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scourgebff · 1 year ago

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ANSWERING THESE

1. what color is scourge’s collar?

canon compliant answer: purple, but became dark maroon after being stained by constant blood and grime.

personal hc answer: every color, including various styles (bows, bandanas, harnesses, etc) due to having collected an impressive array from the strays and dogs he has defeated. he needs the substantial amount due to having a near constant stream of various claw and fang offerings from his warriors and past victories. he’ll award these collars to cats as medals and it’s an extremely high honor, one of the highest a bloodclanner can receive.

2. top 5 prophecies begin characters

scourge, tigerstar, bone, redtail, spottedleaf. major note that this is definitely not who i think the best/actually good characters are lmao merely my favorites from that arc.

3. should hollyleaf have had a power?

NAH holly’s arc had become so intrinsically linked to the fallout of not having powers and lacking starclan’s blessings that if she had them it would ruin everything interesting about her. also dovewing’s arc and character struggle centered around pressure from having powers via how it affects her life is awesome. basically both my favs would become boring as hell so thank you erins for being too lazy to think of a power for her 🦭 godspeed.

4. silverstream or millie?

silverstream clears it aint even close

5. favorite forbidden romance

tigersasha made me think a ton, moves me, and gives a lot of mixed emotions regarding it so probably that. tigerdove is good too but specifically during tigerheart’s shadow and onwards.

6. favorite sss warriors design

TIGERCLAW oh my god theres so many fantastic designs of him out there but this one will always rule them all in my eyes. i can only strive towards making something so fitting yet distinctive for a character. an all timer.

7. realistic or sparkle designs for roleplay?

halfway between the best for me! love it when creative freedom is given, especially for markings/palettes/accessories and suspension of disbelief is encouraged for the sake of a cool looking character fs. but i do personally stop at neon rainbow colors or things like wings/horns/major fantasy elements in a canon based setting.

8. first deviantart username

never really used deviantart… quotev and google+ my dark origin story

9. favorite crack ship

redtail x scourge to the point where it’s not crack i’m dead serious just hear me out

10. describe your first warriors oc

a young bloodclan warrior named wolf who was a silver tabby tom with glowing blue eyes, a matching blue bear tooth lined collar, and bear teeth studded claws. he had a bunch of siblings that he competed with for leadership of bloodclan since they were all kin of scourge. really have not left this era tbh i should redraw him.

11. favorite amv prior to 2014?

butterfly culture by silverwolfnyght or literally any of the amvs by ryulovestsute GOD they were so far ahead of their time

12. is brambleclaw a good main character?

LMFAO

13. rank the clans

BLOODCLAN >>>> riverclan = shadowclan > windclan > thunderclan

14. dovewing or ivypool

dovewing masterclass

15. daisy: yay or nay?

WOOOOYAYAYAYAY

16. did you ever use fanart as your pc wallpaper?

yes but ipad wallpaper, i didn’t have a pc for the longest time

17. what would your warrior name be and what clan would you belong to?

i’d be a kittypet called tiger part timing for bloodclan (bloodclan name: tigerblood cause hes REALLY uncreative and corny but simultaneously. the shaved ice syrup flavor), a large toyger tom with brownish amber eyes wearing a spiked black harness

18. favorite medicine cat? (cutoff being oots)

spottedleaf but an incredibly extremely close second is mothwing

19. did you ever name/want to name a pet after a character?

yes very badly but wasn’t allowed to have a cat so i gave the local strays warrior names instead

20. swiftpaw, gorsepaw, or shrewpaw?

gorsepaw by a LOT it isn’t even close

Old School Warriors Ask Game

I haven’t made one of these before but I thought it would be fun >:3c I couldn’t ask obvious ones like “who do u think the 4th cat is” but I tried to keep these centered on heated discussions around 2009ish

1. what color is scourge’s collar?

2. top 5 the prophecies begin characters

3. should hollyleaf have had a power?

4. millie or silverstream?

5. favorite forbidden romance

6. favorite sss warriors design

7. realistic or sparkle designs for roleplay?

8. first deviantart username

9. favorite crack ship (ex. revengeshipping)

10. describe your first warriors oc

11. favorite amv prior to 2014?

12. is brambleclaw a good main character?

13. rank the clans (excluding skyclan, including bloodclan)

14. dovewing or ivypool?

15. daisy: yay or nay?

16. did you ever use fanart as your pc wallpaper?

17. what would your warrior name be and what clan would you belong to?

18. favorite medicine cat? (cutoff being oots)

19. did you name/want to name a pet after a character?

20. swiftpaw, gorsepaw, or shrewpaw?

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cleocatrablossy · 2 years ago

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I probably need to re-read DoTC, I keep seeing things where stuff I legitimately don’t remember happens and I think that’s because I was reading at school as fast as possible(like 2-3 days a book, only putting in an hour or two a day because only at school) last year. Plus I probably thought of it as better than it is because I read it after binging PoT, OotS, and AVoS as well as way too many super editions so by time I got to DoTC I was just done with these cat books so it being less of a chore to get through since the side characters are usually cool and the plot has interesting things every now and then and it’s for ONCE not the same fucking cast so there are new dynamics I might have just gotten really exited and liked it just because it was better than three arcs which I could only stand to read whenever Squirrelflight, Ivypool, or Hollyleaf were on screen doing things and super editions that were such a slog I quite half way through one. So it’s like… yeah there was definitely a bias and I was also sorta just reading them to be able to finish the series. And around the time I was irrc the latest WoF book came out too so there would be plenty disappointment there too so just in that time period I wouldn’t have had any sorta okay books from either series tho compare it too. So I’m gonna re-read it now that I am no longer completely done with this series as at this point I’m just laughing at it as I go, and I have good new books to compare it too(they aren’t WoF or Warriors).

#brain soup

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amirisqueer · 2 years ago

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A silly AU I made a couple years ago. I still think it's kind of fun. Here is the original description:

"So, first off, this is going to be pretty loose concepts for a Warriors AU I had in mind. I need to work on personal projects at the moment, so I won't go too into detail with this. Additionally, I should have reread Power of Three and Omen of the Stars before this, to make it more detailed and accurate, but again, I need to work on personal projects.

I may come back to this when I have time for it. As for now, it'll stay pretty loose. Unless some of you want to mess around with the concepts, and I fully welcome you to do so! It'd be really cool to have a bunch of people putting their ideas into this, and making it a community thing!

I've removed anything to do with Rock, the ancients, the stick, and the Tribe, because they're all pointless and irrelevant to the plot, and contribute nothing to the story. The undergroud tunnels remain, but they're left a mystery.

Anyway. On with the villainy.

PoT and OotS were disappointing, to say the least. PoT had a good build up, and had tons of potential, but, as usual, the Erins wasted it. OotS is a hot mess; like PoT, potential was wasted, the plot meanders, there are far too many inconsistencies and plot holes, character motivations are weird, characters are unlikeable and boring, a ton of important points in the story feel really contrived, and it's poorly written over all. I still enjoyed these arcs, though, just for how bad they were.

