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#GONNA BE HONEST.#not a lot of thought put into this one I just like this song & the album cover inspired me#& I’ve been thinking about future Kevin . Again. makes a face.#ALSO I KNOOOWWW the perspectives & angles r fucked ok I did this in Aggie freehanded leave me alone .#kevin levin#kevin 11#ben 10#uaf#ben 10 classic#< I guess .?#Kevin 11k#I’ve found myself tagging stuff UAF in the same vein as tagging things as Trigun 1998 or trimax instead of tristamp#looks pointedly at OV#b10#ben10#future kevin#Ben 10k#bright colours#bright colors tw#tw bright colors#Just do me a favor don’t look at his leg.#I JUST REALIZED I FORGOT HIS. PADLOCK. AUUUUUUU#Ok i Like. I dunno how 2 articulate this but it’s like#like there is something there with him going off the deep end again and getting sent back 2 th null void and it sucks but like.#there’s also something there with like. getting trapped there again#like rheres like. I dont know this could go both ways cos theres something to trying and trying but you still end up back where you started#WHETHER HE GETS SENT BACK 2 THE NULLVOID OR ITS AN ACCIDENT ITS HAUNTING ME !#looking miserably into the distance. I wish we had more future kev in canon. I hate you Ben 10 Omniverse.
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no yeah i really love how every core 4 member got a real happy ending....except for ej
nini is happily pursuing music in la with her moms' full support
ricky is dating gina, a girl he calls "home". he's finally becoming more at peace with love and how to show it. he's learned how to not run from his problems. his parents are getting back together (???) and his drama teacher wrote such a good letter of recommendation that he was accepted into a community college
gina becomes a literal movie star and was able to change the filming location of her second movie, without any consequences, to salt lake so she can physically be with ricky, the boy she finally got to date after crushing on him since the day they met. she has a permanent home to call her own now. her mom finally showed up to an opening night and she was finally able to portray gabriella
and then ej...is alone (in a wildcat sense) at college, financially cut off from his family, working multiple jobs to afford it. he spends most of his season 4 screentime guiding and helping others (ricky, gina, miss jenn, madlyn) instead of an actual storyline and a lot of his lines were about how he's made mistakes and has to live with them
#um...ignore how nini has a singular sentence#but anyway#ej says that he's happy but compared to every other important character nothing happy happens to him#obviously you can be at peace with/like a less than perfect situation#but that doesn't make the situation good or that you don't deserve more than that#he's literally cousins with ashlyn#he has a connection to a main character and yet we hear nothing about how he's doing until admissions#hell his first mention in the season is terri talking bad about him to gina#and before someone says 'well he graduated already and this is about the students of east high so-'#lily was at east high for all of five minutes and she got plotlines INCLUDING dating one of the main characters#dewey freakin wood got an appearance in s4 when we're no longer at the camp...#jenn mike lynne and ben all have extensive storylines and they're adults#(and mike and lynne don't even work at east high like jennzzara! they're just ricky's parents !)#channing (someone who really didn't need to be such a big character) had a whole storyline in s3#even jarred had a storyline in s4 !!! AND HE WAS A STALKER !!!#can you tell i'm pissed#probably missed some things i'm going off of memory and rage#and it just seems like a poor writing choice to do nothing with ej until ep 5 when he was still dealing with his dad when s3 ended#<- something that could've been made into a storyline !! instead of just throwing it at us that ej was cut off#hsmtmts#high school musical the musical the series#ej caswell#nini salazar roberts#ricky bowen#gina porter#okay i regularly call them the core 4 so i think i've tricked myself into thinking other ppl do too...#tags are not as neat as i want them to be the thoughts just kinda spilled out but hopefully this all makes sense
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HOW ABOUT.... 77 >:3
oh shepherd. ohhh shepherd. 77 is shark week and its really a shame that shark week is so low considering that everything everything was my top artist of 2023, narrowly beating glass animals and usurping their 5 year streak. so um this is about ben and tom to me smiles
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It’s a busy night.
That bodes well for Tom, who makes his way through the halls of the lab, following stripes of color through the bright white light. He makes his way through groups of testificates, blocking out questions and chatter, putting his mind away from whatever they could be working on. He wasn’t focused on that, tonight. He wouldn’t be asked about his trip. Not that he would be in the first place—that’s what he got for being good at his job. Nobody asked questions. Well. Xephos asked questions. But his questions were always to the point, and they were always a wrap around to the answer he was expecting, so as long as Tom was on his toes, he could answer them without saying anything at all.
