#they're just two gay boys your honour

[nevereclipse]

suits fics i n e e d

1. A ConcernedTM Harvey makes a Sleep DeprivedTM Mike go home and rest, but Mike is too tired to ride his bike, so Harvey insists on driving him home. And Sleep DeprivedTM Mike makes some comments about how *pretty* he finds Harvey that he wouldn’t usually say aloud.

2. The “Thats my suit. My spare suit, from my office” fic because NO WAY was Harvey not obsessed with seeing Mike in his clothes. 

I can’t think of any more, but I will ADD to this. And if you have recs, please tell me. PLEASE. 

[javelinbk]

Here it is, Beatle People! The official 'Insane Things Paul Has Said About John' list, as created by the people of tumblr. I hope this is a useful supplement to the original McLennon iceberg

Sources under the cut:

“He was a very cool boy” (@javelinbk)

"Whenever other people do that it always reminds me of John" (@javelinbk)

"We put our names next to each other in our school exercise books" (@beatlepaul4ever)

When was Lennon at his best? "When he was asleep." (@didwemeetsomewherebefore)

"A delicious broth of a boy" (@zilabee)

"A lovely little baby, John was" (@mallowedheart)

"Daddy's room" (@pauls1967moustache)

"We��re songwriting together even if we’re not together" (@midchelle)

"John seemed like some sort of emperor in control of it all" (@blondecasino)

"I'm trying to get my son to have a son and call him Lennon, and then he'll be Lennon McCartney" (@peaceloveandstarrs)

“John and I had millions of fabulous little experiences in Paris” (@divine-sphinx)

"We used to have wanking sessions" (@merseydreams)

"You can be heterosexual and be having a homosexual dream and wake up, and think, 'Shit, am I gay?'" (@skylikeaflame)

"It was a place called Menlove Avenue. [Pauses] Someone's going to read significance into that: Paul and John on Menlove Avenue. Come onnnnnnn" (@s-l-martin)

"I slept with him a million times" (@s-l-martin)

"A wild and woolly genius who it was my pleasure to work with, walk with, talk with, and occasionally sleep with." (@didwemeetsomewherebefore)

"In bed" (@i-am-the-oyster)

"Well, I’m sure Brian was in love with John, I’m sure that’s absolutely right. I mean, everyone was in love with John; John was lovable, John was a very lovable guy." (@whenyourbirdisbroken)

"Dear friend, throw the wine, I’m in love with a friend of mine." (@heartsinthebasement)

"We got very drunk and cried about how we loved each other" (@nikidontsurf)

“Then also we were like married, so you got the bitterness. It’s not a woman scorned this time, it’s two men scorned — probably even worse. And I had to make way for Yoko. My relationship with John could not have remained as it was and Yoko feel secure.” (@thefortunateisle)

"If I was a girl, maybe I could go out and…" (@alienoriana, @majinmelmo)

"You just don’t hang around with your ex-wife" (@javelinbk)

"No, I have a lot of dreams about John, and they're always good" (@notgrungybitchin, @skylikeaflame)

"This (painting) is John’s Room. It just looked to me like John, when he had his long hair and then his cloak or whatever this is. Then I just scratched in that, looked like one of those drawings John used to do. You know his funny little men. So then I called that John’s room … If I’m gonna see a face in a painting it’s highly likely to be his." (@foryouwereinmysong)

"I wish I had sat and just hugged John all the time when we were together.’ (…) I’d just sit around and hug him forever. That’s the depth of my feeling for him" (@theoldmixer)

“Here Today - a love song to John” (@javelinbk, @bluewater9)

"So if you've got someone, you want to tell them you love them, just get it said, don't wait" (@lennon-gal)

And honourable mention for the following stories:

Stalking John all over Liverpool until Ivan officially got them introduced (@only-a-northern-soul)

‘He’s been telling himself and the whole world that nobody cared about writing songs and his music before he met John. He knew George Harrison.’ (@greatsaladavenue)

Quitting his job to commit to the band aka explicitly picking John over his father (@adriansfrombrooklyn)

Writing "Here, There, and Everywhere" by John's pool while waiting for him to wake up and write with him alone in his attic (@aint-that-kind-of-blog-bruv)

Taking the one photo of him and john from that night with the cursed pictures with jane and then blowing it up and hanging it in his office at apple (@pauls1967moustache)

Taking LSD so he could join John in his potentially bad trip (@scurator)

The time he vaulted over a table because another man was touching John and Paul had to physically intervene (@scurator)

[lizzieisright]

“Every time someone steps up and says who they are, the world becomes a better, more interesting place.” 

