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ellohallohiya · 4 months ago
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the hunger games fanfic idea
y'all I had this idea to write a thg fanfic. so the story starts like way before the reaping, months before it. and we're introduced to several kids from the same district and we go through just their average lives, y'know. fleshing them out as people. being around people. going to work, school, doing hobbies if they can or just enjoying or getting pissed off at little things. like there would be 6-10 of these characters and they're just living life and any of them could be reaped when the time comes, and you don't know who. and you would be scared because you like all of them maybe, even if you don't like all of them, you see they have a life to live, maybe you would even choose favorites you wouldn't wanna be reaped, or ones that you wish were reaped in (probably not)
and then I get attached to them but I make two of them get reaped for the games and they go through ups and downs. and you don't know whether they'll live or not because I didn't give them plot armor. and then you'd be really sad if they both did actually die because you read over their average daily life. you read them interacting with their friends and family and going to work and school, and just being a kid. before they were shot with the terror of just being reaped for the games, before even entering the arena
and if one of them lives they'll come out with trauma and their life changed forever. and you remember reading them being happy, hanging out with their friends, messing around at school, having a rare meal with their family, just happy they had the time and food, and then all that goes away and you don't get to read a moment where they have that again. and even if you do they're completely changed. and this is if they win
in the arena you saw a previously normal kid, fight, hide, struggle for their life. you at least read one of them with their life flashing before their eyes. or them regretting everything they did in that arena. or their mind so numb to even think properly because of the pain they're enduring. maybe they beg to be spared or beg to be killed. you saw what that kid was like just a couple months before, a couple weeks before, a couple days before, just minutes before, unaware they were going to die like this
you remember meeting their family and friends and laughing or relating or just getting so interested at their dialogue, or their personality, their character, who they were in the tributes life. or not really, but you still can't help but feel sympathy. how they interacted with the now tribute, the kid who got reaped. how do you think they would react a to them dying slowly in pain, or so quick they couldn't think in that moment? they were just with them, just a few weeks ago
imagine them killing a kid. another kid. you might've been rooting for them too. you were rooting for the character to kill another kid to survive. you realize that kid had their own life and family and you're just rooting for somebody you know better. maybe I might even give all the tributes POVs and backstories
anyways it would be cool to read a thg fic where the author continuously humanizes the tributes. gives them all friends and families and memories and homes and lives to get back to. we can't help but wish all of them went back home, without all the horrors. but we know only one lives. you could theorize or root for one. but it's like... you're a Capitolite. and you read how the Capitol dehumanizes, forgets, or idolizes these kids. but you know how they were back home. and you see how different they're acting already. you can see how they all die
and with what I said at the start. starting with several kids who could all be reaped as the female or male tribute of their district. they didn't get reaped that year. they could've been reaped. some of them could still get reaped. you could've read all these other kids try and die, or give up... and die
but yeah this would be a lot of planning with POVs and consistencies and stories to make sense, and making every character (who fits the criteria, 14 or over in age) seem like they have a chance at winning. they could win, any of them
just an idea for me to maybe get to. and for other thg fanfic writers to get interested in, and maybe write their own take on this (sorry this is such a confusing read this is mostly unedited and this is just a blurb)
if anybody already used this concept and wrote a fic, or is continuously updating it still, can y'all send it to me?
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literallymikewheeler · 8 months ago
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i fully believe that after the war, peeta loved katniss even more then he did before.
like, this man was trained to KILL katniss, yet he still fell back in love.
his original love towards katniss was first, and unconditional love. he saw her as beautiful no matter what and failed to see a lot of her flaws. however, when he gets hijacked, her flaws are ALL he notices about her. the line "you're not very big, are you? or particularly pretty?" makes it clear that the old peeta is gone (or is he??🤨) and he is noticing for the first time that katniss is completely average looking. but while the book progresses, so does peetas feelings for katniss (obviously.) this is most apparent when he blocks her from killing herself. why did he do that?? he didnt have to. he owed her nothing.
but he couldn't. and whether he knew it or not, he couldn't live without her. he was still trying to protect her.
the very end of the book is when we see the most love come from peeta (and again, obviously.) whether it is the fact that he came back to 12, or that he planted primroses for prim, he loves her. platonically and romantically. and i think that after all they have been through, it is just beautiful. and eventually seeing that he feels comfortable enough to sleep with her again, after he was hijacked to try to kill her every chance he got, it shows that he trusts himself a lot more around her.
finally the ending "you love me? real or not real?" "real." confirms that not only did he love katniss, but she loved him too.
anyways thanks for coming to my tedtalk!
