#underworld lore

[the-monkey-ruler]

I am not familiar with the rules so I am curious (I love reading all your explanations so much), what are the rules in the underworld? Can everyone just go there? or is Sun Wukong an exception? Like, is death permanent for the demons/gods/mortals alike? Or is there some process they have to go through to be rebirth? Because I am wondering if (this is like speculation/headcanon) there was ever a chance for Erlang's older brother to be reborn/rebirth, or if Erlang had ever thought of going down the underworld to find him? I am so interested in the Yang Siblings, because despite not being there, I love that Yang Jiao haunts both of his siblings, like being known as Second Son and Third Sister feels like a reminder that they had an older brother, haha.

I am not familiar with the rules so I am curious (I love reading all your explanations so much), what are the rules in the underworld?

Actually funny enough someone gave a GREAT explanation of the death/rebirth process and what that would look like to an average person! @ryin-silverfish made a wonderful comprehensible and walk-through guide of what dying and going through rebirth are like for normal human beings and what they are most likely to see.

Can everyone just go there?

It sounds like you are more asking if people that are alive and are planning to stay alive can go to the underworld?

Normally for most humans, this isn't the case as the only way for a mortal to go to the underworld is to die. As for Immortals or gods then they would have the Walking Cloud (at the very least) and should be able to physically go to the underworld however I don't see most deities doing so without at least some cause or permission. The underworld is run like a business/branch of government/etc. so if a deity goes there and just gets in the way then that could still be rude. In short, I can see deities CAN go but if they don't have a reason then it would be better if they stay out of the way.

or is Sun Wukong an exception?

Sun Wukong is always the exception. He is different from most and if not all deities as he is shown to move and travel anywhere without fear of repercussions. Wukong goes to the underworld because he KNOWS he can and knows that no one can stop him even if he holds other deities' duties to do so. Wukong has no qualms about having others be inconvenienced for his sake and shows this well when he goes to the underworld multiple times in the journey to recruit people's help. It isn't... proper to say the least but Wukong never let social etiquette stop him from completing his goals. I doubt any other deities would have the gall but Wukong has the power to back up his boldness so no one really stops him.

Like, is death permanent for the demons/gods/mortals alike?

"Permanent" isn't really... permanent so to speak. If we are talking about general yao/deities/mortals then all things have a soul and eventually, these souls are all trapped in the wheel of reincarnation. The only beings that are outside of this trap are the Buddha (hence Wukong reaching his goal for true immorality/freedom at the end). There are different details depending on which dynasty lore you might be looking at but all beings are still bound by reincarnation and can still die.

Mortals normally die as such with old age or being killed and thus they go back to the underworld, get evaluated, and go through the incarnation process after their memory is wiped.

Yao are just spirits that skip their human cycle and try to cheat in their animal/object life. If you don't know how yao work read this and understand that Yao are just animals/objects that cultivate to get a humanoid form. Once they die/killed their souls go back into the cycle and either pay for the karma by one of the judges, or they are reincarnated back into their animal/object form to properly life out their lives until they get enough karma to be a human. Or maybe they were a good enough Yao and can be a human in their next life.

Deities while immortal can still be killed. I've seen in Journey to the South how some deities can even use reincarnation to avoid being arrested by heaven by being reborn as someone else and still retaining their past life's memories. This is illegal as you SHOULD have your memory wiped before you are reborn but it can happen if a person goes through other means. But in most cases, if a deity is 'killed' then they would most likely go to the underworld, live out their good karma in a paradise and then be reborn in a very good life. Usually, when I see deities being sent into the reincarnation cycle it is usually a punishment and they will eventually come back to heaven once they have earned their cultivation all over again. We see this with Tang Sanang who was the Golden Cicada who had to live through 10 lifetimes of pure lives to get back to where his cultivation needed to be. And we see this with Zhu Bajie who was reborn as a pig but turned into a yao as he kept his past life's cultivation.

Or is there some process they have to go through to be rebirth?

The process should be the same for everyone going through the judgment halls. But there are certainly a lot of cases of people coming back from the dead (like in FYSS) or mortals being deified after death when they are worshipped.

But normally mortals/yao/deities have their karma weighted and depending on their good/bad deeds they either be reborn into a life that is easy or one that is filled with struggles. If they are really bad then they are usually born as an animal/object as punishment until their next life to be a human to work for a better life. Hence why Yao tend to cheat and skip to the humanoid form so they don't have to live out their lives as animals/objects.