I think it would have been really cool if the Erins explored the potential for villainy Jayfeather and Hollyleaf had. Jayfeather expresses quite a bit of resentment and disrespect for Starclan, and seems to feel like he's above everyone else bc he's part of a prophecy (one that really never is used or explored meaningfully). He's also pretty interested in plants that harm people, which is unique for a medicine cat.

Hollyleaf is a stickler to the warrior code, though we see her twist it and her logic to fit what she wants, especially when she goes out of her way to murder Ashfur, and threaten Leafpool. She's also shown to be very ambitious, and wants to be leader one day. She wants to be important to her clan, and be respected.

Lionblaze, in this AU, is a lot softer, and much more caring and gentle. While he does want to be a great warrior, he doesn't enjoy fighting, which makes his power a point of angst for him, since it's one that enables him to hurt other cats without any physical consequences to him. Lionblaze in the books always stuck out to me as particularly bland; he was just another cat who wanted to be the greatest warrior, who loved fighting, and was aggressive. I want a soft, gentle hero. I want a hero who can and will fight for what he believes in, but would much rather take a pacifistic route.

Again, I need to reread PoT and OotS to refresh myself, but bear with me.

What if we explored this in a way that made Jayfeather and Hollyleaf villains? These traits certainly make it easy.

What if Jayfeather grew especially resentful of Starclan, and, upon learning of the prophecy and how much power he held, turned against them? After all, Starclan gets increasingly annoying, petty, and downright irritating as the series goes on. They act as though they know more than the living cats do (which they don't, and this is shown multiple times), and instead of actually doing anything to help the clans, they give vague omens and signs that could easily be interpreted as anything!

So Jayfeather, resentful of Starclan, plots against them. He wants them to hurt. He wants them to admit they're no better than anyone else. He wants them to stop being so pretentious and full of themselves. He also hates Starclan for making him blind, and, like he said in The Sight, he wishes he had never been born because of it. Jayfeather's bitter and vindictive nature is explored a ton here.

He comes up with a plan to wrest the clans from Starclan's control. He wants everyone else to resent them, too, so Starclan will lose what power they have over the living cats. And to do that, he'll need to take over clans and spread his ideology, much like Sol.

Meanwhile, Hollyleaf wants to be leader, as mentioned before. And Jayfeather sees this as an opportunity. He's the mastermind behind all this, as the most intelligent of the three; he's the one pulling the strings.

By the way, Hollyleaf has a power in this AU. Her power comes from her dedication to and belief in the warrior code; she can always tell when cats are lying, and when they have broken the code, as well as convince them to believe in her own convictions, too. The more she believes in an idea, the more easily she can persuade cats to take her side, and believe in her version of the truth.

And so Jayfeather uses her. Throughout the books, he'll help her become deputy, and then leader, by strategically poisoning clanmates (as well as cats from other clans) to help her gain power. He's also making up visions, too, and manipulating clan politics, trying to turn them against Starclan that way, too. He tells Hollyleaf the things he reads in other cats' minds to help her find weaknesses to exploit.

Hollyleaf believes that what she's doing is right, and that she's fulfilling the prophecy, and making Thunderclan strong. In reality, she's simply carrying out Jayfeather's attack on Starclan.

Lionblaze, meanwhile, is blissfully unaware of this. He does what he does best; fight and try to be a good warrior. The best he can be, in fact. While Lionblaze isn't very intelligent, Jayfeather is wary of trying to involve him, because Lionblaze is a genuinely kind hearted cat, whereas Hollyleaf isn't.

Also! Throughout the PoT arc, there are tons of bonding moments between the three; for Jayfeather, it's all manipulation, but for Hollyleaf and Lionblaze, it's genuine. I've always been irritated by how Warriors never actually shows bonds between families and friends; the books just usually go "they were friends" or "they were family" and that's it. It makes all the family/friend deaths so unemotional and contrived when they happen, because the bonds are never explored. I don't care that Feathertail died; you never showed me the relationship she and Crowfeather had. His grief feels fake, and I'm not invested, at all.

In addition to this, friendships between the protagonists and side characters are also more deeply explored. For example, Hollyleaf and Cinderheart would have a very deep, loving friendship, and Lionblaze and Berrynose would have a friendly rivalry, but are also there for each other. Lionblaze also deeply cares for his family, and loves his siblings, Brambleclaw, Squirrelflight, Firestar, Sandstorm, and Leafpool dearly. Hollyleaf is close with her mother and father too, of course, but not quite as close as Lionblaze. Jayfeather is too wrapped up in his hatred and fantasies of revenge to really bother with friendship or family, and thus is viewed as even more prickly by his clanmates.

Jayfeather makes sure to make Hollyleaf look like an excellent warrior and leader, helping her find opportunities to do so. He encourages her to use her power to persuade Firestar to give her an apprentice, so she could be made deputy, and it works. Eventually, she'll use this power on Firestar to convince him to make her deputy after Brambleclaw dies.

Also! In chapters from Jayfeather's POV, it's shown that he grows to hate himself, too, for his actions. He knows very well what he's doing is wrong, but he keeps doing it. He feels horrible for using Hollyleaf the way he does, and feels slimy and gross about it. He thinks he's too far gone, that there's no hope for him. So he keeps making things worse and worse, and hates himself every second of it.

This only serves to make him more bitter and resentful, and he lashes out at clanmates even more, taking out his anger and other mixed emotions on them. It's pretty clear he's developed some sort of depression. At this point, it's obvious that revenge on Starclan won't make Jayfeather happy, at all. But that's what keeps him going.

Eventually, Sol comes along, and Jayfeather sees him as an ally; after all, he's trying to dismantle the clans' belief in Starclan, too. With Sol, he helps spread disbelief and strife, leading to Shadowclan being reduced to the state it was in. Thunderclan is following lead, though a bit more slowly, because, annoyingly, Firestar and Brambleclaw are still there.

So Jayfeather sneakily poisons him, without any cat in the clan knowing. He, of course, does this after Firestar has taken a liking to Hollyleaf, and during his grief, Hollyleaf goes and consoles him, as well as giving him advice on who the new deputy should be, strongly hinting that she thought she would do a good job, by stating traits that she has, and that Firestar has seen in her.

So! She becomes deputy! Lionblaze is, of course, proud, but he's a bit unnerved by the fact that Jayfeather and Hollyleaf don't seem bothered by their father's death. The fire scene happens at some point, and they learn about Squirrelflight's lie. Ashfur is still killed by Hollyleaf to keep the secret. And this time, she doesn't spill it.

Sol is also eventually killed off, because when Jayfeather realizes he's also trying to destroy the clans, not just ruin their belief in Starclan, which isn't what he wants. He doesn't want Starclan or the clans to die; he wants Starclan to suffer. So, he comes up with a plan to kill Sol, and Hollyleaf executes it.

At this point, Hollyleaf too is becoming resentful of Starclan, and twists her version of the code to fit with that, silently vowing to enforce it when she becomes leader.

