#very very anti daemon aemond and aegon ii

[ladyofthebears]

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[pessimisticpigeonsworld]

Rhaenyra and Motherhood

Motherhood is an integral part to Rhaenyra's character, both in the show and the book. So many of her actions are based on her children and her legacy is carried by her sons Aegon III and Viserys II. However, her antis are obsessed with removing motherhood from her character or claiming that she was simply a bad mother.

Rhaenyra's motivations throughout the Dance were driven by her love for her children. From the loss of Visenya fueling her desire to reclaim her throne to Joffrey's death causing her to return to Dragonstone. Even before the Dance, Rhaenyra's desire to protect her children was part of her motivation for marrying Daemon so quickly.

Despite these facts, Rhaenyra's antis always want to portray Rhaenyra as a selfish woman who doesn't care about her children and only wants power and to get laid. They blatantly ignore how Rhaenyra loves her children so completely.

Rhaenyra raised Jace to be someone even Mushroom agreed would be a great king. He was kind, intelligent, protective, a good military strategist even at fourteen, and a skilled fighter. Even though the show decided to give many of his attributes to Aemond, he's still a good man and much wiser than his older uncles. He was also respectful towards women and had a good relationship with Baela.

Lucerys was greatly loved by Rhaenyra, in the show she calls him her sweet boy. She raised Luke to be a kind and brave boy, he was respectful to Rhaena and had a sweet relationship with her. He was protective of his siblings and just wanted to make his mother proud.

Joffrey was a brave boy, perhaps too much for his own good. He wanted to defend what was left of his family, which led to his untimely death. But in life he was loved by his siblings and Rhaenyra and she was fiercely protective of him.

"Nor would she suffer to be parted from Prince Aegon, her last living son...day and night the boy remained by her side like a small pale shadow."

Even though the show hasn't yet given us any stills of Rhaenyra and Aegon the Younger, we know a lot about their relationship from the book. After the deaths of her other children, Rhaenyra held Aegon closer than ever. He grew to be a good king, despite his severe PTSD. He was firm with his advisors, stabilized the realm after the Dance, strove for peace, visited the sick, and tried to bring back dragons using magic. The only reason he isn't remembered fondly is because he wasn't happy or interested in kissing up to the lords.

Due to Viserys' age at the time of the Dance and his subsequent separation from his family, we don't know much about his relationship with Rhaenyra. But we do know that his disappearance was greatly grieved by her and that he was very close to his brother Aegon. Regardless, Viserys was a good king and such a skilled politician he was compared to Jaehaerys himself.

Visenya may have been stillborn, but she was greatly loved by Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra's only daughter, she was mourned greatly by her parents and it was her loss that helped spur Rhaenyra in her desire to reclaim her throne.

Motherhood is one of the key aspects of Rhaenyra's character. Her trauma revolving around the tragic death of her mother makes her love for her children and happiness as a mother even more compelling. She was at her happiest when she was able to live with her beloved husband and children unbothered by the Greens. She deserved to reign with her children around her. Their loss destroyed her emotionally and removed any hope Aegon and Aemond had for mercy from her or her faction.

Even though the misogyny of Westeros prevented her from being remembered as a true queen, her children are still fondly remembered. It's through them her legacy and final victory over the Greens live on, and the Green stans hate that so they try to remove her connection to her children. But their efforts are as useless as their favs, as Rhaenyra's legacy is alive and well in ASOIAF through Daenerys and their beloved usurper and his bitch mother are only remembered as war mongers and power hungry thieves.

[darklinaforever]

Me when people think that being a groomer or a rapist goes hand in hand with being morally gray / an anti hero :

Once again, people confuse complexity /being interesting, with gray morality / anti-hero.

If you think a character can be an anti-hero /morally gray, while still being a groomer or a rapist, we have a serious problem.

Because I'm tired of people saying that Daemon can remain the morally gray and anti-hero character that he is while being a so-called groomer (which he is not in HOTD or F&B).

Or that Aegon II, a canonical rapist (whether in HOTD or F&B) is at the same time morally gray.

This kind of opinion sends shivers down my spine.

These characteristics cannot make you a morally gray character or an anti-hero. Certainly not. On the other hand, they can totally be interesting and / or complex villains.

Daemon is a morally gray and complex character, more precisely an anti-hero and he is not a groomer, whether in HOTD or F&B.