Nevertheless of all of that, he slips his way through the halls of the lab, and through a few access doors, and to a room, where he stands for a moment, fishing for his keycard. When he swipes, the door slides open, letting in a bar of light. He steps in quickly, light disappearing for a short moment, until the lamp beside the bed clicks on.
In white-yellow light, Ben looks awful.
It’s not that he normally looks good, either, which is unfortunate, but he looks exhausted. The lines of his face grow darker in the low light, especially as he blinks awake, scrubbing at his eyes. Tom feels a sharp pang through his chest as he realizes he’s woken him, but the relief etched across Ben’s face as he locks eyes with him diffuses the guilt almost instantly.
“Hi, Ben,” Tom says, a smile worming onto his face.
“Tom,” Ben sighs, leaning back on his hands. His shoulders seem to relax almost immediately as he settles, as Tom steps more into the room. He sets his coat and clipboard on the nightstand, ruffling through the pockets as he does. He holds out a bundle of napkins for Ben. Ben cups his hands, holding the bundle for a moment before Tom gestures for him to open it.
“What is it?” Ben asks, tilting his head. The corners of his mouth lift up just so as he looks up at Tom. Tom’s still grinning, eyes squinted behind his glasses. He gestures again.
“It's for you,” Tom says. Ben snorts, rolling his eyes as he unfurls the napkins in his palm. Inside, Tom’s saved bread and cheese, crushed together from being shoved into his coat pocket, but largely still edible, and no small portion either. Ben’s face lights up, eyes flicking from the food in his hands and Tom’s face.
“You’re serious?” Ben asks. Tom nods, folding his arms as he comes to sit on the end of the bed, giving Ben enough space to stretch out his legs. Ben tears into the bread, almost famished, sighing as he chews. He smiles at Tom through his food, as if he’s holding back a laugh, and that alone sets a warm thing turning in Tom’s chest.
“Thank you,” Ben hums, swallowing with some difficulty. He reaches for the glass of water at the bedside, taking a small sip. Tom kicks himself—next time. Next time, tomorrow, or the day after, or two days from now, he’ll bring a whole canteen of water. He’ll sneak him away. He’ll make sure he actually gets clean, that he gets rest, a warm meal. Anything he can sneak to him. Anything that the testificates, that Xephos won’t miss.
Until then, Ben eats, savoring the food like he’ll never get a chance to eat again. Even in the white light, his face regains a bit more color, warm in the high of his cheeks. Tom laughs a bit under his breath, the motion shaking his shoulders.
“Of course, Ben,” he says, furrowing his eyebrows. “What else am I good for?”
Ben laughs, a solid sound from his chest, and Tom laughs with him. He’s not sure when he decides it, but he knows now, more than ever, that he’s leaving. And he won’t be leaving without Ben beside him.
(spotify wrapped ask meme)
#i......................dont know what happened to me#this song is very breaking out to me#so.......#shepherd i dont know what happened to me. i dont know!! i shrimply thought about them too hard. i hope its canon (to you)#for everyone else. there is no canon ben and tom. we simply make that shit up#text#fics#asks#spotify wrapped ask meme#ooooh you guys wanna send another one sooo bad
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I’m finally allowing myself to emotionally invest in Coach Ben. This man is not only surviving in the wilderness he is thriving in it.
Personally, I think he deserves to dabble in some arson. Just as a little treat.
#what else are you meant to do when you’re the only non-cannibal left#and everyone else is swearing fealty to the one girl you thought you could save?#burn it all down baby#cleanse the haunted house full of your personal failings as a teacher and adult#with purifying fire and smoke#but seriously Ben went off in the finale and I think it’s wonderful#this is the last post I’m making about Yellowjackets#then I’ll shift into Succession mode#yellowjackets spoilers#yellowjackets#yellowjackets 2x09#coach Ben#coach ben scott#ben scott
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Wham, Glam, Thank You Mam…
Kerrang 910, June 29 2002
The unmasked Joey Jordison’s Murderdolls are not Slipknot Mark II. Can you imagine the Clown wearing make-up and stack-heels?...