Thunderclan is starting to grow really angry with Starclan, due to Jayfeather's and Sol's influence. Firestar continues to have faith in them, and the clan slowly turns on him, seeing him as a weak and incompetent leader. Other unfortunate things start to happen as well, like prey being scarce in greenleaf, warriors being injured more, fights on the borders breaking out, etc. It should be noted that Hollyleaf also uses her power to help convince the clan of Jayfeather's beliefs, and it works really well, seeing as she believes them herself. The majority of clan starts to believe that Starclan has abandoned them.

But not all of them, which is key to the rest of this AU!

Hollyleaf believes this too, and believes that the clan would do far better being lead by her. She speaks with Jayfeather about this, and, of course, he's pleased by it. They hatch a scheme to kill Firestar in secret, using a lethal concoction of herbs and framing it as a sickness.

Also! As Jayfeather's ideology spreads, other medicine cats' connection to Starclan grows weaker and weaker, until, finally, at the end of the PoT arc, they cannot communicate with Starclan at all. Only Jayfeather can, as that's one of his powers.

Once Starclan is entirely cut off from the clans, Cinderpelt's spirit (in Cinderheart) is released; her link to Starclan has been severed, so the whole reincarnation sort of thing no longer works. Cinderpelt is instead stranded in some sort of limbo, and never finds her way back to Starclan.

However, Leafpool has noticed Jayfeather's interest in toxic plants, and grows suspicious of him... so she must be killed, too. While gathering herbs with Jayfeather, Hollyleaf ambushes Leafpool and kills her. Jayfeather has Hollyleaf injure him, too, so he can frame it as an accident with some rogues, which he just barely got away from. Hollyleaf is never mentioned in his explanation, so she's completely free of suspicion.

Two of the three never learn of their true parentage, and only Lionblaze ever really cares about it, because of his deep connection with his parents, grandparents, and aunt. Lionblaze later learns about it from Squirrelflight.

With Leafpool out of the way, they can finally kill Firestar. Jayfeather slips deathberry juice into some of Firestar's fresh kill, and, when the leader is unconscious and in the medicine den, Jayfeather poisons him with more and more herbs (like foxglove, water hemlock, deadly nightshade, etc), which prove powerful enough to kill all his remaining lives.

The clan doesn't suspect a thing, and grieves for him, despite his weak leadership. This further reinforces the belief that Starclan has abandoned them.

Hollyleaf becomes Hollystar. And, despite everything she's done, she gets her nine lives. This is because, since Hollystar and Jayfeather are part of the proohecy, and supposedly hold the power of the stars in their paws, they can force them to give her nine lives. Especially with Hollystar's power of conviction.

I'm not sure who her deputy would be, but it would have to be someone incredibly loyal to her. Perhaps Cinderheart, seeing as they were close friends. Maybe they even get to be a cute, villainous lesbian couple. You know what, they do. CinderHolly is canon in this AU.

However, Lionblaze notices how unbothered Jayfeather and Hollystar are by Firestar's death, and starts to suspect the worst. He has kept his faith in Starclan, by the way, despite his siblings' attempts to sway him. He has also gathered a small group of the clan together who still believe in Starclan, and they worship in secret at night, outside the camp. This group, critically, includes Whitewing and Birchfall, Dovewing and Ivypool's parents. It also includes Squirrelflight and Sandstorm, who were, of course, incredibly loyal to Firestar.

With Hollystar in her leadership position, and a blindly loyal deputy and mate are her side, she pushes her anti-Starclan agenda, and actually forges an alliance with Shadowclan and Blackstar. They promise to help each other in the coming days, seeing as Starclan has left the clans, and they can only depend on each other.

Windclan and Riverclan are horrified, especially the medicine cats (except Mothwing, she actually sees this as wise), but through Hollystar's conviction, these ideals infiltrate the other two clans. Each clan splits into factions: those who have faith, and those who do not. Consistently, the latter groups are larger.

Lionblaze is incredibly upset by this, and is torn between his love for his siblings, his care for his clan, and his faith to Starclan. Hollystar starts to weed out the disloyal cats, the ones who still have faith in Starclan, and makes them sleep in a separate den from the other cats. She keeps a close eye on them, and monitors their movements at all times, with the help of Cinderheart, Jayfeather, and a few other extremely loyal warriors.

One evening, Lionblaze manages to sneak out from under the gaze of his clanmates, and eavesdrops on a conversation between Hollystar and Jayfeather. He learns of their manipulation, and how they killed Brambleclaw, Leafpool, and Firestar, and, in fury, attacks Hollystar. This grabs the whole clan's attention, and during the battle, Hollystar loses a life.

Lionblaze, being the big hearted cat he is, stops fighting once his sister dies once, horrified at what he's done. However, the clan has turned against him, and he, as well as the other Starclan faithful, are driven out of Thunderclan territory. Hollystar has convinced Thunderclan that any Starclan faithful cats are dangerous traitors, and, at the next gathering, encourages the other clans to drive them out, too.

Lionblaze and his group, meanwhile, shelter beyond Thunderclan territory, and Dovekit and Ivykit are born. They slowly recover their strength, and set up a sort of temporary camp. Lionblaze tells them about Hollystar and Jayfeather's treachery. All the cats are bereft, and have no idea what to do. Soon enough, though, a group of Shadowclan cats find them, and reveal they've been driven away, too. The clans by the lake have all lost cats, and they are weaker now, which is critical for OotS. This is where the PoT arc ends.

Hollystar's regime is as strong as ever in Thunderclan, and the rest of the Starclan faithful cats in the clans have been driven out. The Dark Forest sees this as an opportunity to take advantage of, and starts recruiting warriors and apprentices to their cause to destroy/take over the clans, or whatever the DF was trying to do. Like. Seriously. What exactly were they trying to accomplish?

We'll just go with destroying the clans, due to their festering, bitter hatred for Starclan, and how the clans wronged them in their past lives.

Starclan is completely cut off from the clans, except for Lionblaze's group, which has become its own sort of clan. Each of the groups of Starclan faithful have found their way to him, and they live an unsteady, unsatisfying life outside the clan territories. They want to go home. They want their clans back. But if they dared set paw at the lake territories again, they'd be killed.

Enter Dovepaw and Ivypaw. Despite not really being a clan, the group has still continued clan traditions, and Dovepaw is apprenticed to Willowshine, while Ivypaw gets Brightheart. For extra drama, Brightheart and Cloudtail were split over the Starclan debate, and Cloudtail remains with Hollystar.

In this group, there's a lot of quarreling over who's in charge, as they don't really have a leader. They eventually agree to have a small council of four cats, one from each clan, to lead them. Lionblaze, Tawnypelt, Heathertail, and Mistyfoot are the leaders of this group, and they are trying to form a plan to take the clans back. Tawnypelt was also able to convince Tigerheart to remain faithful to Starclan, so he's here, too.

Squirrelflight, in a soft, emotional scene, reveals the three's parentage to Lionblaze. Instead of driving them apart, this makes them grow even closer, as they both understand what it's like to care for their siblings deeply, even when they've done something wrong.

The fourth cat from the prophecy remains, and it's Dovepaw. She doesn't have any powers, and yet she'll be key to turning the clans back to Starclan. During their time spent as a group, the borders between the clans here dissolve, and they become united and strong.