Aegon II is a character who is a villain / antagonist, and he is a rapist. On the other hand, he is certainly not morally gray. On top of that he's not even really interesting or complex in an objective way, since he's written as a fairly caricatured and disgusting villain.

Besides, most of the Greens are caricatured villains who are not really complex. On the other hand, some, like the characters of Alicent and Aemond for exemple, can be interesting despite that.

Whether it's Alicent being a villain who embraces her political ambitions and greed for power while leading a faction to carry out a usurpation.

Or for Aemond, with his narrative role as Daemon's foil.

I've drifted, but the point is that we need to stop believing that because a character is morally gray / complex / an anti-hero that he can commit grooming or rape.

It's not fucking okay...

And don't let anyone compare that to murder. Tolerance is very different for these subjects in fiction.

Killing someone narratively can work in the context of a character who is morally gray / an anti-hero, because he can commit them for specific reasons related to his cause or things that fall under emotional understanding.

Not a grooming or a rape.

[lemonhemlock]

Grrm was pro black but anti rhaenyra considering how all of her children died with the exception of those fathered by Daemon.

Aegon's children all of them died including his bastard gaemon , and all of them died horrific deaths, he was crippled, burnt and died poisoned.

Rhaenyra's strong children died in meaningless and useless ways , even her dragon who was described as fat , spoiled and lazy and has the color of piss . died in the most pathetic way possible for a dragon.

and she herself died in the most pathetic and cruelest way possible while being remembered as Maegor with tits the equivalent of Hi*ler with tits , also her rule has made westros 1000x more misgonystic than before .

Daemon on the other hand got a heroic death , putting his sword through the eye of the anime villain named Aemond , saving the people of the riverlands from this genocidal maniac in the most badass way jumping off his dragon and sacrificing himself. All of his children from multiple women survived. Baela faced sunfyre yet she managed somehow to deal fatal injuries to him and was the cause of his death, strangely Neither sunfyre or aegon managed to kill her . Aegon shattered his legs and she just got few burns . Aegon iii somehow managed to survive although I can't really see why Aegon ii or any of the greens supporters were able or willing to kill him and finish the war . Viserys and rhaena survived and lived a long life. Daemon unlike rhaenyra was beloved by many

Daemon's dragon is one of coolest dragons called the bloody worm and one of the strongest and one of the fiercest dragons out there. This lizard somehow managed to kill the largest dragon of her time Vhaegar. Strangely Rhaenyra's bloodline didn't continue from her son jaecerys who is by all the accounts would make a good king. Her bloodline only continue through her children from Daemon . And now I'm sure 100% if Daemon managed somehow to impregnate Aegon , Aegon's child from daemon will 1000000% survive. The dance of dragons instead of being an epic and tragic tale about how the mythical dragons went to extinct . It's actually just a boring and cringe Daemon's fanfic.

Pretty much this - Rhaenyra is quite punished by the narrative for her sins, but Daemon gets off scot free, although he is way more despicable than she is. George lets two of her children live, but only because she shares them with Daemon. 🙄 Meanwhile they refuse to acknowledge their own mother as Queen - Aegon numbers himself as III, following II, therefore acknowledging our Aegon as a legitimate King. Whereas Rhaenyra is very much not considered a ruling monarch within Westerosi historiography, even though both Aegon III and Viserys II had the power to make that change at some point. Viserys II also had the audacity to pass over the claims of his three nieces by resorting to legal arguments that invalidated his mother's entire play for the throne. I wonder what Rhaenyra would have to say about all this.

This may prove an unpopular opinion, but it annoys me how all of Daemon's children get to live, whereas all the others meet gruesome ends. There's no reason for anyone other than Aegon III to live. (In fact, in the AGOT annexes, Viserys II was Aegon III's son, not brother, and no mention of Baela & Rhaena). Jaehaera lives for a little while, but even so, it's a 4-to-1 ratio that soon turns into 4-to-0. Rhaena even gets this hopeful narrative of hatching the last living dragon, but to what end? That dragon is going to live a very short life because it's never heard from again & George needs all the dragons to die, exclusively, so Morning either died during Rhaena's lifetime or shortly after her death? What's the point? She and her sister also get that distasteful Maiden's Day Cattle Show gotcha-moment with Daenaera. The Daemon favouritism is just beyond. I'm sorry, but it does feel like wish fulfilment fanfiction. I'm hard-pressed to find a Targaryen I like from this point on in the family tree.

