#wanda critical

[musclesandhammering]

Insane take I just saw:

“Seems like Loki represents order while Wanda represents chaos.”

See.. this is what annoys me about Wanda’s magic being called chaos magic. Loki is the god of chaos. Not even in the comics, I’m talking the real actual Loki from Norse mythology. And when it comes to the mcu, chaos is his whole thing. That was like the entire theme of the series. They even created a parallel by outright saying that Ravonna (and HWR) is order & Sylvie (and Loki) is chaos.

In addition to that, the whole idea of him becoming god of stories was about him defying the rigid order that He Who Remains had been enforcing for eons. Him destroying the loom and restructuring the multiverse into a tree was specifically so that chaos could exist and everyone would have free will. That’s the whole point of the God of Stories. That’s the whole point of the God of Mischief. That’s the whole point of the Norse deity Loki. He is the embodiment of chaos.

Like, I understand that Wanda is also heavily aligned with that concept in the mcu & the comics, but atp people are ignoring and misunderstanding the Loki series/Loki’s character in general on purpose just so their fav doesn’t have to share anything.

[musicfeedsmysoul12]

Why don’t you like Wanda?

It kind of boils down to my issues about redemption buuuuut…

1) Her entire reason to hate Tony is fucking DUMB. ‘The bomb hit our home and it said Stark’. Is just… okay so, the legitimate company that only sold weapons to the USA military somehow sold a weapon to your country? More likely Stane was at fault or it was fake. But even then, he designed it? Okay… why are you mad at HIM and not the people who SHOT IT?!? It’s just so dumb.

2) she worked with Hydra. No matter how you dress it up, she did. And ‘they lied to her’ doesn’t work when she can read minds.Plus like… Tony was working with SHIELD? So… she thought that they’d let her kill him? What?

3) I actually hate how far they changed her character for MCU because like okay, yeah change what’s needed for the movies, but having a Jewish Romani character become a white Nazi?!?!?!??!? Are you kidding?!?!?? What?!?! You could have made her an experiment kidnapped by Hydra and being threatened to comply while trying to sneak info to the Avengers! See, WAY better!!!

[vicontheinternet]

Ok so bucky was court ordered(?) to go to therapy but Wanda wasn’t girl killed her boyfriend then a second later saw him get resurrected only to die brutally right in front of her eyes she wasn’t ok and the events of wandavision could’ve been avoided by making her got to therapy because like is she even a legal us citizen. She wasn’t in civil war.

[pinktwingirl]

The MCU really be like

[musclesandhammering]

Late to this post, but I see nothing but facts.

It’s also annoying how obvious it was that the writers intentionally manipulated this scene in Wanda’s favour. Like the things you mentioned (Mr Fantastic giving away Black Bolt’s power, them all standing politely as their team mates got killed one by one instead of attacking wanda as a group, Maria being killed by a statue) were all clearly done that way specifically so it wouldn’t be as unrealistic for Wanda to win.

If they had all engaged her at once and Maria help her off while Black Bolt surprised her with his powers, she 100% would’ve lost. And probably died.

*Multiverse of Madness SPOILERS*

Time for me to talk about the Illuminati death scenes, cause this was some bullcrap.

First, Black Bolt: I genuinely feel sorry for fans of the character and the Inhumans. Honestly, I haven't seen the Inhumans show, so I don't know if it's bad or good (even though I've heard from some people who said it was a bad show). I did hear that Anson Mount played the character in the show, and he was fine in MoM. He even got the comic accurate costume, tuning fork and all. Although, I feel bad for the actor since he got to reprise his role only to get killed off in a brutal way for a PG-13 movie. I understand taking Black Bolt out first since he's a major threat to Wanda, but the reason she was able to do that was because Reed had to tell her what his power is, which is so stupid. You don't tell your enemy what they're capable of! Also, I thought he'd be the one that should've held his own against Wanda (the other two should've been Professor X and Captain Marvel) based on his abilities. Dude could level an entire town with a mere word!