Dovepaw is actually trained as a medicine cat here, and is the only one in the group who can connect to Starclan. Her faith is particularly strong, given how her life began with being driven out of her home. This is how the connection between the clans and Starclan is slowly restored.

Meanwhile, in the clans, as the year progresses, things get worse. The draught happens like before, and a patrol is sent upstream to investigate the cause, like before. Leopardstar dies, and someone replaces her; possibly Reedwhisker. Perhaps he didn't go with his mother, and remained with Riverclan. This could be a source of grief for Mistyfoot, and affect her actions in the rest of the arc. Reedstar it is, then.

The DF keeps training and corrupting warriors in the clans, and as the arc goes on, some of them start to fear that Hollystar was wrong, and that they should've stayed faithful to Starclan. Of course, no one says this; anyone who speaks like that is immediately exiled.

Hollystar practically controls all the clans, given her power. Her propaganda has taken hold of the leaders' minds, and they all follow her suggestions. Jayfeather is both happy and dissatisfied at the same time; he is glad Starclan is suffering, and frequently visits them to gloat, but he feels that something is wrong. He isn't truly happy. He's still bitter cold and angry inside.

If I'm being honest, I barely remember what happened in OotS between the first and last books. The whole arc was a disaster, and, like I said, its plot was boring and meandering. I apologize for the stark lack of detail in this part. Like I said though, this is just a loose concept for this AU, and anyone can add their ideas to it, if they want!

Essentially, in the end, there are 3 factions fighting: the Starclan faithful, Hollystar's clans, and the Dark Forest. Jayfeather, once he learns what the DF is up to, is upset about it, and opposes it, simply because he doesn't want the clans destroyed, he just wants Starclan to suffer, and have them watch helplessly as the clans live perfectly well without them.

Lionblaze and his faction also, through the arc, spy on what the clans are doing, and learn how things are slowly falling apart. This isn't so much due to the lack of Starclan, but due to the Dark Forest taking advantage of that lack of faith. Had the DF not been an issue, the clans would have made it perfectly fine through that period of drought, and lived well w/o Starclan's influence.

Ivypool is also recruited into the DF like usual, but this time, she immediately knows something is up, bc of Lionblaze and the rest of the group having such firm faith in Starclan, and passing that onto the kits. However, since Ivypool is smart, she decides to spy there, along with Tigerheart, which give the Faithful an advantage. There, they finally have a name: the Faithful.

Hollystar's clans eventually learn of the threat from the DF, and things devolve into panic. Hollystar and Jayfeather are losing control, and both the DF and the Faithful take advantage of this.

Dovewing is especially gifted with speech in the AU, and is really compassionate and dedicated to what she believes in. She rallies a good portion of Hollystar's clans to the Faithful, and their numbers grow steadily. She is, in a way, like a cleric in DnD, and Lionblaze is a paladin. Dovewing does most of the speaking, while Lionblaze does most of the fighting.

Then, the battle breaks out. It's DF vs the Faithful vs Hollystar's clans. Like the Great Battle in the other books, this battle is chaotic, takes place all over the clan territory, and a ton of cats die. Hollystar and Lionblaze have an intense encounter, and Lionblaze pleads her to see sense and join their side. However, she is too far gone, and too convinced of her own flawed beliefs to listen. Hollystar is killed by Lionblaze in an emotional battle, and Jayfeather is eventually cornered, too.

Lionblaze also pleads with him to switch sides, and it is here that Jayfeather finally reveals what he's been doing all along, and has his traditional villain monologue. At the end of his monologue, he admits that he isn't happy with how things turned out, and feels hollow, numb, and bitter cold instead.

Jayfeather loathed himself as much as he loathed Starclan. He knew his actions were wrong, and hated himself for it, but he couldn't stop himself. He wouldn't. From his first kill onwards, he thought it was too late for him to change paths, that he'd always be a despicable, miserable cat. He sees no chance at redemption, and asks Lionblaze to kill him. When he won't, Jayfeather eats the deathberries he had kept with him, killing himself.

In the end, the Faithful are victorious, and take back the clans. Lionblaze, however, is completely devastated by all the loss. He had lost family and friends during all of this, and feels utterly swamped by grief. The loss of his siblings hurts the most; not only had he lost them to death, but he had really, truly LOST them; their personalities had completely changed, and the cats he once knew had vanished.

Despite this, he pushes through with Dovewing and Squirrelflight's help. Lionblaze becomes Lionstar, at the urging of his clanmates. He names Squirrelflight deputy, and Dovewing is his medicine cat. The clans are recovering from Hollystar's reign, and are turning back towards Starclan, for better or for worse. Either way, their faith has only strengthened during this time, and once again, the medicine cats can connect with their ancestors.

So! That's it! That's the villain Hollystar and Jayfeather AU! In my opinion, this is MUCH better than how things actually went in the books, and I would have rather had things go this way. Potential isn't wasted (as far as I know), and each of the three is more fully explored.

The OotS part is definitely lacking, because like I said, I've forgotten what happens through most of it. Lionblaze also gets a bit shafted, because I wanted to focus on Jayfeather and Hollystar, and also because I don't know his personality as well. I really wish I had given him more content, but my pool of ideas was a bit shallow for him :'D. If any of you have any ideas for him, or for the rest of the AU, please feel free to share them!!

I may come back to this in the future, after I've reread PoT and OotS, and add more details. For now, though, it is this.

Let me know what you guys think! I'd love to hear your ideas, too, like I've said a billion times before! As I've said many times earlier, I think it'd be really cool if you all contributed too, and we made this a community thing!"

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stickstone · 3 years ago

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Warrior Cats D&D Classes

Just gonna be doing the protagonists and a few others, might do some more later! I am skipping over Brambleclaw because I do not respect him and don’t want to devote too much energy to him.

Firestar: Fighter, it’s commonly seen as the beginner class and I think that fits Firestar well. For subclass I’d probably say Eldritch Knight because I like the idea of Firestar utilizing both physical attacks and magical ones.

Leafpool: Life Domain Cleric. It’s a pretty standard medicine cat one but, with Leafpool being the first medicine cat protagonist we got I feel like it fits her.

Squirrelflight: Big Ranger energy! I’d probably say Horizon Walker. I see Squirrelflight as being very mobile and constantly moving, so Horizon Walker fits her a lot for me!

Mothwing: Ok here me out: Bard Mothwing. It’s a support class, and also it’s just very fun I love this one a lot! For subclass, I think College of Lore suits her best.

Jayfeather: Circle of Stars Druid. Ok I’ve actually thought about this one a lot, so buckle up. Circle of Stars Druids have something called a star map, something they use to chart out the stars and harness their magic. I was thinking it would be cool if the stick was Jayfeather’s star map. Furthermore, Rock was the previous owner of this star map and his soul is attached to it, serving as a very disgruntled mentor figure (always a fun thing to have in d&d).

Lionblaze: I feel like I don’t even need to explain why Lionblaze would be a Barbarian. Path of the Zealot seems like a fun choice, what with the refusing to die and favored by the heavens stuff.

