#was it for the monokubs? it was probably for the monokubs

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Testing character positions on the second floor and I think I found something I wasn't supposed to see

Hey girls.... what's going on....

...You kissing each other?

[beearcheops]

ok ok so

I’m not the only one who thinks that the Monokubs are weird, right?

not in their general shenanigans but in lore

canonically speaking, they have blood

Sure, the blood from Monokid/Monosuke could be from Kaede/Kirumi (I’m not sure if landing on your back would create a blood strain but she did fall from a large height so maybe idk) but at the very least, Monotaro and Monophanie have blood for some reason (as for Monodam, I’m not sure if he has blood or not because Korekiyo’s execution (that and he is a robotic version of the monokubs) so yeahhh)

Not only that but also that the Monokubs (and Monokuma in v3 too) have ghosts

This means (in the v3 universe at least), that both humans and robots can turn into ghosts. I have NO IDEA how that works (I would say a digital version of the ghost but there’s seems to be style confusion in the game draws ghosts (transparent without a blue-ish tint (like Kaede’s ghost), and full on blue (like Monokubs/Monokuma’s ghosts. Korekiyo’s and his sister’s ghosts has this trait too but unlike the others, it’s more like a smooth wax texture and not a sprite recolor with a added ghost wisp. To be fair though, Korekiyo’s ghost appears in his execution and the Monokubs/Monokuma’s ghosts appears in the 3 empty rooms, only in chapter 3 I believe)

I am pretty sure that no one has talked about monokubs having blood (or at least as far I looked) and about the ghosts, I saw one post on Reddit about it so yeah

I don’t know what to do with this information other than talking about it and cursing people with it

so have fun! :3

[pandoratheprocrasticreator]

obviously id have to wait until exams are done but kind of want to do a most popular danganronpa character poll

[neodiekido]

honestly all critiques of the monokubs are probably right but also "monokuma's horrible nepo babies who he hates" is a really funny concept

[loquaciousscribe]

Hihihi if it’s okay with u, can I request a fic or headcanons with Nagito and a reader with a monokub(or something similar, I know monokubs aren’t in SDR2😣) but it’s like the situation with Monotaro, Miu and Kiibo where the monokub assumes the reader and Nagito are it’s parents😓 if not it’s fine and no rush💞

since you asked for headcanons i'm just gonna not even say how this somehow happens

NAGITO KOMAEDA + READER BEING DUBBED MONOKUB PARENTS

nagito is quick to deny it. claiming that you were 'far to hopeful to settle for trash like him' and '[INSERT MONOKUB NAME] is so full of awful despair and could never be kin to anybody that hopeful'

he goes into a nonsensical rant about hope and despair trying to somehow rationalize how actually that might be possible and it could possibly raise the overall hope of the situation and due to his luck might end up overall even more hopeful im the long run yadda yadda yadda...

he keeps yapping until you stop him

'would this even be considered unlucky?? i mean [INSERT MONOKUB NAME] hasn't even done anything that bad' you probably say something like that

'not to insult your intelligence [NAME] but just that thing's existence is despair inducing, especially compared to somebody as hopeful as yourself'

'[INSERT MONOKUB NAME] is *not* a thing,, that's our child!!' (you decide how serious that is)

'buhuhuhu.. mommy and daddy are fighting:['

'see?? you made them cry'

nagito is to stunned to speak..

he'd probably begrudgingly go along with it(as long as you're an ultimate), he'll convince himself he deserves it

thanks 4 the request!! hopefully this isn't ooc

i had fun writing this:3

[fruit-punch-clown]

I finally decided to make a tier list and add minor explanations. My explanations aren't meant to hurt or offend of any of the fans of these characters, this is just something i wanted to do for fun.

Tier-ly ranked in no particular order we have.....

I don't like Junko as a general villian in the series. I watched my sister play THH around 2016 and had not absorbed anything Danganronpa before then and still I saw her being the mastermind since Muruko died. The devs made her way to likable;e to make her feel like a threatening villain.

On a whole I'm not a fan of Danganronpa 2 and that is mainly because I think it had the weakest cast in the entire series despite have some of the best trail's and motives. The onlt reason I like Usami is because of my favorite Tumblr, @brainfilehasstoppedworking and Fuyuhiko is because he gives my Takemichi vibes.

Hajime, to me, is the worst protag, I just find him so fucking boring. The other 3 at least have something that I find interesting. For him it's just 'Oh he's also the antag'. Nagito is funny at times but his bastardry in UDG makes me avidly dislike him. And I just find Mikan to be really annoying. I find obsessive characters annoying and creepy because of past events. Toko is a meer exception because I find her funny in UDG and i can sympathise with her and her past.

Its a bit obvious Tsumugi had wasted potential and the Monokubs will never not be annoying.

UGD is my favorite game of the franchise and probably my favorite game overall. UDG gave us Takaaki Ishimaru and Takemichi Yukimaru I love every charecter except for Monaca because she annoys me and for her treatment of the other WoH, especially Nagisa and Kotoko.

I don't like game Haiji. However I absolutely adore my write of Haiji where he doesn't like kids (I found that part of his character really unnecessary and it felt it was only added to make Haiji seem worse than Monaca and to make her seem more sympathetic.)

final rank-(motives are separate from each rate.)

Favorite from each game:

Mondo Oowada

Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu

Korekiyo Shinguji

Genocider Syo/Jataro Kemuri

Takemichi Yukimaru

Least favorite from each game:

Junko Endoshima

Mikan Tsumiki

Tsumugi Shirogane

Monaca Towa

Fuhito Kirigiri

[heedmywarnings]

Severe Case of Not-Giving-A-Fuck

By yours truly, the most confusing writer in this app. Also yes, I will finish this. Yes, this story is unfinished. Why? Why not?

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Okay I've abused this plot more than I've abused my own OC's so have this very bland meal I've prepared for people stalking this probably dead tag.

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Why am I in this situation again? Who knows.

