#vee in TTT

[quismihiignem]

Vee Everybody

So much emotion it’ll make you cry

The artist did an amazing job on her

She is the one only who isn’t being taken over by stress and trauma

[sergeantsporks]

Sometimes I like to think about how Vee is a traumatized shapeshifting monstrosity from another dimension who canonically graduated from Normal People School. Girl got a passing grade in being regular. Something normal to want and possible to achieve but not in a sarcastic way

It's a delicious kind of irony that a traumatized shapeshifting monstrosity (affectionate) from another dimension who was raised in a prison ended up fitting in better in the human realm than Luz. Like. H u h.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again! Vee was SO lucky she impersonated Luz because 1) if she did anything weird, everyone just dismissed it as being Luz, 2) she was immediately sent to "crash course in fitting in" camp, giving her all the tools she needed to act like an average human and 3) if anyone noticed her not acting like Luz, they could just chalk it up to the camp doing its job. Not to mention she got a kickass mom who wouldn't kick her out for being a snake person. Vee hit the impersonation jackpot.

But anyway, Vee being just the most average person alive, just such a normal girl is so fun. You go to the Noceda house and it's like "the weirdest girl you've ever met and her equally weird friends" "Super Nerd Camila Noceda who will clock you with a baseball bat" and then Vee whose hobby is Being A Normal Fellow Human. And then you look to the left, and her partner, who went to the same "be normal" camp, is a goth tarot-card-reading witch who works in a museum.

[crawsmost]

on the typical "oh yes i did this drawing months ago and i never posted it" here's a vee

[glyhpsrfvckincol]

Thank you Dana Terrace & crew! You and your show will forever hold a massive chunk of mine and many others hearts! ❤️

[crimeronan]

I've been thinking about Vee and Hunter again and got curious - what is your hc for what will happen if she starts sucking the magic out of Hunter?

there are two possible answers that came to me, both of which i find equally funny.

one is that she just slurps him like a capri sun. delicious

the other is that hunter channels ambient surrounding magic thru his galdorstone. so he's like an all-you-can-eat buffet of constantly-replenishing power. except potentially with the side effect of sucking up the world around him like a capri sun.

i'm sure other people who are more involved in toh's worldbuilding have put a lot more thought into this than i have. it's interesting for sure!

[asherisawkward]

Only ten days until Flapjack has been dead for a whole year, how do you feel about that?

Unpopular opinion but "Thanks To Them" was the best of the three episodes we got for Season 3.

You and I can agree on that. The tone was really well done, even if I disliked the hwy they essentially turned Hunter into a punching bag for the writers. The aesthetic is incredible, and as like that Vee, Masha, and Camila got more screen time. It’s intense and suspenseful, and I love the Halloween vibe.

And it absolutely sucks that they killed Flapjack. It was cruel, unnecessary, and sent a bad message to victims of abuse. (a.k.a. That your abuser will show up when everything is going well and ruin things for you.) Then they didn’t even do anything with it!

R.I.P. Flapjack. You deserved better, Bud.

[ovomoy]

Chapters: 1/6 Fandom: The Owl House (Cartoon) Rating: General Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Camila Noceda & Everyone, Camila Noceda & Luz Noceda, Camila Noceda & Vee, Hunter | The Golden Guard & Camila Noceda Characters: Camila Noceda, Luz Noceda, Vee (The Owl House), Hunter | The Golden Guard (The Owl House), Amity Blight, Willow Park, Gus Porter Additional Tags: During Timeskip in Episode: s03e01 Thanks to Them (The Owl House), Good Parent Camila Noceda, camila doing her best, Everyone Needs A Hug, No beta we die like mne, Author Is Sleep Deprived, Other Additional Tags to Be Added Series: Part 7 of Hunter's Adventures in Friendship, Family, and Other Shenanigans Summary:

'It was raining when her daughter returned from a different world. It was so sudden that Camila wondered if she had missed a sign. Something that was out there, screaming or waving a flag for her to notice. 'This is the day your child is coming back! Pay attention! Be prepared!'