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msmk11 · 4 months ago
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lowkey makes me sad sometimes because I feel like all the female fictional characters I love get wayyyy less love, recognition, fics/fanart than their male counterparts and it sucks!!
I’m victim of it too sometimes but like where is more love for the marauders girlies? Lucy Gray Baird? Johanna Mason? They’re all so iconic and all these fandoms don’t talk about it enough!!
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thefloatingwriter · 2 months ago
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Abt victors being complex - that's why my personal unpopular headcanon is that most of them didn't have positive feelings about Katniss or Peeta. Because let's be real for a moment, even if you're the nicest person in the world or the most broken and beaten down by the Capitol and the Games: you would think "why wasn't I enough? Why didnt people care enough about me to riot? Why do I have to go through this hell again? Why did they get to break the rules?" And tbh, KP's naivety as victors, from that perspective, would be absolutely grating, they never really seem to Get It until its too late and everyone else has to pay for their mistakes.
yes!!! this!!!! you get it!!!!!
katniss and peeta never had to go through the normal Victor Experience with the pain of mentoring or victor prostitution or the companionship within the victors. they just don’t Get It, like you said. and that’s not their fault!! the capitol shows these people hanging off capitol citizens arms, oohing and awing at everything in their path every year, fully convincing everyone that the victors are happy. that they want to be here, away from their home and families hanging off of strange men and women’s arms. they depict the perfect victors, who smile and wave and sign autographs. victors like chaff and haymitch get about five seconds of screen time before being pushed aside because they’re not interesting, they’re not the focus, they’re not complying with the image we are depicting. they don’t conform with the images we are showing to our citizens.
i truly believe that there was no way all of the victors liked katniss and peeta. actually, i don’t think many of the victors liked katniss and peeta. as in, there was probably like two that genuinely liked them. and also, from their perspective, these are the reason they’re going back into the arena!! none of the victors wanted to do that!!!
we really need more complex victors representation in this fandom…
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lovebeatriceplz · 1 month ago
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“I only felt sorry for him because of how Tom Blyth-“ expect it’s not Tom it’s actually just his character. No you’re not crazy, he did actually rise to power by being attractive. When I say attractive I don’t mean just in a physical way (how he looks his features etc) I mean he has an intelligent mind, talents of some sort, charm, he’s charming enough to come off as well bred and not necessarily snobby. He played on Lucy Gray’s emotions, whether he realized it or not, and I have a hunch that him sharing his struggles with money gave him an edge to win over her heart, he made it seem as if they could relate, as if he understood the concept of what living in her world was like, even though he knows (see he knows, he picked apart her weaknesses and tried to manipulate her, which seems to be like his main strategy for everything) that it couldn’t be further from the truth. I really wished we got more of Snow in his twenties to mid thirties era, which was more than likely his peak in the political domain, I have so many questions, like did he stick to picking people apart and manipulation as I said? When did he start resorting to poison? Maybe we’ll see more of that in sunrise on the reaping. I hate him, but his writing is so good you can’t help but want to know more. In this essay we will-
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marylily-my-beloved · 6 months ago
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winters-rose-daughterofcain · 4 months ago
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Romance and love are not a distraction. They are not lesser they are not frivolous they are not a silly childish expectation added to stories for a happier ever after. You are not better for not caring about romance, you're not smarter for being more interested in the main plot of a piece of media than the main couple. Romantic love is one of the strongest bonds we have, it can bring people together in a wonderful way and a well written relationship between people who love each other, can say more about philosophy and character and growth then most grand sweeping adventure. Finding love and keeping it, having trust in someone else and showing the venerability a relationship takes, fighting for another person, it's compelling. It pushes people to improve it brings out the best and sometimes the worst in them, it is humanity in the backdrop of war and tragedy and injustices that is the centre point, that's the hope of stories. Romantic love or a persons love interest is not a weak or pathetic motivation either, it's realistic. People will go through hell for the people they care about, for the people they love, and sometimes it's stronger than the noble plot focused reason you've decided should be their motivation. Some people- most people, don't want to save the word or repay a debt or discover some power in themselves, they want to keep the people they love safe, they want to stay with the person they love.