This is a famous quote from the Brooklyn 99, and I love it. 

The world does become a better, more interesting place - for you and for others. 

You see, I'm a boring gay - you can't really tell because I look straight-passing. But I need to compensate, so I'm also a loud gay - meaning once we know each other I won't shut the fuck up about loving women when opportunity presents itself.

And I came out as bi at 13 - you can say it was a soft launch - and not a lot of my classmates really cared. A lot of stuff happened and I didn't focus on this part of my life, but then the year 10 happened (year 12 in British system) and oh boy I couldn't shut up.

Which is kinda hilarious if you know that: a) I live in a homophobic country b) all my classmates were straight and kinda homophobic and c) I have zero sense of self-preservation.

I decided I had nothing to lose back then and I got loud again - this time I kinda knew I had a stronger preference for girls (spoiler alert: I'm a lesbian) and I refused to let my straight friends be comfortable if it meant I had to tone it down. 

And my straight friends had to deal with it - with their homophobia, their stereotypes and assumptions. They had to make peace with me, because being around me was literally inescapable: we were classmates and there were only 10 of us, and 5 of us in a closer circle. So they listened to gay jokes, to thirsts after Rihanna, to why parades are important. 

And now, 10 years later, I have 4 straight traditional women as my closest friends who don't know what outing means and how lesbians have sex because it's not part of their life, but they're accepting and supportive, and I know they will defend queers when it matters. (cough my friend accidentally outing me to her family to prove that gays are okay and just because I'm gay doesn't mean she'll stop being my friend cough it fucking worked)

And I know, if I wasn't loud, if I wasn't thirsting after women out loud, if I didn't answer a lot of their - sometimes offensive out of ignorance - questions, they'd have been as homophobic as possible. And they would raise their kids in homophobic environment, or they wouldn't know how to deal with their kids being queer. But because I was/am loud about being gay, they will know how to handle it. Or, at least, they will have me to talk to about it. 

So be loud. Be proud. You may not change the whole world, but you may change the whole world for someone. 

Some honourable quotes from my friends:

“That's not very christian of you.” My best friend when I came out as a lesbian. (It was a joke, obv, but it's even funnier because this friend is very christian)

“We will see what nickname you'll get when you get a girlfriend.” My other friend (and a namesake) when I made fun of the nickname she got from her fiance. (because we're namesakes, we get the same nicknames). Said in front of her fiance.

“When will you two fuck?” Out of nowhere, when I was talking about my crush. + The same friend crying happy tears when I came out as a lesbian because “you must feel so relieved to finally know your truth”.

“Oh, [my nickname] is at it again.” All of them, collectively, when I accidentally stare at a girl. It happens. I'm embarrassed. 

[kindestofkings]

a mastermind [1]

ryan mcmahon x reader

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authors note: k so this is kinda an all over the place fic but I had a lot of fun making it so ENJOY! @orangeinecstasy a fellow ryan appreciator, thanks for the brainstorming 🫡

2020

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AHH how we doing?? Go read part two please 🫶🏼

part 2

[twistedwonderlandshenanigans]

December Drabbles

Prompt 11: Tradition

Characters: .....SEBEPPY I'm sorry I'm not reorganizing my prompt list to space out the Sebek and Epel stuff

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".....You...what?"

Sebek's expression only made Epel's grin grow wider.

"Every year, everyone in the town gathers at town hall t'find the rotten apple ornament on the tree that the mayor hides. First person t'find it gets t'be Uncle Marley's tastetester for the community feast AND gets first choice of the gifts under the tree."

Sebek looked baffled, bringing a hand up to his head in bewilderment. "But it's an apple on a pine tree.....does that not stand out??"

Epel just grinned and grabbed his hand in both of his, pulling him closer to the mass of people waiting outside of town hall.

"Guess you're gonna have to see!"

There was a palpable excitement in the air. Even with many of the residents being more mature in age, there was child like enthusiasm that Sebek found himself trying to adjust to.