You just woke and found yourself in a Danganronpa class trial- wait no. This is the Opera House? I mean, I just woke up, man. I thought Neuvilette was Monokuma.

[I'm an artistic genius, I know.]

"Goodmorning, and welcome! ...my graceless, divine fraud!" A voice shooked me awake, not really but it gathered some of my remaining attention.

Fuck, Monomi? She was cool, but I didn't like her all that much. Wait no, that's Furina. I guess they're alike... in a way, I suppose.

"...what the fuck?" I murmured, though everyone probably heard it. "So, uhm. Morning?" Seriously, what the fuck is happening?

"Dearest Dark Diva of Divinal Deception! Are you ready to fight me until your blood has been drenched upon the foundation of my empire?" Furina laughed uproariously.

Okay maybe she's not really a Monomi, maybe a Gundham?

"Fight? Kay... do we start now or what?" I asked, honestly, I can't even open my eyes.

"Wha- first that blonde traveler, now you!? A-Am I not intimidating-?!" Furina grumbled in frustration. Neuvilette coughed, "Lady Furina, I'd advise you to calm down, especially in this scenario," He said.

So, Monokuma is Monomi, and Monomi is now a spineless Monokuma? Weird.

"Are we gonna fight with our bare hands? I don't really have a weapon." I yawned.

A person spoke up, "What are you suggesting to do, fraud?" Is it a monokub? Ah no, just Chlorinde. "Fight, isn't that what she wanted?" I point at the Archon.

"She means a Fight in court," Mono- Neuvilette responded.

Ah. A fight in Court. ....boring.

"Kay. Do we start now?"

"Do you even know what you're being accused of?"

"Should I know?"

...

"Very well. Let's begin," the Chirf Justice declared.

"Oh wait, who's the one prosecuting me?"

"You're worried about that?" Furina chimed in.

She sighed, "If you must know! Then take a look for yourself."

As she said those words, I turned to look at the individuals on the opposite side of the room.

"...Navia..? Oh wait, no its the Traveler. Sorry, you were both blonde."

[aparticularbandit]

Alright, so, today on Bandit does analysis, we're gonna talk about this scene right here:

Where the Monokubs screwed up and didn't change any of these kids' costumes or download their first memory and do any brain rewriting and so they all woke up as still themselves in a scene that definitely wasn't supposed to happen at all, nuh-uh, nope.

Except.

I wanna talk about this.

This right here.

Tsumugi having a normie outfit.

Like.

Why does this even exist.

If everyone was supposed to show up already in their new costumes with their new memories intact, then why does Tsumugi have a normie costume?

If this is a mistake, Tsumugi should be showing up in her Ultimate Cosplayer costume ready to go because everyone else should also be showing up as Ultimates. In fact, there's no reason for Tsumugi to not show up in her Ultimate costume. Even in the case of a mistake (as the Monokubs are assumed to have made), all of these kids are going to have their minds wiped anyway, so they won't remember Tsumugi was already in her costume.

There is no reason for Tsumugi to have this outfit.

Unless.

This scene was always supposed to be here.

The only people who Tsumugi would need to wear this costume for are the viewers, which means that this scene was definitely plotted, the kids were all definitely supposed to do this, and the viewers were meant to see it to set up for the reveal later on.

Which would mean that the reveal was always intended - at least by Tsumugi, even if not by Team Danganronpa themselves.

(It is entirely possible that Tsumugi has cobbled this outfit together from her personal cosplay; I think it was @funishment-time who pointed out that this looks extremely similar to Haruhi's sailor outfit, which would definitely keep it from being something the costuming department was aware of or made. The colors are different, but like. Tsumugi's a cosplayer; she's got the skills to change all that.)

OR.

Tsumugi's a normal student who had her mind rewritten just like everyone else in the Game did.

The Monokubs did screw up, and Tsumugi really wasn't writing any of this until she's well into the Game (and then they've downloaded what she needs to improv as she goes. and programmed Motherkuma to listen to her voice. ahead of time. somehow (seeing all the other stuff they're able to do, this probably isn't actually a stretch, just incredibly creepy)).

Tsumugi's just a normie like everyone else. Everything - everything - is fake, including Tsumugi herself.

Like, there is literally no other reason for Tsumugi to have that costume and show up in this scene wearing it. At least none that I can think of, although I'm sure someone else can/will, and I'm. super looking forward to that, actually! Because I look forward to other opinions!

But. Yeah. Analysis done. For now.

[funishment-time]

is there anything on ur iceberg ud like to expand on in particular? all of it is sooo good 2 me and im rlly interested in ur thoughts. all the junko ones in particular are SO GOOD u get her!!!

(cw: cannibalism, Junko stuff)

thank you!!! here's a few random JUNKOS ones i'll expand upon:

Junko originally considered sparing her classmates: taken from a translated interview where Kodaka says that he wanted to do an OVA where a truly happy Junko would have had to work up the "resolve" to enact her last plan. i mourn that we never got this OVA every single day

Monokubs meant to represent aspects of Junko's personality: kind of Complicated, but pretending that Moogs' story is mostly right, i like to think corporate added the Monokubs to give a dash of personality-shifting Junko to the game before the reveal, for long-time watchers. the kubs are heavily Junko-coded to me

Junko has no real sexuality or opinions on anything: she is both a bigot and not a bigot, gay or not gay, genderfucked or not, trans or not trans, depending on How She Can Hurt You. to me, she long ago lost the ability to have any worldview besides trying to feel psychic damage and inflict it on others

Junko & Remnants were all cannibals: this in itself is the tip of the iceberg of some of the things she and the Remnants probably did, but for Junko specifically, she def ate Mondo Butter and maybe some of her other classmates too. we have lots of evidence she has a sort of weird "wants to be one with everyone" complex (Junkoland, her monologue about being twins w/ Mukuro) and what better way than to nomnomnom on human flesh