Obviously romantic love is not the only kind that can motivate someone, nor the only kind that can be fulfilling, nor dose it have to be the main kind of love in someones life. I agrees actually that platonic and familial love should be focused on more and respected more as it can be just as important as romantic. Just as, not more. If you're fine with the love someone feels for their sister or child bringing their motivation then anything they do that is motivated by love they feel for someone romantically should be just as valid. Romance dose not make something less deserving of respect, it dose not diminish it or make it simpler and it dose not take away from the message. A focus on the love of friends and family dose not take away from romantic love, people can love multiple people in different ways in equal amounts.
You're not better or smarter or understand the text's deeper meaning more because you want a traumatised young girl to end up alone and not with the person she loves because you don't care about the romance. Good for you you don't have too. No one has to care about shipping or relationships or romantic love, but it doesn't make you better than anyone that dose. The idea that romance has no value other than silly fan service and a distraction from the big important main plot is outdated, boring, over done, and quite frankly misogynistic in its conception and undertones. You don't like romance? Good for you!! You don't have to. You don't care about the relationships in a pieces of media?? Amazing!!!! No one is telling you to. You think platonic and familial should be focused on more and held to equal importance as romantic??? Oh my fucking god I agree with you what about that. But there is this weird superiority complex around SOME okay SOME people who find no interest in romance and it's fucking stupid.
Love holds value, it's a perfectly good and compelling and realistic motivation, romance can play an important role in plot and story and character, it can be an amazing way to explore philosophy and relationships and basic human feelings and experiences. There is so so much romantic love can add to a story, it's not a necessity no, just like romantic love is not a necessary part of some peoples lives, some stories don't need it. But some do. Romance can and dose hold value, and recognising, caring about, and analysing that has never and will never take away from any other part of a story.
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lumiapricity · 6 months ago
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ellohallohiya · 3 months ago
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District 1 Headcannons
Kind of unorganized so sorry about that. This is really just a blurb to get all my random headcannons out of the top of my head
Also some topics may get dark and uncomfortable (it's Panem sorry) so if you don't feel safe reading, don't? Thank you for watching out for yourself
INDUSTRY
District 1 is divided into artisans, performers, and factories
Artisans have a wide range of things like glassblowing, gem cutting, woodworking, sculpting, painting, etc.
Performers are usually singers, dancers, musicians, gymnasts, athletes, courtesans, and more
Factories mass produce luxury items (such as sunglasses or bags) that are later usually customized and extra decorated
There are also factories that produce plastic, rubber, similar materials, and recycle them
Types of artisans and performers are separated into 'guilds' to specialize
This is usually chosen out from the kids' performance in these activities that could be seen as beneficial in their specific subindustry
Often times the skill is passed through family so they do that
Rarely they get to choose the subindustry they be in
Most of the time they enjoy it to a degree, since usually talent correlates with passion. They kind of hate it after deadlines and pressures and being forced to make works they don't even like
Performers are usually tough trained from a young age and are strictly conditioned
Performers usually travel to the Capitol to entertain them. There's usually circuses or big groups of them who perform and travel together for best synergy and performance
They kind of are like family (similar to the Covey and other traveling groups)
Courtesans are fancy prostitutes (usually being bought and belonging to only one person instead of being tossed around in the streets from person to person)
Courtesans are mostly children sold by their parents for high prices(there's sadly a good amount of this since there's only one orphanage in the District)
These children are sold into three (main?) categories, sex trafficking, personalized avox/slave, and organ harvesting
After the children are sold they look at their genetics to see if they'll grow up to be naturally attractive, have more strength capabilities, have healthier/better functioning organs
Depending on their attributes they get sorted
A good amount of Capitolites wouldn't like a former criminal to be their avox (some of them like the novelty of having a war prisoner as an avox but some Capitolites are afraid they might revolt or fight back)
At a higher price, one can buy an avox from District 1 who wasn't a criminal, and was specially trained (for an ever longer time than average) to be a servant
They usually have better cooking, cleaning, managing, driving skills, etc.