The mayor stood in front of the crowd, holding the small rotten apple ornament. Sebek ducked down to speak to Epel.

"I thought the mayor was meant to hide the apple ornament, why is he holding it?"

Epel paused and pouted a bit as he tried to step by another person "I can' even see the may'r yet, I dunno what he's doin'", before continuing his pursuit to make it to the front of the crowd. Sebek followed close behind, trying to be wary of the people around him. He barely noticed that he and Epel had stumbled to the front, though once he did he ducked down, not wanting to inhibit anyone from seeing what was going on. No sooner had he squatted to balance on the balls of his feet before the mayor spoke up jollily.

"Evenin' y'all! I know yer all chompin' at the bit to get things rollin' but as y'all know little Epel Felmier's got his friend over for the holidays-"

Epel's face flared red at his name being called out, and to the fact Sebek was being singled out along with him, but he had no time to protest or stop the mayor as chuckles rang out around him and a few people from the community cheered.

The mayor continued, speaking over the crowd. " 'nd I couldn't think of a better way to welcome Sebek 'nd teach'im how we do things here in Harveston than to have 'm be the one to kick off our annual tradition."

Sebek's eyes widened a bit, meeting the mayors excited look, and pointed to himself.

"....You want...me to hide the apple on the tree? I would be honoured to partake in your traditions, be as strange as they may be to me."

Epel elbowed him a bit, still embarrassed from earlier, but the mayor beamed in response.

"Come on in then young'n, I'll show ya where it was last year so y'don't put it in the same place."

Sebek straightened up a bit and glanced at Epel over his shoulder as he followed the mayor into town hall, shooting him a wide grin.

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Once inside and the rules explained, the mayor watched Sebek hold the ornament at a few different heights against his chest. He nodded to himself once he got it to a particular point, then walked around the tree to find another ornament to hide the apple behind. At first, the mayor was confused as to why Sebek was so adamant about the height he held it at.

That was until he saw Epel's huge grin at having found the apple, and he realized that Sebek had put it right at eye level for his smaller friend.

The mayor chuckled to himself as he watched the two boys talk animatedly to each other, Sebek feigning ignorance as to how quickly Epel was able to find the ornament.

His wife came up to him, linking her arm in his and watching them for a moment with him, chuckling softly.

"I remember when we were young and in love. God bless their hearts."

The mayor looked down at her, then back at the boys, a blank expression on his face.

"They're gay?"

"Oh heavens to betsy, Charles 'course they are!"

[capseycartwright]

so. i love the ao3 tags bot and every time i read their tweets i think ‘this would make a fun prompt list someone should make it’ and i haven’t seen it so i decided to make it myself. so. here we are. 

this is an ✨ ao3 tag bot prompt list ✨with some of the tags that made me honk the most and i think would make deeply funny ficlets. enjoy. 

yearning and horny, aka my only two moods

more tender handholding than anticipated

everybody is traumatised

just get a room

bros who fuck

hell someone give me a hug

trigger warning: gay little monkeys

being bad at understanding feelings pt.2555194815

this boy can fit so many cheesy tropes

basically losing my religion but make it gay

best friends (who kiss sometimes or whatever)

is it gay to marry your gay friend to save money on taxes? you're also gay too btw

peak romance AND peak stupidity

even though this is porn they’re still in love, so mark that down

there’s nothing platonic about it

so much gay panic that they just end up helplessly pining for each other

does it count as voyeurism if god is watching?

your honour, they're so gay

(lizzo voice) it's about damn time

choking, but not the sexy kind

stuffed animals as a love language

sappy to horny back to sappy again aka the cycle of life

its fake dating while being unaware that you are soulmates

what are the ethical implications of pretending to be engaged to a comatose man?

gardens as vehicles for realizing you have a huge crush on your best friend

he’s a lil pathetic in this ngl, but that’s how i like my men

copious amounts of dramatic bastard behaviour

just a hint of mommy issues but this ain't about that

the inherent eroticism of going to bed early

he's so dense, someone smack him in the head

[just-1other-nerd]

Good Omens live blog ep. 1

The introduction is great, the first friendly banter between them is delivering even though it's so simple

Crowley being a Queen fan, I approve, hope the soundtrack stays this good. Aziraphale being a sushi fan, I approve very much. Seems like both of them have great taste

Both of them being on earth since the beginning is just so funny to me, like why these two idiots?