DR world already a dystopia before Junko arrived: Junko just tipped the scales. (the fact that HPA openly had an Ultimate Soldier/SHSL Merc who certainly joined up as a minor, which we know for a fact from DR1, should be all one needs to know...but there's other stuff going on, too.) btw: true in both the main timeline and in the nice AU. arguably more true in the nice AU because while we're missing Ultimate Merc (Mukuro attends as Junko, no one knows Mukuro) the V3s are all there too and very much real (so we have Maki etc)

AI Junko not a continuation of the real one but separate entity: just aligns with what the DR universe tells us about other AIs/its AI rules. there's lots about how Alter Ego is not Chihiro and Kodaka recently confirmed AI Chiaki was not the same girl as OG Chiaki (+ she says so directly in DR3)

Junko genuinely wanted to get Makoto to hook up with some girls thru Monokuma: just a silly one. in my head, before the Despairening(tm), Junko was kind of a wingwoman for Makoto because she has a little crush on him and it hurt her real fuckin' good to try to get him with other girls. this continues into the killing game where she uses Monokuma to constantly tease him into being a pervert. she is the biggest Makoto Harem fantasizer

appreciate the question! please enjoy!

[yakool-foolio]

Ngl the tweet “Sister and Brother in the main cast of a Kodaka game” killed my interest in this game. We probably didn’t get the whole context, but if it’s gonna throw in a single piece dialogue that would imply….that. Why should I expect much better from the general writing?

Call me crazy, but I think people maaaaaayyyyy be throwing in the towel way too soon. We don't know jack about the characters right now, as far as only knowing two or three names outta the whole cast, so how're we to say with certainty that the two characters mentioned are even siblings? Context is everything, and we have none, so we gotta hold our horses or else we're gonna fall off and get trampled.

I also think this whole too-soon debacle is just plain ol' bad faith. Let's not forget that Kodaka isn't the only writer for this game, as this was also a team effort with Uchikoshi (for transparency, I've only played AI: Somnium Files, so I'm not aware of Uchikoshi's writing practices as much as I am of Kodaka's). If we wanna focus solely on Kodaka's involvement with his writing for this game, I know everyone's getting war flashbacks of the Monokubs from V3, and I do think that part is deserving of all the heavy criticism it gets cause it was done so poorly. However, let's also not forget about Korekiyo's whole deal as well, and in my opinion, I don't think it was handled poorly. There are of course ways the reveal of Korekiyo's relationship with his sister could've been delivered better (such as not hiding his sister's abuse behind his FTEs), but overall I think it respects the topic of incest.

AND THIS IS ALL JUST ASSUMING THAT THOSE TWO CHARACTERS IN LAST DEFENSE ACADEMY ARE SIBLINGS WHEN THEY VERY WELL COULD NOT BE!

Regardless, I am a firm believer that dark topics of all kinds can and should be told in stories, as long as it's done respectfully and not romanticizing/glorifying it. All that matters to me is if a heavy story is told well. So IF those two characters really are siblings and really are in a romantic relationship (and somehow saying 'dear brother' is supposed to be an indication of this???), I am okay with that as long as it's done tastefully. Including such a relationship in any media will obviously turn some people away from it, but that's all a part of consuming media. People will scout out what appeals to them and will avoid things that don't. If a story isn't written for you in mind, then don't let that get you down. There are plenty of similar medias that don't include things you dislike and may give you the same enjoyment. Ya just have to look!

[hajihiko]

Now that youre done with v3 may I ask about what your final thoughts on each character are? (Briefly, if you dont feel like elaborating too much-- like a senstence each maybe?)

Ok warning for opinions: I'm not head over heels for a lot of the cast

Shuichi- sweet boy I like his emo vibes (both in jest and also how he's actually pretty emotional)

Kaede- sweet girl gone to soon :'( why do this to the girl Protag

Kaito- fun guy I like him I hate his hair. Hypocrite (character trait) (not moral judgement) (affectionate)

Maki- grew on me a lot her expressions are cute. Also hypocrite (same brackets as above)

Himiko- good voice acting and I guess the character development was pretty good! Never grabbed me as a character tho

Keebo: my beloved. I didn't think he'd be so important! Thank you for being helpful and rational sweet robo boy.

Tenko: I've been told the translation made her a lot more aggressive than the original Japanese text but she sooooo annoying about the Degenerate Male thing and it was too much of her dialogue

Angie: most fun design, biggest cutie. I know she was kind of sinister sometimes but I forgive her BC I actually enjoyed the time she was on screen.

Korekiyo: coolest design, actually kind of intriguing character, but then the backstory hit... I dunno I could continue to be interested I guess but it's a little weird now.

Miu: I liked her more at the start but then I feel like she didn't grow at all? It's like she started being a bit different when Kaede was still protagging and then she just didn't stop being The Overtly Loud And Suggestive One.

Gonta: darling. Precious. Probably one of the saddest cases :(

Ryoma: I'm biased because fsr I liked him from the start. Didn't get a chance to develop much. Get him some therapy.

Oh my god there's so many of them aughshdh

Rantaro: pretty and good voice. What a waste of a good design since we didn't get to see him do like anything

Kirumi: I like her potential and I probably would have ended up liking her if she'd lived, but kudos for being one of the few calm and helpful characters.

Tsumugi: props for being incredibly unassuming if I hadn't already known. They really made her just boring enough to be not suspicious, but not too boring to be suspicious again. Annoying voice tho

Kokichi: only surpassed by the monokubs in how much l don't like him.

Monokubs: die

[g0nta-g0kuhara]

I know how the flashback lights work isn't super clear, but I can't stop thinking about Kirumi saying that she only "remembered" her duty to the nation after seeing her video. So. Imagine an AU where the flashback light properties of the motive videos from ch2 activated regardless of whether who it was intended for and who watched it matched up. Shuichi watching Kaito's motive video and now having this bizarre memory of Kaito's grandparents and how close he was to them and how they always cared for him as Kaito. An uncanny memory of being Kaito, feeling like he should have the context of the before and after AS Kaito, but he doesn't. Because its just an inserted memory.