Hollyleaf: Oathbreaker Paladin. Everything about this has Hollyleaf vibes.

Dovewing: I really love Wild Magic Sorcerer Dovewing. It fits her so well while also being a fun take on the character!

Ivypool: To go along with Dovewing, I was initially thinking Ivypool could be a Warlock. Since Sorcerers are born with their magic, I thought it would be interesting if Ivypool sought her magic from a different and darker source. But then I realized that I’d have to make all the Dark Forest trainees be Warlocks and something about that bored me a little bit? So I had an epiphany. The Dark Forest doesn’t grant anyone any magical abilities, but it teaches them how to hone those abilities. And Ivypool is training as a Wizard. For subclass I think Bladesinger would be really fun.

Gray Wing: Wizard, probably Order of Scribes.

Clear Sky: Oh boy that’s an interesting one! Honestly I think a Rogue would work, and specifically a Scout would suit him well.

Thunder: Barbarian, probably a Storm Herald because uh. Haha storm.

Star Flower: Arcane Trickster Rogue. I like the idea of Clear Sky and Star Flower both being rogues but of different subclasses, it suits their general energy.

Alderheart: Way of Mercy Monk, I just think it would be neat.

Sparkpelt: Cavalier Fighter, thought it would be fun to give her the same base class as Firestar but with a different subclass

Needletail: Warlock, her patron is Darktail (a strange water elemental guy who’s formed a cult, patron type is a Fathomless)

Violetshine: Starts off as one of Darktail’s Warlocks, but breaks her pact with him. For awhile, she’s powerless and without a patron. However, Darktail’s victims end up merging to form a new Fathomless patron. Needletail is the one who appears to Violetshine the most, though.

Tree: Circle of Land Druid. It fits almost too well!

Twigbranch: I feel bad because I can’t really think of anything interesting for Twigbranch? I’m so sorry but I genuinely don’t know. Maybe Ranger? Hunter subclass ig.

Bristlefrost: Bard College of Whispers, it suits her really well and I love it a lot.

Rootspring: Phantom Rogue, which is a favorite class (and subclass) of mine. It just fits? Phantom Rogues have the ability to see and communicate with ghosts, just like Rootspring, and they fit Rootspring way better than any of the other ghost related classes I can think of.

Shadowsight: Now, this is a really fun one. I was torn between Warlock and Cleric when I realized that not only did multiclassing exist, it was also a really cool idea to combine two very different classes into one! I think he’d be Order Domain and Pact of the Fiend. It really is just a fun dichotomy that suits Shadowsight really well.

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wildheart-warriors · 1 month ago

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Adding on to this, I think it would add a Really Cool dynamic between Lionblaze and Ivypool if they were Both consistent Dark Forest attendees throughout OOTS. There are a Lot of different ways that could be played, and I think it would make both characters more interesting. I like Ivypool Conceptually, her role as Dark Forest Spy is interesting but, much like the rest of this arc, isn't really ever used to its full potential.

Lionblaze would of course be one of the longest standing Trainees, as he would've begun training with Tigerstar and Hawkfrost in PO3, before most of the DF recruiting. He'd be considered a loyal and trustworthy warrior, maybe even edging Hawkfrost out of the way to become Tigerstar's right paw.

I think it'd be good to see him struggling with his morals and who he is as things progress and he learns more and more about what Tigerstar is planning. I would love it if it were actually a genuine question who he would choose in the end. I can imagine, especially after Hollyleaf is revealed to not be part of their prophecy, Lionblaze's grief turning to a vicious anger with Starclan, and that driving him further into the Dark Forest, and away from Jayfeather and Dovewing.

Once he sees Ivypool show up, I think they would have an actual conversation for the first time, and through their time training together and sharing their problems, the two of them become close; for a while, both of them Are genuine Dark Forest Warriors. They hate Starclan for how unfair everything is, how their lives are so skewed because of the meddling of dead cats.

I think it would also be very interesting to see Hawkfrost as a third companion while theyre in the DF as well. So in the living world, you have Lionblaze, Jayfeather, and Dovewing, and in the Dark Forest you have Ivypool, Lionblaze, and Hawkfrost. Two different sets of Three (if you changed Hawkfrost's bloodline a little bit, you could even make him related to Firestar and have a False Three)

Hawkfrost is a very popular villain, but we dont get to see much of him just as a person outside of his Evil Ambitions. I think it'd be cool to really explore all three of these cats as characters, and give Lionblaze and Ivypool a real struggle between where their loyalties lie. Hawkfrost is their *friend*, they care about him!

I think the thing that may finally shake them would be Flametail. They both hate Starclan, but this is the first time they actually see what that *means*. Starclan isn't a monolith. It's a collective, made up of individuals, some of them cats that they knew and cared about in life. They both know Flametail. He's not a bad cat, and he doesn't deserve to have his afterlife stripped away.

Then there's Beetlewhisker, and Antpelt. Ivypool would've been training alongside them as well, they're friends too, she knows and cares about them. And they die. Hawkfrost kills Beetlewhisker's ghost without hesitation, and suddenly Ivypool is looking at him differently. Hawkfrost has been training with all of them. He knows these cats, too. What was he capable of, really? Could he, and would he, turn his claws on her too?

She tells everything to Lionblaze, who wasn't present for the training sessions where Beetlewhisker and Antpelt died. In the living world, they talk things over, confessing their doubts about the Dark Forest's plans and whether anything will actually change for the better.

Eventually I think they tell Jayfeather and Dovewing everything, and this is when they transition from True Believers into Spies. Lionblaze is obviously their best in with the actual Dark Forest cats, he's close with and trusted by Tigerstar and Hawkfrost, so he brings the details about their plans to the Clans. Ivypool is more in-tune with the other living trainees, and is tasked with discovering their true loyalties.

I think a Lot of characters would benefit greatly from shifting the plot line like this; it makes Lionblaze WAY less boring and gives him more interesting and complex relationships, and makes Ivypool much more involved as well.

I am once again pondering Jay/Holly/Lion and how their powers really fell short of 'holding the power of the stars in their paws' so Consider:

Lionblaze's power isn't just simple invincibility; he's the only living cat who can kill a dark forest (or starclan) warrior. Honestly I think this would boost the stakes of things Considerably. If a dead cat can harm the living but not the other way around, that makes the Dark Forest a real threat. In the books there's so few of them that it's honestly pretty laughable that they think they could win, even if a few of the living cats turned traitor.

Could also add an incentive for the Dark Forest trainees to turn traitor, too; if they know that no one can physically stop these dead warriors from going on their killing rampage, they may try to save themselves by fighting on their side, believing that trying to stop them is a fruitless.

SO, it makes the Dark Forest scarier, AND makes Lionblaze all the more terrifying; he could fight every clan cat alive and never be hurt, and he's the only one who can fight against the dark forest. The clans have no way to defend themselves without this One Single Guy and now literally ALL the pressure is on his shoulders.

