#toxic spn set

[jarpadswalker]

Now, we all know exactly when, who, and how SPN set became toxic. Misha was the leech that hit SPN and made everything toxic. You could see how he impacted Jared just by looking at his health. Jared is glowing ever since Supernatural ended.

Also, it is very telling how not a single person has ever talked about how great it is to work with Misha in a public context ( barring the PR activity/con where actors have to give the party line). Nor, is he getting any new projects clearly seeing how unlikeable and toxic he is.

Also, not to forget this is not the first instance even during S7 when Misha was removed (a great initiative by Sara)he couldn't find a single job and started blaming Supernatural.

[laf-outloud]

It strikes me a lot of unprofessional people were allowed to get their hands on Spn. No wonder Jared talked about agendas and toxic environments and wanted to leave.

One of these days, after the conventions are over and the possibility of a reboot is dead, some crew member is going to write a tell-all and at this point, I'm not sure there's much that could surprise me. Jared was far too generous to let these people leech off of SPN for as long as they did.

I'm so grateful that Jared was able to move directly to another set where he has the ability and the authority to shut down any toxicity. It makes me wonder if he didn't have Walker if he would have even come back to acting.

[dotthings]

lolol the way spn standom treats this canon it supposedly loves so much is a crisis every single day and I know the show is over so people think it’s not supposed to matter the way it once did but it matters. I’m not going to just sit here while that source text gets mangled in an endless loop by most of what’s left of spn “fandom.” It is not only record breaking as the longest running genre tv series on US broadcast history (or streaming too), it’s among the greatest genre series in US tv history. Flaws and all. It is. I am just going to say it. It deserves better than to be relegated to the chronic ~edgy hot take that it’s the worst show ever and people shouldn’t like it. GTFO if you hate it so much.

* the “everything about this sucks after S3 mentality” or “everything about this sucks since Kripke left” needs to get thrown into a hole. These aren’t spn fans. They were once upon a time probably but no longer are and they need to leave.

* the parasocialized lenses warping the canon takes, where people have latched onto any of J2M to the point where they’ve allowed it to govern how they perceive the entire show and characters instead of seeing the story as a story and the characters as they actually are in canon and where they literally think spn sprang fully formed out of J2M’s brains and writers don’t exist. My kingdom for some media literacy.

* narrow-minded warped lenses that keep thumping on like evangelists about how the show is only about the brothers and the entire rich narrative gets flushed down the toilet by these so-called bestest truest stans ever. They do not pay attention to this canon, they do not appreciate this canon, they’re fixated on a broship, and that’s the extent of their ability to comprehend the actual source text of a show they are supposedly such huge fans of. Also years of marketing is also guilty on this. Guilty!! J’accuse, marketing. Marketing is a simplistic packaged gloss and does not reflect the richness within. Some of the marketing reflects more of that richness, but mostly the standard branding line “about two brothers” gets slapped on it and reality is a whole lot more to it. People don’t really use critical thinking or media literacy to understand that’s just the backbone construct of it and not a reflection of all the actual flesh.

[rubyrubyrubytuesday]

The Halliwells are sort of 'what if Sam and Dean were more normal about each other because they aren't doomed by the narrative to be in a horror show, stuck in a cycle of endless hopeless paranoid tragedy'.

They're the model for The Most Normal I Think They Are Ever Capable Of Being (living in a house together where their SOs get disrespected because only Siblings Get Votes)

Right down to 'younger sibling gets demon bf/gf, older sibling gets angel bf'

[thenameisgul]

Misha, we could never thankyou enough for your services 👏🏻

misha collins first instinct when coming on spn literally being "i'm gonna make it gay" [x]

[lol-jackles]

Hello, how are you?

I would like to get your opinion on something JA said about friendship, it was about how he had learned from Jared that putting effort into a friendship it will pay you back in dividends for the rest of your life. I don't have the link but if I get it I'll send it to you.

