#tvd 3x16

[forbescaroline]

235 FAVORITE SHIPS OF ALL TIME (ranked by my followers) 28. damon salvatore and elena gilbert - the vampire diaries

[marril96]

The Vampire Diaries 3.15 | All My Children / 4.11 | Catch Me If You Can

[piperslovebot]

Debekah parallels in 3x16 & 3x17

[kiss-my-freckle]

Julie on Delena: "One of the things I really like about LJ Smith's books is that it took a very long time for Elena and Damon to reach any kind of détente, any kind of true connection, with each other. I want to make sure that we take our own sweet time with that, as well, because you have to believe it."

Series Endgame Set: Plec revealed that she and executive producer Kevin Williamson set the series’ ending while writing the seventh episode of season two in an Atlanta mall. “We were tired and stressed and talked about the last character moments of the show and both started crying in the middle of the mall and just felt like that was right,” she recalled.

Julie specified Stelena were the true love right now but their fans use old quotes to mean in general: "The fans take the Damon, Elena and Stefan love triangle very seriously. It reminds me of when I worked on Dawson's Creek and we would honestly get into verbal brawls about whether Joey should be with Dawson or Pacey. We did that right up until the very end!" So where do things stand now on TVD? "We know that the show's true love right now is Stefan and Elena—but then you have Damon, and he is like the show's Pacey, so we can't count him out."

Kevin on 3x10: "You can’t just have Elena jump into bed with someone because that’s what the writer wants them to do. You have to earn it, and the character has to do it. It took us this long to earn it. From the second episode of this show, when she walked into the Salvatore mansion and she met Damon for the first time and he kissed her hand, that’s when it began. It just took us two and a half years to say, “I think they can kiss. We’ve earned it.”

SE fans' reaction to 3x10:

IGN TV: I respect the romantic aspects of The Vampire Diaries, even if it’s not the main draw for me. Of course, that being said, Elena and Damon’s kiss was something people had obviously been waiting a long time for. 

Kevin Williamson: Yeah. And it also made a lot of people mad. [Executive Producer] Julie [Plec] and I, that night… I texted her and was like, “Did you get some death threats on your Twitter?” And she goes, “I got some death threats and some other unseemly things.” I go, “Yeah, I got a couple of ‘F*gs’ and a couple of death threats.” We were listing all the bad things they were saying. 

Kevin before season 3: "And, she’s[Elena] going to be faced with what Katherine said at the end of the show, which is that it’s okay to love both of them, because it might not be. Not for her. That was Katherine’s choice, but it may not be Elena’s choice. That’s going to be the rest of our series. It’s that one line she uttered. She does love both of them, but it’s what she does about it. You can love a lot of people, but it’s the actions you take. It’s going to be her turn, which I’m so excited about."

Before season 4: Kevin Williamson says ‪TVD‬ season 4 is the season of change.

And Julie said in the second half of season 3 that Elena will be asking herself has she fallen for Damon or has she been falling for him all along but this question never got answered in season 3, but was indirectly addressed in 3x16.

SE fans claim Kevin respected the source material more than Julie and therefore the show would've been better with him despite this quote and multiple others: The books are called "The Vampire Diaries," so we knew we had to have a journalling element. Although, Kevin, to this day, he hates it so much -- even we first started he said "I can't wait until we can get rid of this diary stuff."

Them on Steroline during season 3: I know what you’re thinking. The two of them have barely shared any screen time since season 2, when Stefan helped Caroline adjust to being a vampire. But when they did, it was so good. Turns out, I’m not the only one who noticed. Williamson revealed he’s well aware of the chemistry between the two characters and he’d like to see their relationship evolve. ”We touched on that in the second season a little bit. We always know it’s there, and if anything, I yearn to see some more moments between them as friends,” says Williamson, who also points out that Caroline has chemistry with practically every guy in Mystic Falls. “There’s a lot of shipping to do for her.” Tell me about it. For Plec, Caroline’s relationship with Stefan is reminiscent of his friendship with Lexie (Arielle Kebbel), the vampire who helped him find his humanity throughout the years, until she was eventually killed by Damon. ”We’ve always said that Caroline — even if we don’t play it on the forefront, but in the life of the series — is Lexie,” explains Plec. “It’s only a matter of time before that friendship is allowed to grow and be fostered.”