And now I'm sure 100% if Daemon managed somehow to impregnate Aegon , Aegon's child from daemon will 1000000% survive.

This took me out. 😂 Damn, I want Egg to live so much I'd be tempted to accept this devil's covenant. Exorcist-style mpreg but the greens get to win at the end?

[finitefall]

It's so sad that Targ antis have taken over the Greens because I genuinely enjoy their characters for the over-the-top villains they are. But now I have to see brain-meltingly stupid takes about how akshully Aegon II was the rightful heir and patriarchy is good and Rhaenyra is the villain and just a shitload of misogyny in general. F&B was better when it was just real Targ Nation enjoying it -_-

That's the main issue with Green stans, nonnie: they don't enjoy the characters as antagonists or villains. They love the Greens the way Condal and Hess love them, those writers who said the source material wasn't reliable (lol) to justify the changes in the show. And yes, it’s sad. They don’t seem to realize that book!Alicent would hate show!Alicent, or they don’t care.

Honestly, Greens stans seem to be Alicent stans from what I've seen, not fans of all the Greens. They feel for Alicent being a victim of her father who forced her to seduce Viserys, they complain about Aegon being a rapist, they're disgusted by Larys because once again Alicent is a victim of men. So without Otto, Aegon and Larys, we're left with Aemond, Helaena and Criston. Aemond is amazing for calling Rhaenyra's sons bastards, Criston is amazing for turning on Rhaenyra, Helaena is just a precious cupcake (I love Helaena too, it's impossible to hate her).

Basically, Greens stans are Alicent stans who hate Rhaenyra and Daemon. Very exciting compared to Blacks stans who love more than one character, are interested by others, want to know more about the children...

[daeneryseastar]

this comment annoyed me enough to make my own response in the main post, kudos to them for that!

here is the list of suspected or confirmed historical kinslayers, one will notice that rhaenyra is *not* included in this. those that make their debut are aegon ii, aemond, and daemon targaryen. aegon murdered his half-sister, aemond murdered his nephew, daemon ordered blood & cheese + killed his nephew. there’s a pattern here, in the degrees of relation. seeing as DAEMON was the one to execute vaemond (not ‘someone’ like this person claims), you’ll *also* notice that this act is not shown as proof of his kinslaying, that lies in him, again, orchestrating jaehaerys’ murder & slaying aemond via sword through his remaining eye.

it also isn’t such a *wild* accusation to say rhaenyra reviled kinslaying — we have no proof she was involved in blood & cheese, considering she dissociated pretty clearly after luke’s murder, becoming incapacitated enough that jace took over her duties — & grrm basically confirmed she ordered for maelor to be brought back alive to the red keep as a valuable hostage in his own ‘anti hotd’ blog post. vaemond was not considered by anyone in the annals of history to be *close enough* in kin for his execution to count.

‘you think’ is not substantiative proof to support your claim. tacking on that ‘one name, one house, one family’ doesn’t give you any favors, either, seeing as vaemond is a VELARYON and rhaenyra is a TARGARYEN. what name do they share?

we don’t actually have a definitive definition of what a kinslayer is besides who has committed the act, and that those who commit said act are accursed forevermore. regardless rhaenyra’s closest relation to the velaryons is alyssa velaryon, her great-great grandmother. vaemond is a descendent of daemon velaryon, alyssa’s older brother, and he isn’t corlys’ brother like in hotd, he’s his nephew. once again, they aren’t closely enough related for this to matter.

vaemond committed treason by stating rhaenyra’s first three sons were bastards. the rumors about the boys parentage were put to the side the minute their cradle eggs hatched — something NONE of alicent’s children did — by everyone who didn’t have something to gain from their disinheritance. she dispatched daemon to execute him, not someone. corlys was aware of this and took no issue. treason is punishable by death, whether he called rhaenyra a whore or no. that is the way of the average feudal society. ‘desecrating’ a corpse is certainly a new stretch to lay blame to, but it isn’t against the law. she also didn’t order for his sons to have their tongues cut out, that was her father, the KING of the seven kingdoms. i’m assuming either way this person would have taken issue with it, because it just ‘proves’ how big, bad, and evil rhaenyra is in comparison to her pedophilic rapist brother & her sociopathic mass murdering rapist brother 🤓

vaemond velaryon allowed his gluttony for power to exceed him, even if jace/luke/joff were disinherited by andal custom the driftwood throne would pass to baela, then rhaena, before he even came up in the line of inheritance. the heirship of driftmark is eventually succeeded by a legitimized bastard anyway (a bastard legitimized by the ‘false queen’ to boot, who’s rulership was stripped from the records, but that didn’t matter in the end, did it?)