Mr. Fantastic: I'm so sorry Fantastic Four fans. Now, because he was in the movie for a couple of minutes, I can't judge how well John Krasinski acted as Reed Richards, but he was fine in the movie. Speaking of Krasinski, this was a fancast made by so many fans for years. Well, we got the fancast we wanted....only for him to turn into string cheese and get his head popped off by Wanda. The effects for his stretching was okay, and the costume was okay, but god damn was Reed done dirty here. His death was the slowest out of the Illuminati, which I don't understand why the hell Peggy and Maria just stood there and not attack Wanda to save Reed! Also, Reed's supposed to be one of the smartest people in Marvel, but he tells Wanda Black Bolt's power, and stretches his arm to grab her when he saw what he did to his teammate. Yeah, Reed in the comics messes up, but come on! Now, if the Fantastic Four movie's still happening and Krasinski isn't casted, that's gonna be a huge insult to fans who wanted to see him play that role.

Captain Carter: Anyone noticed that Wanda easily get rid of the two male members, but struggles to fight against the two female members? I don't know how I feel about that. Anyway, I still don't get why Peggy is a member of the Illuminati, but okay. And she has a jetpack for some reason. Did it suck that she died? Yeah, it was a bummer. But, I'm surprised that Wanda had a longer fight with her than Black Bolt and Mr. Fantastic, and that she struggled against Peggy and Maria more than the others. Also, "I can do this all day"....seriously?! She had to have Steve's catchphrase?!

Captain Marvel: So, she's one of the three that should've held her own and she did. But, her death was a giant statue falling on top of her? I wanted to call bullcrap on that cause Carol has flown through space ships, and this Maria variant dies from a statue. Maybe it was because Wanda absorbed her powers, but it was hard to tell. If she did do that however, why the hell doesn't she do that to everyone else?! Also, Maria's attitude rubbed me the wrong way, but I think the writers made her and the others arrogant so that they'd easily get killed by Wanda. It's still annoying though.

Now, there's still Charles Xavier but that's gonna be a long post for later. And, I know some people are gonna say "they're variants, it's fine". No. No, it's not fine. This was the first introduction to Mr. Fantastic, and Black Bolt in an MCU movie. Them getting brutally murdered shouldn't be part of that. It's insulting to the Fantastic Four fans and the Inhumans fans. This is also Captain Carter's live action debut, and this would piss off some of the Peggy stans too. Too bad Wanda is "dead", otherwise, I'd hope Sue Storm, Medusa, or Franklin Richards would've hunted her down and kicked her butt for killing their loved ones. I pick them because of how close they are to them. Anyone else who's capable of beating up the witch is fine by me if they join in.

[predictablesloth]

Hoping this offering to the lesbian gods will appease them so they'll send me a lesbian of my own.

[sourpatchgrapes]

Is the mcu allergic to Romani people???

Updated + p.s MCU WANDA FANS DON'T FUCKING INTERACT, I DON'T LIKE YOU.

[icedsodapop]

Whitewashing Romani Marvel characters and the erasure of Romani influences, from a Romani perspective:

[musclesandhammering]

Idk how this has so few notes bc this is honestly one of the best mcu metas I’ve ever read.

Captain America and the double-edge blade of “Context” from the outside perspective.

So… here’s the thing. The MCU, being a movie, allows us to have and add the context of Steve’s thoughts and beliefs to his actions. The framing of the movies and plot tell us to believe that Steve is “the good, moral man.”

But this is just telling us what Steve believes and what the writers believe. Anyone that’s consumed media can tell you that it’s really really easy for writers/directors to accidentally portray their characters in a way that sends a message that they hadn’t intended on. 

And the message that they accidentally conveyed? Steve may unknowingly be a Hydra sympathizer or a fascist sympathizer.

(Not a Nazi sympathizer, which is…close, but specifically a Hydra one.)

That’s sounds horrible, right? Super way off base? 

And it IS. That’s kinda my point. They didn’t mean to make it seem like that, but in universe, it would be stupidly easy for any journalist to make that case, regardless of whether or not it’s true.

Keep reading

[musclesandhammering]

On Narrative Bias

I keep saying it annoys me how Wanda has done so many evil ass things and is never held accountable for her actions, and it never fails that someone tries to respond with “but aren’t you a loki stan? He’s done evil shit too! So you have a double standard and are a misogynist!!!!” Yeah, no. The difference is that you can clearly tell who the writers have predetermined as a hero vs a villain. You can tell who they want you to root for. Loki’s actions are given narrative consequences as harsh as possible, while Wanda’s are narratively excused and softened and sympathised. Let me show you what I mean.

