#wc villains

[celestralferretdesigns]

Tigerclaw/Tigerstar

[bonefall]

Clear Sky threw his son in front of a fox?!

YES!! He SHOVED him in front of a fox! It's in fury from the fact Thunder refused to kill Frost. This entire section is VERY poorly paced and glances over it in two paragraphs, so most people don't fully register it.

Clear Sky dragged Thunder down off the stump and shoves him at it, blaming him for bringing the fox to camp with his loud disobedience.

He then leaves Thunder to fight this fox on his own. Leaf and Falling Feather jump in to help him of their own accord. Clear Sky then tries to praise him for being strong and Thunder tells him to shove off for the first and last time.

It's not the last baby of his he knowingly and consciously endangers to prove a point. In Moth Flight's Vision, he refuses to allow Acorn Fur to get medical help for Tiny Branch's fox-inflicted injuries until his condition worsened, bellowing, "SkyClan does NOT ask for help unless there's no choice." AND didn't allow her to complete her training after he caused Micah's death.

Clear Sky is a serial child abuser. He is willfully neglectful, emotionally abusive, and physically violent.

[justapigeonn]

i know mapleshade being overused is no hot take in the warriors fandom anymore but you can't imagine my disappointment to find out later in the book that this voice in tigerclaw's head was never simply just his own self criticism but just mapleshade being mean to him for some reason

it would've been so interesting to see that despite how cruel he was to those around him, the one he was cruelest to in the end, was himself - that thistleclaw's brutal treatment really stuck with him in more ways than one, that he considered himself a failure if he did not push his ambitions to their very limits and succeed at what the mentor he both respected and resented failed and would not dare to do.

i also love that despite it's minor failings, this book also gives us a slight layer of nuance to his character - that despite him being a despicable character till the very end, willing and ready to kill and manipulate his way to the very top, there's still a hint of discomfort and remorse at the possibility of his former clanmates dying in the forest fire

he excuses his discomfort to mapleshade as him not being able to destroy them himself, but the horror and dread he feels is evident.

despite us knowing very little about their overall relationship, later on he's relieved to see that his former mate goldenflower is unharmed. given that we're never shown or told of any instances where's they're openly affectionate towards one another and he doesn't technically have any 'need' for her to survive (i say this with the assumption that the only big reason that tigerclaw even had kits to begin with was for a legacy and an ongoing bloodline, not for a happy family and out of sheer undying love for goldenflower), it's bizarrely sweet to me that he finds comfort in knowing that she escaped the fire, along with their daughter tawnykit.

and then, of course, the famous bramblekit scene where fireheart snatches him from the tree and the two barely escape with their lives.

this book, despite showing him committing numerous despicable actions and murder innocent cats in cold blood through his own eyes manages to give tigerclaw just a shred of humanity and care for those he once held close(ish), that despite him denouncing starclan again and again, he still whispers a silent thanks to them for saving the life of his son, that, despite his sheer undying hatred for fireheart, he puts his own pride aside for a brief moment and silently entrusts him with bramblekit's life.

when tigerclaw gave strict orders to the other shadowclan warriors to not follow him into the fire, he did so knowing that they could've seen him at his very worst - his absolute lowest point. he knew there was a large possibility that he could've easily been witness to the violent ends of his former mate and kits and lost himself there and then and potentially (in his eyes) lost the respect of his new clanmates as well, because to him in a sense, caring is a show of weakness, even for him. and idk there's just something weirdly nice about that - that despite how horrible he is there's still some depth and remorse to be found in his character and idk i just think that's neat

[bastart13]

My sister got me to read some Warrior Cats books so here are some other OCs I've AUed into cats:

Hedvig/Dewshine (she/her) - Pretty silver-ginger she-cat. Deputy to her clan and definitely not planning to usurp leadership

Elisedd/Embereye (he/him) - Massive black colourpoint tom. Former medicine cat apprentice before being exiled, and now looking for revenge

Lizaveta/Stagtooth (she/her) - Broad cream tabby she-cat. Bloodthirsty and proud warrior, eager to keep other clans in line

Maya/Shadowleap (she/her) - Sleek black she-cat. Quiet deputy to another clan with a speciality in information-gathering

Alexei/Mousenose (he/she/they) - Thick-furred black tabby. Gossipy warrior curious to see how things play out and how they can stay on the winning team

[magicdungeon]