i also don’t happen to care rhaenyra ordered his execution. in fact, i wish she HAD given the greens a reason to fear her outright murdering them upon her ascension, besides her super scary gender. oh well.

btw you can only claim them being ‘afraid for their very lives’ for so long when thousands of innocents AND their entire bloodline end up on the chopping block because they stupidly chose to escalate their bigotry into outright war. guess we’ll never know if those fears were truly founded or not.

givemelibertypleasw is focusing too much on show fanon, not what’s actually in the books.

Both Criston and Otto made wild accusations about her killing her siblings but Rhaenyra was ready to forgive them because she saw them as victims of Hightower ambition. She only turned on them AFTER Luke’s murder, not before.

People forget how damaging the tarnish of kinslaying is in Westerosi culture. Rhaenyra would never start her Queenship with this because it would make people turn against her.

Daemon’s shown to be a wild card in the show because the dumbass writers think passive women = feminism. In the books he’s Rhaenyra’s attack dog, he doesn’t kill without her direct order e.g. Vaemond Velaryon. So no, he wouldn’t kill her siblings because like I said kinslaying is political suicide and Rhaenyra made no indication she blames her siblings for her crown being usurped.

imo I think she would still be against kinslaying despite Luke’s death if Aemond had been punished, instead Aegon II threw him a feast. How else would a grieving mother react?

She wouldn’t kill them but she’s also smart enough to know keeping them around will have long term repercussions, especially for Jace. What I can see her do is have Daeron and Aemond sent to the Wall or to the Citadel to become Septons/Maesters that way they automatically lose their claim. She’d do the same to Jaehaerys and Maelor when they come of age. As for Aegon he would be put under house arrest, similar to what Baelor I had done to his three sisters. Helaena isn’t a threat by herself and Jaehaera could be easily married off to Joffrey.

Point is Rhaenyra had options when it came to her siblings that didn’t involve kinslaying. Options she would’ve gone through with if it wasn’t for Luke and Jace’s death and the Greens subsequent reaction to said deaths.

i don’t have anything to add, this right here is exactly it.

[warsofasoiaf]

What parts of Westeros were the Greens mainly from? What sorts of people supported the Greens, do you think? And how would you go about expanding the Greens faction and giving them more depth like the Blacks?

That's the thing, the Greens came from everywhere; it was the blacks that faced a numerical disadvantage, or so says the text. There were Green supporters in most of the regions of Westeros - the Westerlands was almost all green, the Stormlands sat out the war until the Muddy Mess but were mostly green, the Reach was divided largely along pro and anti-Hightower lines, the Riverlands were split. Of course, the text devotes little time exploring how the Greens have this numerical advantage, in fact, more houses are explicitly listed as supporting the blacks than the greens - yet another example of how the greens are largely seen as afterthoughts, not serious characters. (Thanks, @beyondmistland)

So in that sense, your second and third things go together. This is a large faction supporting Aegon II, but largely we don't get any real demonstrable character action save for a few people. Aemond supports his brother, the Hightowers want their faction to succeed, Criston Cole very clearly hates Rhaenyra, but what about Ironrod? Does Tyland Lannister believe in the succession, or is he pissed that House Lannister was snubbed on a match with Rhaenyra? Why did the Brackens support the greens and the Blackwoods support the blacks instead of the other way around and play out their feud that way? It's outright mentioned that there were green supporters that wanted Aegon II because he was a more pliable king, but where are these councilors doing stuff in the text that show them angling for a greater push into policy? What makes matters worse in the Dance is that we actually have a very concrete person in Criston Cole in his hatred of Rhaenyra. Why it begins is given some speculation, but his hatred informs a lot of his character action. His killing of Joffrey Lonmouth, beating of Harwin Strong, and murder of Lyman Beesbury all show his hatred driving his violence, his plan at Rook's Rest demonstrate his hatred and goals driving plot action - he devises a plan to trap and kill Rhaenyra.