That ALSO makes him terrifying to Starclan. Throughout he arc Starclan are somewhat insistent on meddling but hesitant to actually help the Three progress, which would sort of makes sense if they realize what Lionblaze's powers are capable of; if he can kill Dark Forest warriors, he can kill Starclan cats, too. They're being exceedingly weird and cautious because they're terrified of what could happen if the Three, particularly Lionblaze, turn on them.

Which in turn makes his time in the Dark Forest much more compelling. Starclan has a damn good reason to believe Lionblaze will not fight on their side.

In the end, it will be him who decides this battle.

#warrior cats #Ivypool #lionblaze #jayfeather #hollyleaf #dovewing #fanfic #rambles

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multi-lefaiye · 2 years ago

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Shag anon but im putting on a warrior cats mask rn. THERE STUFF U MISSED!! First off, Cats cant taste sweet stuff, but im pretty sure medicine cats use honey to hide food bc its sweet. And i wanna actually expand ur reach rq bc we have Midnight and Rock hanging out who just feel extremely weird even in the context of the series. Maybe its just power creep but theres a whole fuckin badger that is meowing out there. Theres even foxes!! Im still pissed about hollyleaf and the fox cub bc she 100% couldve raised the cub BUT theres a short story out there i swear. where graystripe is in charge while firestar is gone and a fox is hunting prey so the clans get together to chase it out, but by the end graystripe realizes the fox A) understands them, B) has cubs, and C) sorta tells the fox to leave and the fox NODS and leaves??? Idk if im imagining it i could be. I thought ivypool met a cat who speaked wolf for the LONGEST time but it was kid me reading fanfic and taking it as fact and my friends had to tell me that, no, there was no cool wolf cats. Anyways i am gonna touch on cat behavior real quick, arent male cats suuuuper aggressive about mates? Also there is a throwaway line about leafpool getting plump so she did grow a stomach while pregnant but ig everyone just thought thunderclan was eating well (theres problems with THAT too since theres be other signs but, like you said. no cat sex ed). Theres also the fact that humans would 500% find out about the clans some way or another. You're telling me that no one thought it odd that literally hundreds of cats were in the forest? Or that they made structures and dens? or saw then travelling and grouping up and shit??? Anyways cats are aliens thats why cat heaven is called StarClan

SCOOB AND SHAG ANON U AND I ARE BROTHERS IN ARMS- unless you don't like that term in which case I will respectfully high five you and say we are Besties. Or something. The point is that I think you're cool and I love reading your thoughts-

But yes THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING MY THEORY. MY COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE AND CORRECT THEORY ABOUT WARRIOR CATS. (context: [link])

I'm going fucking feral holy shit you're so right about all of this. I've always been so intrigued and confused by Midnight tbh--it's been a while since I read the books, but there's never any real.... canon confirmation on like Anything about her. I enjoy her existence for narrative reasons, but what's happening here. Millie speaks dog, Midnight speaks cat.... whadda hell

Also that Greystripe story and Hollyleaf with the fox cub.... there's a lot of potential for interesting dynamics with this series regarding the idea that the cats aren't the only sentient animals, but the series just doesn't address that most of the time. Though honestly that's kind of just a point with the series as a whole--lots of interesting concepts get brought up that are just never elaborated on.

(Also as a side-note, this reminds me of a story arc we did in a Warriors RP group I used to be part of. Long story short, it was about the foxes fucking unionizing to take out the clans, and it was really intense but also super interesting and had a lot of interesting fox NPCs who showed up. My favorite was the one-eyed vixen and her gay son <3)

AND ALSO ON THE NOTE OF THE HUMANS FINDING OUT, THAT ALSO BOGGLES MY MIND... THE CATS LIVE SO CLOSE TO CIVILIZATION. HOW HAS NO ONE FUCKING NOTICED. This was actually one thing that was addressed in that rewrite I mentioned that I liked--it suggested the concept of the humans being aware of the clan cats and like... making the clans' territory a protected national park of sorts, b/c imagine how amazing it'd be for tourism to show off these wild cats living in societies and having complicated rules and religions.

God what I wouldn't give to be an anthropologist in the Warriors universe studying cat societies

Anyway on the note of behavior as well, that was actually the thing in the rewrite that put me off reading it ASDFJKL;. It had a moment where Firepaw was super aggressive towards a kit b/c Instincts and it established like... a canon thing that toms aren't allowed nearthe nursery b/c they will try to harm kits that aren't theirs. I don't know how true that is to cat instincts, and I can definitely see that as an interesting concept to explore, but child death is like one of the three things that actively puts me in a really bad headspace when I encounter it without warning so I noped the fuck outta there.

Also man. Fireboy wouldn't do that. Not my orange man. He's built different.

Anyway I think you're 100% correct and I'm going to stand by this theory forever actually. Gonna rewrite Warrior cats but with the context that the cats are aliens (I am not going to do this).

#talk to the bunnykitty #scoob and shag anon #genuinely this ask delighted me so much thank you #warrior cats #the cats aren't cats theory #i'm gonna make a tag for this #that's the tag #also on the note about leafpool i think it probably does come down to the lack of literally any sex ed in the clans #i understand not wanting to include it explicitly in the books #but not even establishing like.... some kind of thing even off-handedly #b/c like. are you telling me that only meddies can identify pregnancies #after a certain point there's a lot of signs u can't just ignore #wait ok new headcanon #there's so many unwanted pregnancies in warriors b/c only meddies get sex end #and i'm going to arbitrarily blame a random background character for this #because i think i'm the funniest man alive #anyway ripplestar. the leader who dies b/c Act Of God takes him out #im blaming him he decided that the clans don't have sex ed #prove me wrong (you can't)

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OHHH Hollylark is a Tom I got it- this whole time I thought Spark was just getting herself a wife instead. While I do love lesbian Sparkpelt, Tom Hollylark is very nice

The idea of combining the two is also a really cool idea. I’d never of thought of it. If it’s not spoilers for the rewrite how did this change come along or how will it change/tweak the narrative?

I'm so invested in this AU, you have no idea. Question! So Hollylark is two characters combined into one, but he still becomes Sparkpelt's mate, even though Hollylark is Lionblaze's son? And Sparkpelt is Squirrelflight's daughter? Do I understand that correctly or did I miss something?

@katiek101 (Combining this reply into this ask)

The change came along because I was overhauling the family tree! Lionblaze is a major reason why the current tree is so messy, with THREE reproductive kits in ThunderClan alone, with a total of EIGHT grandchildren.

I think it'll also be better for there to be less direct Firestar descendants in general. With my rework, now the only direct grandchildren of Firestar are from Dovewing (in ShadowClan ironically), Ivypool, and Hollylark.

And hell, it's weird they never did anything with Hollytuft! I'm fixing that.

Squirrelflight

Sparkpelt is no longer a child of Squirrelflight! Squirrelflight is completely infertile and will not be giving birth to her own children. Sparkpelt and Alderheart are the children of Jessy and Bramblestar, with Spark being named after her father's beloved mentor, Firestar.

(as a side note, I also imagine Sparkpelt is a really dark orange with bold stripes, like an auburn Tigerclaw. Her amber eyes stand out from her gloomy pelt, like sparks.)