Instead here she was, on what could be any other day of the week - caught completely off guard.'

Or, her daughter returns home, and now Camila has to take care of six kids.

[cherrymoonvol6]

oh.

[salamander-spark]

Silly kitty(Snek)

Somewhat inspired by this pose from TTT

Speaking of that storyboard, I really love how Mike austin draws Vee. Such a creature.

[waywardsunlight]

I think Luz's trauma due to being an abuse victim gets ignored a lot in favor of other characters. Luz has an odd role in the fandom as this character who other characters rely on, or who isn't an abuse victim but is supportive of her friends who are, and I think that ends up missing a huge part of her story.

Belos compliments her a lot, which is partially because he wants to reach out to her and mostly because he thinks he can manipulate her. He does some backhanded compliments, telling her she's improved but she still has work to do to catch up to him. He also thanks her quite a few times. The way he thanks her intentionally triggers her guilt, especially when he thanks her for helping him with Hunter. He also compliments her to put other people down, like when he tells her she's "better than this" (implying their race makes them morally superior).

He also uses the same manipulation tactic on Luz that he does on Hunter, although it doesn't work as well on her. He tries to remove his own agency for his physical violence by blaming the Curse. The biggest example is in King's Tide, when he pretends he can't hear her as he's racing after her to try and kill her. He ends up cutting her face while pretending to be out of control and then in the same sequence has full control and clarity to talk to Hunter and the Collector. He gaslights Luz by trying to make it seem like it was The Curse causing him to act in the way he did.

He refers to Luz as "crazy" to invalidate her emotions and harming Hunter in front of her also is a form of abuse. He's obviously aware that hurting Hunter traumatizes Luz (and everyone else) but as his focus transfers from Hunter to Luz in Hollow Mind, he starts targeting her specifically by harming Hunter to hurt her (especially in TTT). Belos shifts the blame for events from himself to Luz and also attempts to make her feel guilty. Hunter seems to understand that Luz is also being abused and tries to reassure her that Belos is an abuser and she shouldn't take what he says at face value. Luz ends up taking that advice to heart after she's able to forgive herself and face Belos. She doesn't speak to him but is able to hear his manipulation tactics and just. stare at him bc he's full of bullshit.

Just because he 'only' hits her a few times and isn't her guardian doesn't mean he can't abuse her or that he didn't. It's not really a protagonist-antagonist relationship as much as it is "adult man nuking 14 year old repeatedly until she becomes god and kills him". The idea that child abuse can only come from parents and not role models or other adults in your life is odd, because he distinctly holds a position of power over her (literally an Emperor and an adult who intentionally isolates her and the other kids alone to abuse them) and uses it to emotionally and physically harm her.

Papa Titan has to reassure her that she's okay to kill Belos because he's literally a serial killer who's lying about his intentions. Luz still slightly falls for Belos's sympathetic line until that moment because he very intentionally tried to get her to feel bad for him and also feel guilt about herself.

This is also why I really detest any fandom takes where Belos canonically is supposed to care about her, or Luz owes him anything. Manipulation is not sympathetic. Belos committed premeditated murder and then used the remains of his murder victim to try to make a "Better Version" of his murder victim which was actually just a way to punish him repeatedly and keep taking out revenge on kids who had nothing to do with the original conflict. Belos is Luz's abuser also, and Luz doesn't owe him any sort of kindness or consideration and her anger is valid.

Luz is an abuse victim of Belos's in addition to Hunter and the Collector (and Vee/Lilith by extension), and she should be considered as such rather than her trauma being invalidated in favor of other characters.

