#tomlily

[sugarsnappeases]

hi karaaaaaa talk to me about any rare pair you feel like yapping about <3

aaaaaa hiii this made me so happy <333 i’ve decided it’s Time for us to have a proper chat about tomlily….. @quillkiller and i’s second-born child

the first thing you need to know is that they’re both sociopaths (sociopath lily oh how i looove youuu)..... i made this post before about the quote 'beautiful monsters composed of every individual perfection' and how it relates to lily, but i think it's interesting to consider in terms of her being a sociopath (this is actually how our first tomlily convo began, way back whenever it was). her making sure that every part of herself is viewed as perfect, carefully curating her public image - she's the miracle muggleborn! so smart, so kind, so helpful and friendly and every single good characteristic! a shoe-in for head girl, the perfect prefect, responsible and hard-working and everything that anyone could possibly want from her! and she's good at it too. everyone sees her exactly as she wants them too..... not unlike our good friend tom marvolo riddle when he was at hogwarts...........

i think one of the central parts of their relationship is the concept of immortality. they’re both kind of made up of the same sort of thing. they’re the same at their cores. both of them showed up at hogwarts as muggleborns thrust into a completely new world and they’re both so determined to succeed and be more than what they came from and to have absolutely everything, to have their cake and eat it too!!!!! for lily, this comes in the form of being revered, putting herself on a pedestal, she’s going to Leave Her Mark and be remembered and she doesn’t care what she has to do to get there (btw i really recommend this fic about sociopath lily, it’s so so interesting and i think nearly entirely encapsulates my vision of her……). the idea that if she can’t be immortalised in her deeds while she’s alive, she’s going to become immortal in her death, martyring herself. she’s a saint, she’s a puppet master, she’s as close to a god as a girl can get.

without. of course. resorting to actual immortality. which is the path tommy boy chooses. obviously. i think there are such parallels here. he’s a presumed-muggleborn, in slytherin, the house of the ambitious and the pureblood supremacists, he’s got the biggest god complex known to man and he grew up in an orphanage in london in the middle of the blitz!!!! all factors that contribute to his fear of death and his desperation to be More Than That. more than just another orphan killed by a bomb. more than just another nameless muggleborn lost in the pureblood-centric society. more than anything that anyone has ever seen before. he’s going to make a name for himself, and he’s going to make sure that nobody ever forgets it, and he’s going to be immortal. he’s going to be more god than man (even if it makes him a monster).

anyway. taking them together, as you can see, they’re cut from the same cloth (although side note!! i think lily’s lack of fear of death gives her the potential to be even more dangerous than tom is….) and bc of this, they’re the only ones who can see under each other’s carefully curated masks (although!! another side note… i think they each have another person who can - dumbledore for tom, and petunia for lily, but that’s not entirely relevant rn).

they understand each other and they want to cut each other open and burrow their way into each other’s rib cages. they kill people together - lily is much more messy w it, all blood under her nails and on her teeth. tom prefers the cleanliness of an avada kedavra but the blood gets all over his clothes anyway from when he touches lily. also cannibalism and intricate blood rituals that bind them together forever and intertwining themselves so thoroughly that nothing could ever separate them (although! another side note! jen and i don’t think they’re at all interested in sex. the other things they do (murder etc) are far more intimate and romantic and exciting to them!!!!).

and in the end, they’ll kill each other, pull each other apart and devour each other entirely. the only person who could possibly kill tom is lily, and vice versa, they’re the only ones that would have the right to, or the power to, or deserve to etc etc. at the end it’s always them, a ticking time-bomb. them and a knife or a gun or a curse or a fire and their teeth sinking into each other and their blood flowing through each other’s veins and over each other's dying bodies. bc tom is the only one that Sees lily and lily is the only one that Sees tom, and they recognise themselves in each other and it’s soul-deep and dangerous and nasty and hungry and knowing and self-destructive and so so so sooooo interesting to me

consider: two people w the most Pristine public reputations. they’re politicians or something w bright white smiles and absolutely No skeletons in the closet. it’s a Win for non-purebloods worldwide to see them succeeding, they’re exemplary students and people and Public Figures. EXCEPT!!!! as it turns out!!!! they’re fucking serial killers!!!!! i imagine them falling asleep in each other’s arms covered in blood from their latest victim, having their morning shower together, washing the blood out of each other’s hair and then going into the office….. they get caught. eventually. obviously. and it’s probs lily’s fault lol. but GOD guysss just imagine the scandal. the headlines. the shock and intrigue and horror at these two Perfect People having done such horrific things. they go on the run and/or commit a little bit of murder-suicide before they get caught btw. like i said nobody kills them but each other…. anyway enough from me!!!! thank you for letting me ramble <333

