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🎫 Robert Smith from The Cure tweeted about ticket prices and Ticketmaster's extra fees. He also tweeted about the verified fan process. 14/15 March 2023 x
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#it facinates me how they have gotten away with it for so long#artists can say no#real bloodsuckers#Ticketmaster#live nation#$20 tickets is so so cheap#ticket prices#ticket fees#the cure#Robert smith#Louis Tomlinson#15 March 2023#14 March 2023#mine
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Live Nation/Ticketmaster is buying Congress
I'm touring my new, nationally bestselling novel The Bezzle! Catch me THURSDAY (May 2) in WINNIPEG, then Calgary (May 3), Vancouver (May 4), Tartu, Estonia, and beyond!
Anything that can't go on forever eventually stops. Monopolies are intrinsically destabilizing and inevitably implode…eventually. Guessing which of the loathesome monopolies that make us all miserable will be the first domino is a hard call, but Ticketmaster is definitely high on my list.
It's not that event tickets are the most consequential aspect of our lives. The monopolies over pharma, fuel, finance, tech, and even beer are all more important to our day-to-day. But while Ticketmaster – and its many ramified tentacles, like Live Nation – may not be the most destructive monopoly in our world, but it pisses off people with giant megaphones and armies of rabid fans.
It's been a minute since Ticketmaster was last in the news, so let's recap. Ticketmaster bought out most of its ticketing rivals, then merged with Live Nation, the country's largest concert promoter, and bought out many of the country's largest music, stage and sports venues. They used this iron grip on the entire supply chain for performances and events to pile innumerable junk fees on every ticket sold, while drastically eroding the wages of the creative workers they nominally represented. They created a secret secondary market for tickets and worked with ticket-touts to help them run bots that bought every ticket within an instant of the opening of ticket sales, then ran an auction marketplace that made them gigantic fees on every re-sold ticket – fees the performers were not entitled to share in.
The Ticketmaster/Live Nation/venue octopus is nearly impossible to escape. Independent venues can't book Live Nation acts unless they use Ticketmaster for their tickets. Acts can't get into the large venues owned by Ticketmaster unless they sign up to have Live Nation book their tour. And when Ticketmaster buys a venue, it creams off the most successful acts, starving competing venues of blockbuster shows. They also illegally colluded with their vendors to jack up the price of concerts across the board:
https://pascrell.house.gov/uploadedfiles/ful.pdf
When Rebecca Giblin and I were writing Chokepoint Capitalism, our book about how tech and entertainment monopolies impoverish all kinds of creative workers, we were able to get insiders to go on record about every kind of monopoly, from the labels to Spotify, Kindle to the Big Five publishers and the Google-Meta ad-tech duopoly. The only exception was Ticketmaster/Live Nation: everyone involved in live performance – performers, bookers, club owners – was palpably terrified about speaking out on the record about the conglomerate:
https://chokepointcapitalism.com/
No wonder. The company has a long and notorious history of using its market power to ruin anyone who challenges it. Remember Pearl Jam?
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/pearl-jam-taking-on-ticketmaster-67440/
But anything that can't go on forever eventually stops. Not only is Ticketmaster a rapacious, vindictive monopolist – it's also an incompetent monopolist, whose IT systems are optimized for rent-extraction first, with ticket sales as a distant afterthought. This is bad no matter which artist it effects, but when Ticketmaster totally, utterly fucked up Taylor Swift's first post-lockdown tour, they incurred the wrath of the Swifties:
https://www.vox.com/culture/2022/11/21/23471763/taylor-swift-ticketmaster-monopoly
All of which explains why I've always given good odds that Ticketmaster would be first up against the wall come the antitrust revolution. It may not be the most destructive monopolist, but it is absurdly evil, and the people who hate it most are the most famous and beloved artists in the country.