"because you have to believe it."

That's one of the reasons I love Delena. They're more believable based on how they're written.

I fully agree on the Series Endgame Set.

"We know that the show's true love right now is Stefan and Elena"

The "right now" of that statement is everything.

Kevin's comment about 3x10 is insanely awesome to me because that's how I feel about a lot of things. Like I feel season 4 Elena earned the right to be with Damon because she died for everyone else. It was the right time for her to be selfish, to take what she wants and have fun. And whenever I talk about Delena, I talk about them earning what they have because they built it. They put in the work.

It's not consctructive, but insanely childish to send death threats to the writers. A mature person would tell the writers why they feel Damon and Elena shouldn't have kissed in 3x10. But most fans are about their feelings rather than the writing.

"It’s going to be her turn"

Yeah, that's basically what they're doing with Katherine and Elena. They've been repeating history since the moment Stefan entered Elena's life. That's why I tell my followers to pay mind to their flashbacks because they foreshadow a lot. And yes, it's Elena's turn to love both brothers and choose between them. What's insanely beautiful to me is how they wrote Elena opposite Katherine. For Katherine, she's drawn to Stefan's light. For Elena, she's drawn to Damon's darkness. It's a natural attraction based on how they're written.

"season 4 is the season of change."

Fully agree with this.

When I re-watch season 3, I'll gather every indirect admission for Elena because there are quite a few. Elena reciprocating Damon's kiss in 3x10 is an indirect admission. But that's what I mean about season 3. Elena is too afraid to admit it directly, so there are a lot of indirects. Vampirism helps Elena through her fear. This allows her direct admissions in season 4.

I actually like the diary stuff, but I do favor Damon's writing above Stefan's and Elena's.

“There’s a lot of shipping to do for her.” I feel this is true for both Caroline and Damon. They could pair them with anyone and it would sell... I just don't like Caroline's personality. tbh, I love her most when she flips her switch. There's not a paring of Damon's that I hate because he sells it, but I value specifics based on his character journey.

[derangedangel]

Just finished 3x16 of TVD (1912) and I feel so bad about Stefan. He has an addiction to something he needs to survive as a vampire. He didn’t have someone to help him when he turned and never truly learned control. He learned from Lexi, then ran into Damon, and fell off the wagon. He went ripper again for decades. And now he’s trying to control it by going cold turkey again, and I’m Damon’s weird way tried to help him by forcing him to drink human blood. It just feels like a lot of Stefan’s vampire life was miserable.

[landonmikaelson]

Like your parents did.

[broken-fragile-girl]

Él solo se colo dentro de mi piel. Y no importa lo que haga, simplemente no puedo quitármelo...

[eg515]

"Dear Diary, A chipmunk asked me my name today. I told him it was Joe. That lie will haunt me forever." yeah, okay, he did have funny lines, I'll admit that

[flakypuffpastry]

Legacies S4 Prediction

I just finished watching legacies 3x15.

One of the first things that popped into my head was that this season would likely end with a call back to TVD season 3 i.e., with Hope waking up as a vampire.

This will give the writers a chance to explore Hope's darker side in Season 4 like they did with Elena.

And hopefully, give Hope a chance to just be by herself or find a better, more interesting love interest.

[gilbertstelena]

parallels “there was something about being with stefan that just felt safe” “i’d turn my back on everything here to make sure elena’s safe” “it’s like i knew that he would never stop loving me” “i never stopped loving you”

[forbescaroline]

TOP 5/10 CHARACTERS PER SHOW (as voted by my followers) ↳ the vampire diaries edition #4. Rebekah Mikaelson portrayed by Claire Holt

[ohh-bloodyhell]

[1jemmagirl22]

Me when i see an article titled ‘Legacies season 3 finale end on a ‘jackhammer cliffhanger’’:

[kiss-my-freckle]

I recently heard that Kevin said after the show ended that his Elena chooses Pacey tweet was referring to Matt even though Julie said Damon was the show's Pacey lol. One of the TO producers (Carina) said that the ending was changed to kill off Stefan a month before the TVD finale aired. She also said right after the finale aired that Damon didn't feel nearly as guilty as Stefan. She's stated in the past that Stefan was one of the most well written characters in the show and that she generally prefers him over Damon, and that if she got to work on TVD instead she would make Damon more answerable for his past. She may have ruined Delena like she ruined Hayley and Elijah. She said that Hayley and Elijah's romance was started before she entered that show and after Hayley died she said Jackson was one of the only people besides her parents who made her feel safe. She also said she chose Jackson and Hayley's wedding song, so it seems she preferred them.