[gensou-rakuen]

JUST REALIZED THAT WE WOULDVE GOTTEN FULLY-FLESHED-OUT VEESHA IF TOH HADN'T BEEN CANCELLED SCREAMING CRYING RN

TtT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A WHOLE SEASON SO WE COULDVE SEEN IT DEVELOP INSTEAD OF 1 SCENE WHERE VEE BLUSHES

PUNCHING AIR ROLLING ON THE FLOOR VIOLATING THE GENEVA CONVENTION

[quismihiignem]

[rainstormfrost]

Vee is the most useless character in The Owl House.

Just think, her only role is to cover the plot hole about Camilla not looking for her missing daughter during season 1, but further..???

I still don't understand why Dana decided to let Vee stay in the human realm in TTT. It's really illogical decision, including the fact that Hexsquad need every person able to fight. I think it would be more logical if Vee came back in the demon realm instead of Camilla, because she can do more. She is a dang basilisk, she can shape shift, she can fight and get magic from others, it's a very powerful ability. But somewhy Luz decided to take a housewife in the demon realm where a random plant can kill you.

[lollytea]

Camilla?

How I feel about this character

She's one of my favourite characters!!! I think Willow, Matt and Camila are my top three. I remember rewatching Yesterday's Lie during the season 2 hiatus and being like "Yall....Camila is actually SO fucking epic, I can't wait to see more of her in season 3" and then she CONTINUED to be epic!!! The Camila enjoyers got fed so well!!! Also that dream sequence she has in TTT is like the only scene in the show I ever cried at. It makes me INSANE. It's amazing that a simple offhanded remark that Camila was bullied as a child adds so much context to EVERYTHING she does. I fucking ADORE her!!!

All the people I ship romantically with this character

I went through a Darius/Camila phase at one point. I'm not all that personally invested anymore but I can still objectively see the appeal. She's a single mom and widow. He's a big tall handsome muscley man with a mysterious past and a magical element. Like I can picture them as an Elaine Duillo romance novel cover. See the vision!! She deserves this!!!

But like. Truly. Madly. Deeply. I still think about Camila and Manny sometimes. Do you know that one deleted line from a storyboard. When Camila said "He was the first person who saw me for exactly who I was. Until that point, the world hadn't been so kind...."

I NEEDD TO BUY A GUN!!!! HE WAS THE LOVE OF HER LIFE!!!!!!!!

My non-romantic OTP for this character

Ooooooooooh my GOD the Luz and Camila scenes in season 3 make me SICK TO MY STOMACH!!!! SHE LOVES HER DAUGHTER SO MUCH!!!!!

My unpopular opinion about this character

Ummmm. Nope. I got nothing. Coming up blank 😶

One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon.

I really would have loved more mama and daughter moments with Camila and Vee

[averysherwood]

I'm still upset at how Camila was treated. Luz has no idea how lucky she was that Vee was there to take her place, otherwise she would have been coming home to her face on a missing person flyer.

And I couldn't stand how some parts of the fandom made her out to be this terrible parent to justify Luz staying on the Boiling Isles permanently. Like they mainly hated on her for sending Luz to camp but I always saw it that Camila didn't really have a choose because it was either "Hey, send your daughter to this place so she can learn some goddamn self-control or we'll be forced to expel her for her actions," which was really lenient on the school's part. And for pleading with Luz to stay with her when not only did she just found out that the person that was living under her roof wasn't her daughter, but that Luz chose to stay in the Demon Realm and thought that she was the one that drove her daughter away.

But no, all of that gets ignored in favor of showing Luz being dejected and Camila being the one to apologize to Luz for not understanding her.

Camila is one of those characters who was treated the worst in toh. Not to mention that before TTT the fandom very often talked about her as an abusive mother. But I've said it several times and I'll repeat it again: Luz was not a cute kitten with harmless hobbies that no one understood. She not only posed a direct threat to herself and others, she could not fully live in society, communicate with people. And for a mother, damn, the well-being of her child is important. I hate that she had to apologize for that. For the fact that she wanted to help her daughter integrate into society and save her from exclusion (I do not live in the USA, so correct me if anything, but as far as I know, exclusion is not an empty phrase there). And Vee... No matter how cute and potentially interesting she was, she shouldn't have been in the show. Luz needed to face the consequences of her spontaneous decision. Why did even Anne's unintentional disappearance do more harm to her parents (who had support all this time) than a conscious decision of Luz for her single mother?

