#unless Vivzie takes it away from me

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I may be wrong but with Velvette's main look (the one with the pigtails in Ep 3), it looks like her outfit takes aspects of Vox's and Val's looks.

Basically, the red and black stripes from Vox and the hearts and long coat look from Val.

I might be reaching, but just something that I noticed...

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Something that i find really funny about the Vivziepop fandom, is that they baby her and her actions, and get mad at people who doesnt.

I once saw this post on twitter from a fan bitching about how they had to take away their like in a post of redesigns of the Hazbin characters, because they discovered that the artist who did these "was a Vivzie anti". They went on a rant about how people shouldnt shit on Vivziepop's designs because "why do you have to bring down another artist's work? We artists should stick together and support each other!".

Okay, first, the "artists should support each other! 💖" doesnt apply to "artists" that are terrible fucking people, just like Vivzie. They dont deserve support, especially because they use said support and fame to hurts others, period.

Second, is it just me or Vivzie defenders live in a completely different world from us? Because by the way they treat and talk about Vivziepop and her "getting attacked" (aka, facing the the consequences of her actions) by others, they seem to think she is some 14yo who does nothing but post her OCs on Deviantart and need proctection from the "antis" because she will quit art if she gets more than 5 mean comments on her South Park fanfic.

But, newsflash for those people, she isnt.

She is a grown ass woman, who's making a shit ton of money from making not one, but two cartoons about her ugly OCs by abusing and overworking her workers and producers, and internet criticism couldnt affect her career at all anymore.

The only reason hy she would been affect in any way by stranger's criticism, is because she is a huge baby with a fragile ego who throws a big fit on Twitter dot com every time she sees that people have enough braincells to see that her shows arent the masterpiece she thinks it is.

She doesnt need your kind words, she doesnt need you to proctect her from internet meanies, and she doesnt need your "artists should stick together 🥺" bs.

All she needs and wants from you is your money.

Its so unfair how i see actuall small, indie artists who could have help from other artists gets treated absolutelly horriblly by everyone or just plain ignored, while Miss "two whole shows of her OCs" cant even have her designs be criticised because "mimimi artists should support each other 🥺🥺🥺" no, fuck off.

It's absolutely bizarre. They really do treat her like a 14-year-old kid posting their first ever Sonic recolor, and also like she's their best friend.

Viv wouldn't piss on half these people if they were on fire unless there was something in it for her.

[tfyoulookingatgiuxs]

I'm back again. Today we start with a bang, with surprises and with a thousand questions as if we weren't already asking ourselves enough. Vivienne has released the Teaser Trailer for the last (hopefully not) episodes of the second season. Looking at it I immediately started hopping all over my fucking house for the euphoria it gave me and the curiosity it left me with. I'm here to analyze this Trailer with you and to talk about the little theories that come to mind.

Let's start right away by saying from the beginning where the I.M.P group starts makes me already understand that these five episodes will be hard for all of us, a great adventure where we would truly be left speechless, then I believe in Vivzie's great work, so I don't believe that I will be disappointed (my opinion). In fact, we can already see that Blitz and Fizz go out together, perhaps to reconnect with him after the sixth and seventh episodes of the second season. This left me quite touched. I love Fizzarolli, he is my favorite character from Helluva Boss and seeing him again makes me very happy, and I can only imagine the laughter his presence will bring out of me.

But I noticed that these five episodes will ultimately focus on the Lust ring. From the outing with Fizzarolli and Blitz, there's also what looks like a battle between Moxxie and Millie with someone whose face we don't know, do you think it's Stricker again? I don't know, I don't see why he should go to the Lust ring to capture Stolas again, unless his plan is to change as we saw in the fourth episode "Western Energy". Or it could be a new Villain or one already seen in the series, I really can't give a reasonable answer.

But we can all agree that the agents from episode six "Truth Seekers" will be back! We already knew this note because of a post on X (Twitter) but I never expected that they would target the Cherubs from episode four "C.H.E.R.U.B." our little angels that we had abandoned and no longer knew anything about. There were those who theorized that they ended up in hell after they (mistakenly) killed a human being who they should have saved. But seeing them like this again I can only think that they just wandered the earth. So you mean to tell me that these little cherubs banished from paradise didn't end up in hell but remained wanderers on earth? It's a question that needs a clear answer. I really couldn't explain this. We only know that the two agents took them, but the question is: for what purpose? Someone might answer me: "To prove that angels exist like demons" Which is not a wrong answer, at all. But I believe there is more. Especially after we see that Blitz and the others are going to visit them.

If I have to tell you my opinion, it could also be that the agents kidnap the cherubs to prove their existence to humanity, but it wouldn't make sense. In short, how does this connect them to our little demons? I know that the I.M.P group are not the only major protagonists. An example was the episodes "OOPS" and "Mammon's Magnificent musical mid-season" where the main protagonists were Fizzarolli and Asmodeus, but which still made sure that these characters involved the main protagonists. So it makes me think: What if the cherubs and the agents made an alliance? An alliance to take revenge on the demons? I would not know. I could continue to theorize about these images, but I think we'll be here until late so better move on, then of course let me know what you think. (Anyway please tell me this picture doesn't remind you of Moxxie and Blitz when they were kidnapped)

Let's move to this image where a reference to GhostBusters will clearly be made. Blitz's disguise is as usual flashy and makes me laugh, but this episode (Which we know will be called: GhostFuckers) is the one that left me speechless most of all. In the confusing sense. In short, we see very little, except for a character who apparently will also be a new Villain, but even if they are connected I wonder where this episode will be set. We have now seen that all these five episodes will move to different rings of hell. I really hope to see the princes or princesses of these rings, and see if they will actually be Villains (I hope so). But I also hope to see the main characteristics of these rings, how will they get there? still with the big elevator? Or with another means of transport?

Now. We have our own villain. He has a human appearance, but we then discover that he is an infernal being, of a marine shape, so it makes me think that he comes from the Greed ring, only that we need to understand how he arrived in the human world. Our protagonists arrive there with Stolas's grimoire, but what about him? Is there another means of transport as we said before, but on earth? Different from the grimoire, and the crystals of Asmodeus?