Some Capitolites like to personalize their avox by giving them bodily adjustments/attachments. Really just modifying them to their aesthetic
Organ harvesting has to happen somewhere in Panem (especially with a country so corrupt) It happens in all the Districts, and even the Capitol, though mostly in District 1 where the population is on the higher end, but the valued/well-off population is very low
Used for a variety of things such as organ replacements for elite Capitolites, scientific research, mutt experimentation, and display (for people like Gaul)
Anyways it's usually the factory workers who end up losing their jobs, and their homes, and their everything who end up resorting to selling their children
I imagine the divide between artisans and performers/factory workers is similar to town/seam but worse
Factory workers can't really improve on their situation since they don't get practice or training for anything so unless they have a natural talent they stay in their spot
Most of them lose their jobs due to District 3's technology getting better, meaning they need less and less workers
That's it for now! I'll get into the propaganda and the career academy headcannons soon (hopefully)
Also, I have started a fic that's centered around District 1 right now. I'll try to include culture and norms into the story! But my writing is beginnerish and quite incompetent, so any comments, criticism, and compliments will be loved!
(I update incredibly slow and more so due to a new school year so sorry)
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atelierlili · 7 months ago
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This is the second time, this annoying asshole has come to crying/complaining about the skintone of MY Katniss. When it happened the first time, I gave the user the benefit of doubt as Katniss skin tone is only mentioned in the book and in the movies she's portrayed by the pale Jennifer Lawerence. But since this topic crop it's ugly head around again, it's coming off as very racist and woefully unwelcomed, @bethaniagia.
I want to preface this incase someone wants to twist my words, I have nothing against black people and I don't wish to offend anyone when I say my Katniss isn't black. I don't portray her the way I do with the intent to characterize her a person of black descent. Aside from being part Seam and Merchant, Katniss is racially ambiguous. The only canon thing we know from the books is that she has darker skin than those of the merchant class and sliver eyes. Therefore it's within my right to portray her however the fuck I want to portray her. And I portray her as someone as Seam descent.
Now i'm going to gush over MY Katniss because I love her exactly the way she is and no one will convince me otherwise to change her. I love her dark skin, the rich warm hue that's reminiscent of the woods and the forests she loves so dearly. I love how it makes her silver eyes pop and how it makes her favourite colour, green, shimmer off her skin. I love giving her a reddish, warm undertone, indicative of her inner fire. She's our girl on fire, after all.
I love how her darker skin tone is visual indicator off the very real class divide that exists within District 12 and how her relationship with Peeta and her mother and father, display that class CAN be crossed and genuine love can be find despite it all. Katniss holds her identity of Seam close to her. The movies cut it out, like it does many things, but that doesn't mean its no less important, no less meaningful. So if I wish to portray this class divide through her skin tone, I can and I will.
Anyway, @bethaniagia, I just want to say your behaviour is very not cool and its, quite plainly, shitty community/fandom etiquette and behaviour. I take time out of my day to share and create my silly drawings of Miss Katniss Everdeen kissing her boyfriend. If you don't like it, block and turn the other cheek. This kind of attitude KILLS engagement and fun in any community. It can cripple the the motivation to share work with the fandom. I don't give a shit. I do what I want. But I KNOW there are writers and artists that keep thier work to themselves because they're worried about blacklash from people like you.
Now, I don't expect you to give it nor do I expect you to read to the end of this post, but I'd like an apology, otherwise, I'll be blocking you at the end of the week. I'd like to keep this up long enough for you to read it. :)
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talkshowboyluvr · 8 months ago
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who's gonna tell him he too is doomed by the narrative
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mariiastales · 1 month ago
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opinion: I don’t think that persephone price ended up with festus creed
they surely dated for some time, however when snow began rising to power, he still kept festus around him as one of his “closest friends”. I think that persephone slowly realized that neither he nor her nor their future children (if they ever decided to have any) would ever be safe around snow. yet no matter how she tried to warn him, festus didn’t want to believe that his friend would ever harm him or his potential family. that was the driving reason for their breakup.
I think that the breakup was definitely traumatizing for persephone and that she suffered quite a lot, still feeling love for her high school sweetheart. she even thought of going back to him, yet she didn’t, because deep down she wanted nothing more than peace and safety. because that’s the tragedy of many high school sweethearts: realizing that you view your further lives differently.