Instead, Squirrelflight is Sparkpelt's mentor! The two of them end up super close, with Squilf being someone extremely reliable in Spark's life as Bramblestar still has a ton of personal issues.

How else does this change the narrative?

Hollylark is from Lionblaze's second litter following the events of OotS. Cinderheart didn't learn about how badly he pushed their first litter until shortly before they were born. He sent one of their children into Hell as a spy! He ruined the other one's childhood with a prophecy he barely even understood! It takes her a time to trust him again.

So, he's doing everything he can to prove to her that he can be better for this one... but in the meanwhile, he is not allowed to be involved in the early childhood of this litter. I imagine this causes some issues for Holly, growing up feeling like he's caught in the middle of an argument he doesn't really understand.

But he DOES know that Hollyleaf sounded like an honorable, noble woman. That's something both parents agree on, that they love and miss her very much. Legacy is something Holly struggles with.

And that's something he really bonds with Spark over. Grappling with legacy, the goodness of Firestar, they share an interest in stories and tradition. Absolute birds of a feather, and that's a reason why it absolutely breaks Sparkpelt when she loses him. She loses her very best friend, one she's had since childhood, when they were expecting their first litter.

He would have made an excellent father. And he is, watching over her from StarClan, with their daughter Flickerflame.

I won't be changing anything about ASC until all six books are completely rolled out, but I will say this; Nightheart inherits Hollylark's adoration for old stories. That shared interest reminds Spark a lot of Holly, and it leads Night to learn a lot about WindClan tunnelers, Leopardstar, TigerClan, so on.

#I'm absolutely unconcerned about spoilers btw!#I believe strongly that a good story isn't ruined by them #Feel free to ask me anything about whatever #Bonefall Rewrite #BTW I did consider lesbian Sparkpelt and Hollylark by having Hollylark be transfemme but I doubted myself too much and didn't commit to it #I would like to have Hollylark be very gnc however #Hmm... genderfluid Hollylark... I am looking.#Father!Lionblaze AU #Sparkpelt #Hollylark #Squirrelflight

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mallowstep · 4 years ago

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I'd love to hear some ✨StarClan Slander✨ from you

starclan fucking sucks and i'm not afraid to say it.

ugh. where to begin.

okay, starclan sucks in a lot of different ways. like, a lot. it sucks from a narrative perspective, it sucks from a lives-of-cats perpsective, and it sucks from a worldbuilding perspective.

like: starclan is incredibly inconsistent as worldbuilding. it. gah. that part is most in my control when i write, so i try to really like. maximize said control. but if you compare the description of fireheart getting his nine lives to any modern starclan scene, it pisses me off. starclan is so fucking Cool, and now it's not.

i could go on for a while, but it's more of the same.

and then from a narrative perspective like. it causes so many problems. and i don't mean starclan causes problems for the characters, i mean starclan is simultaneously the cause of a lot of problems while the narrative wants us to believe they are the good guys. starclan causing problems? interesting. starclan causing problems but they're Very Good Actually? lazy.

this is a small thing but like it bothered in tbc? okay so. the fact that the clans' relationship to starclan has changed doesn't bother me. it's really interesting. they've been through this time of massive upheaval, something which often correlates with this uptick in spirituality.

i do not need convincing to believe that as the clans have gone through these past ten or fifteen years, with an exodus and the whole great battle (even setting aside the religious implications and just focusing on: big battle, lots of betrayal, lots of death), and everything with skyclan and darktail, yeah!

like, there was a spiritualism wave in the us after the civil war because that's what people/humanized cats do in those times. they latch on to spirituality and religion. why do you think witchcraft is on an uptick again in modern times?

however the problem is the Narrative never acknowledges this, which makes it feel not like an intentional culture change but authors being lazy. i'm not sure what's worse: authors just leaning on starclan because it's interesting and easy, or authors simply failing to convey the nuances of culture change.

whichever makes the erins sound better, pick that one. i have no lost love for them, but i try to keep my criticisms factual.

anyway, i digress, here's my favourite example:

in tbc, it's this Big Deal how the moonpool is the place of the medicine cats, and other cats cannot enter, Nope No Sir, which, like, really fucking confused me.

what?

do leaders not speak with starclan anymore? is that. is that not a thing?

i mean, in tpb, leaders visit the moonstone all the time. apprentices visit it before coming warriors. it's pretty normal.

and i'm fine with the culture of the clans changing for the moonpool to be a medicine cat exclusive: that does not fundamentally bother me. there's even the smallest nod to this idea in po3, during outcast, when they mention that the tradition of going to the moonstone/pool has fallen out of favour, and maybe that's bad.

and like, yeah, okay: i don't really understand Why it fell out of favour, especially in thunderclan. thunderclan had the Longest journey to the moonstone, and now they have either the shortest journey or one of the shortest, so there's really no excuse, but like. that's diaspora, you lose things, i'm okay with that.

what i'm not okay with is the sudden transformation of the moonpool to a Holy Place only Medicine Cats can touch. like, mothwing has been to the moonstone: she knows this isn't how it was. the others are young enough to not know, but then, when did this idea get started? who put it in their heads? why?

jayfeather has had so much pov, it wouldn't be hard to explain. he could've even taught alderpaw about it. or something could've been slipped into an early shadowpaw chapter. it really would not have taken much: a single line in outcast or something was all i needed to accept the moonstone/pool visitation tradition was dead (even if i think it should've continued), but unless i've forgotten, this is just. never explained.

this is how it Always Was (even though it wasn't, and there are cats who should Know it wasn't).

heck! heck! mistystar shared tongues with starclan in her novella. i don't remember where riverclan was during this scene in tbc, but my point is more. someone should've been able to say something. anything.

probably before the actual scene, given how few cats would know about this: bramblestar should since he was made a warrior in the forest territory, but i'll give the other leaders a pass. all i need is like. one line. from one cat. that's it. that's all i need.

finally, starclan obviously is uhhh. evil? it's evil, right, we can all agree? there is no evil starclan au we're In the evil starclan au, i should write a good starclan au.

the thing about this one is like. it's a product of the others. if starclan wasn't Real and Tangible, then like. then like. it wouldn't matter that they gave shitty advice and did terrible things, because now you just have cats dreaming of others, searching for answers in the Strict Code, and that would all make sense.