Oh Kerrang, we absolutely can... but that's not the point here
Words: Joshua Sindell Photos: P R Brown, Lisa Johnson
(drive link)
In a dimly lit room at the Sunset Marquis hotel, five heavily mascara’d men in black leather, each with immaculately back-combed hair, pose and purse their lips for a photographer’s lens. Only a single white curtain against the window protects their pale skin from the outside sun’s piercing rays. Last night’s expedition to famed strip club Crazy Girls has left some of them feeling bleary and achy, but, as the band Junkyard once sang so sagely, ‘That’s life in Hollywood’. Yes, this is LA, the home of all things tawdry and torrid, where giants in spandex so famously used to stride down the Strip. But this is not 1986. These events are happening in June of 2002. And one of these pouting prima donnas happens to be a member of Slipknot.
Murderdolls are the new baby of Joey Jordison – Slipknot’s diminutive drummer – but in stark contrast to his unrelentingly intense day job, their music is a trashy pastiche of glam-rock, New York punk circa 1977, schlock-horror, and heavy metal. Jordison has swapped his mask for make-up and his sticks for a guitar, and has created a band that embody practically everything you don’t ever hear on the radio these days. Alongside him are Static-X guitarist Tripp Eisen, singer Wednesday 13 who previously fronted the Frankenstein Drag Queens From Planet 13 and two friends of Tripp from LA – bassist Erik Griffin and appropriately-named drummer Ben Graves.
Just one listen to the Murderdolls’ debut album will be enough to have a legion of Slipknot fans chomping on their home-made boiler suits in confusion. Cheesy songs about grave robbing? Tributes to ‘The Exorcist’’s possessed devil-doll Linda Blair? Zombies? Mad scientists? Ghouls? What the hell is going on?
Jordison, barely five-foot-five even in his new stack heels, allows himself a sly smile.
“This is so far removed from Slipknot that it’s actually the best thing about it,” he says. “When we play, it’s just so fucking funny. We’re very serious about not being serious.”
To change gears from the testosterone-filled, uncontrolled anger of ‘Iowa’ to the sexually charged grind of Murderdolls is certainly something of a role-reversal. Butt Tripp Eisen, who, like Jordison, is also on shore leave from his day job, finds the turn-around almost hilarious.
“It’s kind of like being bisexual,” he jokes. “You’re doing a guy for now, but you’re not giving up on the ‘girl’ thing.”
The seeds of this project were sown years ago, in the mind and garage of Joey Jordison, under the name The Rejects. This was long before Slipknot and nu-metal’s all-conquering domination of the rock scene. The Rejects would eventually morph into Murderdolls, and to Joey, this is no mere side-project.
“I just feel that there’s no point in doing anything that’s even remotely similar to Slipknot,” he reasons, seated at a small table inside the cool, dark hotel room. “For me, it’s a chance to play guitar, which I played long before I played drums.”
Murderdolls began to become more than just a figment of Joey’s imagination three years ago when Slipknot toured with New Yorkers Dope, who had Eisen in their line-up at the time. The two bonded over a mutual love of such bands as Manowar, The Ramones and The Plasmatics.
“I had spent my whole life being kind of a glam guy, but also digging the heavy, heavy music,” says Tripp, a soft-spoken man with dreadlocks that sprout from his head like drooping asparagus. “It’s rare to find someone who can relate to both, and that’s what drew me to Joey. He’s into Slayer and Twisted Sister with equal intensity, and there’s not many people like that.”
To Tripp, there’s not all that much difference between the two. Both metal and glam are escapist and theatrical in nature, and he points out that Mötley Crüe and Slayer both used pentagrams on their albums.
Together, during the off time from their respective bands, Joey and Tripp dug up some of Joey’s old Rejects songs and dusted them off. They discovered a voice in North Carolina native Wednesday 13, and he brought several of his own songs with him. Then, after the album was finished, the band’s line-up was completed by Griffin and Graves.
The record itself is an absolute blast. Roaring guitars, skull-rattling drums and sneering, screaming vocals, all set to fast-paced tunes of terror and turmoil. Imagine the Ramones, the Misfits and the Dead Boys wearing long-haired wigs and goofing on love, lust and comic books. Add to the mix a soupçon of Marilyn Manson, plus a few screaming metal electric guitar leads, and stir. What pours out ain’t pretty, but it will certainly raise some eyebrows.
Joey couldn’t be more excited at the prospect of his Slipknot fans lending Murderdolls an ear.
“Not to take anything away from Slipknot, because I love that band and I’m still very much in it. But playing the guitar is not the same as playing the drums. Wearing make-up and trashy clothes is not the same as wearing coveralls and a mask.”