For a while, it looked like I was right. Ticketmaster's colossal Taylor Swift fuckup prompted Senator Amy Klobuchar – a leading antitrust crusader – to hold hearings on the company's conduct, and led to the introduction of a raft of bills to rein in predatory ticketing practices. But as David Dayen writes for The American Prospect, Ticketmaster/Live Nation is spreading a fortune around on the Hill, hiring a deep bench of ex-Congressmen and ex-senior staffers (including Klobuchar's former chief of staff) and they've found a way to create the appearance of justice without having to suffer any consequences for their decades-long campaign of fraud and abuse:
https://prospect.org/power/2024-04-30-live-nation-strikes-up-band-washington/
Dayen opens his article with the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, which is always bracketed by a week's worth of lavish parties for Congress and hill staffers. One of the fanciest of these parties was thrown by Axios – and sponsored by Live Nation, with a performance by Jelly Roll (whose touring contract is owned by Live Nation). Attendees at the Axios/Live Nation event were bombarded with messages about the essential goodness of Live Nation (they were even printed on the cocktail napkins) and exhortations to support the Fans First Act, co-sponsored by Klobuchar and Sen John Cornyn (R-TX):
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/08/arts/music/fans-first-act-ticket-bill.html
Ticketmaster/Live Nation loves the Fans First Act, because – unlike other bills – it focuses primarily on the secondary market for tickets, and its main measure is a requirement for ticketing companies to disclose their junk fees upfront. Neither of these represents a major challenge to Ticketmaster/Live Nation's control over the market, which gives it the ability to slash performers' wages while jacking up prices for fans.
Fans First represents the triumph of Ticketmaster/Live Nation's media strategy, which is to blame the entire problem on bottom-feeding ticket-touts (who are mostly scum!) instead of on the single monopoly that controls the entire industry and can't stop committing financial crimes.
Axios isn't Live Nation's only partner in selling this distraction tactic. Over the past five years, the company has flushed gigantic sums of money through Washington. Its lobbying spend rose from $240k in 2018 to $1.1m in 2022, and $2.38m in 2023:
https://thehill.com/business/4431886-live-nation-doubled-lobbying-spending-to-2-4m-in-2023-amid-antitrust-threat/
The company has 37 paid lobbyists selling Congress on its behalf. 25 of them are former congressional staffers. Two are former Congressmen: Ed Whitfield (R-KY), a 21 year veteran of the House, and Mark Pryor (D-AR), a two-term senator:
https://www.bhfs.com/people/attorneys/p-s/mark-pryor
But perhaps the most galling celebrant in this lavish hymn to Citizen United is Jonathan Becker, Amy Klobuchar's former chief of staff, who jumped ship to lobby Congress on behalf of monopolists like Live Nation, who paid him $120k last year to sell their story to the Hill:
https://www.opensecrets.org/federal-lobbying/clients/lobbyists?cycle=2023&id=D000053134
Not everyone hates Fans First: it's been endorsed by the Nix the Tix coalition, largely on the strength of its regulation of secondary ticket sales. But the largest secondary seller in America by far is Live Nation itself, with a $4.5b market in reselling the tickets it sold in the first place. Fans First shifts focus from this sleazy self-dealing to competitors like Stubhub.
Fans First can be seen as an opening salvo in the long war against Ticketmaster/Live Nation. But compared to more muscular bills – like Klobuchar's stalled-out Unlock Ticketing Markets Act, it's pretty weaksauce. The Unlocking act will "prevent exclusive contracts between ticketing services and venues" – hitting Ticketmaster/Live Nation where it hurts, right in the bank-account:
https://www.klobuchar.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2023/4/following-senate-judiciary-committee-hearing-klobuchar-blumenthal-introduce-legislation-to-increase-competition-in-live-event-ticketing-markets
It's not all gloom. Dayen reports that Ticketmaster's active lobbying in favor of Fans First has made many in Congress more skeptical of the bill, not less. And Congress isn't the only – or even the best – way to smash Ticketmaster's criminal empire. That's something the DoJ's antitrust division could power through with a lot less exposure to the legalized bribery that dominates Congress.
If you'd like an essay-formatted version of this post to read or share, here's a link to it on pluralistic.net, my surveillance-free, ad-free, tracker-free blog:
https://pluralistic.net/2024/04/30/nix-fix-the-tix/#something-must-be-done-there-we-did-something
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we need a luigi for the ticketmaster ceo
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Absolutely buck wild to see scalpers trying to resell D20 Live tickets for more than T Swift tour prices and then turn to see ttrpg twitter celebrating it as some kind of “win” proving the industry is thriving.