Now we have him. Yes exactly. For those who have seen the Pilot of Hazbin Hotel you might recognize this bird, it is the same one that appears when Vaggie tells Angel about Alastor and then there is an image that frames all the Overloards, and there is also this character (What a continuation If I don't understand the name, I still listen to Helluva episodes in English, even though I'm of a completely different nationality. Sorry if I couldn't understand the name, if anyone knows please write to me 🙏🏼). He seems to know Stolas who instead has nothing to do with the Overlords as he is only the prince of a very powerful lineage. Maybe he changed roles? Maybe he is no longer an Overloard but a simple demon also from a noble and powerful family? But above all, what he want from Stolas?

Though noting very carefully, one can see what appears to be an apple and a snake beneath him. Characteristics of Lucifer. Maybe the characters of Helluva Boss will clash with those of Hazbin Hotel? And maybe Lucifer himself? Or maybe just in his castle for a strange reunion? Let's fantasize about it.

Then obviously I say reunion because afterwards I see this and it makes me think that it has to do with Andrephaleus' plan (it will definitely be spelled badly, sorry). Only if this demon is actually from another powerful family, I don't understand what he gets from the ice demon. Or maybe he has a score to settle with Stolas and Andrephaleus is helping him. I really don't know what to think...

However it seems to have a pretentious tone. He wants something at all costs. What will he want?😱

Now the crucial moment. This part. Perhaps the most painful? I can well imagine that we will find this in the episode "The Full Moon" the one we are anxiously awaiting, having to focus solely on Stolas and Blitz and their relationship which MAYBE is about to end. In this image I can well understand when Blitz says "Like you can just play with our feelings cause we're smaller and not as important" and my heart breaks. Making us remember on the one hand also when Fizz said identical words to Blitz in episode six of the second season "OOPS" but also wanting to hide that not everyone is like that, will Stolas be like that too? (The answer is obviously yes, but let's see how long it will take Blitz to figure it out). However, I think the first few episodes are focused on Blitz, his past and his character that harms people. An example is when he ends up (apparently) fighting with Millie and they have this conversation and Blitz ends up admitting it, even though I don't understand the reason for a fight.

I'm really worried about Blitz as he is a character who has a lot to tell, and perhaps the one with the most flaws who can't improve, but who is still trying. I don't want to justify it though, everyone has their own opinions on the characters and is free to have them. Personally, I love the character of Blitz, seeing myself a little in him, and anyone else who sees themselves in the little devil can understand what it means to hurt others even when you don't want to. So to see him grow or change is something I'm really looking forward to seeing.

Now I have to leave you like this because I can't post any more images but I will make a part two!! See you later!!

-Sorry for my english!!

[commenter2]

"Oops" review

Time to spend some time with Fizz.

Ozzie is pretty buff for a bird demon. 

While Fizz is getting dress, you can see a pic of a white version of those fly dogs that roam Hell. Now I want to see a pic of Fizz and his dog hanging out with Angel Dust and Fat Nuggets!

(insert Ozzie not being an early bird joke here)

Again from time to time the other 2 heads of Ozzie don’t emote the same feelings as Ozzie’s rooster head, making me wonder if they have some sentience of their own. It would be funny to see a scene where all 3 of them arguing with each other, maybe during a moment where Ozzie is feeling a lot of emotions at once. If that ever happens I’m going to call the sheep head Larry and the Bull head Greg. That means they are called L.O.G. XD

You know Ozzie’s place is pretty nice. I was expecting his place to be filled with NSFW stuff, maybe a wall full of people he thinks are hot which would have been a fun chance to have a pic of Lilith in the episode since I headcanon that Ozzie use to have crush on her.

Fizz destroying evidence about people thinking he and Ozzie are a couple. Nothing odd about that.

It’s cute seeing Ozzie care about Fizz’s safety. It also seems like Ozzie doesn’t like Mammon that much, or at least his ring which I don’t blame as a person/place like that would make anyone annoyed or scared.

“Says something only to do the opposite” trope.

For the Greed Ring, there is a lot of free money on the ground though I bet with how high the prices of things are there, those bills are equal to finding a penny on the ground.

Aww his white dog has walkin wheels, just like Fizz! Also the rollerblade scene a definitely a DCAU Harley Quinn reference. R.I.P. Arleen Sorkin

Ouch, that baby from the pilot is sure unlucky.

Pterodactyl demon! MORE dinosaur demons! Wait I recall there being an overlord that looks like a dinosaur in Hazbin Hotel that is Lucifers bodyguard, is she a Hell born demon like Rosie?!?!

Blitzo meets Fizz, HERE WE GO! Though I already knew this was going to happen given a leak, it’s still surprising to see Crimson and Striker in this episode. It also explains why this episode took so much time to come out, WHICH I DON’T MIND!

Cobra demon. I wonder if Lucifer or his snake friend that’s on his hat is a big fan of that species?

“Western Energy” takes place a week before this episode. Good to know, especially for later.

 “something of value” AKA Moxxie.

The mom of the stroller kid is in the crowd with a broken bottle. You think she is going to use that on Fizz? If so she is a good mom :)

So that…. factory seems to confirm my headcanon/theory about Ozzie being a technical genius. Also HOW is Vivzie still getting away with stuff like this on YouTube?????

Again it’s been a week since Western Energy and Stolas’ wounds have already fully healed, yet he was stabbed with an angelic blade. You think that would take longer to heal or lead to some permanent damage or else how is an angelic weapon truly different from a regular weapon. I think the writers should do a “MCU Iron Man” and from now on show that Stolas’ arm is not what it use to be, like he grabs it in pain from time to time or he can’t lift as much/cast spells as fast with that arm.

So the meeting is about Stolas going over his feelings for Blitz! What about trying to keep the relationship a secret? Oh forget it that goal seems to be dead anyway. Also were at the halfway point of the season and we finally get to the “I.M.P. getting Asmodean Crystal” plot point people having been pointing out since the season 2 premiere.

Love potions are real in this series? That can’t be good. I hope the writers just make fun of the idea, and not actually use that for an episode.

DON’T TELL A SIN AN IMP IS GOING TO EARTH ILLEGALLY STOLAS!!! Also why does someone like Ozzie NOT care something like that is being broken! It just makes the idea of Blitzo and the others getting caught less dramatic now since if an Sin doesn’t care, likely no one will unless I.M.P. screw up really bad or it affects someone personally.

I will admit that Ozzie is nicer than he seems. Not the first time we have seen that in demons but still.

Crimson has guts threatening a sin, I’ll give him that.