So, we need to give these greens greater characterization. Does Ironrod believe that Aegon II is the lawful successor, and his position as Master of Laws holding that legal tradition separate, even over the king's personal oath, or does he hate Daemon Targaryen for turning the Goldcloaks into his private shakedown squad? Both are fine answers, but neither is given anything. Who among the greens supports Aegon because they believe he is a more pliable king, and what actions do they take to put themselves into policy? Who among the greens just believes that Rhaenyra would be a shit queen? We hear among the council meeting that Daemon would be a bloody prince-consort, but is that believed sincerely, or is it just thrown out as a post hoc justification for something that they already want to do? The former would require the character to take some action or make some statement before the fateful council to cement their intent - we don't get it in any of the writing. As it stands, most of the greens are just palookas, lame, shitty characters with flimsy reasoning to act as a shitty as they do whose purpose is to get their faces kicked in so the blacks look better. The blacks are also terrible, but at least they're characters - the greens only get a few decent characterizations, and even then, they end up being chumps. Criston Cole dies doing little, Alicent Hightower disappears from the story halfway through, the greens only achieve Pyrrhic victories - any actual good military successes are throwaway lines.

Thanks for the question, Messanger.

SomethingLikeALawyer, Hand of the King

[sweetestpopcorn]

Why are the bad qualities (arrogance, temper, sometimes dumbass) so attractive in Daemon while anyone else with or without a dragon jsut seems repulsive.

Take Aemond/Aegon ii for example. They are also arrogant, promiscuous, temperamental, ride legendary dragons yet they are just🤮 while daemon 😈

Hi there 🤗

Short answer: because Daemon has the goods to back them up while his poor excuses for nephews don't. Also Targaryen supremacy my friend. Targaryens >>>>>> Everyone else.

#haterscry

#cryhard

Longer answer: Daemon's grey, and while he has a lot of darkness to him, he also has many qualities that balance the bad out, not to mention he's presented to us as an anti-hero or sorts much more than a villain. Same is true of the Blacks. They aren't heroes, but they aren't villains either, they are something in between, very much like an anti-hero. Which does explain why the majority of people either love them, or don't support them and say they are neutral during the Dance.

The Greens, for how much George tries, are mostly villains, and have the ending of villains - no redemption, no line to carry on, they are just gone. Most people don't support them, as is usual of villains. Only a small minority tries to see more to them, to explain their actions, or to try and make them into what they were not to make them more likable for others as well.

I have spoken about Daemon's qualities before at great length so I won't do so here again. Let me mention though how Aegon and Aemond are presented to us.

First neither of them were popular or well liked by anyone. Daeron despite being the younger was the most popular and better liked of the the three.

Aegon was said to be lazy, glutenous, and promiscuous. He was also easy to manipulate and seems to have no great personality of his own. The only things he has in his advantage are: the fact that he is a Targaryen, his bond with Sunfyre, and maybe he can inspire a sense of compassion in some of a sort for having been denied what no other man in House Targaryen in his position was.

As for Aemond he was cruel, took great pleasuring on hurting those he didn’t like. Wasn’t very polite. Was a coward 99% of the time. His “redeeming” qualities would be his bravery when he claimed Vhagar, and maybe people might feel sorry for him when he lost his eye.

Not looking good from where I am standing. 😂😂😂

All the best to you, Anon.

[darklinaforever]

Rants over anti-Targaryen :

Explain to me the logic of people who think that black people are crazy in the series? I mean… Under what pretext? They are no worse than the other Houses in this universe though. Pro-racial? Supremacist? Why do people throw words they don't seem to know the definition of? All this to proudly say I am anti-imperialist and anti-royalist? Like… Have you read GOT? Do you know the universe of this story in general? Do you even know the history of the other houses before calling the Targaryens supremacists or colonizers?! The Targaryens have nothing to do with fucking colonizers or supremacists! Htiler was a supremacist! Oh, sorry, I forgot that sometimes Targaryens are also Nazis...

Horrible, because Blood and Cheese? Do you realize that Aemond shed blood first in this case? I'm not saying it justifies it, but it's a point worth noting. Black people didn't decide to kill a child just for fun.

You are also aware that the case must have escaped a chouilla at the hands of Daemon? He wasn't with the assassins when it happened. I doubt the guy, having a mandate against rape and having never raped anyone that we know of (although for obscure reasons many say he is) would suggest/order his killers to threaten to rape their target ? To think that Daemon is willfully responsible in the DETAILS for what happened that day is stupid. Just look at a minimum of historical fiction to find out.