I think persephone later went on to marry someone else, not rushing into marriage, just finding someone with a similar approach to life. I think her father disapproved of her choice, not understanding why she would chose someone much simpler and poorer instead of the affluent festus, who was quickly rising to power along his best friend. she lived a simple life in a quite residential area of the capitol. I think that the day her child was born was the day when she was truly glad of her modest life. yet when festus eventually fell victim to snow, she grieved for him for a long time after finding out about it, feeling immense guilt for not being able to convince him all those years ago. 
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caesarflickermans · 4 months ago
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Re: SOTR point of view and marketing.
Scholastic might have learned something from the net negative reaction following TBOSAS' reveal. Later on, we got an extract from TBOSAS before its release.
Maybe the reason they haven't given us a POV yet—if this is Plutarch's POV—is to announce that POV alongside a similar such extract.
Only this time, and to mitigate the disappointment they'd have received for an undesired Plutarch POV regardless, it will feature Plutarch watching and taking note of Haymitch. So people know that while this book will not be told by Haymitch, it will still feature him front and centre.
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under-a-lilac-moon · 3 months ago
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martin blackwood and peeta mellark....👀👀👀 soft, sweet, caring, always there for you, sure...but underneath they're both kinda manipulative lil bitches
both love deeply and desperately want their partners to be safe and happy, but are products of both their upbringings and their present circumstances, trying to make the best of a high-stress, dangerous situation with the future of the world hinging on them (plus a heap of trauma), their relationships inevitably veering dangerously into codependency
both are incredibly manipulative - whether they're helping or hurting, it doesn't really matter tbh, at the end of the day they manoeuvre their loved ones into situations without their consent (i'm thinking in particular of the fake pregnancy in thg, and martin trying to guilt jon into smiting avatars - not the best examples but i'm tired lol)
both lean on their significant other to help them through the apocalypse hellscape or dystopia hellscape respectively but can't really entirely understand the position their loved one is in, can't entirely get rid of the barriers and trust issues and anger built up over years, constantly looking for the answers and validation that the other can't necessarily give
both become a united front with their partners against those that wish to harm them, constantly defending the other physically and emotionally (and eldritchly) from their enemies - and their friends - but within that almost lose out on the space to be their own person, to develop self-worth, to figure out what's real or not real (sorry i had to)
both have a lot of trauma and have been through awful, awful stuff, and of course that impacts on how they relate to others, even if it's so easy to pretend it doesn't.
both are tragic, tragic figures.
and perhaps the main difference to their arcs is that katniss and peeta got the chance to heal and have a (hopefully) healthy relationship by the end and jon and martin....didn't
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little-de-vil · 3 months ago
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hello again! do you mind going more in depth about the cutters and keepers (and the ideological divide between them)? you’ve already mentioned that propaganda has affected the keepers more- is that a purposeful thing done by the captiol? or something perpetuated by the keeper community themselves? a mix of both?
Hello, dear! I'm going to write this with as much neutrality as possible because the lore I have created is long and extensive and I don't want that clouding this response.
I want to stick to as close to the canon as possible and my interpretation of the canon without having what I created leech through [especially since it tends to get jumbled in my head].
Get ready for another long one, Backpacks!
I have always believed that post-Dark Days there has to be that separation between trade and industry, especially in a district that then has two principle industries. Prior to the Dark Days, there was much more community between the trades-folk of 2, everything was very unified and friendly to an extent, which is why Katniss mentioning the first rebellion and the Victor tributes holding has as a sign of unity between the districts mirrors that community and solidarity (CF, 258).
But war changes things in unbelievable ways. There were those who remained loyal to the Capitol of course, by way of taking their names that have Greco-Roman origins (Strabo, Sejanus, Cato, Brutus, Enobaria), and then there were those who remained loyal to their people and their trade, who saw the military industry as a disruption to their work and community and traditions. They were more aware of their slavery once the military entered their lands and held a stronger Capitol favor.
Gale had a point when he said: "It's to the Capitol's advantage to have us divided amongst ourselves." (THG, 14)
District 2 is one know for its strength in not just its manufactured, propagandized kind, but prior to that when it was full of stonecutters, mountain-miners, blacksmiths, etc. and that strength is just as strong if not stronger after the Dark Days among the trades-folk. Where before there was a healthy delineation between the natural trades of the district, after the first rebellion that bond grew stronger and closer among the working-class because of the military invasion. There was less care put towards whether people mingled between a hewer or layer mason (historically hewer masons [those who cut the stone] was a far more contentious and lucrative job than a layer mason [those who set the stone]) and more of an effort to maintain their community as trades-folk in the face of an oppressive military who wanted nothing to do with them.
