When they insist that women don’t want kind, funny, ab-less men, I can’t help but feel they’re describing what they actually want in an unqualified podcast messiah to drool over.

[ashzawkward]

kill yourself. you support a abuser.

awh how sweet! a shubble supporter who has no proof, evidence, or anything! so you are saying we need evidence to prove wilburs innocence but you dont? what happened to innocent until proven guilty? also, its an abuser, not a abuser.

lots of love, ya girl ash xx💋

[blockgamepirate]

I feel a little bit conflicted about the "always believe the victims" slogan

Obviously I understand the reasons it exists, because all too often victims aren't believed, but the thing that bothers me is that it kind of assumes that you'll always be able to magically know who the victim is

And to be clear, this isn't about Shubble, I fully believe Shubble, I have every reason to believe Shubble and she deserves all the support she gets

But I'm thinking about cases like Cellbit, where I think a lot of us did believe his ex, because you're supposed to always believe the victim right?

And what about all the people who constantly try to cancel trans women even right here on this website?

I've seen this happen to a friend of mine as well, although I don't want to get into the details of that case; I understand if you think I'm biased in favour of my friend but I do have good reasons to believe them over their accuser, including the fact that the accuser in question had all the financial power in that relationship all while taking advantage of my friend and only made the accusation after they could no longer exploit my friend for money; people still believed the accuser though, because they were very good at playing the role of a fragile little flower to their followers online, and so my friend had to both move to a different state and effectively nuke their entire online presence (not to mention that for years they even believed some of the accusations themself, and it took a long time for them to realise that they'd been gaslit into thinking they were the abusive one)

So it can be very dangerous to always believe every accusation, especially when there's a risk of ruining an innocent person's life (and it's one thing if it's a rich streamer, but my friend was not rich or even wealthy, and neither are most of the trans women on Tumblr or on other platforms for that matter)

I do still think that it's important to take people seriously when they come forward with these kinds of stories, absolutely. You should never dismiss anyone without careful consideration.

(And I mean I made a whole post earlier about how "innocent until proven guilty" can be misused to completely ignore accusations by misunderstanding what that phrase is intended for in the first place, which is to avoid convicting an innocent person (not that judicial systems are very good at employing it). Obviously I'm not here to say you have to get irrefutable proof for everything before believing it (although you should still get that irrefutable proof before punishing the culprit, that's the difference IMO))

But of course I also get that "take people seriously when they say they've been victimised" is not a very catchy slogan

idk, maybe someone will come up with a better one

And maybe one day we'll also figure out better ways to deal with these kinds of situations (who knows, one can always hope)

Maybe when we learn to deal with uncertainty in a constructive way. And hopefully also learn to let go of retributive justice

Anyway, either way: support victims, hold abusers accountable, just try not to fall for smear campaigns either

[seraphxp]

Okay so this is out of my regular / usual content but since it’s resurfacing I guess I’d like to take part in the discussion.

I am neutral on both sides with both Melanie Martinez and Timothy Heller. I feel both of their stories don’t make sense so I’d like to try and clear stuff up in my own head.

TW: possible mentions of Sa and 🍇

I found out about this drama going down about a couple weeks ago on tiktok and in the beginning of it all, honestly I was on Melanie’s side. Before you decide to throw me to the sharks, I would just like to say that i was adamant and refused to believe someone like Melanie could do something that bad… but that view quickly shifted to, “im on Melanie’s side because people love to make allegations about this all the time for clout.”

However, I then did some searching around and decided maybe hey, innocent until proven guilty. While I haven’t found enough evidence of a case of S.A. happening since most of Timothy’s claims of when it happened didn’t make sense along with the story of the images. But, I do think it’s entirely possible that she’s been a victim. A celebrity doing this to someone isn’t unheard of, but the reason I found it absurd was because Melanie really seemed like a good person and for a while she was my role model and idol.

But, after she posted a literal song and not even acknowledging the allegations at all really made me think, “wow, that’s the mindset of an abuser.” It honestly reminded me of Colleen and, no, Piggyback was not an apology song. It was an immature way of telling Timothy that no one will believe Tim because she’s a filthy liar. No. Even if Melanie was innocent she shouldn’t react that way. The audacity of her to make herself into a victim instead ADDRESSING what happened, pisses me off.

This all went down in 2017 and I’ve seen Timothy’s video and I hope that maybe things can be cleared up. I believe in change, even if the person was problematic, but if they only apologize to gain back their status…. Then i absolutely would still hate them. I feel horrible for Timothy, seriously, no one should ever have to go through that and I was relieved to find out she was actually okay. However, her story is flawed and a bit confusing. But, she has more of an understanding tone, trying to explain the actions of herself and Melanie. I guess understanding isn’t the word but I mean trying to provide context and proof of what did happen. Those backfired, of course and Melanie decided to just say “wasn’t me” instead of actually addressing what happened or what might’ve happened or actually acknowledging what she’s been accused of.

Also, just a bonus but I love to watch interrogations and honestly Melanie’s claim is the least believable. Melanie is in complete denial (at least in 2017) about it and literally doesn’t own up or even discuss it at all. This is a huge red flag, even if some of the evidence Tim has contradicts itself, it’s still more believable with Melanie’s reaction.

Just my opinion, I feel like Melanie needs to address this like an adult instead of just playing victim.

[evita-shelby]

https://twitter.com/stevie_mat/status/1668312356257157120?t=FpP47kQyljumTnoMis7Npg&s=19 everyone seeing the red flags, you should start seeing them too 🙄

Look until we get further proof that what Malena Rios said, i am withholding judgement about this.

She had the balls to go after Juan Antonio Vera Carrizal despite being a literal death sentence from her(thats her ex who put a hit on her because as an influential politician he had that sort of power and had criminals throw acid at her face and actuallyput his ass in prison(a miracle in itself in Mexico)) but her saying she was afraid of an actor that just made it big and that the system would gladly prosecute him given her influence as an activist is a bit strange.

Especially when the abuse happened right before Wakanda Forever came out and his net worth skyrocketed.

That is what i pointed out.

Any man can be an abuser(look at Johnny Depp who was guilty of abuse after all on at least 1 count despite all his fans believing him innocent), and an Activist wouldn't be so stupid to risk her entire credibility and platform for a quick shot at ruining her ex's career with a tweet knowing she's about to damn every latino in the us when we just started getting places and every person suffering abuse in mexico over ruining her ex's career when he is not even really up there yet.

With Johnathan Majors we got more than a twitter thread, we had actual reports of him assaulting his gf to the point she lost consciousness.

With her we only have her words, and while they may be true until we have actual proof (like we get in most abuse cases)that this abuse happened, it's really his word against hers.

All i am saying is we need her to prove it because this is a very serious allegation on both sides.

If proven to be lying she fucks over every mexican in both the us and mexico because racists will just believe anything that suites them and neither government actually cares for victims of abuse amd she had one of the liudest voices out there, if proven true he needs to pay for his crimes amd Marvel needs to take its background checks seriously and maybe more things will be done for abuse victims.

Oh and P.S: I am aromantic asexual, i dont want to fuck him, date him or anything.

I simply know abuse victims who have never been giving the justice they deserved and men who have been found guilty of abuse allegations by a scorned ex on both sides of the river.

Both exist and i know the law is harsher on non white passing poc than on white passing poc