This would make the monokubs' fuck up in ch2 wayyy more substantial, probably game ruining. I don't think anyone would've trusted their motive videos, let alone the flashback lights, after that. There's just something about the disorientation and out-of-body feeling that comes with a misplanted memory like this that I find really fascinating

[beearcheops]

Drv3 family trees (or my best attempt)(minus the Monokubs because I’m not doing that to myself)

Yeahhhh, guess who got bored

I mainly just used find on page to find out so this may be not 100% accurate (but if you think I’m gonna read all ftes,date tickets,utdp and drs events, you’re wrong)

anyways, here’s the key

Circle means Female, Square means Male and a question mark means idk if they are related or not (or something idk I just explain when it comes up)

all family trees are under cut cuz it’s long

First things first, Shuichi’s tree was probably the easiest to make for me since all the info was in his ftes. The only thing that I struggled with was shuichi saying “my uncle and his wife” which is a very weird way to say it (like bud, you could’ve said aunt in law and at least have some people understand it. Maybe idk family trees make my head hurt) but oh well

Then there’s Kaede! Her family tree is relatively simple but I also need to mention that if the character in question never mentions their family, I’m just going to assume that they have just 2 parents (in which I’m coining as the “normalcy law of assuming” I guess, I couldn’t think of a better name)

speaking of which…

Tsumugi (I’m pretty sure) never mention any family members, no matter how much I search (and before you mention her love hotel event, I didn’t read any of the cast’s love hotel events for both my sanity and happiness) so I just assuming that she has 2 parents

Remember when I said that I would explain the question mark?

well, here, it means that the mom may be not the same for all of children (at least in this scenario) (I mean rantaro did said most of his sisters are stepsisters, also yeah, the circle with 12 on represent his 12 sisters because I’m not putting all 12 of them in the image)

Next one up,Tenko! Surprisingly, the normalcy law of assuming doesn’t apply to tenko, why?, because she mentions her parents in one of her ftes! (I don’t remember which one but I do know that she mentioned them) so yeah, just a small simple family tree

Now for Himiko, unlike Tenko, Himiko never mentions her family (unless her master is her dad in which I- what.) while the Danganronpa wiki states that she has a mom, I (personally) couldn’t find any evidence of that at all so I’m not sure where in the world they found that information (I’m serious, where in the fuck she says this?!?!?!!?! Because its certainly not in her ftes,date tickets,utdp events or drs events, so where is it?!?!??!) (I’m going insane) so yeah

UPDATE: thanks to @reblogablename, I now know where Himiko mentions her mom, it’s in the first mass panic debate

Uhh so according to my notes, Miu has parents but I don’t know where I found that information (like did I find it in her wiki page or ftes, or somewhere else completely? I’m not completely sure where but I’m gonna trust my notes here)

To call Keebo’s family tree interesting could be a understatement, this is a line. Other than that, there’s not much to say about it, it’s just keeb and his professor/dad (also I want to mention that I’m pretty sure that Professor Idabashi is the only named family member in v3 which is odd but oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

Due to Kokichi being Kokichi, I don’t know if he has parents or not so I’m pulling the normalcy law of assuming card here

meanwhile the little question mark represents his older brother mentioned in his ftes, and since Kokichi lies, he might have a brother or not

While Maki has not met her parents (if I remember correctly in the ftes), she must come from somewhere (also please ignore the weird writing in this section/ryoma’s section, I dead ass forgot about the both of them sorry)

Ryoma does have parents, well dead parents but still parents

(I’m going insane)

Korekiyo’s family tree, like Shuichi’s, was relatively easy to make, not much to mention here I think (other than the whole incest thing but I don’t want to think about it)

Kaito,Kaito, Kaito, why were you the hardest person to write about (no seriously, why was it so hard?!??!) anyways, not much to say than kaito never talks about his parents so idk what happened to them

We’re in the final stretch! Kirumi never mentions her family sooo to the normalcy law of assuming corner for you!

Now for Gonta, while he does mention his family, he doesn’t specific any family members so another one in the normalcy law of assuming list

And FINALLY, angie has the same thing as gonta where she mention her family, she doesn’t specified what family members she has so yet again, the normalcy law of assuming shows up

aaaaand thats everyone in drv3 (minus the Monokubs because of no) family trees, but feel free to correct me if anything is wrong cuz I know for a fact that I missed at least one thing (*cough**cough* Himiko *cough**cough* ) anyways enjoy :3

[ohwell-itsme-but-danganronpa]

Official Miu Iruma Post

[contains debate about the 4th case & trial of v3, post-game irouma, a dating show au with saiouma & kiiruma, talk about her abandonment issues, parental HCs and toxic yuri, just the normal way conversations in the Pit go, I simply cut out some of the screaming, distractions and put displaced replies closer to what they're replying to]

Hina: Kokichi’s Chapter 4 plan right It’s to do two things: Save him from Miu Make himself the villain Right Cause if that’s the plan WHY PUSH MIUS BODY OFF THE ROOF Clown: That was gontas idea!! Hina: No I’m blaming Kokichi for this fuck you Ves: i think he actually meant to kill everyone but that's an unpopular opinion sndhsgfgfh Hina: THEN HE SHOULDVE LET MIU KILL HIM IM SORRY MIU HAD THE BEST MURDER PLOT IN V3 AND SHE DIDNT EVEN GET TO USE IT BECAUSE KOKICHIS A FUCKING MINDREADER Apollo: LIKE HOW DID HE KNOW? WHAT. SHE WAS ACTING WEIRD SO HE CHECKED THE COMPUTER CODE? [yes. I assumed that this was just. canon] Sini: HE COULDN’T LET MIU KILL HIM Ves: NO?????????? THAT WOULD BE FUCKIGN STUPID???????????????????? Hina: No but if his plan was to kill everyone, Miu probably could’ve gotten everyone killed Ves: "i COULD convince the strong one and the detective to help me and carefully manipulate the trial til the end, but why don't i just throw it all to the wind instead-" miu was VERY OBVIOUSLY gonna kill someone dude Clown: MIUS SO BAD AT HIDING HER INTENTIONS BUT ITS OKAY I LOVE HER