But what is to become of that famed Slipknot ‘mystique’? Won’t it forever be ruined by the fact that Joey is the first of them to go mask-less? Joey downplays the importance of his decision, saying that the internet has basically removed whatever secrecy Slipknot had tried to maintain anyway.
“We meet and talk to the kids without our masks every day,” he points out. He also says that Slipknot’s singer Corey Taylor and guitarist Jim Root will soon be performing sans masks in their own side-project, Stone Sour.
“I’ve said this a million times before, but wearing the masks is what the music ‘made’ us do,” says Joey. “It was not to just hide our faces. After knowing what Kiss looked like without their make-up for so many years, when I went to see them on their reunion tour, I didn’t give a fuck if I knew what they looked like under their make-up. When I saw them in make-up, I said, ‘That’s fuckin’ Kiss’.”
Scheduling the Murderdolls sessions and upcoming tour was never an issue with Slipknot either. All of the nine members decided that their loving maggots could allow them a few months’ rest, and many of them are pursuing solo projects.
“It was a mutual decision,” says Joey, “It wasn’t like we all needed the time away from one another. I told them that I felt that this stuff was worthy of being put out on a record. I think that it’s worthy for people to see it live as well. I’ve been spinning upside-down on a drum riser for the past 10 months, and now I’m going to go jam with this other band for a while, and they were totally cool with that. They knew from the start, even before the first Slipknot record, that I was going to do this, so it was no surprise to them.”
As for the other members, this much is known. Tripp Eisen says he’s still very much a part of Static-X, who are just about ready to wrap up their touring scenario for 2002 and will immediately begin writing their third album. Singer Wednesday 13, recruited to replace Rejects singer Dizzy, is an aficionado of ‘80s glam acts like Pretty Boy Gloyd and Tuff, and claims, quite horrifically, to have the soundtrack albums to every one of Sylvester Stalone’s movies – including ‘Over The Top’ and ‘Rhinestone’. Wednesday, who speaks in a warm southern drawl, plays a big role in the band’s theme and sound. He explains the song ‘Dawn Of The Dead’.
“I’ve always loved that movie,” he says, “and I thought, ‘How great would it be to have a Quiet Riot, ‘Cum On Feel Tha Noize’-type chorus for a song like that?’.” The singer described the sound of Murderdolls as a “Frankenstein monster we stitched together.”
The two newest members are Ben and Erik, friends of Tripp’s from LA. They do not play on the record, and both were struggling musicians who felt left out by the onslaught of post-grunge blandness and down-tuned rap-rock. Secretly, they wished they’d get hired to play just this kind of balls-out rock that just didn’t seem to exist outside of their old CD collections. They were working in shops on trendy Melrose Avenue when Tripp gave them a call.
“Once we all agreed that Nikki Sixx was God, we knew they were the right guys,” observes Wednesday.
Joey is loath to describe the band’s sound as metal or punk, though clearly it has elements of both, as well as some of the more frenzied moments of Marilyn Manson’s catalogue. In particular, ‘Dead In Hollywood’ truly sounds as if the God Of Fuck was somewhere in the mix, lending a helping shout. As it turns out, Joey asked the man himself to contribute, but not on any of the songs that have turned up on the record.
“Marilyn’s a friend of mine and we’ve always helped each other out,” says Joey. “I played some guitar for him and hooked him up with a remix, which he just recently used on the ‘Resident Evil’ soundtrack. He said that he’s going to sing on one of our songs now.” Unfortunately, what with his own deadline looming shortly, Manson’s tracks – either ‘People Hate Me’ or ‘Nineteen Seventy 666’ – may have to wait until after the release of the new Manson disc.
If all this sleaze and disorderly conduct sounds a little backward thinking, it is no accident. Even Trip agrees that the ‘Dolls pay tribute to a bygone time.
“I feel that kids today don’t know about what we grew up on, and I think that we’re trying to bring the whole package to them. The Union Underground and Sinisstar are similar in the respect that they’re bringing trashy rock back, but we just feel like we can do it better.”
Wednesday speaks with an endearing confidence that borders on pride.
“Nobody’s done it to the extent that we will,” he brags. “There were bands like Buckcherry and Beautiful Creatures who were doing the whole Guns N’Roses rock thing, but nobody’s done it at the level that we’re going to.”
Without too much Slipknot business to attend to, aside from the upcoming Reading and Leeds appearances this summer, Joey is clearly basking in his new-found freedom. Returning from the bathroom after applying his make-up, he jokes that posing for photos in Slipknot is so much easier than this current Murderdolls shoot. “You just throw on a mask and make hand gestures!”