[quillkiller]

Tomlily for the ship thing

(Send me a ship and I'll give you my honest opinion on them)

well kara answered that perfectly for both us right here <3 (and we’re currently maybe writing a little something together)

their parallells always fascinate me, even in canon, but i do not ship them in canon. like, tomlily to me isn’t always about shipping them, but more exploring their canonical similarites that we make out from the original source…… does that make sense…

however when i do ship them it’s because they’re both freaky asexual sociopaths desperate to leave a mark on the world. lily isn’t scared of death, but she has carefully crafted this perfectly intact exterior and plans to martyrize herself in any which way she can. she’s going to be remembered. top of the class, the good friend, the perfect employee, donates money, strategic ’selfless’ acts, climbing the ladder, making a name for herself, etc. manipulative and cruel underneath her kind smile and inviting eyes

tom is terrified of death and doesn’t plan on dying. he wants to leave his mark on the world while alive, and he never wants to die. he’s constantly running from it and leaving a bloody trail behind him. he’s powerful, deceitful, greedy, violent, climbing the ladders, also making a name for himself in the same way where he’s top of the class and a teachers pet and carefully creating his own carefully constructed exterior. they’re both wolves in sheeps clothing !!

and they sort of just team up. they always sort of recognize each other in some way. they’re able to make out the rot that lies underneath. that specific ’wrongness’ they’re both trying to hide. they both notice it immediately. cat and mouse game, getting closer, sharing goals, sociopathic murderous duo. tom becomes less afraid of death because when he dies it’ll be because lily kills him. lily becomes more afraid of death because her whole life has been so lonely / only planning for the mark she’ll leave after she’s gone. now she suddenly has a partner, someone who’s just as wrong as she is, and she becomes reluctant of letting that go. less accepting of there being an end

also they cannibalize each other :/ sex disgusts them deeply, but yeah they partake of each others flesh in other ways… 🤍

[octoir]

I’ve read several very strong arguments for lily/tom riddle too! namely—

-Tom riddle most likely experienced discrimination at Hogwarts due to his last name

-Lily also most likely experienced severe discrimination at Hogwarts due to her last name

-We never see muggleborns in any influential positions of power (none in MoM, none as Unspeakables, none in masteries, none at Hogwarts teaching positions…) at best, we usually get halfbloods, which is very telling of the systemic discrimination that exists against MB.

And obviously, both are brilliant. (blood wards, horcruxes, etc)

So, we have two brilliant, discriminated against , assumed muggleborns, who are (or at least pretend to be) genial and polite to the public, even when there is every reason for them to not be.

Given, I think Lily is a hell of a lot more moral than Tom, and I actually think they would end up resenting the hell out of each other, but hey! they have something to talk about!

ship question because I think you’re doing that, thoughts on Lily/Voldemort 🤔

thank you so much for the ask, pal!

i'm currently trying to make a lilymort fic happen simply because i delight in chuckling malevolently while writing, and it's tremendous fun.

not - obviously! - because i think it's particularly canonically plausible as a pairing, but because it allows me to indulge in two things i love about lily and voldemort's respective canon characterisation: that she's outrageously bolshy and that he's got an oedipus complex.

i think it's very, very striking that - while he does do this in the films - in the books voldemort never uses lily's name. when speaking about her to harry he only ever refers to her as "his/your mother", but - even more interestingly - in his internal monologue during the scene in deathly hallows in which we see him replay his trip to the potters' house the night he murders them, he also only refers to lily as "the mother" or "the woman", whereas he refers to james as... james.

his fury at lily's refusal to stand aside - her refusal to do [as he sees it] what his own mother did and abandon her child - is just pure projection of his eye-waveringly deep-seated mammy issues, and i really like the idea of that being taken to a slightly less murderous [but no less unsettling] conclusion.

especially because lily "i'd rather date the squid" potter would be having none of it. a woman who's got the gumption to tell voldemort to get fucked when he's seconds away from murdering her and her child isn't going to hesitate to tell him to get a grip when he's trying to persuade her into "i've come to collect you from the orphanage" role-play.

and, since we know canonically that voldemort does have a weakness for bossy [and/or deranged] women with great hair, i think it's going the distance...