You mentioned at times that a codependent friendship usually lasts about 10 years and that the J2's had to work on their friendship back in the day before the end of spn and all the TW drama.

They say they're still friends and I guess it's real if it's true that there have been apologies and well, time and distance usually helps. But when they say things like that, obviously it tends to happen at cons, the people who still attend are because they are fans of the show and the relationship between the brothers, of course you have to sell a united image.

What I don't quite understand is why they had to work so hard to keep their friendship together, it doesn't seem to be the same with other friendships, was it because of the co-dependency factor?

And also, why do two grown men, one more experienced than the other, have a codependent friendship? I'm not saying that the nature of the friendship is the same today for different reasons, but looking back it's not common to see certain actions and freedoms that were in that friendship arising from work, let alone the world of entertainment.

Sorry for the long text and happy New Year's Eve (if you celebrate it).

Link. Doing pretty well, thank you friend.

"why they had to work so hard to keep their friendship together, it doesn't seem to be the same with other friendships, was it because of the co-dependency factor?"

Mainly due to unique shared experience.  Think why people keep going back to their high school reunions despite purporting to hate their time in the warehouse, because there’s nobody else on earth that remotely experienced what you did.  There hasn’t been any tv shows or movies where you have the same co-lead for 15 consecutive years in a very competitive industry where everybody is trying to take your job *cough* Misha! *cough*.  Jared and Jensen had unique experiences on a unique show.  Friendships thrive on shared struggles and shared experiences: both positive and negative, especially negative!

"And also, why do two grown men, one more experienced than the other, have a codependent friendship?"

Because codependent friendship is a toxic solution to a problem(s).  Jensen is a bit under-functioning and needs validation, which may be why he would get weekly acting critiques from his father during his Supernatural tenure.  Jared had a problem with setting boundaries.   Jared had idolized Jensen, feeding his need for validation.  Jensen kept parasites and hangers-on away from Jared, sparing him from having to set boundaries.   Jared was younger and didn’t know better.  By the time he figured it out in his 30s, it was a bit too late because men in their 30s have harder time forming new friendships that become true friendship.  Going back to the shared experience, Jared doesn’t have a peer his age who knows what it was like to lead such a long running show.  Tom Welling maybe, but he pretty much went into hiding.

[eisforeidolon]

In regards to that post [X]:

We could talk about the same old fallacies - OMG, Dean's siren is a guy! Yeah, a brother. OMG, Dean was supposed to say I love you in the Crypt scene! Yeah, it was removed and replaced with what the writer explicitly said was the less OOC version of what he meant anyway, "We're family". We could talk about the blatant absurdity of statements like "Dean liked men it happened on my screen" which bear no resemblance to the SPN that aired. But we've done that before and others have got this reiteration of it well covered.

So I wanna focus for the moment on this particular even more repulsive gem: "Like he literally doesn't need to verbally tell us he's bisexual we just know. He may not know but we do. This is an unmovable fact sorry."

It tells us a few things. One, this person is a fucking idiot. Two, this person, yet again, thinks that ~*interpreting*~ sexuality from the way someone looks/stands/makes eye contact/eats pastry/whatever numbnuts conspiracy bullshit you like? Is more valid than how a character identifies and is identified by those who created him. People can just look at you and know what your sexuality is better than you do, there's nothing repulsive about that idea at all! I've got a mountain of shiny pennies that says if Dean had literally never interacted with a man for the entire span of the series, they would have insisted it was because he was so afraid of how much he wanted to fuck them. There was no way the writers could have written Dean that someone like that would have accepted as actually heterosexual, because that's not what they personally wanted, so that's not what they were going to see.

I'm not saying there aren't things that might be said about how relatively questionable some of the gay jokes in SPN are, especially in the early years in terms of making queerness a punchline. But if we're going to talk about that? We need to do it not only in the cultural context of 2005 rather than 2023, but in the context of portrayals of real world men - and particularly those in fairly rural settings who aren't going to be particularly conscientious in the way they rib each other. Which becomes a whole other discussion about where to draw lines when you're writing fiction and dealing with things that might be realistic but also potentially offensive.