Joey says that he’s looking forward to sharing his band with the world, and playing guitar live.
“I think that we’re original, but we’re not trying to reinvent the wheel,” he muses. “I think that in Slipknot, we broke down a lot of doors. I’m very proud of that, and I’m very fulfilled there. This is just another way to keep the glass full.”
Murderdolls release their debut album, ‘Beneath (sic) The Valley Of The Murderdolls’, on August 19 via Roadrunner.
Doll Parts
Joey Jordison’s guide to his new bandmates…
Ben Graves Joey: “Again, Tripp found him. Does he look like Twiggy Ramirez? Absolutely no comment.”
Wednesday 13 Joey: “He and I wrote all the music and the lyrics together. It’s fun when we’re singing about grave robbing. It’s much more tongue-in-cheek than anything Slipknot’s ever done.”
Erik Griffin Joey: “Tripp brought him into the band. I saw a video that Tripp did of them jamming, and he looked right for the band.”
Tripp Eisen Joey: “When we met, we instantly knew that we had the same taste in music. I really love his leads on the album. Live he’s great, and he’s a great friend.”
#if you want anything else from this scanned lemme know#hey if you're new here and don't know why nobody talks about tripp (beyond being in the band very briefly)#his wikipedia immediately gets right straight to the point#murderdolls#joey jordison#wednesday 13#ben graves#eric griffin#tripp eisen#interview#kerrang 910 jun 29 02#that time eric decided to spell his name with a k i guess?#i had the power to scan the two page spread in one piece but 1. there was a white line and 2. i thought it was funny tripp was cut in half#DROOPING ASPARAGUS almost makes up for the diminutive incident#there's some old website features and a page of stickers in the drive folder! and i'm shutting the fuck up now
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Oh my god I completely forgot about that ex-girlfriend line. Spent all the past few episodes thinking that we still didn't know who the voice on the ham radio belonged to, and instead we'd known all along. I'm a fake fan smh how could I miss it???
#i *knew* the westies weren't the culprits i *knew* it!!#i hadn't figured out the entire story (mostly because i'd completely forgotten about Helga LMAO)#but i knew they couldn't have killed him. it made no sense#their story was so emotional. i loved it! except that I STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHO KILLED SAZZ#i thought the dudenoff murder had something to do with her death but it turns out he wasn't murdered so????#and WHO CAUSED ALL THOSE PLOT HOLES IN S1 OH MY GOD TELL ME I NEED TO KNOW!!!!!!!!!!#i CANNOT figure this out. at all.#of course it's not irish ben glenroy. come on. that makes no sense it's just the last chance for the writers to throw us off before the end#they only have two episodes so we'll know who the killer is next episode (i think) and they had to buy some time#but like. who the hell is left. someone on the cast? it actually was bev melon all along?#oh if i called that one i will NEVER shut up. i don't think she's the culprit but yk. the gift of apollo and everything#anyway im very confused! but also it was a very good episode so im not complaining#next week can't come fast enough#omitb#omitb spoilers#omitb s4
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I'm putting Lisa and Ben into my Wayward daughter fantasies.
You don't understand! At the core of her heart of hearts, Lisa thinks she would "never bring her sister back from the dead." But Jody? Jody knows. Jody is burdened by wisdom born of her experience, and...
And Jody's afraid of ever being granted the opportunity. Like Dean, Jody is rightfully afraid of that kind of power.
There's a painful parallel that could happen there, a delicious Lisa-and-Jody arc with respect to, "What if it's your child?" No one truly knows how they would act in that situation.
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I'm warming up to Jody the more I think about how the most interesting thing about her is that her wisdom wouldn't prevent her from making reckless, emotional decisions, and that's the delicious part--the contrast!
Jody knows that if she was in the crosshairs, she could be played like a violin, and that's terrifying. No wonder she feels like, "she lost before she ever started" when it comes to the girls.
Another interesting bit about her knowing that overprotectiveness wouldn't work with Claire... and not being able to help falling into it anyways (13x03 via @spnscripthunt-inactive)
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I love this unaired bit from Jody, too.
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Jody says to Alex at some point: "Whatever you want from me, I'll give it. If you want, I'm here. But what you've been through the last 48 alone, losing your entire family, everything you've ever known or loved -- no one can understand that."
Jody knows the loss. She knows too what desperation could lead a person to do when faced with the opportunity to reunite.