[therealvinelle]

Hi I love your meta, especially the one about Aro's brain and Aro/Carlisle! What do you think is Carlisle’s draw to Aro?

Glad you like it! And that’s a great question.

(This is the post anon is referring to.)

Alright, so we can all in this fandom agree that Aro is a fan of Carlisle’s, to the point where we just take it for granted. Aro loves Carlisle because he loves Carlisle. (Insert joke here)

However, I haven’t seen any posts addressing why Aro likes Carlisle so much in the first place, so here’s my attempt to explain.

Before I start listing my reasons, though, I should clarify one thing - I do not see Aro as a heterosexual man, nor as someone who sees his marriage to Sulpicia as a monogamous thing. I mean, you have a beautiful man from Mycenaean Greece form a close friendship with another beautiful man, commission artists to immortalize his beautiful friend, they live together for decades- I’m getting ahead of myself. Point is, I think Aro is gay.

(And yes, I know that everyone on this site already knows that, but I am orderly. Also, I’ve seen people post “Aro has a crush on Carlisle” like that’s a hot take)

So, Carlisle. What about him makes Aro think he’s so great?

Carlisle is hot even by vampire standards Frozen in his best age, tall, muscular, exotic eye color and with a hair color that has been considered desirable among many civilizations, the Ancient Greeks among them, Carlisle’s features would be considered ideal to a lot of people. More, he is so ridiculously beautiful that when Bella is awed by his beauty when she wakes up a vampire. The only other vampire to get that kind of reaction is Edward. Not even Rosalie, nor any of the Volturi or the guests who come in BD, get fawned over the way Bella fawns over Carlisle. So, Mr. Hottie walks into Volterra, and I think that even if he’d been a himbo who couldn’t read Aro would still have tapped that. He wouldn’t have been invited to stay for several decades, though.

Carlisle is smart Aro is a scholar who lives for knowledge, but finding someone who shares his interests is easier said than done. And even if he does find someone who likes arts and academics, they could still be an idiot. True intelligence is hard to come by. And then if he does find someone intelligent, what if they’re an ass? What if they’re boring? Carlisle is a very intelligent man, ridiculously charming, and loves the academics so much that his first thought after deciding not to kill himself was “I’m going to study all the things!” Just, Carlisle, you absolute nerd. Aro must have squealed when he saw that brain.

Carlisle is a saint 99.9% of vampires drink human blood, rat blood drinker George is an outlier and should not have been counted. Seriously, though, when Carlisle woke up as a demon, he would have thought his soul to be forsaken already. He had nothing to lose by giving in and quenching his thirst, and yet he defied his newborn instinct to feed and tried to kill himself so he wouldn’t hurt anybody. There’s being a good person, and then there’s being the kind of person who’ll destroy themselves before they hurt others. I’m not going to get into all the ways in which Carlisle is a saint, that’s a post of its own. What I’m getting at is that being beautiful is great, Aro’s tapping that. Being a nerd is also great, now Aro has a BFF. But Carlisle’s more than that. He’s a good person, the kind of good that’s daunting. And Aro can see his mind, see his every virtue and his incorruptibility. I think Carlisle rocked his world. I mean, he’s so impressed that the poor guard has been listening to him go on about how amazing Carlisle is nonstop for the past three hundred years. Jane thought he was exaggerating. Just... Carlisle’s wit and beauty was already great, but the whole saint thing appears to be what made Aro become the hardcore fanboy we meet in canon. (I also think the whole “Stregoni Benefici” thing was at Aro’s behest or at the very least with his hearty approval. It happened in Italy, and on his own Carlisle is actually pretty damn good at keeping the secret. I strongly doubt something like inspiring his own myth could have happened without Aro’s involvement and consent. Caius, of course, cried)

The Didyme Factor This one is really a post of its own, because boy do I have thoughts on Didyme. What I’ll say is this, from what we hear about Didyme she is reminiscent of Carlisle. An absolutely wonderful person, loved by all, her gift was to make everybody happy, she was so precious to Aro that he came back for her. And he ended up killing her. And since I don’t subscribe to Ever So Evil Aro, I think this was an Agamemnon and Ifigenia kind of situation where he sacrificed the thing he loved most for power, and now he has power but no sister. The Didyme Factor isn’t so much one of the things that draws Aro to Carlisle, so much as it is something hanging over Aro and affecting his relationships.