Hina: Okay no I’ll give him that But Kokichi makes a lot of assumptions Like the “He’d be frozen in a touch” thing That’s a big assumption to make Ves: NO IT IS NOT THAT IS JUST ASSUMING MIU ISN'T COMICALLY STUPID IF SHE DIDN'T THINK OF THAT SHE WOULDN'T DESERVE TO BE CALLED A GENIUS if miu has control over the virtual world, then of course she'd add some way to stop him from resisting. that's an educated guess Clown: He didn't think he was going to be frozen but I think he assumes Miu was smart enough to make a fail safe!! She needed to do something to make him killable. I don't think he knew what it was but he knew she did something! Especially since she's openly telling everyone that she took away all dangerous objects and diminished their strength?? What are you scheming queen?? Apollo: I get he's smart but can he even read code because I doubt it was just written 'freezes when Miu touches' [with what monokubs pulled up for them. it was kind of written like that] Hina: No code is usually written very fucking simple Me: It wasn't an assumption? He knew. Because he looked into what she was doing.

Apollo: I still think he should have just 'decided to piss her off' and not show up to the meeting on the rooftop. Either that or he acts real sus so someone follows him up and sees her about to murder him Clown: I think he did act kinda suspicious! Like actively making a show of needing someone to watch him or clearly getting pulled off to the side so Miu could talk to him. Chee: He was being more sus than usual and that made V3 think “someone needs to watch him” Idk why they sent Gonta over when its Kokichi actually Clown: I like to think he gave her a chance to back out. If Miu had seen him act this way and still proceed with her plan. Well that that was that. Again. Probably not what they were intending BUT LET ME BELIEVE THEY WERE FRIENDS AT ONE POINT SOBS Chee: DUDE NO I ALSO LOVE THINKING THEYRE FRIENDS THEY FUCKING WORKED TOGETHER FOR FUCKS SAKE Tehyre friends to me fuck whatever canon goes against that!! Ves: she picks him because he's one of the only people who would conceivably go to a secluded place with her and that Hurts me Me: With his views on killers he most likely thought that Miu will go for a kill no matter what and will do something else if she's not forcefully stopped. Plus, he was pissed off first, she betrayed him and he was especially cruel when talking about her after that, some elements of the plan were going out of the way to say "fuck you" to Miu (and using that to draw more suspicion to himself, but that was not necessary to do that), I think he wanted Gonta to be the winner, as somebody who stayed on his team, making it his victory, but then Gonta wasn't following the plan, meaning that he must have betrayed him too, and then Kokichi lost it

Sini: OOOOH! You mean the interpretation of him killing everyone… Let’s be real, if that’s the case, then yeah, he was dumb. Cause even with what Ves said, HE STILL FUCKED UP! FUCK REVERSE PSYCHOLOG! WHY TF WOULD YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH SM YOU DUMB BITCH!? YOU’RE GIVING OUT MORE EVIDENCE He was so dumb for it, idc. Bro, stfu….Saying Gonta is the culprit!? WHY!?!? SHUT UUUPPPP I get the logic but fuck man! It’s so risky and stupid! Why would you do that!? Ves: OH I DON'T THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN CAN YOU IMAGINE LMAO that's BEYOND "risky and stupid" sini did you think i thought this the whole time HE'S BETRAYING GONTA AT THAT POINT I- Chee: YEAH I THINK THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE PLAN Me: It definitely wasn't part of the original plan, that was the moment he snapped Sini: Oh. I knew that too but I forgot how you interpreted it. But he does similar shit even in the beginning of the trial. I just….I think it’s dumb. This is part of why I don’t think he planned to kill everyone Oh yeah, I know that. I just wasn’t sure what they meant, there are many ways you can interpret this theory. But yeah, I agree that he thought there would be no reasoning with her and she would kill him regardless. While he could’ve let Miu kill him, keeping Miu alive is good in case the plan were to ever fail. Her plan was really good, even Shuichi noted that without finding out about the secret of the virtual world that they would’ve been fucked. She could’ve very well won had he just let her kill him, but still, it’s better he have control over the situation than potentially die for no reason while the game continues. I get that. But like….What did Gonta do to not follow with the plan? From what I remember, by the time Kokichi outed Gonta….He didn’t do anything?? No one suspected him until he brought it up. Gonta became suspect because of him. Why would he do that? Are you saying he got so pissed that Gonta was good at not being sus that he changed his mind? Cause I honestly find that ridiculous. It is literally essential that Gonta not be suspicious so that they win…. Was it a method to make Gonta not suspicious by making him suspicious? But again, why? No one was ever suspecting him and he should know that most of everyone would never suspect him as the culprit at that point because it’s Gonta. Yes, they’ve suspected Gonta plenty times before and you could say they only reacted that way cause Kokichi was the one saying it, but…I feel at that point everyone grew closer to Gonta and would have that genuine bias. Kokichi outing Gonta just led to him spewing more evidence that got them fucked even before he snapped at him. He was basically giving hints since the beginning of the trial. I always read it like he was doing what he usually did until Shuichi and the others pissed him off. Then Gonta pissed him off by denying everything and everyone believing him despite the evidence. Ves: it's not that gonta didn't follow the plan, it's that he followed it too well. you have to remember that kokichi had no way of knowing about the cord mixup; from his perspective, gonta was just lying his ass off. and he was lying so well kokichi wouldn't've been able to tell if he hadn't seen him kill her. even in an interpretation where he planned to betray gonta from the beginning, i think that would've freaked him the hell out