#pretending concert scalping and event fees aren’t a major industry issue just to hype your faves!#very normal#also you KNOW this crowd wouldn’t be happy if it was the other big actual play show#but we’re not allowed to notice or say that apparently#locked cause I’m just being salty#please dont buy D20 Live tickets from a scalper for $2500#the price will probably come down and it doesn’t help ANYONE but the assholes who use bots to mass buy tickets#luck’s personal opinions
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I think ticketmaster should get shut down forever and the ceo should get shot into the sun . Amen
#i'm never more stressed than when trying to buy tickets off of that evil webbed site#and their fees are absolutely awful#misc#jaime posts#.txt
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Hey I gotta have some Londoncentric uk folks following me, right? Can anyone tell me what the best/biggest art supply shop in (relatively central) London is? Going there for another ill adviced concert trip and I desperately need to find a place that can sell me those new hot brush tip paint markers because nowhere in Norway is importing them.
(Here are the last drawings I did at work last night as compensation for text post)
#it's so expensive buying foreign shit off the internet now it sucks ass#so many import fees#cumulative import fees on two t-shirts genuinely equals one plane ticket to London#which is admittedly one of the cheapest places to fly from Oslo#but still
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well gang i am Seeing these rumored mcr ticket prices and i am sure as hell hoping there isn't truth to them because alleged $300 pit tix before ticketmaster fees/dynamic pricing etc bs is very much not it
if anyone hears/sees anything new please do let me know. price gouging (& anyone who enables it) making high demand tours straight up inaccessible for the average fan will always be a mortal enemy of wavernot4love methinks
#only other time i've ever seen that was for the recent blink tour#i saw that#closed out of the queue#and that was the end of that#so safe 2 say i sure hope mcr ain't extorting us like that#i paid $300 total after fees for my RESALE swarm toronto ticket and thought i was getting ripped off for how much i spent#which i was#please god let that not be face value here#because if so there go my hopes and dreams of doing two shows#hell i don't even know if i'd want to do one#anyway i am Hoping for the best here#i wish bands just released this info officially ahead of time especially for big in demand tours like this#my chemical romance#mcr
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What if I just report my adventure here lol
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#tour de dessert#listen a 24h bus ticket costs less than convention entry fee and i will get about as much fun from this without having to deal with crowds
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anyway i got pit tickets >:)
#do NOT want to talk about the service fee#rationalized it since I didnt get any pit tickets in 2022 plus I could always resell if i change my mind#my posts
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mcr tickets SECURED hatred for ticketmaster INTACT
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Does anyone know who I have to kill to get this shipped internationally
Here’s the link to the og tweet and form
#dynamic pricing DIE this is the real ticket master war. me vs. international shipping fees#oasis#repost#talk tag
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this person is so right! it’s so insane how people just accept the pricing of these concert tickets which just allow companies to go higher with prices every year not only we should boycott, because we are boycotting hybe, but i feel like we should have boycotted a long time ago because these prices are getting absurdly expensive
#i saw from someone that ga tickets were 600$#but there’s a tax fee and so that’s we get 800$ tickets isn’t that great 🤩#so yeah do with this what you will#tris.txt
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THIS IS THE ONLY THING I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT FOR THE NEXT FEW MONTHS. I FINALLY GET TO SEE MY FAVORITE ARTIST AFTER TRYING SEVEN DIFFERENT TIMES. AHHHHHHHH
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ugggghhhh I’m gonna not go to the concert tonight because of confirmed covid exposure from the weekend
#my ramblings#pounding my fists on the floor#and I sprung for the fancy seated tickets insteaf of being on the floor#plus all the STUPID FEES it was like 70 bucks I’m super upset I need to go into the tantrum hole#if only I could at least pass it to someone else 😭😭😭
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this is sick and fucking twisted. you cant post that while im contemplating whether to spend forty fucking dollars on idkhow tickets for november. what if i accidentally spent money.
#the real killer is the fees. the ticket itself is 30$ but its like 10$ in fees for some damn reason.#living in utah has granted me one win and its that mx weekes likes to skulk around here
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me: oh maybe I'll go to a concert tonight and buy through Ticketmaster finally
me: OVER $25 IN FEES?????
#uh. That's Fucking Bonkers. oh my god#also what do you mean there is both a service fee and an order processing fee#isn't processing the order part of. Fucking. the service??#it's almost the same price as the fucking ticket itself#note to self never buy anything through Ticketmaster unless necessary holy shit#no wonder arenas have to keep cancelling shows because of a lack of attendance this is ridiculous
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