So, these are my five cents on why Carlisle rocked Aro’s world.

[thecarnivorousmuffinmeta]

WAAAAAAAAAIT, LILY AND THE ART OF BEING SISYPHUS IS NOT ABOUT LILY EVANS??????????????????????????????????????????????????? OH MY GOD this whole TIME when you were like oh shes a smart enough witch to make a whole ass spell to save harry im like OHhhh so thats why shes the main char of ur story and u ship tomlily so true so true buT WHAT... OMG... I fr was as fooled as that anon

Anon is referring to Lily and the Art of Being Sisyphus, in which Lily Evans only gets one line.

I am apparently very tricksy.

And now I'm curious too, you anons are going to have to tell me what the hell you think that story is even about from the vague tumblr hints.

[sugarsnappeases]

tomlily

bc we've been talking about them.... handpicked from @quillkiller and i's shared pinterest board <3

[quillkiller]

The reason we hate on regulily sm and not other ships is because atp people ship anything so who cares right but regulily is oppressor x oppresed. How are you going to ship a blood purist with the good girl in hp that hated blood purists. You making regulus be lily’s “short bf dyke whatever” is plain weird

listen you’re allowed to hate regulily !!! you’re not seeing me throwing a childish tantrum about it 😭😭but like. these characters are fictional… they do not exist. and like why are you, a regulily hater, on my blog enough to know the characterizations ive given them ?? like what are you genuinely even getting out of that when you could be having fun !!! in fandoms !!! and surround yourself with people who like what you like !! like fandom is supposed to be !!!! how does a whole ass stranger on tumblr.com/dashboard having fun shipping something bother you this much 😭

[quillkiller]

are we trying to positively frame terfs in our hcs now?

hate to be the bearer of bad (?) news but 1. radfem quite genuinely does not actually mean being a terf and this is just a hard fact about what the term actually means. radfems are trans inclusive and if they’re not, they’re terfs (like, ’terf’ is literally a term made up to separate radfems and terfs. because terfs are trans exclusionary radfems) and 2. my hc’s are never about ’positively’ framing anything, im just simply exploring characterizations no matter if they’re vile or positive ones

sometimes media and stories and characterizations are uncomfortable ones ! sorry!

[quillkiller]

regulus sucking monty off under the dinner table

*buzzkill feminist voice* monty sucking regulus off under the dinner table

[quillkiller]

how would tomlily work out in the long run…

they kill each other in every universe!! for whatever various reason, but most often as a decision they make together because they have no other choice :/ in every universe they live fast and die young .. 🤍

[quillkiller]

Tomreg?

honestly i dont really go there but my eyes Have wandered…….. does anyone have fic recs mayhaps…

[quillkiller]

Shipping an oppressed regulily ship is not hot!

wait until you hear about the tomlily fic me and kara are writing

[quillkiller]

sick and tired of pretending i dont ship tomlily

[quillkiller]

Idgaffff ab Tomlily regulily is gross asf !

yeah they are 😩🤤

[quillkiller]

Oh you don’t like regulus? Sorry!

NO I I DO!!!! I LOVE HIM !!!! <3

and i do love talking about him, i do, it’s just that lately i’ve been getting real freaky asks about my hc’s about him, kara got hate ABOUT me for what i say about him, and i got a ??? death threat ?? so i guess ive just gotten a bit overwhelmed with how people only seem to want to talk to me about reg (<- and i think it annoyed me that i said yay tomlily! and immediately it ended up being about reg. which im SURE wasn’t your intention and i genuinely would love to get into tomreg)/ and the negative effects it ends up having sometimes

but rest assured i love that freak and i love to talk about him and will keep talking about him, and this message is very sweet and im sorry for taking out my frustration in the tags of your other ask !!

[quillkiller]

yall: i can excuse incestposting and tomlily shipping but i draw the line at someone thinking reg is short

Short regulus is by far the worst thing Jen has said

and you are by far the worst thing your mum has created…. why would you bring this here??? to the blog that without exception agrees w everything that jen ever says???