I wish I could find the line about her saying she's afraid of what she'd do if faced with the opportunity to get her family back. I always lose the nifty script search. ToT But the more I think about this, the more I like it.
You can't understand some things until you go through them. In some ways, you learn that you don't want to be understood, because being understood means someone else going through that!
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I just think you could build painful Jody-centric episodes centered wholly around her conveying powerfully astute wisdom... and then not being able to help but do the exact opposite!
#i could do wayward daughters all day i swear#lisa didn't conceptualize the opportunity to bring back ben in her mind because that would have been too painful to confront#spn parenting#but my swirl of thoughts about pairing jody and lisa for episodes because of how complicated and crunchy it could be!!!!#jody and owen#lisa and ben#etc etc#the most interesting part of lisa was this line about her sister#no one knows truly what they'd do until they're faced with it#and like#*waves hands*#with mary for example... azazel killed her entire family precisely TO make her more conducive to making a deal#that's the whole thing!#that kind of vulnerability is just... *blows out air* whew#mary stuff#jody stuff
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Haha whoooh Jean character ref sheet! haha yea whoooh!
#GAAAAH I SUCK AT DRAWING BACK SIDE VIEWS#idk i thought it was about time she got a proper one ig#gonna make a digitalized/Skull kid avatar one soon#Also thanks to Maritatari for giving me a qr code to a freckles brush#You are a life saver#jadusable arg#jadusable#ben arg#oc#au#jean anderson#nero's scribbles
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I think it’s time my family stop calling people whose last names are Shapiro as just their last names and instead call them by their full names and/or titles
#ship makes a personal post#my mom asked me the other day if i thought shapiro was a hardcore right-winger/trump fan and at first i was so confused#are we talking about ben shapiro or josh shapiro or one of the local rabbis whose name is also shapiro#bc those are three VERY different people#with VERY different answers#ranging from ‘fuck yeah he is’ to ‘fuck no he’s not’ to ‘i don’t fucking know nor care (he’s not our rabbi anyways)’#or it could’ve been some other shapiro i wasn’t even thinking about
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can't reblog that poll about 'how do you boil water' still too traumatised by how many people default to using the microwave. i rarely even drink tea and i have an electric kettle for such occasions as a friend visiting or attempting to save energy by boiling water in the kettle before transferring it to the hob for pasta-making.
#of all the meaningless transatlantic disconnects this is the one that most shakes me in my innards. NO KETTLES.#but they drink coffee all the time! though i hear that the Starbucks drinks i thought were coffee are in fact mostly sugar?#and pumpkin spice lattes do NOT contain pumpkins. even though Americans eat pumpkins don't they? at Halloween.#i bet this is why they were upset about us taxing their tea - 18th century microwaves were shit and their tea wasn't worth the new price :(#i say 'microwave' i probably mean ben franklin with a glowing rock sent to him by his cousin in england; they had to make do in them days#“ah but if we attach the kite to the kettle -” “BENJAMIN NO.”
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#in a crossover ship mood so what better thing to do than to make a poll#I already know which ones gonna win but I thought it would be a fun little poll regardless#:P#I know there are more but these are the pairings I've seen more than one piece of art for#I would've added cyben if it was popular 😔#if you pick other and you say a character from an anime I'm not gonna know who you're talking about sorry#ben 10#ben tennyson#benzak#benrex#green glow#bensari#bendex#adriben#polls#zoppos posties
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ben definitely explained the situation to callum and callum said ‘i’m not getting involved in that. but here’s my badge. go scare her off, babe.’ and i for one love that energy
#ee spoilers#we all know callum can’t lie and intimidate people for shit - ben had to be the one doing it#and no way would he just take callum’s badge so he must know#he definitely make comments about ben in the suit and made jokes about ‘dc ben mitchell. who would’ve thought. what would your dad say’#*made#‘maybe we should role play you arresting me for a change while you’re dressed like that’
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Ok I’ve been reading a ton of Tom Paris related fanfic lately (with many different pairings), and I just need to talk about two Big Pet Peeves I have regarding certain uh, “tropes” - especially in older fanfic (from the 90′s and early 2000′s).
Head’s Up: I’m not trying to pick on anyone or start shit, I just really need somewhere to vent about WHY these two specific things bother me, so it’s going to be under the cut. This is my side-blog and I literally made it just to scream into the void about Tom Paris and Star Trek, okay?