[crimeronan]

I feel like Luz “Separation Anxiety” Noceda would be a bit dismayed upon learning that Vee and her friends are going to graduate and go to college at the end of the school year (presuming that Freshman Sophomore Junior Senior are Human Realm Exclusive Terms)

Like “oh my entire social life actually revolves around you and your friends because I’m too awkward and different to know how to approach people and am too nice and accommodating to any and everyone because of The Horrors to tell anybody to back off if they get too nosy so truly I cannot fathom how I’m going to function in a school setting without you but it’s Fine :) I’m really happy for you and not at all going to cry about this :)))”

Maybe she’ll join the school band to try and become socially independent and then just get really sad cause she misses Raine :(((

baby girl :(

i think she'd have a kind of tough time in a school environment to begin with, honestly. i made a post to that effect earlier but decided it was too depressing and deleted it.... but! since i ended up thinking a LOT about how her school experience would be handled. the gist was:

she'd have a really good 504 plan in place -- 504 plans are written plans that help students with disabilities stay in a normal classroom. it would have accommodations like her getting pre-written notes about what they'd discuss in class, a slightly separate desk to avoid being unexpectedly touched by other students, blanket permission to step out into the hallway if she gets nervous, extra time on tests, etc.

she'd purposefully be matched with the friendliest teachers and the easiest graders, people who are Very willing to talk with her about her needs. and also to say "i'm not upset with you." probably the really relaxed english teacher from TTT is one of them. this occasionally does remind her of raine and make her feel incredibly guilty/sad :(

and i think she'd have a one-on-one aide assigned to sit with her and show her what she's supposed to do in a classroom and help her navigate between classes. most likely this person is with her all day except for during lunch periods, when she takes her break....

this definitely marks luz Other by the student body (as having a paraprofessional does for every kid in a mainstream classroom) but she actually does not mind it! it feels like being guarded & she's grateful to have someone telling her what to do.

(in my head the aide's name is miss delilah and she's an OC who exists purely to be really kind and understanding. because please god give luz this.)

even with all of this, though....

classrooms are not Easy for luz. in the canon, she has CRIPPLINGLY hyperactive ADHD and can't focus on anything going on. she's weird and offputting and exuberant and causes ten million problems.

here, she has a LOT of baggage from belos. not just the physical trauma, but also everything she's internalized about How To Behave. she's learned a lot about how not to annoy him. and school is a public-facing event, which means she's in full Gracious Princess Mode. trying to make herself as small and unobtrusive as possible

so all of her concentration goes into Sitting Still and Being Quiet. she can't anxiously stim without disrupting the classroom, she can't chatter without annoying people, she can't chew through pencils or rip up paper without attracting Concern.

this is. incredibly stressful!! for her!!

stressful enough that she can't really retain anything the teacher says in classes. her homework is always done and her notes are always neat, but her quiz and test scores are Abysmal. because she either can't process the questions or can't remember the answers. because being in the classroom is Hard

which just adds another layer of stress. luz is like. PLEASE don't tell my mom. please please please please please don't tell my mom :(

vee doesn't really understand this -- she Loves the classroom. loves to sit at a desk and participate in discussion. loves to do worksheets. loves to get good grades and be a pleasure to have in class. Behaving Normally is a lot less stressful for vee than it is for luz.

which makes luz even clingier, when she can have lunch with vee or see her between classes. she's microdosing on being in the company of someone who feels Normal And Fine. and who has friends who clearly feel Normal And Fine. and who don't mind if luz is weird around them

luz being like oh!! you're going away. i see :) um. congratulations!! i'll be right back. i need to lock myself in the shower and cry so hard i throw up.