So the clear divide between the two industries was done by the Cutters in an effort to steer clear of both becoming a part of the propaganda (in both industry and Games-realted) and siding with the new invaders. There was a high likelihood of ostracization among the Cutter community to those who became Peacekeepers once it was exclusive to 2—prior to the first rebellion, I think it was seen more like how Plutarch had explained it "[as] a way for their people to escape poverty and a life in the quarries. They're raised with a warrior mind-set." (MJ, 83). I do see that last sentence as being more appropriate post-Dark Days, but that's neither here nor there.
As for the Keepers, they are an oppressive, invading force that were not welcomed by the natives of 2 at large, but they are also amazing at brushing that off if it meant more of a chance of wealth and success within the district (and within the Games too, of course). They knew that they were in better favor with the Capitol compared to the Cutters after the Dark Days and more so because they saw themselves as better than the Cutters, still District and not Capitol, but at least they weren't Cutters. And those who came from the Capitol to be stationed in 2? Well, they were all kinds of high and mighty! But as I said in a tik tok breaking down District 2 and my love for it: "the loyalty of District 2 has always been in something that has been Capitol made." (1:42-149).
In regards to the propaganda having more of an affect with the Keepers, I believe it is a mix of both and it has to be. The superiority complex of the Keepers (as in: those born and bred for it, not Cutters who join) comes from sustaining the Capitols favor but it is because of that propaganda that is so deeply imbedded into the district. Once they came into the picture as the new Capitol favorite, they didn't flaunt it so much as usurp it once various military installations came about, like The Nut, that did away with various Cutter work. Maintaining that "warrior mind-set" works with children who saw that as a thing of pride and not a thing to do out of poverty and upper class mobility. I still am having difficulty distinguishing both a timeline and an explanation for how the propaganda becomes successful within the Cutter community because I simply can't see it as A Thing™ without an intense feeling of betrayal to both your heritage and your people*, but again, that's a question for another day.
By Panem, I hope I answered this well! I feel like I kinda dropped the ball on the Keeper bit, but then again, I'm in the minority & don't give them much thought compared to everyone else.
*Please ask me if you want me to talk about Lyme in regards to that sentence because OH BOY IS THIS ALL ABOUT HER!
Also I almost started this with an excerpt from my silly OC fanfic but a ficlet of a scene, only to realize that my open statement completely contradicts that! Anyway, here it is at the end so you can't say I didn't do it in the actual answering of this ask!
Because if the years of watching District 2 pairs reach victory has taught her anything, it’s that those from 2 are loyal to their community. Of masonry or military. And that it’s the worst part of watching The Games in District 2, how much the animosity grows amongst the crowd at even the slightest difference in trade or birthplace is put to question the chance of triumph as one tribute falls.  But is the answer so simple? A mere difference in industry? In home? The Cutters: hewer and layer masons, quarry-folk, stone and crystal miners, blacksmiths. The Keepers: soldiers—the common grunt and almost unheard of 2 born general—, cadets in schools, Peacekeepers stationed throughout the country never to return for 20 years, the hundreds working in The Peak*. The southern desert folk and their blunt nature, intrenched in tradition that mirrors what it was before. The northern mountain people and their river sweet ways, creating new rituals after living so close to their invaded neighbors.  No, nothing as simple as that. Their mutual destruction is not an echo of past rivalries, but of present vows.
*What I think the natives of 2 call The Nut since that name came about by the 13 rebels, not the natives
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thefloatingwriter · 3 months ago
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the grand master post of all things D3
made by a person who definitely thinks about a district that was never actually canonically described a little too much
so. let’s get into the fun stuff!