Sini: But he wasn’t really lying before…. He wasn’t doing anything. He was barely present in the trial until that point. Ig that’s a form of lying, maybe Kokichi expected him to be all nervous and shit?? But….Is that good enough reason to out him and abandon your plan??? I see some people say how he could’ve suspected Gonta as the mastermind, but I can only see him suspecting that after he outed him. And even then…If he was the mastermind…Why would he follow his plan in the virtual world in the first place? Surely Kokichi must’ve thought of that. To think he’s the mastermind based off of good lying alone, while understandable, is also a bit of a stretch. Kokichi knows there is more to Gonta than what people see, he’s seen him lie before. It’s just at that moment where it’s taken to a whole other level that even rivals his own (at least that’s what he thinks). But still…I just….He said that unprompted and I can’t think of a good reason as to why he’d do that after planning all this out There is Gonta debating Shuichi before I think but that’s still not enough to do something like call him the culprit I feel…. I just don’t understand it. Maybe I’m giving Kokichi too much credit, but it’s weird. Ves: gonta has repeated that he doesn't understand over and over in a very convincing (because it's true) way by that point tho idk ch4 doesn't make a lot of sense to me without the idea that kokichi was originally planning to follow through TBF though it's the clearest example of kokichi being a microcosm of v3; it's meant to be up to the player to decide what they believe, and that means there's evidence both ways. it's definitely a weird way to write a character Sini: But again, Kokichi knows he isn’t stupid. He must know he can probably pull off just saying “I don’t understand”. Not to mention, I don’t think he’d do something like this at all. Chapter 1 he acknowledges how if they die, they can just bring in new people and the games will continue. While everyone dying is a unsatisfying ending, it’s not enough to end the game. It has enough entertainment value and not enough scandal where it could do that much damage. Kokichi must still think this is all a show even if at that moment where he believed what he saw in the vault was real. Is it really winning the game and bringing justice to those who died if he follows the rules practically to a T and kills everyone? It’s not that much of a satisfying ending for him either. Ig he could’ve not known what else to do and was overwhelmed with despair, but I personally don’t think he’d want things to go that way. But that’s just me. I agree that it’s written in a way where you don’t really know what’s the truth. I understand the theory and I think the idea is cool, with enough evidence to support it. To me though, it just doesn’t jive

[I just got hit in the face with a crack theory: What if he made it so it looks like he gave in to the motive and wants to kill everyone so the mastermind doesn't intervene before he gets to flip the switch on them?] Ves: that's a totally fair interpretation!! i haven't asked - do you think he believed what he saw at the end of the tunnel :o? oh and also. i think believing what he saw would undo his ch1 belief about them just bringing more people in..? where would they get them from Clown: I guess that's assuming he'd believe the world really did end. But thats vauge too, how much did he believe it? How long? Did he even believe it in the first place? WHO KNOWS Ves: i think he did believe it. i mean, he was THERE. he saw the broken world stretch out to the horizon, he felt the air leave his lungs that's very different than a flashback light Sini: Well, that’s the thing. I feel like he believed what he saw but soon afterward started to doubt it given everything else he witnessed. Why things are the way they are…It only makes sense if it’s a show. Kokichi himself acknowledges that in Chapter 5. The flashback lights….There’s so many things to not be trusted here. If they can pull off crazy rooms, executions, and robots, could they fabricate what he saw and experienced? Maybe it is real but there are survivors out there. I think Kokichi was in constant conflict about it Ves: it could be a show for just one person. i think that'd haunt him and yeah i agree about him being in constant conflict Clown: I do think he believed it for a good while!! It's hard not to. It probably effected him more than he realized. But at the same time the world around his is changing in completely unnatural ways, he acknowledges that it feels as though they're following a script sometimes. So that gave him room for doubts. But he couldn't really be sure Kodaka was a coward for not giving us a bonus unlockable scene where ouma sees the world end, BY HIMSELF, ALL ALONE, and just implodes in on himself for a little while I wanna see how he reacted!!! I wanna see why he even managed to get up again!! Ves: MAYBE I'M ALSO A COWARD JESUS Sini: I’m fine with not getting anything. The whole point is that he’s a mysterious character. The way we see him is supposed to be somewhat similar to how Shuichi sees him, constantly questioning wtf he is up to and how he feels But that would be cool tho Clown: I can agree with that! I do love that there's so much room to theorize about him This is entirely self indulgent askshjdh WHERES THE POV SWITCH KODAKA?? WHERE?? Sini:Yeah, same. I indulgently want a Kokichi Ouma novel but writing wise that’s a shitty idea Clown: Yeahhh, unless their willing to break away from the embodiment of a lie thing, at least a little, than i wouldn't have high hopes Or they could evilify him more thats also something that could happen

Hina: Me writing a whole Kokichi Miu fight scene be like Chee: no dude I actually enjoy that BC THERES NO WAY AFTER ALL THAT HAPPENED IN GAME THEY WOULDNT FIGHT Im just still praying theyll be friends after the fighting or something [sob emoji]

[conversation went into detail about how fucked up Kokichi novel could turn out to be if we got it (and so it's best it doesn't happen)] Clown: Miu and kokichi get an explosive divorce Ves: okay no i want this actually that sounds HILARIOUS Sini: That already happened in V3 tho Me: they are SO divorcecore <3 /pos Ves: they are the OPPOSITE of the "i don't argue with beautiful women, my wife hits me with a hammer and i walk it off" tweet Me: and I love that for them! frenemies irouma is nice, but they could take that to a higher level Ves: IT IS romantic iruma is just so inherently hilarious that "higher level" is divorce court Sini: “My wife tried to hit me with a hammer, that bitch got strangled” Clown: It's like the ending of one of those shows where they try and pair everyone off into couples but they explode as a result Maybe literally Miu puts a bomb in oumas cereal Sini: It’s their love language, dw Clown: They only got married because the people of their affections also got hit with the straight people ray and they're mourning together/hj Shuichi should marry maki to make it worse Ves: they're all cheating on each other Worst Suburb Of All Time Me: this gave me a VIOLENT flashback to that one hamilton songfic (Say No To This? I think) where Miu wrote Saihara a threathening letter bc Ouma was her husband and saiou was having an affair