I wonder if what Crimson said about Ozzie being the weakest is accurate? Maybe Crimson only cause him that cause of how nice Ozzie is?

Ozzie getting mad like that makes my headcanon of him and Satan being close friends one step closer to coming true.

Should the Blitzo and Fizz scenes in the warehouse count as a “bottle episode”?

I’m curious about what Stolas said about a deal with a sin being an everlasting bond. Does this apply to Charlie too since she is the daughter of the devil? IS THAT WHY ALASTOR WAS TRYING TO MAKE A DEAL WITH HER IN THE PILOT!!!

IDK about you but Stolas enjoying reading contracts is just funny to me. It makes me think about one of my old ideas about how Stolas doesn’t seem to have a lot of royal responsibilities, as maybe he enjoys stuff like that so much he finishes pretty quickly and ends up having nothing to do.

Points for Blitzo in having a secret knife, as usually he isn’t that smart. Wait is this why he wears those boots? I recall a theory about him being part Imp and something else and how that explains how (slightly) different he is from other Imps, in this case has regular feet instead of hooves and I’m kind of hoping that’s still true.

Though mostly luck, I will give another smart point to Blitzo.

I do like that we got to instantly learn about the origins of what caused Fizz to lose his limbs and that Blitzo is the reason his mom is gone, but that should have been saved for a flashback episode (which I thought was going to happen here or the next episode) so it can be fleshed out more.

I’m going to guess that either Barbie Wire or Blitzo’s dad was the one who prevented Blitzo and Fizz from seeing each other after the accident, as a sort of revenge for causing the fire.

If this was a HISHE video, the mobsters would have just shot Fizz and move on with their lives.

It would have been funny if Fizz telling Blitzo to hurry up abruptly ended the song and leading to another fight.

An active torch and dynamites, oh no. Oh wait never mind.

Okay I’m willing to let Striker get away this time, only because this would be his 3rd time doing so and with the rule of 3s his last appearance will likely be his last. Let’s just hope it’s not with Crimson as along with how I think he won’t be hiring him again after this, its better to have Crimson be by himself in my Millie’s family episode idea.

OH I know that was going to happen. At least Blitzo redeemed himself, at least as much as a demon can.

The way Ozzie said Fizzy was adorable.

I like that scene of Stolas being happy about Fizz and Ozzie getting together, as it seems to express that if they can work together, he knows he and Blitzo can work together.

Okay though not pics, those statues are close to what I was getting at earlier. Thankfully Lilith wasn’t shown there, though for a second I thought she was as I personally think that lady succubus shares some physical traits with her. I mean look at it! It’s those Vaggie and Velvette Hellhounds all over again!

Was Ozzie surprised about the rain?

So I.M.P. will be getting a crystal to go on Earth now. It's a good backup way for them to keep working but I don't like how they are losing Stolas' book, as we never did see anyone try and utilize the other spells from it which I think could have led to some fun. Hopefully Blitzo and Stolas get together soon so Blitzo and co. can have access to the book again.

I sometimes wish that episodes had end credit scenes, as I could see a scene connected to tales about how Asmodeus was defeated by fish/smell of fish. In this case Fizz forgets to tell him he was around shark demons and before you know it Ozzie is having an allergic reaction.

This was one the best episodes in some time now. I loved how we got to finally learn about Fizz, (especially his past with Blitzo) but also Ozzie which gave us a lot of character and world building too. Even some unnecessary stuff like having Crimson and Striker having a role was great when I thought it wasn’t going to be.

One small thing I liked that I think we should focus on from this episode is the fact that deals with sins sound like they are ever binding, something I think is going to happen with Charlie in Hazbin Hotel. It’s very fitting for this idea I brought up involving her and Adam.

I’m also curious about what is going to happen with Crimson now. He likely still wants revenge on his son (or something else) but after failing to win against Ozzie, he is likely going to suffer some major drawbacks soon. Personally I think he is going to try and go out with a bang and I have just the episode where that can happen.

The weakest part about the episode was how the story quickly skimmed over the origins of Fizz’s accident and what caused him and Blitzo to drift apart. Again that was something they should have saved and went over more in a later episode, maybe the episode could have kept it a secret throughout the episode allowing fans to speculate what happened until it was eventually revealed.

The next episode is going to be another Fizz and Ozzie heavy episode, and though I can see us getting flashbacks to Blitzo and Fizz’s younger days where maybe we can learn more about what led to the accident and its aftermath along with what led to Fizz wanting to become a performer, I feel like most of the story is going to take place in the present.

With Mammon being the focus of Fizz’s upcoming show, I bet we will see Fizz and Ozzie having to deal with Mammon making fun of their relationship or put a lot of pressure on Fizz that he has a panic attack until Ozzie calms him down. We’ also likely see flashbacks about how they met and became a couple which leads them to just admitting they love each other to all of Hell during Fizz’s show.

This episode would be a nice chance to learn more about the sins, maybe learn about how they feel about one another, how they run Hell, and maybe see a new pic of Lucifer and Lilith before Hazbin Hotel starts airing?

There is also a chance this episode could have Blitzo and Stolas being in it and after seeing Fizz and Ozzie admit their feelings, the two decides to try dating and see where it leads? That or we see Loona Octavia appear at the performance and bond as friends.

What were your thoughts on the episode?

[g-on-ef]

Hey I was wondering if you're still a fan of Helluva Boss and what you thought of the latest episode?

@megashadowdragon asked: have you watched helluva boss episode 6 which came out today ( if you were unaware) what are your thoughts

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It warms my heart to know you guys ask for my opinion ^^ now let's get down to business

WARNING THIS REVIEW WILL BE A NEGATIVE ONE WIT A HINT OF POSITIVITY THESE ARE MY THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS ON THE EPISODE YOU DONT HAVE TO AGREE WIT THEM BUT DONT WASTE MY TIME WIT YOUR NEED TO ATTACK ME FOR HAVING THOUGHTS OF MY OWN YOU HAVE BEEN WARN

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To answer both questions yes I still watch Helluva Boss however after their latest episode I think I will just stick to writing fanfiction about Blitz and Striker as well as stick to whatever content the fandom creates.

This episode if Imma be honest with you guys was not worth the wait, hell I was literally tempted to leave the episode as it just didn’t have my attention as the others.

The episode had some decent moments where I was chuckling a little but other than that I wasn’t that into it, to be honest the bad out weigh the good. 