I don't even consider Matt for a Dawson's Creek parallel. Damon is Pacey, Stefan is Dawson. Matt is cut between them because he's human, and he's more of a Dawson than a Pacey. Paired with Elena simply because they've been friends for a long time. Because apparently boys and girls can't just be friends with each other. Damon is Pacey, and every Delana shipper that watched Dawson's Creek knows it.

I'd have to disagree about the whole Stefan vs Damon bits too. I wouldn't say that Damon didn't feel nearly as guilty as Stefan because Damon always felt guilt. I'd say that he simply didn't become victim to his guilt like Stefan did. He was more of a victim to his love. I also consider Damon a better written character than Stefan, that's why they had such a problem getting fans to hate him. As for Damon being more answerable for his past, that's the only part I do agree with. But I also feel that's the beauty of his human life. He could be answering to it. To all of it. Not everything that should be in the show needs to be in the show. Fans can actually imagine Damon's human life and his redemption for themselves. I actually prefer that.

I'm more “out of the box” with writing. That's why I'm the type that wouldn't have Elena end up with Stefan or Joey end up with Dawson. Ships like that are ridiculous to me. If I were the writer and I didn't want Elena to end up with either Salvatore, she wouldn't have ended up with Matt either. I honestly would've pulled a Sookie Stackhouse ending. It would've been different had Elena fallen in love with Matt and it actually been passionate enough for her, but they already went there and destroyed it, so that would've been a trash ending as far as I'm concerned.

How ships are written actually matter to me. That's why if Elena didn't end up with Damon, I feel she had to end up with some random guy. I feel they destroyed Stelena over and over again in their own written dialogues. Dialogues in 3x22, 3x19, even 3x16. The fact that it took Elena mere months to fall for Damon says a lot. I'm talking about the same show that had Damon remain emotionally loyal to Katherine for 145 years, and this was despite his belief that she was desiccating in a tomb. Elena knew what Stefan was doing because Katherine told her, and she STILL fell for Damon. They could've written Elena more like Damon. To have sexual relationships with other men while the love of her life was fulfilling his duty to Klaus. In doing so, they could've written Delena as a temporary, sex-based ship just to please the shippers. They chose not to. God forbid they have Elena use a man for sex... as if that doesn't happen in real life.

[sarawithanh30]

I think the most selfless thing damon has ever done is in season 3 episode 16 (all my children). Damon and stefan need to stop the ritual to save elena's life. In order to do that damon toss a coin to see who should do dirty work. The coin toss supposed to be stefan but damon doesn't want stefan to brood for another half century and also he doesn't want elena to hate stefan so he made stefan believes that it's him who supposed to do the work. He knows elena gonna hate him for what he's going to do but at least elena won't hate stefan. He'd rather be a bad guy to save elena's life and to save stefan from feeling bad. And stefan knows the coin toss should be him but he doesn't say anything until damon stop the ritual by turning bonnie's mom into a vampire so he could earn a point.

[zalrb]

Stop acting like your boy is innocent.