Furthermore, I'm not saying there aren't things that might be said about how SPN continually used romantic tropes for platonic relationships and how it's not entirely absurd for that to land different with the audience when the characters are not blood-related. Except that discussion needs to include not just how maybe the writers shouldn't have treated it as such a joke that a relationship between two male characters might have been possible, but also how fans should absolutely not have equated a relationship being theoretically possible with any specific relationship they wanted being owed to them. Especially in the context of those romantic tropes being used so so so much more between brothers all the fucking time setting the tone. As well as how it's not just problematic to treat the possibility of homosexual relationships as a joke, but problematic to insist literally any closeness between two male entities is gay, reinforcing all kinds of nasty toxic stereotypes about sexuality and masculinity which underlay a lot of modern adult men's issues with expressing their emotions and having genuinely close and open relationships outside of their romantic partners. I've seen fans wonder how heterosexual dudes can watch this show and love the brothers' relationship without seemingly noticing the weird undertones of how claustrophobically intertwined they are, and I think it's very much that when it comes to wanting a fantasy of platonic closeness, they're looking for realism as much as most women reading trashy romance novels are - but that's a whole other digression and this is already too long.

At the end of the day, not only was SPN not created in the cultural context of Very Online Tumbrites in 2023, convinced that nothing should ever be is heterosexual and every fictional story should be about them and what they want? The fact their ostensible original point misses is the real world and most other media of 2023 aren't like that either! Some of these shippers come across like they've literally never seen two adult male friends interact with each other or any actual love stories in media - and it's not just early 2000's television characters getting this treatment from entitled shippers who want to use representation as a weapon against creators as to why they're owed things they absolutely aren't.

[follows-the-bees]

There are some legit things that need critiqued/discussed with the show, particularly the second season. I have talked about several of these many times.

And I know that for many, these things outweigh the good, and may cause one to not be able to watch the show right now. I remember after SPN's terrible finale, I couldn't watch the show for months, until I listened to a podcast and talked to people and started to fall in love with it again.

I had the opposite reaction to OFMD, and even with the critiques and issues, I still love the show. And while I'm mad it didn't get to finish it's run, I am also grateful that it didn't end at season one. I love that Ed and Stede are together (I wish we could see them work and talk everything out, actually get to see them be a couple) and that the crew is together. Captain Frenchie! I love that they are on their way to defeat the colonizers, that the toxic ways of piracy are behind and instead they set sail to a golden sunset. To a new day.

I hope that the people who are still feeling down, get the closure they need. This show is so loving, kind, and compassionate, and I hope that on others.

[angelinthefire]

As someone who's been around the fandom longer than i, what do you think of the claim that destiel shippers were the reason female characters got killed or kicked off the show? This seems to be a really common narrative in gen fandom spaces like r/supernatural but there's never any mention of wincest shippers and idk I find it kind of dubious. I mean obviously when it's applied to characters like bela or ruby it makes no sense but what about others? Like the claim usually goes oh they could never keep around a love interest for either of them because the hellers would throw a fit but did that happen? Usually it's brought up with Jo, Lisa, Meg, and Hannah. I know that is not actually why Meg left the show, but what about the others? I also know Alona and Cindy Sampson in particular are cited as receiving harassment for their roles but did this actually have anything to do with destiel seeing as it wasn't that popular of a ship back then? I only started watching in 2014 when destiel was the biggest ship and it never seemed to me like they were trying to set up romances that were shot down by the fans. I mean did anyone actually expect hannah to be an endgame love interest? And no one really makes this claim about Amara either. And it also wouldn't apply to characters like Charlie or Missouri either who both still got killed off. Idk I've just been seeing a lot of narrative recently about fans being primarily responsible for the killing off of female characters but I feel like it's shifting blame a bit, even more so to apply it solely to destiel fans (I mean did destiel get Sarah Blake killed??)