Sini: Salmon Mode: Love is Blind edition Ves: hold on i've got a better one the ultimatum …actually hold on maybe i'm NOT joking an ultimatum au would kinda slap… are saiou in preexisting relationships or did they come together shuuichi issuing the ultimatum to kokichi would be TASTY but so would them falling in love and leaving their unhappy relationships for each other,,,, one person in a couple wants to get married, the other isn't so sure. they go on the show where they pick another person to be in a 'trial marriage' for a couple weeks, then go back to their original partners, then decide 'the ultimatum' is 'marry or our relationship is over' Clown: Oohh man I dunno. Them as a preexisting couple is ANGST AND PAIN and ✨️ drama ✨️ But them coming together is [teary eyed cat emoji] Hina: Okay but that's so good if they're preexisting in a relationship Me: the "getting back together" energy (despite there being no break-up and only a threat of it) is definitely up your alley and it could be neat, but them getting paired up for a few weeks fake relationship that's not intended to last should be injected in my bloodstream immediately or I'll die Ves: they're meant not to last, to be a test before they go back to their Real partners, but they find themselves happier than they ever were AUUUUUGH Hina: If we're being realistic though wouldn't Kokichi bail the moment Shuichi offers an ultimatum like that? Ves: IF WE'RE BEING REALISTIC NEITHER OF THEM WOULD GO ON REALITY TV IN THE FIRST PLACE THIS EXISTS SO I CAN HAVE FUNNY SAIOUMA COUCH ASIDES AND ENDGAME SMOOCHES Clown: Can't remove brain from shuichi giving the ultimatum because ouma is a flighty nerd- NEED THERE TO BE A SWEET SCENE WHERE GONTA AND KOKICHI BOND BECAUSE OF THEIR SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES BUT ON OPPOSITE ENDS. Gontas straightforward point of view seems illogical, it doesnt even take into account how much could go wrong, but its suprisingly comforting. Maybe ouma shouldn't focus on the fail safes… AND HE GAINS PLUS 1 BUDDY OLE PAL [I skipped a big part of the conversation suggesting other couples, but one of them was Gonta and Kirumi] Ves: gonta and kokichi come out Best Friends he's the best man at the saiou wedding unsure if kokichi gets this privilege also because. kirumi. but STILL Clown: She doesn't want his greasy face in the wedding party thats understandable If you wanna add some ✨️ drama ✨️ maybe shuichi is just a tad jealous over seeing ouma so genuinely connect with someone. After such a short time too?? Shuichi goes "this is fine" as if he isn't iron gripping the table Ves: he thinks kokichi's left him for bigger tits greener pastures meanwhile gonta is patting his back while he wails drunkenly about shuuichi inevitably leaving him he's NOT jealous he is a responsible partner he does not feel Bad Emotions he does NOT- he's not coping and seething that gonta is better at protecting kokichi from spiders

Ves: who is shuuichi's partner. rantarou is Not Allowed it hurts my brain Hina: Wow smh Miu/j Ves: he'd never pick her but GOD it'd be funny Clown: MAYBE KIIBO, FOR THE EXTRA LACK OF BRAIN CELLS Did Miu drag kiibo there?? Ves: love hotel abandonment issues flashbacks Clown: She would vent this in a completely public scandalous way I love that for her Miu iruma the walking disaster beloved Ves: why doesn't kiibo want to get married? is it just bc miu's being Like That about it or does he have his own issues Hina: What if their relationship is still fairly new Like less than a year Clown: "We aren't financially stable and the average expectancy of dating years before marriage is 4-6 years, we haven't yet to agree upon how many kids we would have because 8 is illogical. I think we should wai-" and Miu is throwing a tantrum Ves: i don't think i've ever seen kiiruma as anything but a fluffy side ship this is spinning in my brain oughhh miu iruma you are the worst gf of all time i love you messy bitch she's gonna key his car they are neurodiverging in opposite directions kiibo's autistic robot ass is planning things out according to nothing but logic meanwhile miu is traumatized and brain damaged and putting beans in all his shoes he doesn't Get why she's so sensitive about this he's said he's not going to leave her, and he's never proved himself a liar, so why doesn't she believe him??? actually on that topic. why do u guys think miu is Like That?? she apparently has very severe abandonment issues but they're brought up ONCE and NEVER EXPLAINED it bothers me i need to fill that gap with hc

Sini: Miu [handshake emoji] Kokichi Crippling trust/abandonment issues. Your love? They do not see Ves: and that's why they make such inch resting friends :) Sini: I hc her mother left her and her dad. Perhaps she also had a childhood friend who abandoned her since in the Love Hotel she sees you as one Ves: i'm inclined to say someone (a parent?) just BOOKED it while she was in the coma Clown: Oohhh!!! Similar hc!!! I also think she was raised by a single dad. Mom was too focused on her career Ves: i gave her a single mom LMAO does she just radiate Divorced Kid Energy??? Sini: SHE DOES HONESTLY What if they left after her coma? I can imagine it going like that…. Ves: i mean her personality was probably different by then maybe they just…didn't like her anymore…… Clown: Ahsgshwhs, I just think part of her sense of humor comes from the fact that her father was like…one of those drunk uncles who gives you shittiest dating advice and has been divorced 3 times and is not at all a bad person but has clearly made far too many mistakes. And he's her MAIN caretaker. And so he talked to her more like a friend than a daughter and so she really was craving some sort of bond she considered unbreakable, someone to take care of her. AND WHATS THAT?? ON TV?? YOUR ROMANTIC ENDEAVOR WOULD DIE FOR YOU?? YES PLEASE??? Ves: SHE JUST WANTS SOMEONE TO OPEN THE FUCKING DOOR FOR HER, IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK Sini: Men these days, smh Hina: Easy, don't date men Ves: WOMEN WILL NOT FIX HER ISSUES HINA Clown: WOMEN COULD MAKE HER WORSE, TOXIC DOOMED YURI WHEN Ves: her and ouma, if you're not a COWARD Sini: Toxic doomed yuri fem!Kokichi/Miu. 100k words- Me: where [and I still don't see a fucking link] Hina: Ever female Kokichi I've seen scares me So yes I am a coward Me: multigendered Kokichi then, it can still be yuri and that's my preferred hc anyway Ves: kokichi's already a girl to ME. multigender queen Hina: I mean Big boobs Heterosexual Female Kokichi Sini: The big boobs are a red flag Me: I can excuse heterosexuality, but I draw the line at Kokichi with boobs /ref Sini: YOU EXCUSE HETEROSEXUALITY!?