Also I wanna add that a while ago I wrote how Vivzipop and her crew did not know how to handle complex characters or complex scenes and I was right, this show and their crew do not know how to handle mature topics without reducing them into a joke but we are getting ahead of ourselves so let’s start with the pros, the cons, and everything in between.

Let’s start of with the pros,

Loona knowing when Blitz was being serious was a nice touch, it showed that even if Loona acts like she doesn’t care about Blitz she actually pays attention to him and knows when he is being serious and when he is joking around.

Moxxie was the true MVP his interaction with the agents had me smiling as well enjoying his moments.

Blitz protecting Moxxie

STRIKER !!!! I am a simp for this imp and I’ll take whatever crumbs I can get to see him ^^

Verosika, Fitzorallia, love them, love them 

And that’s it...to be honest that’s it...like other than that that’s basically all that I like from that episode...

Now let’s get into the rest of this episode...

Okay was anyone other than me confused as to why they decided now was a good time to introduce the agents so late in the game?

Like at this point I am convinced that Vivizie and her crew are just winging it.

The agents were literally thrown in the show and it felt outta the blue, like I said it feels like Vivizie and her crew don’t know what they are doing and are just throwing things together like they could’ve given us hints that the agents were watching them, or give us a hint that they were being spied on, it didn’t even have to be big it could have just been small.

An example would be from my favorite book series Cirque Du Freak, in the first book Mr. Crepsely (a main character in the book) mentions something small that will become huge in later books, it was small but allowed the reader to be curious it gave the reader that something big was coming and we should be prepared.

Like I said it was a small hint but I left me curious and wanting to read more to find out more about what is going on.

Helluva boss didn’t do that it just threw this new idea and new characters without giving the others to grow.

If they gave us a hint that they were being watched it wouldn’t have felt like that idea came outta nowhere.

Also was I the only one that was uncomfortable with the way Blitz kept making jokes about the agent’s dead mom? I’m sorry but that was just wrong on soooo many levels.

Also with the truth serum thing...why did they use it if they weren’t even gonna get answers like again this came outta nowhere because the truth serum was supposed to make them speak the truth not look like they were tripping on acid. On less I missed something please let me now if I did.

Also to be honest the whole confession thing was once again treated like a joke, especially when Blitz asked Moxxie why he let Millie peg him, ummm...an emotional scene like that shouldn’t have jokes of any kind surrounding it, especially when it was supposed to be a heartfull moment.

Now Blitz ... okay Blitz and his vision was a little decent but I also didn’t like it.  A lot of people had their speculation especially with the Stolas scene but the more I look at it the more I see it as a bittersweet moment.

Revealing that he was afraid of intamacy wasn’t that big of a surprised since we already knew that like it was nice for conformation.

Okay now onto the Sto*itz moment in the song ... like I said this was bittersweet moment,

People interpet the scene as how Blitz is afraid to love Stolas others saw it as Blitz was still chained to Stolas and would only be free if he and Stolas talk it out and another mentioned how he was forever chained to Stolas and how toxic the relationship between the two is.

Honestly I viewed it as how Blitz will be forever trapped in situations like this were he is to afraid to love someone or love himself and unless he comes to terms with his own demons he’ll forever be trapped in an endless cycle of pain and misery.

Now onto why I think that that Vivizie and her crew can’t handle mature themes.

Two characters have just had a revelation about their relationship with one another and instead of being honest with each other it gets turned into a joke...again...

Moxxie told Blitz what he felt and Blitz told him he treats him like shit cause its tough love...da freak ??? You just had a moment where you realized you pushed everyone away because you were afraid to be alone so you rather push everyone away so you have an excuse to let them leave and instead of admitting to that you just tell Moxxie it was all tough love.

Not to mentioned that you’re giving compliments and than tell him your done because your out of compliments...again you had a huge revelation and instead of giving the characters time to digest what they went through you just toss it to the side. 

Another thing that pissed me off was how right after a huge moment you throw in a fight scene...I...why...just why ???

You had an emotional scene (that had no build up) but than throw it to the side for a fight scene that shouldn’t have been added at all.

Like the minute Millie and Loona saved them they should’ve opened up a portal and take them away not waste time on fighting only for them to get caught in the end.

Like I literally feel like they wasted all that time on animation than on writing and planning what they wanted from this.

Like again they had an emotional connection/scene and threw it to the side for some fight scenes which was a disappointment because had Loona and Millie saved them  and take them home Blitz could’ve had some major character development and the four of them could have a heartfelt scene admitting everything that bothers them and help them get closer. 

Nope, they decided to just throw a fight scene why I don’t know but it bothers me how they just tossed an emotional scene for some action scenes.

So yeah I am not happy with how that was handle at all.

Let’s also get to the Loona and Millie scenes...Millie crying for Moxxie once again made no sense as we never seen Millie care for Moxxie, hell she cares more for Blitz than Moxxie which is fucked up.

Hell when Moxxie was being critizied by her parents she didn’t do much to defend him hell Sally Mae was more honest with him than Millie.

Honestly Millie feels like she is being written by twenty different people who don’t know what they want from her.

And Loona, Loona could seriously be written outta the episode and nothing would changed.

Also they truly refused to let their characters grow seriously Moxxie was still treated like shit by Blitz in the end so yeah no character growth at all.

And now onto the last scene with Stolas and Blitz ... holy shit man Imma be honest with you guys Stolas asking for sex after saving them feels fucked up, to me it felt like the only reasons he saved the imps is so that he doesn’t get in trouble and for Blitz to reward him for saving them.

Again they could’ve had Stolas saving them and they could have had a heart to heart moment nope we had to toss all that emotional build up (if one can call it that) and toss it to the side for cheap jokes and a horny owl.

needless to say I was beyond disappointed with this episode and with the way they handle the “saddest” scene in the episode I am scared to see how they will handle the other scenes.

AGAIN I honestly don’t see why this episode took so long and I feel like Vivzie and her crew are more focus on the animation than anything else which sucks because this show has so much potential and it is being thrown to the side for pretty designs and shipping moments. 