Tigerstar redesign 🐅

I didn’t hate the old one that much but I really wanted to make him feel like a tiger. Also took some inspiration from Tai Lung

[loafbud-wc]

finally settled on a scourge design i like

[yarrowleef]

hey, hold up, hang on

I was doing some random wiki research about Midnight, and I came across this???? apparently there were bonus info videos released with The Last Hope's ebook?

look, this is decade old info, and maybe everyone already knows and stopped caring years ago but like??? I don't think I knew this?? this is news to me!!!

time stamp 1:00 - 2:10

Midnight was supposed to be the twist villain for OotS?? are u kidding me so much of why I remember the last Hope being anticlimactic is because nothing interesting happened, the bad ghosts had been saying "we're going to do a big attack" for books and books, and then they just did that big attack exactly as we had been told and it was the same as any other Big Battle scene and there wasn't really any more interest to the plot. This kind of plot twist might have actually added something interesting to that book!

And Vicky makes it sound like she had this plan for a long time? it was even going to tie back to Midnight secretly having a hand in the badger attack in arc 2?

THIS!? This is why she told Sol that info about the eclipse?? and then never explained why??? Like!!!! is this why Sol was Like That!?? a guy set up to be a big mysterious deal, but then he didn't really do anything and just fizzled out of existence??? because he was conceived of for an idea that was scrapped before going anywhere, but he was already sort of part of a (presumably already started) plot mid PoT so it was too late to cut him 'cause they still needed SOME minor antagonist there to fill pages, right? .... but he had no where to go and no (good) reason to do anything, no ending, since HIS BOSS, his Motive, suddenly stopped existing as a concept??? bro??? no wonder his random tie to SkyClan felt so unfitting as a reasoning for this kind of villain

Erica!! Erica wtf!! I don't care if it felt absurd, absurd is better then underwhelming! so what if Midnight was nice and helpful to some cats, maybe she has complex feelings about certain clan cats despite still secretly wishing to unleash chaos on the society as a whole for personal reasons, heaven forbid there be a complicated villain :'(

anyway I am going to be thinking about this lost timeline forever.

[sonik-kun]

Reminder to JC antis that literally no one is erasing JC's flaws. We most certainly are aware and acknowledge them it's why we refer to him as morally grey. You don't need to make the same, repeated bs every other day. It's not going to make us hate him. If anything, it's just pushing me further out of Wangxian spaces. 🤷‍♀️

Instead, our posts offer an alternative. Whilst you may discuss his canon negative traits, we discuss his canon positive traits in response because there is more to his character than just being a miserable asshole with some war crimes under his belt.

JC fans like to talk about why he became this miserable asshole with war crimes under his belt. It's what makes him interesting because he wasn't born this way. JC was born to be a good person. He wasn't fundamentally evil to the core like Jin Guangshan or Wen Chao was, for example. It was the actions of evil and toxic people that drove him down a dark path that made him resort to morally ambiguous descions. Quite like WWX was.

They each had people to protect, and they went about it via morally unscrupulous ways. That's what makes them both fundamentally human. And that's what I love about them most.

[airocats]

[synoicus]

I will never let you go.

[lesbikill]

drawing curlfeather looking smug or enjoying her torment of splashtail only works if you portray and acknowledge her as a complex character with ultimately good intentions & genuine regrets and remorse for how she has affected frostpaw. you can’t have her be smirking and evil without acknowledging that she cares infinitely more for her daughter then anything else sorry!

[bonefall]

I have never empathized with Clan cat cultural xenophobia as hard as I did when I realized the Tiktok ban is going to cause them all to come here. Just thinking of having more Sadboy Infection Enthusiasts around has me out marking the border. 3 patrols a day is not enough, we need to start battle training

[vivultures]

Some evil cats for design practice to break free from my self-imposed shackles of only realism in designs!!!! Colours and shapes we shall prevail

[chub-whisker]

i would’ve led riverclan into a golden dawn, not a bloody sunset.

[magicdungeon]

he swallowed the sun, left them without their star

[mist-dancing]

I love how Splashtail is like “Frostpaw is obviously very truamatised and has been manipulated her whole life, she can’t tell what’s real and she needs help!” And then he turns around and goes “i’m not gonna help her though lmao”

Like “Frostpaw is mentally ill and needs help and i agknowledge that. I’m trying to forget all this and rebuild the clan stronger, but because you’re mentally ill you can’t come back”