* Loki commits treasons, tries to kill his brother & attempts genocide -> Loki’s father rejects him while he attempts suicide

* Loki tries to conquer earth -> Loki is sentenced to life in prison

* Loki incapacitates the king and secretly takes the throne -> Loki is threatened with a hammer to the face, we’re reminded how awful he is by all the other characters for the rest of the movie & he would’ve faced more consequences if the apocalypse hadn’t interrupted

* Loki steals the tesseract from the vault -> Loki watches his brother be tortured & then has his neck snapped

Now compare that to…

* Wanda willingly signs up to work for a nazi organisation, tries to help an evil robot murder the avengers, intentionally sets the hulk loose on a town of innocent people, & helps destroy Sokovia for a lil while -> Wanda gets a fatherly pep talk from Clint & is immediately accepted as an Avenger

* Wanda accidentally murders a bunch of people while on a mission -> Wanda is put on temporary house arrest in a giant mansion with her boyfriend

* Wanda buries her boyfriend/teammate under like 10 floors of concrete, breaks out of house arrest, & goes against a government order -> the leader of the superhero team defends her, a grown ass woman, by saying “She’s just a kid!”, she’s detained in a government prison for like a week maybe (?) during which she’s shown as a sad helpless victim to encourage sympathy from viewers, & then she gets busted out by the ex-team leader & eventually gets to run off to Scotland with her boyfriend

* Wanda holds an entire town hostage & tortures them just to fulfil her own grief-fuelled fantasy -> one of the women Wanda attacked reassures her that she’s the actual victim in all this and that the people she tortured just have no idea what she’s sacrificed for them & she escapes to an isolated location to read a forbidden demon book and make herself more powerful without anyone interfering

* Wanda goes on a serial killing spree across the multiverse, kidnaps a child, holds her hostage, tortures her, & attempts to take her powers all so she can steal another Wanda’s children because she misses her children that were never actually real in the first place -> Wanda gets some badass power sequences and #girlboss one liners, is the one that destroys the demon book, essentially saving the multiverse from future corruption, & is allowed to die a hero’s death (which we all know isn’t permanent)

See the difference?

[hello-idk-what]

Why do they only focus on Tony Stark’s ptsd, trauma and mental health in general

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Steve Rogers - World War II veteran, was frozen for 70 years, lived through the Great Depression, best friend fell to death in front of him, proberly feels tremendous guilt for not searching for Bucky’s body, had abusive father in comics (you’d have to guess it was MCU cannon due to how they had no mention of his dad being otherwise)

Thor Odinson - has fought in many battles, mom was killed, dad died in front of him, had to kill his sister, lost his home, watched his brother die several times, had to fight his brother many times, was forced to rule when he didn’t wish to (“And believe me I would love for someone else to rule but is can’t be you. You’re just… the worst”)

Bruce Banner - turns into a homicidal, destructive monster

Clint Barton - was a shield agent, not much is known about him

Natasha Romanoff - Red Room, ex shield agent, the Ohio mission, never knew her family, Antonia Dreykov, guilt

Sam Wilson - ex pararescue, watched best friend fall to death

Wanda Maximoff - bombing survivor, two days stuck under rubble, human experimentation, forced to kill boyfriend, lost children, was left so horribly traumatised by killing vision that she accidentally mind controlled a small town to create a reality where everything was fine, was corrupted by the dark hold into trying to kill a child, was left hated for a accident that happens while trying to save people (Lagos), dead brother

Bucky Barnes - was kidnapped and experimented on, fell to ‘death’, was taken, had memories wiped, tortured, brainwashed, forced to kill, nearly killed best friend twice

Peter Parker - Uncle died in front of him, parents died when he was young, bullied, nearly crushed by falling building, blackmailed into fighting superheroes he was to inexperienced to fight, mentor died in front of him, aunt died in front of him, pressured into for filling a role he can’t, was forced to wipe everyone’s memories of him, lost everything

Carol Danvers - was kidnapped, had her memories wiped, was betrayed by her friend, still is recovering her memories in her second movie

Scott Lang - was kept out of his daughters life, lost years of her life to prison/thanos

Black Panther - saw his father die, almost kills a innocent man out vengeance, was nearly killed by his cousin

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I could keep going on but I think you get the point

So many other mcu characters have trauma, many show signs of ptsd and I am a strong believer is Steve Rogers having really bad depression. My point is that there are so many other characters whose mental health the mcu could unpack but they continuously chose to not acknowledge it. Instead of fleshing out other characters via there mental health they keep choosing to shove Tony Starks daddy issues and the one time he flew into a wormhole in our face, which in my opinion was good the first time round but is now overused.