Because I am wondering if (this is like speculation/headcanon) there was ever a chance for Erlang's older brother to be reborn/rebirth, or if Erlang had ever thought of going down the underworld to find him?

Yang Jaio would have been reborn certainly as that is the process all mortals go through.

However, by the time Erlang got his own cultivation/enough power to fight the Jade Emporer, I personally think that Yang Jaio would have been reincarnated and forget all his past life. Erlang could certainly go to the underworld and perhaps ask about his brother's next life but at that point this wouldn't be the brother he would know and would be someone with his soul but not his memories.

He could still go and look but depending on if Erlang would want the weight of knowledge knowing who his brother would be and living out hundreds of mortals' lives might be exhausting.

I am so interested in the Yang Siblings, because despite not being there, I love that Yang Jiao haunts both of his siblings, like being known as Second Son and Third Sister feels like a reminder that they had an older brother, haha.

This is a personal headcanon of my own because I love the Yang siblings but I always liked to think that Yang Jiao got reborn as the Howling Sky Dog so that he was always by his brother's side even after death.

[satoshy12]

Okay, that idea sounds even better.

Green pomegranates (yes, they exist) that Danny always tries to feed Klarion. But Klarion knows what will happen if he eats them fully. so he made it a game he will eat  it for every time Danny did something truly chaotic for him. Not just one tiny prank, but something that would change the whole game.

As Danny swapped the Light members and the Justice League members, the villains were in the Hero Base and the Heroes in the Villain Base.

Then Klarion took a big bite out of it, right before Danny's eyes.

And as an apology, Danny invited both Heroes and Villains to the Wedding in a neutral place.

Ghost King wants a Mate

Danny tried to find ways to not get crowned as the Ghost King. Sam told him about summoning a creature for a deal or something similar; maybe they would know something.

The trio somehow summoned Klarion, and as he asked them what they wanted, Klarion doesn't allow himself to be summoned often, but the meeting in the Light was super boring.

Sam and Tucker wait for Danny to talk about his Ghost King problem and see if he can make sure he doesn't get crowned.

But all those plans changed when Danny saw Klarion. "How to make you my Queen!"

Klarion was more amused than he should be; he let himself be summoned, and this was the question he got?

He laughed and told him to be strong enough to capture him fully, and then he broke the summoing circle and was gone.

Sam and Tucker glared at Danny.

Danny had a plan: he would try to make Klarion his mate.

Danny left for the Ghost Zone to become the new King the next day, and Clockwork just shook his head.

After a few weeks, as Klarion was fighting the young Justice kids, Danny came out of nowhere as the Ghost King. And then pulled a Hades on Klarion as he kidnapped him. Klarion laughed as he noticed that the light and the JL looked shocked, but let it happen; this will bring Chaos.

On the other side, he saw King Hades and Queen Persephone.

Danny:" Your plan actually worked, Lord Hades."

Hades smiled: See, I told you it works. You've got a good companion. Young King."

Persephone looked at both and said, "While you two talk, I will talk with Klarion about the future duties he would do if you married."

JL and the Light broke into the castle and saw King Danny with his married mate, Klarion.

Klarion had joy on his face as he saw their shocked faces, and Teekl loves it here too.

[gigizetz]

Everyone’s Tiresias designs now be like:

twinkfication: ACTIVATE

already brainstorming ab this

[sunshines-child]

some Chthonic designs

[amazeingartist]

this was meant to be another doodle, man I got carried away lmao. anyway I rewatched underworld today and obviously made me think of death dealer ghost & human turn lycan soap

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[flippityflaps]

I had seen a joke about Orpheus and Eurydice, but looking back, I don't laugh so much anymore

[shmothman]

Internet Safety

(Casper x reader, 500 words, post-ending 3, T for language)

“Casper. I need you to listen to me very carefully right now.”

You turn your phone around to face him, and he looks at you confused before reading aloud: “‘Immediate action required for your bank account.’” His brows knit as he looks up at you. “That sounds serious, are you in some kind of trouble?”

“No, no. Look at who it’s sent from.”

He reads the (incredibly phony-sounding) email address back to you, and then looks at you again, still confused.

You point at it. “This is what a scam text looks like.”

Casper narrows his eyes. He looks back at the text, then looks back at you. “But… it says your immediate action is required. Isn’t your bank account very important?”

You sigh. “It’s a lie, babe. They want me to click that link and put in my bank password. They’ll take that password to hack into my actual bank account, and then they’ll steal all my money.”