Anywhore that’s my thought on this show let me know what you guys think ^^

~GoNEF out ^^

[mythicaldemigoddess-of-deltarune]

Toxic-Fans Can Be Jerks That Give Other Fans A Bad Name...

you can't just force a update of either a web show or even a video game, it takes time and a lot of energy.

and it doesn't help to bully the creator of the said series into "hurrying up" when they are going through a lot.

even if it is different from what I went through, I know how it feels to reach a breaking point and it doesn't help that I had gotten over having the first depression type feeling (this happen a few years ago now), and I ended up having a second depression.

which I think the second one might of started around either 2015 or 2016 and I didn't get fully better until December 2017.

even if there are Toxic-Fans who are acting unreasonable, there are some Fans who knows it takes time for projects to get fully done,and sometimes there will be delays beyond control and a project will need to be placed on hiatus.

I just learned about something that I didn't know before until just now, after watching about Latest news that has to do with Episode 8 of Helluva Boss.

and I agree that Vivziepop does indeed deserve better, and I hope she is able to fully heal and stay safe, and she can take as long a she needs.

there was a type of Fan Art I did, that has to do with the whole what if Stolas had a younger sister (which would be Helluva Boss AU/Fanon Only type thing.)

but I think I will wait a while before I post it on here.

I don't think what I went through is the same as what Vivzie is going through right now, but I hope that she will be able to fully recover both mental health

as well as the heart, I know that yesterday I wasn't just feeling tired, I was kind of feeling a little down too, like one of those can't help but not feeling happy type days.

I think that those Toxic-Fans, should just shut up and stop being jerks, but for now I guess it's best to ignore them unless they act like they did before again. there are somethings that Fans should NOT cross the line in, and this is one of those times.

and besides the Toxic-Fans, it does seem like there is other stuff that are going on, I think I will try my best to pray for Vivzie to stay safe and heal,

and yes I am going to pray to both the Earthly Mother & Heavenly Father for this, and I know I'm not gonna let some jerk get away with misusing those "may the lord have mercy on you"  at me just because I’m including The Goddess Who Was Wronged a very super VERY long time ago during the warlike Indo-European times of 2000 to 3000 BCE (it talks about it in Stones Of The Goddess Crystals for Divine Feminine and it’s by Nicholas Pearson.), and yes it did hurt when it first happen that involved that Toxic-Religious person, and it kept hurting when my words of how it was hurting my feelings, wasn't getting through to the Toxic-Religious person who kept throwing those misused words at me, even after I pointed out that my feelings were being hurt and it was making me cry.....

I know that not every religious person is like that, but that person who hurt me was a insensitive jerk. I can have friends who are religious or even some who might be atheist, and so long as they respect my different new belief, it will be okay.

it's like to agreeing to respect that my new belief is well slightly different... anyway like I said, I'm going to do my best to pray that she heals and fully relax and taking it easy.

hopefully it wont be ignored, or not granted soon enough like the last prayer I made to have something be stopped right away.... it does give me another reason why I want to go live with Earthly Mother... what I was praying for, it had to do with some really bad stuff that was happening...and I wanted it to be put a stop to...

anyway, even if some fans can be a bit more careful when asking about a update, but you shouldn't cross the line when it comes to it.

hopefully things will work out and Vivzie will be able to fully heal after what happen, sometimes it takes time to heal....

and cats or dogs or any form of animal, can be great to help, I know I have my fluffy baby cat, who even makes the cutest baby like sounds. it did hurt when my first cat died, I think I was almost getting over being sick during the time when it happen. I had been throwing up and everything, it was before the Covid thing (and before I caught it, but only was sick from it for a few days, though I didn’t know I had it when I had gotten sick again....)

the video that I watched that talked about what's going on, did bring up a cat, so I hope that Vivzie's fluffy baby helps with the healing as well.

and yes even if there are Toxic-Fans, there are Haters who wouldn't know jack about anything, and well let's save that talk for sometime later... also if something is going on with A24, and I did want to try to trust them but if they even pull something....

and I can only hope things work out, A24 shouldn't own the rights to the Hazbin Hotel series,I mean if it is true and it isn't just rumors....but still, if this is one of the problems, then hopefully it will be fixed someday when it is possible.

even if they have some form of power for some networks, they have to understand that there are some shows they can NOT fully own. they can perhaps help with showing them, but the rights should go to the original creator if the series.

if things don't go well and if the rumors are true, then maybe SpindleHorse Toons can get the Full Rights back away from A24.

but for now, I guess we can only hope that A24 doesn't do anything that will be harmful, as annoying as it is to think some info I found might be true that has to do wit A24, which it can't be helped at the moment.....what's more important is that Vivzie is getting the much needed time to relax so she can heal.

I mean it is possible it isn't just the Toxic-Fans that are the problem, but hopefully everything will work out....and hopefully the Toxic-Fans will learn from this. like not to be selfish jerks for one,  because it takes time and a lot of energy to work on either a show or movie or video game, it just does...

I hope some of you can understand what I'm saying, and don't misunderstand it.....I don't like it when that happens, like when I try to say something, it gets misunderstood in the worst way.

to fans who have heard about what whats going on, but maybe just found out just now like myself, I mean the video that talks about it was posted on June 5, 2022. and I didn’t see it until June 6, 2022.

if the rumors about A24 are true, then hopefully there will be some form of justice that will have the Team of SpindleHorse Toons, get the full rights back.

but if it is all just a misunderstanding, then well hopefully it can be cleared up,

 but it better be a good one, and wont make any fans mad and be more protective. I mean I guess if there is some bad rumors that are true, than it would be best that someone else owned A24 and made sure creators of different shows or movies that they trust them with, will still have form of rights to their creations. 

also I’m not sure if it will work for everyone, but maybe Vivzie could try to get gems to help, I have my bracelets that are suppose to protect me....

and I also use them as sealing charms and limiters, it does seem that pray/programming them by using some good salt (like holding both the salt together with the bracelets in hands like in a wish, but would have to use water to get any salt that is stuck on it off, but maybe like mix of warm and cold water.)

the only time it didn’t work, was when I kept one of the bracelets off for too long, and I had to re-do it.

Amethyst and Black Tourmaline might help, though if it does, it doesn’t mean it will work fully right away, it could take a lot of time and even longer I think.

I know that one of the new reasons I have to have my bracelets on,

is because I don’t want to get telekinesis where I can end up moving things without even touching them, but so far it is only when I hold a item either it be a bottle of pop or a precious childhood item, that I hold with my fingers like I’m holding my pendulum, that it will start to move in the same way if I think either clockwise or circle or side to side....

so long as I keep the bracelets on, that wont happen, and it will only move pendulum when I hold it with my fingers.....and I should make sure to take a break from using it once in a while.