[geekns]

IMO Loki never wanted to be the bad guy but was treated as unwanted and other his entire life. His brother's friends treated him like shit. Don't even get me started about Odin. No matter how hard he tried, he couldn't win. Years after the Battle of NYC, people were still abusing him, trying to control him, and judging him even after he rescued others repeatedly. He guaranteed that Thanos wouldn't purge earth to retrieve the Tesseract. He protected Jane with his own body. He recruited Valkyrie. He was a better ruler than his father was in many respects. But people only see him as a villain. All while fully forgiving Bucky, Wanda, etc.

Meanwhile, Wanda had her twin growing up and even someone who loved her despite the fact that she was a mind-warping terrorist. It's sad that Quicksilver and Vision died, but that's no excuse for going full villain, kidnapping and torturing an entire town, and trying to murder a child. She dove head first into using the Darkhold and murdered how many people? Basically anyone who got in her way.

Everyone tells Loki that he's selfish when he's obviously not. Wanda is as selfish as it gets.

loki got thrown in jail ??? lmaoo??

[sukibenders]

"I'm team feminist/feminism!" But will quickly drag a female character through the mud without sympathy for their circumstances just because they don't fit your ideals, will get mad when poc criticize a female character's actions that are very thinly coded in racism and say "support her crimes!" while ignoring how that often leads to the harm of poc characters, will shade woc characters or put them on higher pedestals than their yte counterparts while ignoring the harm they face while trying to meet your standards, will victim blame those who suffer (and are still suffering) from abuse when they act out in ways you deem "wrong" because of it, following up with the last point will mock and laugh at said abuse to uplift another female character (pitting women against women, even when the narrative does not ask for that), will dismiss any valuable argument displayed if the said female character is a little mean but then go and say "why can't female characters be mean? 🙄"

I could go on.

[rewritingcanon]

my sister and i just yapped for almost three hours and we were just talking about how genuinely weird people in fandom are surrounding characters who have explicit mental illness. like they can never ever be normal. there are characters who are romanticised and glamourised for their mental illness (eren. wanda. joker. kaneki. nico. almost any danganronpa/ddlc character). characters who are consistently ridiculed for their mental illness either because it simply isn’t getting taken seriously (reiner) or because no one takes the character seriously (armin). and there are the characters that get blatantly outright DESPISED for it (basil, harry potter, korra, gale, also eren etc etc). like yes im seeing a correlation but its still so astounding how selective people are about where they draw the line with mental illness and what traits they can accept.

[musclesandhammering]

I mean the funny thing about her being so obsessed with finding ‘her kids’ (that weren’t even real) is that, even when she was living her little fantasy land life in Westview… she wasn’t actively being a mother.

Like she wasn’t taking care of them, raising them, getting them up in the morning, cooking them meals, driving them to school, etc etc. She was spending a few minutes with them at a time and then magic-ing them away when she didn’t want them in the scene. When they had needs (crying etc) she’d just wave her hand and alter reality to make them stop crying (not actually try to fix it like a real parent would).

My point is, she goes on and on about how important being a mother is to her, but she’s never been a mother. She was a spell-casting director overseeing a stage production that had a few scenes with kids in it. Her searching the multiverse for her children is ridiculous considering she never had children, just characters in her sitcom. That whole Westview situation wasn’t her parenting, she was essentially just playing with sims characters. Ugh.

I still can't see why marvel wants me to sympathic for wanda being sad over losing her AI kids that she barely knew for upwards of a week....

[thetimelordbatgirl]

MCU stans trying to act like it runs in the family with Wanda and Billy...I mean, if your referencing the ethnic erasure, it sure does!