The only thing he really did for sure (although he is indeed indirectly responsible for the rest that happened) was to send the assassins, no matter the risk, to have the son of Aegon II to avenge the death of his stepson Luke, (although having innocent children killed is horrible), also an innocent children, who I remember was killed by Aemond, starting the fucking war !

And, what is this obsession with saying that Blood and Cheese is what actually started the war?! No, it is not! Stop trying to blame Daemon for everything, especially when Aemond is really responsible!

Seriously, the amount of times I see Daemon = mass murderer / rapist / war maker is mind boggling! Especially knowing that it is in fact AEMOND, and not DAEMON, who committed all these crimes! Do you know how to read people?!

Let's not even talk about that grooming bullshit fixed on Daemon for his relationship with Rhaenyra, but never apply to other men in this universe because fuck the logic? Daemon was exiled for 7 fucking years, having no contact with Rhaenyra since she was 7, returning when she was 14! So an adult according to the laws of Westeros and ready to marry! It's not because he would have seduced her that it is similar to grooming! Review your fucking definitions, and open your history books! And why is no one talking about Criston Cole?! Whoever desired Rhaenyra when he ACTIVELY spent his time with her as a protector from when she was a CHILD until she was 16?! At least Daemon barely spent time with Rhaenyra (as likely as she can't remember being too young) when she was a kid!

How would Hightowers, Vaemond Velaryons and others be "unfairly" criticized for their ambition, but Rhaenyra be praised for putting her "non-Velaryon" son on a throne he had NO right to?!

So, we agree that it's just the blood that matters to you?

Colrys chose his heir alone! I'm not saying it's good compared to Baela, but the fact is that she was never inherited, or even considered to be by Colrys, so nothing was stolen from her! Colrys is the one who chose Lucerys as his rightful successor, and Rhaenyra fights for her son's right as a result, which she is right to do! Lucerys was adopted and loved by Laenor as a father, so IF Lucerys IS a Velaryon, besides being a Targaryen! We don't care about the purity of the blood! Colrys knows very well that Lucerys is not his biological grandson, and he doesn't care!

People say it's hypocritical to say we don't care about blood purity, because a lot of Daemyra argue that it's the couple's sons, in terms of "blood purity" logistics, who have more legitimized to the Iron Throne. Except we say that, (at least the ones I've seen) precisely to counter those who use this "blood purity" bullshit to try and kick the children of Rhaenyra off the throne, as if Aegon II were once again the principal inherited accordingly, which it is not, even in their absurd logic! Rhaenyra's children will always be first in line! And you know what proves it? Well simply that George Martin made Aegon III and Viserys II future kings of Westeros. Very good kings, moreover. Even if Jace should indeed have been the next ruler after Rhaenyra as the first born child of the latter in the succession. Rest in peace.

Damn, in one of the versions of the dance, Rhaenyra was not even supposed to have children called "bastards", to be rightly legitimate in the eyes of society! And guess what? The dance would have taken place anyway!

Viserys chose Rhaenyra. Colrys chose Lucerys. We accepted these choices, and swore fidelity accordingly to these heirs. Succession to the Iron Throne or Drifmark were not in question. The Hightowers, and Vaemond Velaryons for doing so are therefore traitors and usurpers, whether you like it or not. This is treason, a crime, JUST by the fucking law you're trying to use to fire Lucerys!

While on the side the greens are apparently self-aware? Really ? These people who speak of descent, blood and laws to justify themselves in their thirst for power and mysoginia are CONSCIOUS of themselves?! That Aemond is friendlier in the book? That Aegon was demonized on the show? You're talking to me about the two rapist brothers in the book, right? More sympathetic in the book and demonized in the series, my ass!

Explain this logic to me?! Even blacks fought more humanely than the greens ever did in the fucking war they started and people try to either put them on the same level or pretend that blacks are worse than the Greens?!

But go read another story that your Puritan morals can handle! Like Grisha for example! Whose author Leigh Bardugo also claims to be a fan of George, lol. Because in case you haven't noticed, the Targaryens are the heroes and not the villains of George Martin's fucking story! (God, how I want George to finish writing his books one day and Daenerys survive them just to see them screaming that the author is an incest apologist, imperialist, supremacist, colonizer, Nazi and so on) It's in the title of his fucking original saga! A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE!

Damn sorry, but I needed to vent a bit after yet another stupid post I came across in the Rhaenyra Targaryen tag.

The post in question, if that interests you :

Shit !