 I don’t know my idea will be of any help, I mean it is possible that some gems can help some, but I guess it depends.

 for the sake of Vivzie, please try to show support and understanding with what she’s going through right now, even if we all might not understand the full picture of it and only can get it from bits and pieces of info we hear about from that one video that talked about it, well it more of like had the words and didn’t have anyone really talking, but it still counts.

if what is going on with A24 is just rumors, then hopefully it will be cleared up.

even if the video I found that talked about what’s going on with Vivziepop,

did say that a new episode will be released I think around July...?

I forgot what day though, but if it has to go to another hiatus and might take a while, then we must be patient and understanding, and not be shisnos about it.

I think a Amethyst and Black Tourmaline bracelets might help a lot,

though we can’t just tell her to get them, because we believe it might help.

I know I do use my bracelets to protect myself too, and I do wear them to sleep now since I got them....but I still have to take them off at times.

I just think it be good way to help with the healing, I mean there is a chance it wont work for everyone, and it might mean that my suggestion is terrible.

I mean it is just one of the things that I can think of that can help,

well that and having adorable fluffy baby that can help sooth you when you are not feeling all that great, and if anyone did any physical harm to my fluffy baby, there will be heck, I still stand by my words from before that if any Toxic-Pagan (who gives other Pagans a bad name) even so much as touch my precious fluffy baby or try to use them for a certain ritual....

I will show no mercy to their hair, I will pull it so hard that they will know not to mess with this Defective Earth Angel who’s blood type is RH Negative.

I think I will wait until the day after tomorrow to check my blood type to see what type of RH Negative I am, if it does come out O RH D Negative for a third time, I will fully accept it.

I know I’m Defective, and I don’t “work correctly” and maybe that’s a good thing.

and well maybe I can explain why about it another time...

but I think it is good to have gems that can help with different energies, and well it could work for some but it might not work for everyone.

and it’s okay if Vivziepop doesn’t like the suggestion, but I’m still going to hope that she gets lots of her time and gets lots of Rest and Relaxing and her fluffy baby is making her feel better each day.

also just in case, I’m placing the “don’t reblog this without permission.”

there can be some jerks out there, who will well not be so nice...

even if there are some you can trust with reblogging a post, but sometimes it’s best to be careful.

also I’m not gonna put the tag that says “Read More” for this.

I will only do that when I feel like it, so please respect my wishes when I don’t want to put it as one one the tags.

also I think I should try to look up to see if having some days where you go through a numb-flux is normal...?

it seems that ever since I had my two depressions, when I have days where I don’t feel as 100% great, there is like this “feeling” and it’s like a numbness.

maybe it is nothing and I was just having a off day, maybe it is all in my head and there is nothing wrong with whatever I was feeling on the inside.

but I still am curious and would like to try to look it up.

I know during the first stages of when I was getting that second depression,

I wanted to punch the bathroom mirror but common sense kept me from doing it, because well for obvious reasons...

everyone can have different levels of a emotional and mental hurt,

and it does take time to heal, and depending on how bad it is, it can take a way longer....and well I hope other fans will be supportive and not act like Toxic-Fans and not make anything worse, and just try to be the positive support.

I think what I need right now, is to check out some fan art on here....

maybe to help with calm myself as well, and I think what I will do first, will watch Steven Universe Future, I will start with the Steven Universe Movie then I will watch Steven Universe Future.

I will keep myself signed in on here, while I watch Steven Universe.

also I hope no one misunderstands anything I said in this post,

I mean some misunderstandings can be okay if they are small and can be worked out but sometimes they can be misinterpreted in the worse way and it can cause some pretty bad hurt feelings.

like if you make a comment on a fan art, but what you say gets misinterpreted by the one who drew the fan art in the first place.....

it’s like that, and well hopefully some can understand about my thoughts and feelings that if some rumors turn out to be true that has to do with A24, then it will be fixed and things will work out hopefully.

I’m not 100% sure if whats going on is partly have to do with them,

but it does seem that Toxic-Fans can be a bit mean, when it comes to trying to hurry what cannot be rushed....I mean the video I found did make it seem that some fans are what is the problem, but there can still be more to it.

but it’s best to just not worry about what is the cause right now (but we can still keep a eye out), what is important is that Vivzie heals and gets plenty of TLC and R&R.

I’m not sure if Vivienne/Vivziepop will read this, and if she does I hope it isn’t misinterpreted and well I hope everything works out and she stays safe while doing some much needed healing while taking a break.             

[alastanor]

So maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part...

But when you see how this boy smiles, how huge that smile is.

ALL. THE. TIME.

It is kind of weird to see his smile change for a little bit when we get to this scene.

He is asking Charlie what she thinks, and she is genuinely overjoyed by everything he has done to make her hotel more welcoming and warm for demons interested in staying.

Her joy and happiness are so apparent, she approaches him with a huge smile of her own. And for a split second, that huge smile of his seems to soften. Just slightly, but if you pause it's there. Maybe this is just coincidence, but unlike some of the weird ass animation frames we get when we pause at awkward moments, his softened smile is longer than just a single frame.

Which leads me to think maybe, just MAYBE this is a quick break in the mask Alastor puts up. Because perhaps he is genuinely touched by how happy and appreciative Charlie is for his hard work. Which, if my theory on Alastor is correct, such appreciation is something he never received in hell for all he had done over the past century or so.

I'm not saying this because I ship Charlastor, either. I thought these two would do really well together even just platonically long before I jumped on the Charlastor ship.

The reason why is this:

Charlie and Vaggie are in a relationship, according to sources which include Vivzie herself.

However, without actually finding out through outside channels, I would have just figured the two to be rather close friends. There isn't anything that could really be considered romantic interaction between the two at any point in the pilot.

There are factors that could be involved as to why this may be, but it just seemed odd not to establish their relationship as more romantic in the pilot if they are romantically involved. Especially when the pilot is meant to establish these sorts of things prior to the actual show.

At multiple points in the pilot, their relationship seems to be somewhat off-balance. Charlie seems to rely on Vaggie more than what could be considered normal. Not to say depending on others is wrong, but the give and take between these two in those regards isn't normal for a balanced and healthy romantic relationship.