Yeah blaming destiel shippers is ridiculous. Destiel shippers didn't even reach preponderance in the fandom until s8. The worst of the misogyny of the fandom was solidly concentrated in the first half of the shows life. Attitudes changed as societal attitudes changed, and as the show itself finally broke down and developed more of an ensemble cast.

The wincesties/bronlies were always far more venomous when it came to characters who threatened to get between the bros. No matter the gender. As can be seen from the segment that tried to keep Misha from coming back. Were there destiel shippers who hated on Meg or Anna or others? Yes, but to a degree that is pretty typical across fandoms, especially in the 2000s. Not to the degree that they actually tried to launch a campaign to get any actors fired. Which, again, is what bronlies did to Misha.

In general I think it's incorrect to blame the fans for female characters being killed off. If the writers are committed to a character and a vision and it's working for them they can make it work for the audience too. The thing with Jo and Bela is that, to my understanding, their existence is the result of network notes to try to include more female characters, so Kripke was never super committed to them in the first place.

You point out why Hannah and Meg don't make sense as examples. Alona's role was in s2, and in s5 she was basically brought back in order to be killed off. Same thing with Sarah Blake, which is a useful counter example. She was also brought back to die. Since neither of them had a recurring role when they were killed off, it doesn’t make sense to blame shippers. Again, it's the writers deciding that the most useful thing a female character can do is die to further the main characters' motivation.

Few people liked Lisa at the time s6 aired, she was seen as boring and as detracting attention from the brothers.

I think there's a relationship between the sexism of the writers and the fans. When the writers don't care about characters and see them as fridging material, fans can pick up on it. And then fan hatred of the character is cited as an excuse to write them off. This is a simplification, I do think there are parts of spn fandom that are particularly toxic, but I also think it's true that fan opinion is never the only reason why writing choices are made.

[desperatted]

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▶ sup! if you're here, you're either here to write with me or judge me for my kinks. either is fine by me, as long as you have fun! allow me to detail what this blog is for and who I am;

I am a trans man in my early thirties. super communicative, the creative type, I dom as a hobby and gravitate to mostly writing top-doms, or at least dominant bottoms. I'm flexible, however, and go where the plot and characters take me! my writing is advanced literate and, despite the nature of the writing I intend to do with this blog, I prefer quality over quantiy and am not interested in writing with anyone whose quality of text doesn't match with mine. I want to feel like we vibe, otherwise I lose interest quick. like said, I like writing tops and doms, but I'm more interested in the gentle, soft, pleasure / service dom and top types than evil, controlling and abusive doms. the kinds with more of a savior complex than a desire to use anyone. that being said, though - it doesn't mean my characters will be entirely soft and can definitely get mean, especially to tease their partners. it all depends on what we want to do with the plot! I prefer writing over discord, but I'm not super particular.

I created this blog to find likeminded kinksters to write with; full list of kinks under the cut. 25+ only. please be advanced literate, as I am too. I'm interested in writing out kinky settings with relationships and love at the heart of them. I'm open to including messed up situations that are due to unfortunate circumstance or that happened in the past, but I am not interested in a purposefully toxic or malicious relationship. if anything, I want our characters to comfort each other through the angst and the suffering and grow together from it, sexually and beyond. power imbalances can be fun, but need to be discussed OOC first.

MxM for the most part, open to fandom, fandomless, CC and OC related storylines! I have plenty of ideas for set-ups and plotlines; if you approach me with the sort of dynamics and kinks you'd be into writing, I'll be sure to toss some suggestions your way.