There is a 1864 flashback in 2x15 where Stefan is feeding on several women (three or four) in lingerie (people in 1864 don't wear modern underwear like bras, what they were wearing was lingerie at the time, it was highly indecent to be dressed like this in the 19h century, especially around a man), it's implied he compelled them to undress and to be okay with him feeding on them and taking pleasure in it because they were really happy about it. There's even one of them lying on the sofa. We can understand what Damon and Katherine did based on context (this situation is similar to Damon and Andi or Isobel and her assistants, this is a pattern in TVD, vampires with human people in underwear are all implied to be their rapist), so can we for Stefan. Ironically it's newbie vampire Damon who compelled these women to leave, and Stefan was aware of what he was doing, because when Damon said it was too much and he was going to leave Stefan begged him to stay. I also remembered that when Damon arrived, Stefan threw a woman at him and she caressed him. Women don't need to be in lingerie for a vampire to feed on them (ex :1912 flashback in 3x16, the women were not in lingerie), there is an intended message. When Stefan explained it to Elena, she told him "sounds like you were Damon", and Stefan said "I was worse than Damon. »

Case 2 : the women in the 1920s : There is a dodgy line in his diary in S3 which mentions his days in the 1920s when he says he wakes up in strangers’ blood with women he doesn't recognize. The mention of "women" isn't innocent, because it's canon that rippers don't feed only on women, we have seen Stefan feed on little kids too. The show also made it a point that he chose to have an apartment in Chicago next to an all-girls high school, which shut down for attendance issues, I think you can guess why...

I'd like to add that absolutely no one really took accountability in the show, every rape case was swept under the rug :

This is the last post I’m making about this.

Stefan without humanity is sadistic and he’s a murderer I’ve been very upfront with that, he toys with people - including women - before killing them but there is a separation between TVD being like, what would look sexy and erotic and disturbing onscreen

a la

(trying to go for this kinda thing which was an endorsement someone did for the Dracula trailer: The vegetarian vampire is dead, long live his non-sparkling counterpart! Yes, let our vampire stories have some bite. Let us get back some of that danger, some of that seduction of evil, and dare I say it? Let us have blood. Rivers of Hammer Horror technicolor blood. Blood, blood, everywhere, and all the drops to drink.)

and what Stefan as a character does, especially considering that Julie was going for a certain aesthetic:

“There was a sensuality and a seduction to the vampire genre that now, [nearly] 10 years later, isn’t necessarily as sexy, right?” she says, alluding to the fact that vampires can be compelling or glamorous to humans (depending on whether you’re watching TVD or True Blood) and have overpowering strength and speed.

Stefan gorges on blood, the woman on the couch is dead.

Her being in lingerie is for aesthetic, when he goes to his next victim, he bites her immediately, because even if he is playing games, Stefan’s desire is always about this:

like the twister game, it’s about feeding

so him choosing to stay across the street from an all girls school means that he played the same type of games or that he has preferences

but even in this, it’s about the feed although it’s made to look like it could be a makeout until closer examination:

The show in general did have a tendency to skew towards female victims when they wanted to illicit a certain image of disturbing eroticism:

whereas male victims were always rage or functional:

(which isn’t to say female victims were always used to illicit eroticism). The diary entry is easy to split hairs about

Stefan is the one who doesn’t recognize the women he’s with, there’s nothing to suggest that anything was coerced, particularly since in the same entry, he refers to Rebekah as a ‘woman’ so who’s to say that they aren’t other vampires he doesn’t recognize

There’s also the way it was written, which can suggest that each sentence is a different occurrence i.e. there were days he woke up in strangers’ bloods[period] in places he doesn’t recognize [period] with women he doesn’t remember [period].

This really just depends on how you want to interpret it.

I do agree that the show in general did have a problem with rape culture, which JP admitted:

“And you could look at it back through the lens of say the #MeToo movement and object to what may be a little bit of a glorification of a rape culture, but what we were working with at the time was a gothic romance with a fine line — a very fine line — separating it,” she says with a laugh. “And I used to get in arguments about it being a gothic romance and not wanting to censor the sexuality of the characters, even if it felt a little questionable at times, like specifically Damon and Caroline in the first couple of episodes [when he used her as a plaything and drank from her against her will]. Because that’s what vampires represented, and that’s what vampires were. And the culture has just shifted enough that you’d have to think twice before you dove in that boldly now, I think.”

But in this context, the issue with Stefan would then be the framing of his murders and how they were made to look erotic and not Stefan as a character being a rapist.

Not to mention, considering that at the time, JP doubled down on what Damon and Katherine did, if there was “sex” involved with Stefan’s feeding then we would just get a scene like this

or this

or even this

There would be no reason not to.

Anyway, I’ve written about this more than I care to at this point, so.