Just be aware that I’m going to be talking about my own personal opinions and I don’t know how to NOT be intense about my autistic special interest (AKA any aspect of Star Trek). So don’t read unless you don’t mind hearing my thoughts about other people’s writing/character choices in fanfiction, and I definitely don’t want to hear anyone arguing with me because that’s not why I’m here.
Anyways if you’re fine and dandy with that, then by all means you’re welcome to read more. Or don’t, I don’t really care.
Ok so there are two specific things that I noticed appear rather often in many Tom-centric fanfics, and they really bother me.
ok there’s also the prison rape thing, but that’s a whole other can of worms
ANYWAYS, my issues are:
#1: Taking the blame for Caldik Prime away from Tom
#2: Conflating Tom Paris with Nick Locarno
To explain the first one, I’m talking about there being multiple fanfics (from many different authors), where either:
- We’re given a reason why Tom wasn’t actually at fault for the accident (there was something unknowingly wrong with the ship, he was an undercover agent and it never really happened, etc.)
- The author tries to soften the blow by explaining why Tom messed up (he was emotionally compromised, for example, because his mother had died, or some big fight/problem with his father had just happened, etc.)
- Or the author tries to say that Tom never wanted to lie about the accident in the first place (he was unconscious/too wounded and his father lied for him, he was coerced into lying from either indirect or direct pressure from his father, etc.)
And personally? I have a problem with all of these. A huge foundation of Tom’s character is that he messed up in the past - big time. It’s something he had to learn from and grow. It affects so many aspects of his character - like wanting to offer support to Seven because he knows what it’s like to want to put your past behind you. And, at least in my own personal opinion, it’s why he’s the one that finds the error in “Timeless” - because he’s not willing to put other people’s lives at risk ever again.
But not once does Tom ever try to push the blame for this mistake on anyone else. The very first thing we hear about it from his own mouth is to tell Harry that yeah, it was his fault and he shouldn’t have lied about it. He knows this, he accepts this, and is even prepared to put up with the backlash for it (which, as we see from the original Voyager Doctor and Cavvit, is probably pretty common).
I understand that people probably felt bad for Tom or maybe just wanted some extra angst, but it feels so wrong to remove this from his character. It negates the growth he goes through - getting rid of the chip on his shoulder, learning to trust people and open himself up. It also negates the good aspects that came from something awful - he did tell the truth in the end, even though it ruined his Starfleet career. That shows what kind of person he really is, to have owned up to his mistakes even though, in his own words, he would have gotten away with it if he hadn’t.
Now for the second issue: meshing together Tom Paris with Nick Locarno.
I’ve seen fanfics where the people who died at Caldik Prime were Tom’s friends (this is sometimes also a reference to Pathways, which I don’t find canon either). There were fics where Tom blamed the accident on one of the dead officers like Locarno did in “The First Duty, and I’ve even seen someone referencing the Kolvoord Starburst as the reason why Tom’s accident happened. In some ways I get it, because we don’t know hardly any details about Tom’s past history so I can understand why many people decided to mesh the two characters together - especially because Locarno was the initial starting point for the idea of Tom Paris.
The thing is, it bugs me - both because Nick Locarno’s character was much nastier than Tom’s, and also because canon explicitly contradicts this possibility.
First of all, Locarno was expelled from the Academy - but Tom was thrown own of Starfleet. He had already graduated and was even serving aboard a Starship at some point before Caldik Prime. These are canonical facts that we know, and probably came from the writers intentionally deciding to separate the two characters. Second, there isn’t a single reference to Tom’s relationship with the people who died at Caldik prime other than his own reference of “those three dead officers” - not his friends, not cadets. Even as bitter as he is in the first season, Tom Paris doesn’t seem like the type to be that detached if he had gotten his own friends killed.
But also, Nick Locarno did not confess to what he did. And that is such an important distinction between the two. Tom fessed up - Nick Locarno was caught, and the only semi-decent thing he did was convince the higher-ups to spare his team the full punishment. It's also implied that Nick Locarno used his position as team leader to pressure the rest of Nova Squadron into trying a very dangerous and banned maneuver in the first place - to boost his own ego. And when things started to get dicey, he blamed the accident on the cadet who had died, to save himself and his team.