Vaggie is loving and supportive when we first meet her, but she also indulges Charlie in her dependency to her. Again, this isn't to say that depending on the ones you care about is wrong, but you also need a sense of independence and self-identity. These are two things Charlie seems to struggle with in the pilot.

Vaggie, like anyone who cares about someone else, wants to protect Charlie and see her succeed. We see several instances of her doing as such.

She even goes so far as to pull a spear on Alastor, who she knows is far more powerful than she is but does so because she wants to protect Charlie and the hotel. This is admirable, but the biggest issue with Vaggie's desire to protect Charlie is it keeps her sheltered.

She also endorses Charlie's cold turkey method of "discouraging sin" which we know would not work.

Charlie demonstrates some naivety in the pilot on how Hell (and by extension, the world) works, something that Vaggie does point out briefly but never fully drives home. Charlie feels the need to sing about her goals and dreams "because that is how she best expresses herself," even though life is not a musical. In her song, though Charlie's goals are noble, her ideas on how to reach them are short sighted and inconsiderate. More self-serving to her personal goal than to actually achieving lasting change within a sinner.

We see her throwing away vices each sinner possesses, seeking quick solutions to problems that cannot be solved with them.

This, of course, earns her no favors with her audience for which she is trying to sell her idea. So naturally they laugh and scorn her.

As princess of hell, it would not surprise me if she was sheltered by Lillith and Lucifer. Given her personality upon meeting her, that seems rather likely.

Charlie cannot learn any other way or experience the world as she should in order to grow as a person and into the princess Hell needs if she is constantly protected and sheltered by those who care about her most. Leaving the nest to pursue her goals was a good first step, but unless she can get out and experience the world instead of being sheltered from it, she won't be able to learn or grow.

This is where Alastor comes into play.

Alastor, from the beginning, has kept Charlie and Vaggie separated. Or at least not together for any extended period of time.

After all, Alastor can get away with more when someone is wearing Rose-Colored Glasses than when someone is constantly shooting glares his way.

This is something that both works for and against Charlie. For her in the sense that spending time away from Vaggie and around Alastor would allow her to experience Hell in a more direct way. In the way that Alastor sees it, which would allow for a big paradigm shift and for character growth from Charlie.

But against her in the sense that it leaves Charlie vulnerable to getting hurt. Granted, when you get hurt that is an experience you also learn from. But how Charlie would get hurt is something else entirely.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, Alastor spending more time with Charlie who looks for the good in everything around her, would likely also inspire a change in him and his world view. Even if miniscule.

In this sense, the two are good for one another. They would learn and grow from each other. Which is the goal in fictional stories like this.

This isn't to say Vaggie is a problem character, or that she is wrong to want to protect Charlie. On the contrary, I personally find Vaggie to be a very relatable character. But she, like every member of the Hazbin cast(and every denizen of hell, let's be honest), has some growing to do. And she can't really do that herself if she is focusing all of her energy and attention on protecting Charlie from anyone and everyone she considers a problem or a threat.

But regardless where the shipping chips fall, it will be interesting to see how all the relationships grow and change as the characters themselves do so.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

[moved99999999999]

U guys wanna know what I think about that hell hotel show

I feel like twitter’s very tired of seeing ppl talk about Hazbin Hotel, so I putting my opinions on tumblr where they belong. I’m not a “professional critic” by any means, but I’ll try my best given what I know. And don’t worry, I’ll be incredibly nit-picky to suit the internet’s needs.

I’m gonna mainly focus on HH itself instead of Vivzie’s accusations because that's a WHOLE other can of worms to open.

During the time of me writing this, I haven’t watched any YT reviews, but I’ve read a few threads criticising the show, so take that as my social influence bias.

My ted talk is allllll below the cut. Enjoy~

Context: 

My first exposure of Vivzie’s work was her “Die Young” animation that I came across around 2016. Instantly I fell in love with how “smooth” and lively her animation was, and especially the fact that it was hand drawn. Animation like that was extremely rare to come by (and still is) and seeing her execute it so well with such complexed characters was amazing to my fetus self. 

A few years later and I see the first trailer for HH. I instantly went OH I RECOGNISE THAT STYLE AND THOSE CHARACTER TYPE DESIGNS and was looking forward to what it had to offer. 

On “opening day” I watched the pilot ASAP to avoid my opinions from getting warped by all of the key-mash memes and post call-out bitching (literally the extremes of the HH opinion spectrum), and overall.....

I thought it was good. 

Not ground breakingly amazing, not horrifically terrible, but charmingly good.

(Ok now it’s actual review time)

Animation Quality:

As a hand drawn animation that has the freedom to get creative with its shots, a lot of effort was clearly put into how everything moves (it definitely didn’t take any lazy flash puppet shortcuts for the main sections of the show) and I can appreciate that. However it tends to be... rather inconsistent, most likely due to the varying skill level of the animators on the project. It’ll be nice and smooth one minute, and then awkward and choppy the next which can make the viewing pretty confusing at times. I’ll be honest I found myself overlooking these inconsistencies due to the characters and backgrounds themselves being very visually engaging, especially considering how over designed some of them can be (which I applaud the team for handling cuz wow that must have been painful). However, the needle thin and exaggerated art style makes some things incredibly hard to look at. While it helps with adding fancy details, it hurts in catching peoples eyes in the right place.

It’s also chalk full of little details, visual gags, and references that are hilarious to look at if you have the luxury of pausing every two seconds (the news segment and Sir Pentious turf war w/ Angel and Cherri are good places to look). But I feel like these lil details were put in at the cost of some some continuity errors (Charlie not wearing her coat in one shot, and having it back on in the next, papers being blank, etc.) and lip-syncing issues which really shouldn’t be happening considering all of the detail they were able to put in. There are also some shots that have just SO MUCH detail put into them, only to be shown for less than a second. I get that’s the cost of animation sometimes, but save the detail for the shots that need it, because at that point you’re just causing the animators to waste their efforts.

However, I was surprised at how professional the soundtrack and editing was. Not one but THREE songs in this single episode was really surprising, and the variation and quality of each was great (as cringy as Charlie’s song is)

But overall, the production quality is surprisingly good for a project like this, the editing, sound effects, and sound track act like a cherry on top. Of course there are some noticeable drops in quality, but given time and a budget, it has enough chops to look like an actual show.