NOTE; just because my list of kinks is long, it does not mean I'm looking to include all of them in one roleplay. if you, say, are into writing orgasm denial but not bladder control? that's fine!! I'm still into it!!

without further ado; below is, as mentioned, a list of fandoms and kinks I'm open to / looking to include in my writing. if any of it strikes your fancy, don't be shy and hit me up! for a quick example of my writing, feel free to check out my AO3;

DESPERATTED on AO3

▶ fandoms:

Current hyperfixations: Baldur's Gate 3, Dragon Age

• some of my favorites to write:

Baldur's Gate 3, Dragon Age, Criminal Minds, Fallout, Marvel, Supernatural, Squid Game, Stranger Things, The Last Of Us

• favorite canon characters to write against:

(BG3) Astarion Ancunín, Gale Dekarios, Wyll Ravengard, (DA) Loghain Mac Tir, Lucanis Dellamorte, Zevran Arainai, Fenris, (CM) Spencer Reid, (Fallout) MacCready, Scribe Maximus, Charon, (Marvel) Logan Howlett, Tony Stark, Peter Quill, Kraglin, (SPN) Dean Winchester, Castiel, (SG) Gi-hun Seong, (ST) Steve Harrington

• canon characters I have experience writing:

(DA) Varric Tethras, Dorian Pavus, The Iron Bull, Sigrun, (Marvel) Gamora, Nebula, James Rhodes, Remy LeBeau, (SG) Sang-woo Cho, (ST) Eddie Munson

▶ kinks:

【 ♥ = especially searching ATM 】

• yes! :

bondage / shibari, dom-sub, praise, worship / body worship, begging, nipple play, crying, omorashi, ♥ bladder control, bladder shyness, ♥ orgasm control, edging, magic, sex toys, ♥ premature / ruined orgasms, sexual dysfunction, ♥ public orgasms / teasing / desperation etc, multiple orgasms, orgasm torture, forced orgasms, mild humiliation, mild exhebitionism, mild voyeurism, mild monsterfucking, M/M

• possible:

dubious consent, chastity, humiliation, impact play, age gaps, CNC, M/F

• nope:

mpreg, diapers, scat, consuming fluids, littles, DDLG, step-anything, grooming, MAPs, incest, beastiality / full on animals, puppy / pony / etc play, ageplay, raceplay, full non-con / r*pe / ab*se , hard humiliation / blackmail, substance abuse, omegaverse, F/F, sissification or other gender-related humiliation, trans characters (short explanation: gender dysphoria)

all in all... for me, it's the journey of prolonged desire, teasing and waiting culminating into a release that's The Shit 🤌🏻

▶ samples for vibes:

for clarity, none of these were written by me nor are they exactly what I'm looking for. they simply describe the kind of vibe, settings and dynamics I'm looking for (or looking for our characters to have survived).

• I Didn't Say You Could Let Go (AO3, omorashi / abusive past)

with this one, I'd love the idea of (your character) having been The Assett in this situation. (your character) is somehow freed from the situation they've been in and are watched over by mine; (your character)'s prior conditioning takes hold and they have issues performing in daily life, including having no idea how to ask what they need for. my character gently guides them through their issues and into independence.

• When He Can't (AO3, omorashi / bladder shyness)

I adore the setting of a loving relationship with one half having issues and the other loving them through it!

• To Love Or Not To Love (AO3, orgasm denial / edging / sex toys / dubcon)

it's the latter half of this fic for me; the extreme orgasm denial combined with multiple orgasms and pining? yes. yesssss.

[aliusfrater]

my fav part about how long spn is that it went on long enough for sam & dean to switch places as the main character and it really cemented the toxicity of their relationship because of how much agency whoever is considered the main character within a moment is robbed of because of the amount of control the other is given when it comes to the main brother's fate. like sam had so little control over his fate, right up until it comes to a head when dean literally manipulates him out of Death's (capital d) hands simply because he wouldn't be able to live without sam which tosses the plot onto dean and how the amount of control dean has over his life affects sam but then once they reach relative neutrality, dean gains the mark of cain and suddenly the thought of losing dean propels the plot into the direction of sam working to keep dean alive, and id say that by doing so sam rips dean's agency from him but dean had straight up given up at that point. dean practically set his agency down on a table in the open and sam snatches it up before it could even touch its surface. there's something else to be said about dean doing everything to control sam's fate with the intent of doing what's best for sam but it coming out as the selfish needs of a little boy craving his brother's companionship and sam picking up the pace right beside dean once dean isn't able to walk fast enough to be in front of sam anymore

[laf-outloud]

If anyone wants receipts, here's the article where they mention the cast and crew of The Winchesters working while sick (as well as working long hours).