Tom Paris never did any of those things, and it feels pretty damaging to his character to lump the two in together. There is no canonical evidence to suggest that Tom was trying anything dangerous, that he blamed anyone for the accident, or anything like what we know Nick Locarno did. All we know for sure is that it was a pilot error and that he lied, falsifying reports. But he makes it clear to Harry that he would have been home free if he’d just stuck to his lie. Nick Locarno was, if nothing else, facing a mark on his permanent record and a group of Academy officials who clearly thought he was lying already, but just couldn’t prove it. If we can go by Tom’s own words, he was facing much better circumstances, but chose to come clean anyways - because of his own conscious. Because deep down, Tom is a decent person and we see that throughout the rest of Voyager.
Personally, I think the best description of the character’s differences came from Robert Duncan McNeill himself - when he said that Nick Locarno seemed nice on the outside, but was a terrible person on the inside. Whereas Tom Paris had made mistakes and pushed people away, but deep down was a good person (I’m paraphrasing, but you get the point).
So yeah, both of these tropes bug me - one because it tries to make Tom into a less flawed person (maybe to seem more likeable somehow?), and the other because it turns him into a much more selfish and unlikeable character when there’s no reason to.
Anyways I just needed to get that off my chest.
#star trek#tom paris#voy#st: voy#personal thoughts#ramblings#listen it's just ben bugging me SO MUCH#and I don't have anyone to talk to about it#so I'm screaming into the tumblr void#I just really care about Tom Paris#and certain fandom characterization in old fics#really fucking BOTHERS me#so i'm gonna talk about it#and no one is probably gonna read it#but it makes me feel better#putting it into words somewhere
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THAT REMINDS ME- I need to draw another entry for the explanation posts.. I think I'll give a rundown on the two (three? sane AU Eddie isn't really his own thing) versions of Edgar and how his relationship with The Main Antagonist Dude (Eli/Jack) impacts the narrative
I'll definitely need some input from Ben for Elijah's portion, though
#it's a shame tho bc eli's universe is nowhere near as developed...#bc i have jack brainworm and it's much easier to decide things when you control the two MCs#vs when you have to have an in depth convo before you make any decisions bc the antagonist is your friend's#also Benny has a really hard time putting his thoughts about Elijah into words. he has trouble with expressing characterization in general#not in a narrative way but in a 'i can't talk about my own characters and explain things because only one person speaks Benninese' way#im very aware that it looks like i make all the big decisions but that's why i push so hard to remind everybody of ben's influence!!!#half of the characters aren't mine after all!#some of the most important narrative decisions (jack and isaac's EXISTENCE; basically everything abt their family including maddie;#the deaths of a lot of the children; eli's motivations in general which helped me feel out and learn how i wanted jack to be etc)#were his idea!! and im sure there's way more but i can't even remember.them bc at this point they're so integral to the foundation of the#narrative itself and its themes. i am the biggest ben supporter#i promise i am not the only man behind the curtain he is also very present#rox rumblings#me things#oc ramblings#beanie tag#i'm just like... the spokesperson. i am the face of the brand but we are both behind the scenes coming up with the formula together#i have the big fancy flourishes but we are both cooking
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kinda fascinating how many people in the notes immediately saw this and decided this post was pro-israel. i've said this before and i'll say it again - criticism of israel is not antisemitic, but a lot of you are.
i keep seeing the increasing amount of antisemitism in leftist circles and as a jewish leftist i don't really like it. i don't like when people refuse to listen to jews when they speak about antisemitism.
nobody is immune to bigotry. just because you are a leftist (or claim to be one) it doesn't mean it's impossible for you to show microaggression.
#yeah#yeah this exactly this#like. i've been keeping quiet about it bc it's honestly not the biggest issue in the world right now but it's still very exhausting#''zio'' is a slur. not a slur for zionists. a slur for jews. yes it stems from zionism. that doesn't change that it's still used for us all#slurs don't base themselves around accuracy. sorry if this is new information for some people#no one was calling gay people faggots bc they thought we were all secretly cigarettes#you have to be able to criticize israel without being antisemitic#yes i understand that it's not easy. i understand that some people will decide everything is antisemitic if it's critical of israel#sometimes in life you have to do things that aren't extremely easy but i promise you this will not be the hardest thing you ever do#look let me put it like this. ben shapiro is a terrible person right? nobody here likes him he's a piece of shit#but if you call him a kike then you're an antisemite. it's the same principle#you don't get to call people slurs just bc the people you're aiming the slurs at happen to suck#i am not a fan of israel. i have been critical of israel for a very long time#this has not stopped people from seeing ''jew'' and jumping to conclusions#and it's fucking exhausting#it's still not okay to be antisemitic! jews are still a marginalized people! just make a fucking effort!
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