Writing: 

As far as overarching plot goes, it seems like it’s going to be one of those procedural shows that tries to be serialised, but it’s a creative twist on hell and has an interesting premise to begin with. You can get really creative with seeing how you’d dive into getting redemption out of all of these seemingly lost causes, and I’m sure there are many people willing to know the backstories our main cast. As a pilot, it did it’s job of launching the plot very well, setting up the premise of the hotel and introducing characters in a very engaging way. I was legit really interested in each segment with who in introduced, and it didn’t feel like I was being overloaded with names to remember (which can be a problem for many medias and introductions). The cohesion between each scene is VERY smooth, and I genuinely enjoyed some of the cliché cuts/gags. 

Unfortunately I can’t extend this interest to our main character. Charlie is one of the most generic tropes we’ve ever seen. She’s a boring Disney princess who has a “cute happy positive goal to change her world” and the only thing that would make her more generic is if she wore a dress and cried “I’m tired of being so privileged”. 

(Although it’s impossible to tell, I honestly think Viv is just projecting through her, especially considering how horrifically accurate the hotel’s opening mirrors the internet’s reaction to the pilot itself)

I would be more forgiving if she was a supporting character or someone less important, but she’s the freaking protagonist, arguably the character that has to be the most interesting. Angel’s personality seems to be “flirty porn star”, and while that’s just as bad as being a boring Disney princess, at least he gets a few jokes and has a profession more interesting than Charlie’s. Around the end of the pilot he just seems like he’s getting involved because Viv likes giving him attention. If he’s supposed to be leeching off of the hotel, wouldn’t not care if it survives or not?

(There’s that whole stereotype issue that everyone keeps bringing up, but I genuinely think that’s BS because people are blatantly ignoring the fact that Angel is a porn star, Vaggie is portrayed as helpful, and that the show takes place in H E double hokey sticks.)

The transitions may be smooth, but the dialogue pacing can get really awkward at times. This paired with the animation sometimes having awkward quality drops makes some movements incredibly jagged, and has some detailed shots show for incredibly unbalanced screen time as mentioned before. 

I don’t have enough to give voice acting it’s own section so I’m just popping it down here:

The voice acting is legitimately better than several big name projects I know. It’s consistent, great at expressing the character’s mood properly, and each voice fits each character perfectly. My only gripes are that Alastor and Sir Pentious tend to grain on you after awhile due to them keeping a single tone for too long. 

Character Design: AKA the only thing I have legitimate experience with.

First thing’s first. The characters are WAY too over designed. There are so many markings and accessories that are incredibly unnecessary. I think the mindset for these characters was “the more complicated and attractive the better”, which makes them look like they’re designed by an edgy tumblr artist (heck I fall for this too some times).

Especially if a character is going to be animated, you have to keep in mind the value of simplicity. You absolutely don’t have to fill in your character with markings and trinkets to make them look unique, I mean just look at the gen 1 pokemon starters. Thanks to the limitations of the game, the sprites were forced to be simple, and it was that simplicity that made them such unique and varied creatures. You can tell Blastoise is a bulky water blasting turtle just with a quick glance. 

Many of the characters suffer from over complication, but I’ll look at Husk for example. He has these stripes all over him that do not contribute to who he’s supposed to be at all, and only look like they’re added to make him more unique. The markings that DO help are the little card suite marks on his wings, because those at least infer he’s linked to a casino/gambling type of theme. I would say his outfit helps as well, but formal wear and bowties are worn way to often by the main characters, which brings me to another problem.

They may look different, but they feel way too similar. From the same skinny body type, to generic head shapes, to outfits, the focus characters just don’t stand out amongst each other. Even the ones with interesting features still suffer from feeling generic. I’d say Sir Pentious is a good example of this. He has a serpentine/naga body and clever hair style that make his concept really creative, but his skinny body type, complicated eyes all over his tail, and generic “young but supposed to be at least middle aged” face just push him back into obscurity. He’s even wearing the SAME outfit as Alastor (who's an even worse offender of that generic face problem), and unless Viv has some plan to link the two, I’d say the characters need to stop using a dress code.

A successful character design can to tell you who the character is just by looking at them. You should be able to tell if a character’s personality, function, age, the universe they belong in, and if they’re important or not, and that’s a big problem when it comes to the background characters. If you pause on one of the extras for a minute you can see all of the effort put into designing them, and that takes away so much attention from the main cast. Not only that, but they have actual variations in their body types and outfits, which makes them more intriguing than who we’re supposed to be interested in.

Regardless, this pilot has potential, and if they can get someone to comb out the flaws, you can end up with something good. No one can deny a legitimate animation was made here, and the team successfully executed the start of a story, and that’s something anyone can look up to.

TLDR: The pilot is good. It has some major flaws, but it has potential to be a good show.

If you actually read this far epstein didn’t kill himself.

[idkwhoiamanymorebutwtf]

1.) You cannot accuse a character who isn't trans of being a negative trans stereotype. "Trans women are portrayed like this so this means that this character literally never associated with being trans (unless you count crossdressing, which obviously doesn't count?) Is somehow transphobic" like what the fuck kind of logic is that?

2.) The characters aren't meant to be shining becons of morality. Imagine if Angel dust was a nice clean polite sweetheart who never did a thing wrong. Then why would he e v e r be in hell? The only reason is the fact that he's gender non conforming and gay?? Which is literally so much worse than having him be a bad person. And EVERYONE here is awful. The straights are awful. It's hell, op?!? Of course he's got some rough edges. 😒

3.) The fact that you didn't even bother watching the pilot and went off strictly promotional stuff and word of mouth really just takes away from your rights to talk about the subject tbh.

4.) Vaggie isn't "Super Angry At Small Things"??? Like isn't the stereotype supposed to be that the people DON'T have any good reason to be angry? Cause every time Vaggie is pissed it's for good reason. Like someone calling her girlfriend a stupid bitch, Angel crushing her girlfreind's biggest chance to achieve their long worked on dream, or a serial killer walking into their lobby. Like maybe I'm just an emotional person, but all three of those situations would piss me off too? Plus Vivziepop OBVIOUSLY doesn't have anything against latina people if you think about it for five seconds seeing as Vivzie herself IS very latina. Just saying.

hot take but u cant really say "separate the art from the artist" in the case of hazbin hotel. one of the characters is straight up a transmisogynistic stereotype. like what part of "drug-addicted prostitute porn star transv*stite who wears a miniskirt and is super raunchy and has a golden tooth and exaggerated chest" sounds, like, positive gay rep