(did that paragraph like. read? i can't tell. basically, if starclan wasn't confirmed as a real thing with real dead cats, i would be fine with starclan cats being shitty and ooc, because now it's not actual cats we know and love, it's other cats' perceptions, memories, and inferences of them as they search their ancestors for guidance from the warrior code.

so of course their advice is going to be terrible and inconsistent and leafpool is going to decide spottedleaf said she should have kits and then starclan is going to backflip when the kits are born: all of that makes complete sense as long as starclan isn't an actual place. as long as it's just religion, just dreams and omens, there is no problem with that.)

and then if starclan like. if their role in the clans had been covered more thoroughly by the narrative. if how they gave shitty advice a lot was covered. i would also be okay with it.

but the best we get is mothwing's whole "yo uh. starclan doesn't save cats. i save fucking cats. give me my god damn credit for saving your fucking life." like that's a bad thing no. mothwing. queen. please continue ur so right.

and just as a cherry on top, the ableism in starclan is exhausting. it's its own thing, really, but like. i was talking with @foxstride about this. and like. how disabled cats will just have their disabilities erased.

personally, i'm okay with briarlight not being disabled in starclan. i think that makes sense for her character. i think it is Bad that the narrative's response to that was "now that she's dead she's finally happy again!", it should have been "thunderclan failed to give briarlight the actual support she needed to be happy", but the fact that she's not disabled in starclan doesn't actually bother me.

she was sick basically 100% of the time after her accident, and thunderclan was really shitty to her. do you remember how happy she was to "get" to sleep in the warriors' den? she was a fucking warrior that was her right.

thunderclan failed her, but the takeaway is "she couldn't be happy until she was dead and her disability was magicked away." that's bad. that's. i'm not okay with that part of it.

(briarlight deserves so much better than thunderclan.)

but for pretty much every other instance of it, there's none of that. maybe, maybe, you could make a similar argument for cinderpelt, but i would disagree with it.

my cinderpelt opinion is and always has been: she would never have chosen the path of being a medicine cat for herself, but she ultimately finds happiness and fulfillment with it. like, it wasn't right that she was forced to become a medicine cat because of her accident, but it was something she did ultimately enjoy and was happy to dedicate her life to. if she was given the chance to become a warrior after she had been a medicine cat for a while, she wouldn't have taken it.

it's part of why when i'm doing like. big time aus for warriors i still make her a medicine cat. because i like her growing to love it. i like that it's not right, how it happens, but she still loves it eventually. it's a very interesting idea to me that there aren't many characters to explore it through. jayfeather and alderheart are similar, but not in the same way. anyway i'm rambling because these are all the things i thought about when writing stolag, back on topic.

so i don't think cinderpelt should have her disability poofed by starclan, i think she should keep it. i also think that cats who are injured and then aren't disabiled in starclan should be representitve of that. they should be the age before they got injured.

briarlight should be apprentice aged, a hypo-cinderpelt should also be apprentice aged. this is something i'm fine with. i make hollyleaf apprentice aged in starclan because i think she was happiest before the ending of po3.

moving on: snowkit? can apparently hear? wtf?

and y'all already know how much i hate that jayfeather can see in his dreams. i said No that's Not Canon anymore and no one (no one) can stop me.

in conclusion: starclan is bad in a lot of ways, and if it weren't so damn inconsistently bad, i think i wouldn't hate it half as much.

#ask #essay #starclan #anon #long #mine #txt

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sunspot-illustrations · 4 years ago

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Gush about your fave characters pls!! <3

OK SO

You know I love Icecloud right?? I love her so much and I love thinking about how she interacted with the rest of her family and clan.

Icecloud and Foxleap were extremely close as kittens, like, Dovekit and Ivykit close or Squirrelkit and Leafkit close! When they became apprentices they didn't let being apart more get in the way of their relationship. They live each other a lot and balance each other out. Ferocious taught them to talk out their issues and never let any distance get between them (likely her learning from her own mistakes a little too late with Ashfur n Cloudtail) (also that moonkitti video of her stressing out about who was gonna change Mousefur's bedding when she graduated is canon, that happened)

Speaking of Cloudtail they're pretty close too! Since Whitewing was her mentor and Whitewing always finds time to spend with her parents, Icepaw got to reconnect with her mother's foster brother in a way her older sibling Birchtail never got too. She's also tried to reconnect with her older brothers as well but while Birchfall was willing to connect a little, Spiderleg didnt want to talk at all and ignored her and Foxleap's attempts. She tries not to hold it agaisnt him but she cant help but feel a little bitter towards him now.

Icecloud, to me anyways, feels like that really quiet chill friend who's been bottling up every emotional issue they've had for years cause they're the "good kid" and they dont wanna cause a scene. Icecloud wants everyone to be able to relax and be happy but she cant do it for herself until everyone else is first. Also she's older than fox by a few minutes so it Eldest Child Syndrome out the butt for her. Just like her gf Hollyleaf :)

I've also changed my LGBT HC for Icecloud! She's now a non-binary lesbian who uses She/They pronouns! None of Ferncloud's children are stright or cis~

I'm also love Thornclaw too?? He has....0 personality outside of what the erins need but the POTENTIAL FOR HIM. The 'least' accomplished sibling of Bracken Bright and Cinder? Watching both his sisters getting hurt and having had the opportunity to stop Brightpaw and Swiftpaw but didnt? Do you think he felt guilty about it?? Him being on patrols constantly looking out for dogs or other potential dangers, him just being a stright workaholic cause he can't bring himself to rest when he could've stopped his sister from getting mauled.

Speaking of which I HC him and Bright as the twins instead of him and Bracken. They've got matching white patches and floofy necks and blue eyes and everything. Also Thornkit was a mama's boy and he didnt want to leave Frostfur when they were being made apprentices and Brightkit didnt wanna leave him so they stayed in the nursery longer, together.

Also can we all agree he's asexual?? He never showed an interest in a mate or kits and that was fine and dandy! Thornclaw is a cool uncle to his nieces and nephews! He trained his niece Poppypaw! She can see right through his stoic facade and see the mushy "I would kill and die for my family" tom underneath and she loves her uncle! Even if he has the emotional range of a shallow puddle.

I could see thornclaw either being very superstitious or very logical and defiantly a little paranoid. After everything with Bluestar I just imagine he's...ever so uncomfortable with authority as well. Like, he trusts Firestar of course! But deep down he was just waiting for him to slip up one day and then the Po3 climax happened and he just...oof. Now he doesn't even trust the Leafpool of all people and all visits to the den are awkward as all hell now.

Pouncestep and Lightleap are so, SO, underutilized!! Give me Shadowsight's nosy, loving sisters!! Gimme Pouncestep who takes after Tigerheart coat wise but is an emotional carbon copy of dovewing! I want a Pounce who is an open book and emotional and wants her siblings to come to her when they're upset. NOSEY LIGHTLEAP getting into everyone's business cause she thinks she can help them out, especially her little brother whom she loves sooo much! Light and Pounce who know the borders are important but they wanna come with Mama to see auntie Ivy and their cousins! Pounce and Light who's arc is trying to get their mom and aunt to reconcile and reconnect so they have more kin to harass hang out with

Acknowledge the ThunderShadow Cousins Erins. Give me Thrift and Flip hanging out with Pounce and Light while their protagonist siblings go off doing...whatever it is they do. Give me Bristle and Shadow's siblings dog piling them so they can relax for 5 seconds good grief you guys. Also, completely off topic but i think Shadowsight should've been Shadowspire instead cause that has Spiresight's og name and it sounds cool as hell.

Ok i should probably stop there cause this is....a lot

#warrior cats #icecloud #i love her!#hollyice #raggy rambles #battle strategy #ask #asked and answered #lesbiandicegoblin #thornclaw #pouncestep #lightleap #so many cats #so long im so sorry #long post

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