[dotthings]

Jared stans who continue to be hateful, unreasonable, incapable of reason, who keep lying, gaslighting, and playing victim while being bullies: reap what you sow. Nothing changes the truth of what you are or what you are doing. spn is going to spn despite you, people will love what they love despite you. What really sets your hair on fire is that you have no control here, don't belong here, that you aren't fans, except for the cult of Jared, and you can't stand that people noticed, call you out, or simply refuse to have anything to do with you and your relentless and ceaseless toxicity and hatred. Go find some other fandom to terrorize and abuse and poison, you aren't welcome here.

[sammygender]

Choose violence ask game. 16 and 21. ❤️

ask game

thank u sm for enabling me to be a hater

16. you can't understand why so many people like this thing

well dstiel obviously though i do understand why people like it so much. it's because they're stupid.

aside from that.. oh wait this one is so random and no hate whatsoever (in fact only love) to people who like it but i don't really like transmasc dean in a canon setting. as an au it's incredibly interesting but i see it as occupying similar space to a cis girl dean au in a way where it definitely is..... an AU. in canon like. yeah no. that's NOT a trans guy im sorry. trans guys can be annoying dont get me wrong. but you'd have to be VERY special to be annoying the way he is. also he wouldnt transition for ages cause hes dean winchester and he likes to conform to and in fact play up his expected role. so he certainly wouldve not transitioned in the canon when we see him.

i dont feel this way at all about transmasc sam however. he'd be the same pretty much. as would transfem sam who we all know i adore. anyway i'll probably change my mind in a week and get obsessed with transmasc dean and post 20 times in a row about it and you are all allowed to pelt me with rocks.

21. part of canon you think is overhyped

this was surprisingly hard. in the interest of being interesting and not just going for 'destiel' or something, i'm actually going to say kripke era. it IS my favourite era!! its objectively the best in terms of writing, atmosphere, plot, characterisation. like no contest, obviously. in fact when i recommend the show to people i tell them just to watch the first 5 seasons (while planning on baiting them into continuing after swan song by going 'but its suchhh a bad ending for sam :(( dont you want to see what happens next.....').

so i use 'overhyped' very loosely to mean that despite me recognising it as objectively superior to the rest of the show, i don't actually hugely enjoy a lot of it that much more than i enjoy later on? a lot of my favourite parts of supernatural are heavily built on in the later seasons, or even introduced then. sam & lucifer's cage dynamic and everything resulting from it. the gadreel violation and in fact most of sam's..... everything. ofc this is all present in kripke and it's explored much Better and thematically and gothically and its just more atmospheric and intentional-seeming. whereas late seasons is kind of like this hodge-podge by different writers where you get these insane and intentional gems amid a bunch of white noise. but i just.... im a late seasons kind of person!! i loved buffy s6!! i enjoy works jumping the shark and i enjoy what art becomes when it already has so much to build on. shrug emoji.

like. ok. what first made me compulsively obsessive over supernatural (after the dean daddy issues, which i HAVE to admit hooked me........this is why im the ultimate critique of deangirls, because i was one for 3 seasons <3) was sam & azazel, the metaphor & violation present in his whole demon blood storyline. obvi this is kripke era. and i have to give kripke era credit for it. but a lot of what i consider fundamental to sam & this theme of uncleanliness especially in regards to assault and violation in some way is just soo built on post kripke. his cage trauma in s7. 8x21's "i'm not clean" speech. every compounding incident that happens to sam and his body, from gadreel possession to chuck in s15................