District Three consists of two main “areas” or zones: the Stills and the city of Stepanov, which is the main city in Three, named after the first mayor of Three, who’s full name was Hewlett Stepanov. It is still a popular name in Three, especially with the wealthy, and the Stepanov family are respected highly by citizens.
if you’ve read my other posts about d3 and everything related to it, some of this is just restating but some of it is new so make sure to find that stuff! here are all of the posts: Beetee + Wiress headcanons | District Three Lore + List of Victors + even more Beetee + Wiress headcanons | Wiress did not grow up poor - opinion | Wiress with Cats | The Latier Family Tree [extended version] | even MORE Beetee + Wiress headcanons | Beetee headcanons pertaining to his childhood | Wiress headcanons pertaining to music + music that is most prevalent in Three | really random hcs about Beetee’s great grandparents | Beetee’s dynamic with the other victors + a little of Wiress and Beetee’s relationship | Beetee’s love language | Beetress headcanons | Beetee’s parents and home life headcanons | Beetee and religion | Beetee and Brutus friendship | Beetress first meeting | Beetee and English (plus beetress) | How beetress fell in love + Beetee’s realization | Beetee post-rebellion | Axel Latier (Beetee’s nephew) and Barbara Lisiecki (Wiress’ sister) headcanons | D3 Tributes headcanons | Is D3 an underdog district? | Wiress’ family and their feelings about her Games | Beetee and forced prostitution [cw: graphic description/depictions of forced prostitution] |
tags: dayne’s beetee tag | dayne’s wiress thoughts (TM) | the latier family | everything beetee/wiress is under beetress
fics: even here as we are standing now (i can see the fear in your eyes) [aka The Beetee Fic]
this will be separated into sections because i have a lot of thoughts lol
General Info:
District Three consists of the majority of Idaho/the Idaho Panhandle, some of west Washington, and east Montana. There also a tiny, tiny little bit of modern Oregon. D3 borders One to the south and east and Seven to the north and west.
The area that is considered “District Three” is not all used for living and the majority of it is forested land. Due to this, lumberyard workers from Seven travel the short distance from the two districts to harvest many of these trees. This is also true for miners from One in terms of gems.
Three makes and produces the vast majority of all technology used in Panem, cars, glass, and various drugs.
Child labor is a major issue, as children from the Stills begin working at factories as early as age four/five. Much of the time, there is an encompassing building attached to the factory that your parents work at for children who work.
Stepanov:
Saint Stepanov (typically shortened simply to Stepanov during the ADD¹/DHG²/BSR³ era) is the main city of Three where wealthier citizens live, or there version of Twelve’s “merchant class”. Adults who live here work as software developers and engineers, factory owners or managers, analysts, programmers, etc. These citizens typically live good lives with fulfilling jobs and nine times out of ten, no one will ever have to worry about where the food on the table comes from.
Only one year in Hunger Games existence were both children reaped were from the wealthier families of Three. The 48th Annual Hunger Games came as a shock to everyone, when both Wiress Lisiecki and Fortran Stepanov were reaped.
The square in Stepanov is where the Reapings take place. All children of reaping age can fit, but families usually have to stand in accompanying streets or are pushed to the back.
¹—After Dark Days | ²—During Hunger Games | ³—Before Second Rebellion |
The Stills:
The majority of Three’s population lives in poverty or on the cusp (about 120k out of 190k), in the area called the Stills, which consists of five separate neighborhoods/towns joined together by a square in the middle called The Interface. The Interface is where the main marketplace for the Stills is, including a popular bar called Harlow’s.
The majority of the Stills inhabitants work as factory workers/laborers. Almost always, these workers work in these jobs for their entire lives. They are not given the same opportunities as the citizens from Stepanov are. Due to this, a lot of animosity from both sides of the divide is very prevalent in everyday life.
Citizens from the Stills are taught from a young age about doing whatever it takes to survive. Because of this, tributes from the Stills typically do better in the Hunger Game than their wealthier counterparts.
— Midtown:
Midtown is the in between area to the Stills and Stepanov. Only around 10k of the overall population live here. Inhabitants of Midtown have jobs that include factory manager, training jobs, and about half of the jobs not pertaining to Three’s industry. People from Midtown are teachers, business/shop owners, and various other occupations.
Midtown is on the other side of Stepanov to the Stills, a short walk down a small hill. Due to the small population, few tributes in the Hunger Games are from Midtown, but there are exceptions. Examples of this include Circ Bauer, male tribute of the 10th Annual Hunger Games, and Matilyne Sanchez, female tribute of the 47th Annual Hunger Games. The 45th Games was the only year where both tributes from Three were from Midtown, with Coball Alves-Torres and Maple Adomaitytė.
Victors Village:
As of the Third Quarter Quell, there were five residents of Three’s Victors Village.