[tobiasdrake]

What do you think happened exactly in the intro of V3 when their memories weren't downloaded right? Cus they would have known they signed up for danganronpa, right? So why did only Rantaro have any ideas about what was going on?

Not necessarily. Going off the fact that the audition tapes are, well, "auditions", there were probably a lot of people who auditioned for the show most of whom would not make the cut. This was a casting call, and most people who respond to a casting call get the Better Luck Next Time.

I tend to take the Monokubs' fuck-ups at face value. There is an interpretation of them where they were secretly fucking up on purpose as part of Tsumugi's 4-D chess game where every single line and every single choice and every single reaction was pre-scripted in advance.

And. Like. That is a valid interpretation of V3. It's just not my interpretation. I think the Monokubs are sincerely a bunch of useless fuck-ups and left Tsumugi pulling her hair out. They're more fun that way.

There's a lot of stuff in the prologue that's really interesting when you go into it with the lens of who these kids really are.

Like. Kaede's personality in particular is really interesting because she sincerely is the misanthrope that her audition tape would later reveal her to be.

So, everyone auditioned for a new season of Danganronpa and then, some amount of time later, sixteen candidates were selected to be the ones. A reasonable person might send out letters or make a phone call or shoot them an email to go "HEY YOU'RE SELECTED" but Danganronpa being Danganronpa, Tsumugi had more thematically appropriate ideas for how to make her job offers.

This was probably like weeks or months after her audition. Nobody was wearing Danganronpa 53 crew shirts, nobody said "You're hired, let's go shoot Danganronpa 53." She auditioned for the show, a bunch of time passed, and then one day a bunch of people kidnapped her.

Shuichi testifies to the same.

It seems like this is just Standard Practice for the new season's hiring policy.

As they continue talking, it's clear that Kaede thinks she was. Like. Sincerely kidnapped for kidnapping reasons.

She's not really thinking about TV shows right now. She's thinking about how scary and dangerous it is to be kidnapped by strange men and isolated in a mysterious location.

And this does not help.

That is not a brand-recognizable mascot. That is a war mech here to commit violence.

Which is, itself, another one of the Monokubs' fuck-ups.

It's exclamations like "I told you we should have read the script" that make me want to take the Monokubs at face value. If you pay attention to the shit coming out of their mouths, they are actually super bad at hiding the fact that this is a TV show and it's hilarious every time.

It's easy to overlook the first time you play as just Goofy Monokuma Stuff, but Goofy Monokuma Stuff always means something. And with the Monokubs, lines like "We should have read the script" mean... that there was a script, and they didn't read it. The big subversion with the Monokubs is that there is no hidden meaning, they're just fucking dumbasses saying things they aren't supposed to say on-camera. XD

In any case....

A fun thing to note is how completely out-of-place Tsumugi honestly looks here if you're looking for it. Like, she is wearing the most bog-standard anime seifuku. Everyone else is here in a variety of interesting designs but Tsumugi's somewhere between Sailor Mercury and Haruhi Suzumiya.

Among all the more complicated getups, she's giving off mad

energy. But, again, only if you already know to look for it. It's subtle. Keebo, Kokichi, and Gonta's outfits aren't any more complicated than hers.

Once they arrive, it's indeed Rantaro who first starts to clue in. "Oh, shit, this is the Danganronpa we signed up for."

The rest of the kids are slow on the uptake, but Kaede does start to figure things out too.

She recognizes "Monokub" as a derivative of Monokuma and keeps trying to clarify that point, but they cut her off before she can ask.

At this point, she's not so much confused about what this is as she is confused about. Like. What she's supposed to do here.

The Monokubs have fucked up so bad that Kaede's just lost in the plot. She reacts as if she knows what an Ultimate Talent is and what it's meant to signify. But she answers honestly that she doesn't have one.

No one else seems confused by what an Ultimate Talent is either.

This room of Danganronpa nerds are all familiar with the concepts. They're standing in what is now clearly a Danganronpa building talking to Danganronpa characters but they aren't. The characters. Even though they're being treated like they are. What do you even say or do here?

Monosuke, to his credit, attempts to salvage this 'cause the cameras are rolling, we're live, and we need an explanation for what the audience is seeing onscreen.

Nicely improvised, Monosuke. Monotaro is less good at this.

"According to the backstory" are actual words that leave his robot bear lips when attempting to whitewash over this flub with a lore-dump. I still can't get over that. This is one of my favorite Monokub lines.

Then, from here, they dress the kids up in costumes, knock them out, program their characters in like they were supposed to from the start, and then take a mulligan on the first act of the show.

I do think this was sincerely a screw-up, and I also think they all did gradually start to realize "Oh shit, this is the Danganronpa show." But for the sake of not giving the twist away to the player, they aren't able to be super obvious about it.

[asktheahogesandblondes]

Okay so to everyone, how did monokuma have the monokubs, I mean he is a robot after all, so how.

Junko:I don't know, one day he told me that he fucked up and couldn't keep it in his pants, that's were they came from...but he was probably just fucking with me, he tells everyone a different stories, all I know is that I suddenly became a grandma at 19 years old.

Makoto:And I became a Step-Grandpa at 19 years old. At least the kids didn't turn like the parent...