BASICALLY this is to say not that kripke era is really overrated but that so much credit is given to it at the expense of late seasons, when the domestic horror, cycle-of-abuse-sitcom, gabriel's tv show style thing it becomes is actually such a huge part of my enjoyment of spn. and wow i never thought i would be saying this. but i watched riverdale so idk what i was expecting. sigh. but really. what other show is giving us toxic polycule made up of brothers and an Angel of God coparenting the devil's child... also the devil happens to be brother #1's (sam is brother #1) abusive ex.... and hes currently fighting the polycule for custody rights. also the kid was born last week and hes 15. like sorry this is so fundamental to my supernatural. i could never rewatch and stop at s5. i rewatch late seasons eps all the time. ALSO LATE SEASONS SAM WINCHESTER. LIKE. COME ON. EARLY SEASONS SAM IS OVERRATED COMPARED TO LATE SEASONS. <3

[unforth]

h-how is someone into wincest also an anti i. the sheer cognitive dissonance involved

well, to be clear, Kelios isn't the kind of anti that says "no dark content ever!" she's the kind of anti that says "I hate THAT SPECIFIC OTHER THING so much that I'm going to be awful about it all the time." So she's anti-Destiel, and anti-Castiel, and in the same way that people in MDZS are anti-Jiang Cheng and just can't engage with the fandom in any normal way as a result of how virulently they hate That One Guy.

Like iirc it was Kelios and her friends who spent cumulatively thousands of dollars to go to a con and get a big group photo op with Misha Collins, the actor who plays Castiel, just so they could make him hold a sign about how much he sucks and use that to be rude and humiliating about a whole-ass REAL PERSON on the internet...because they didn't like Castiel and Destiel.

She's also an RPF tin-hatter for the actors of the incest ship (Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles, the ship is usually called J2). Like she literally hates Misha Collins...because he's in the way...of her RPF ship that she believes is real...

Like. It's genuinely hard to understate how truly unhinged Kelios is, which is why Bobo Berens taking her down was so so so lovely.

(to be clear: I don't care of people ship incest ships - I literally ship incest too... - and I don't care of people ship rpf - it squicks me but don't like, don't read - but like. This is the kind of person who deliberately set out to befriend the cast and crew while being this unhinged, who truly thinks that the actors' wives are beards and the actors are a thing, and who has bullied countless real life people INCLUDING THE LITERAL ACTORS AND CAST AND CREW because reality didn't match their delusions. Like. Kelios is batshit. Kelios is so well-known for being batshit that the writer replied and then the post did numbers on Twitter and Tumblr so that all the people who knew Kelios was batshit could delight in watching her get told to stfu by someone with the authority to say that to her in a way that would infuriate her instead of being something she could laugh at and ignore. Like, fuck bullying, but she brought this on herself.)

(tl:dr, if you have any interest in SPN at all, please block Kelios on every platform - regardless of what you ship - because no one needs that much toxic. You'll be happier and healthier.)

(god I hope I don't get in trouble for posting this, I don't mean it as a call-out post, this is all just. known information about her. except that The Old Lore gets lost and maybe it does need to be said??? idk maybe I shouldn't post it. *sweatdrop*)

[lol-jackles]

Does anyone else think that Kripke is an immature dude bro with an ego the size of Texas, who writes stores vilifying “toxic” masculinity just so he can get away with writing characters who say and do shitty things without getting the woke police set on his ass? Is it just me?

Kripke has always been this way. He was “too problematic” for Supernatural and “too PC” for The Boys because he treats both set of fans the same. Kripke successfully painted SPN fangirls as crazy that shouldn’t be listened to.  And now he’s doing the same to The Boys fans by painting them as bigoted neckbeards that no one should listen to in order to justify away all criticism because he can't handle any legit criticism. Writers like this become what they’ve previously mocked in the past, so Kripke is becoming Vought and focusing on popularity and projections.