He still seems unconvinced. “But… what if you’re wrong?”

“You really are a scammer’s wet dream, you know that?”

He bristles slightly. “I do not want to risk not taking immediate action on my bank account.”

That gives you pause. “Wait, do they have banks in the underworld?”

“Yes? How do you think we deal with money?”

“Even in the underworld you have to deal with capitalism?” Honestly, you thought that his society was better than yours at that kind of thing. Though, maybe the whole ‘he was created for one purpose and that purpose is his job’ thing should’ve tipped you off. The billionaires of the mortal realm would love that shit. “Fuck, next you’re gonna tell me there’s capitalism in the afterlife, too.”

He shrugs. “I do not know. It is possible.”

“Please don’t say that to me. Anyway. If you’re gonna live in the mortal world for now, you’re gonna need to be able to tell what a scam looks like.”

“As far as I can tell, I cannot have a bank account here without an ID. Which, as I am not a citizen of this world, I do not have.”

“Yeah, yeah, I know I’m your sugar daddy from here on out. But there’s still plenty of stuff I want to help you not fall for. Like the fucking virus you gave my computer last week.”

He frowns. “It said I had won a prize.”

“Also, what if we have to forge some documents for you and get you an ID and bank account?”

There’s a hint of a smile on his face. “Are you looking to break as many of your world’s rules as I have mine? It will be much harder for us if we both have to go on the run.”

You pinch the bridge of your nose and heave an exaggerated sigh. “Point taken. Just. Please. If you get any texts, emails, or popups like this… come to me before you click anything, okay? The geek squad guys think I’m an idiot.”

“It is not—“

“So I told them that my idiot boyfriend is the one who clicked the link.”

He pouts, and it’s very, very cute. “Very well.”

[genericpuff]

Can you explain/analyze the graffiti on the side of the warehouse that is critical/degrading to hades? Also I just love how one of them is just “lmao”

So that was actually @banshriek ! They always go above and beyond to add cool little details like that into their backgrounds, it's amazing <3 <3

When it comes to the actual interpretation of the graffiti, well... let's just say that the Underworld is the only godly realm that was built on capitalism and Hades is the King of that realm. The rest explains itself 💅

[tinzarone]

Long live King and Queen of the Underworld

[emmieaster]

goddess

[hades-bat]

I hope you see me as an Hades stan in a gothic-horror lover-obsessed with death-way and not in a lore olympus way

[emmastraub3]

This was a beautiful ending to a beautiful webtoon.🩷💙.

[lordroma]

So, I tried to finish the Loretober 2024 but I barely could started it, but still I'm going to upload the drawings that I finished

[yaeggravate]

there was this old theory that kaeya's coin was a reference to charon's obol; a coin used by the dead as payment for crossing over to the underworld.

Charon's obol is an allusive term for the coin placed in or on the mouth of a dead person before burial. Greek and Latin literary sources specify the coin as an obol, and explain it as a payment or bribe for Charon, the ferryman who conveyed souls across the river that divided the world of the living from the world of the dead.

this theory initially went nowhere until captain jesus appeared rocking caduceus symbols (on his old outfit) and ferryman powers. the caduceus is mostly known for being the staff wielded by the greek god hermes, guide of the dead and herald of the gods. (funnily enough, hermes is also a divine trickster, god of thieves, eloquence, commerce, swiftness and wit; traits you would associate with kaeya rather than capitano but whatever)

it's inevitable that some khaenri'ahns would function as psychopomps since it's become increasingly likely they are descended from/deeply connected to angels. (with arlecchino as the most glaring example; she even wields a scythe!)

so here's a fun thought: what if the coin is more than just a symbol (and a weird sentient token)? what if it's a surprise tool that will help kaeya gain acess into the "underworld"? if the coin allows him to travel between realms without any drawbacks, perhaps we could see this happen in a future arc 😌

[ch3rryb00m98]

I love the spooky season! 🎃👻

Here’s some more Underworld stuff

[pandoraroid]

samuel collins n his granny adeline as odysseus n his mother anticlea's part in the underworld

adeline: waiting. samuel, when you come home i'll be waiting. even if you're the last thing i see i'll be waiting.

sam: i'm right here, gran/ma. cant you see? i'm waiting... i took too long

adeline: i'll always love you

sam: and ventured too far

adeline: i'll stay in your heart

sam: while you were

both: waiting, waiting, waiting