Address — Game — Name — Age at Victory
316 — 16th — Attican (“Atlas”) Hoffman — 16
340 — 40th — Beetee Latier — 19
348 — 48th — Wiress Lisiecki — 18
355 — 55th — Marie Teller — 17
368 — 68th — Haskell Nishimaru — 16
— The Victors:
Name: Attican Hoffman
Kill Count: Six
Type of Reaping: Regular reaping
Birthplace: Hewlett Memorial Hospital, Stepanov, District Three
Name: Beetee Latier
Kill Count: Nine
Type of Reaping: Rigged reaping
Birthplace: Apartment Building 9, Floor 6, No. 612, Three Falls, District Three
Name: Wiress Lisiecki
Kill Count: Five
Type of Reaping: Regular reaping
Birthplace: Hewlett Memorial Hospital, Stepanov, District Three
Name: Marie Teller
Kill Count: One (technicality; she caused six deaths, but only actually killed one)
Type of Reaping: Rigged reaping
Birthplace: Apartment Building 6, Floor 3, No. 321, Three Falls, District Three
Name: Haskell Nishimaru
Kill Count: Two
Type of Reaping: Regular reaping
Birthplace: Apartment Building 3, Floor 3, No. 387, Dreier Springs, District Three
Important Characters:
— Parents of Victors:
The Stills —
Ada Latier (née Brownstone) — mother of Beetee Latier. Lost her older sister, Cora Brownstone, to the sixteenth Games.
Linus Latier — father of Beetee Latier. Lost his younger brother, Hermes Latier, to the fourteenth Games. Linus and Ada found each other as the only person who understood the pain of losing a sibling to the Games.
Annabeth Teller (née White) — mother of Marie Teller. Family friend of the Latiers. Grew up in the Stills.
Fox Teller — father of Marie Teller. Grew up alongside Linus Latier and were childhood friends. Fox and Anna were the reason Ada and Linus met.
Stepanov —
Aurora Lisiecki — mother of Wiress Lisiecki. She runs a circus/theater group to entertain Threes and visiting Capitol citizens.
— Siblings of Victors:
Adeline Latier — younger sister of Beetee Latier. She’s younger than him by six years. She was thirteen when he was reaped.
Roent Latier — younger brother of Beetee Latier. He’s eight years younger than Beetee. He was eleven when he was reaped.
Tera Latier — younger sister of Beetee Latier. She’s ten years younger than Beetee. She was nine when he was reaped.
Ruther Latier — younger brother of Beetee Latier. He’s ten years younger than Beetee. He was nine when he was reaped. Tera and him are twins.
Dayta Latier — younger sister of Beetee Latier. She’s thirteen years younger than Beetee. She was six years old when he was reaped.
Barbara Lisiecki — older sister of Wiress Lisiecki. She’s four years older than Wiress and was twenty-two when she was reaped. Grew up in Stepanov but moved out to live in the Stills after she was expected to join the family business (the circus/theater group).
Various —
Amalia Remizova — female tribute of the 40th Hunger Games, age 13. Grew up in Stepanov.
Fortran Stepanov — male tribute of the 48th Hunger Games, age 18. Grew up in Stepanov.
Stefan Stepanov — older brother of Fortran Stepanov, Wiress’ district partner for the 48th Hunger Games. He was also in the same kindergarten class as Beetee. Grew up in Stepanov.
Additional Information:
Three is not an “Anyone But A Career” district. They have never been one.
Every single time a Three wins the Hunger Games, a victor from One precedes them. Every. Single. Time. Atlas was preceded by Harrison Sanford, Beetee by Paris Sanford, Wiress by Zircon (“Connor”) Lewis, Marie by Emerald Reeves, and Haskell by Augustus Braun.
Three’s victors are sometimes seen as a buffer between the careers and the outlying districts. Most of the citizens of Three don’t have a problem with the Careers, except for some people from Stepanov.
In Stepanov, residents celebrate what children refer to as “Tree Time” during December—families use left over trees from the workers from Seven and display them in their homes with generational ornaments. Every year, at least one new ornament is added to the tree. Some families use breakable plastic to put new year’s resolutions inside of the ornaments and then break them on New Year’s to read them with family and friends at midnight.
Every Saturday, business owners in Midtown set up a marketplace for citizens, primarily ones from Stepanov.
In the Stills, names are very important. Due to the extreme poverty many are trapped in, a common phrase is, “I have nothing but my first and last”, meaning their first and last name.
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