In the abby or whatever it is, there's the laocoon group, and it feels so random and yet it fits

Ah yes, "A", "B" and "the Adversary, Destroyer of Kings, Angel of the Bottomless Pit, Prince of This World and Lord of Darkness" such beautiful and equally traditional names...

They kept contact the whole time? They kinda navigated through all those plans of both sides together? And Crowley knows exactly what Aziraphale likes? They regularly have lunch together? Aziraphale remembering what they had to eat back then? The way Crowley is looking at Aziraphale while he finishes eating? Getting drunk together for 6 hours? Crowley just knows exactly which buttons to push but in such a charming way? Them scheming together to keep things as they are? If that isn't husband behaviour, then I don't know what is

The 4th wall break cought me off guard

I adore the car

Their chemistry is too good!!!

That lullaby was so dark but that just made it so funny

How they both try to influence the wrong boy, the irony!

I love the shot of them and the escalators, I watched it like 4 times

Thank the heavens that Crowley got a haircut

The whole illusionist bit has me dying

"Dog" how creative...

"Is it my fault they never check-up?" Crowley is a confirmed disaster gay who just bullshitted his way through his job by taking credit for human achievements

"I know what you smell like"?! Excuse me?! They're definitely married your honour!

So that's it for the 1st episode. See you when I do the next one

[denimbex1986]

"I feel great, you know; I'm here with my two sisters and my best friend so that makes it special, you know - when you've got your family here. So yeah, I'm delighted with myself."

"Yeah, this is a bit of - this is custom Vivienne Westwood. I adore her; I just think she's one of our, our greatest ever geniuses so I was really thrilled to be, to be wearing her."

"Oh yeah, oh yeah. Yeah, well you go in and they - you tell them your ideas and they go: "No." No, they don't; that's actually not true - they're incredibly collaborative. I love all that stuff - I've always loved clothes, so part - a part of my job is to dress up, you know, and, you know, for a character, but it's also, I don't know, it's really fun; menswear has got much more, more fun now - you used to just have to wear a black tie the whole time time - so it's nice to have a bit of, you know, a bit of - let your creative juices flow."

"Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really fun that; it's really lovely because you know, it is a bit weird sometimes when, you know, you don't know who's gonna get nominated and who isn't going to get nominated, and, you know, I suspect that people don't really remember after a ye - two months later; they're like: "Huh? I don't remember." But on the day, it's lovely. And you know, it sounds like maybe a bit of a cliche, but the nomination is really lovely, you know, because you just feel like your, you work has been seen. And so when you have a great time, with Dakota Fanning particularly; I absolutely adored working with her, and so to see her honoured this evening, you know, everybody loves Dakota Fanning. She's an icon. Yeah, she's an icon."

"...Do you know about that photograph; that photograph - every other boy in that photo, photograph was wearing heels. I looked like the small - people said it was like when, when, when the Shire got a Zara; it was one of the best things ever. But I particularly look so tiny because I'm wearing flats, and those boys if you look carefully, they had little - I wouldn't say they had lifts, I wouldn't, I wouldn't - they were, they were, you know - they were heeled. They were heeled boys. But we all did look tiny, but particularly little Scotty here, I was like "Jeez." It was like I'd won a competition. But anyway."

"Yes, we did; we were summoned by Kylie. We were so excited. We were like: "We can't let down the gays - we've gotta go there." So we did. We were, we were so scared that we were going to drop her - you can't drop Kylie Minogue - but we didn't. It was so - it was, it was a real honour. It was so fun. You know, it's kind of crazy all that stuff that happens but no better person than to do it with than Jonny. He's, he's just the best boy; I love him dearly."

"I'm delighted to talk about Knives Out 3, because I had the most fun on Knives Out 3. You know, it's got a cast of real, genuine legends in there; Kerry Washington, Glenn Close, Josh O'Connor, Josh Brolin, Jeremy Renner - oh my God - so many other people; Daniel Craig obviously."

"Yeah - 'You guys don't mess this one up.' But it's so fun, and we all had a real dreamy, dreamy time, and I think it'll be really, really special, so yeah - watch out."

[m34gs]

Your trademark is: horror movies (when will those two gay men kiss in the disgusting murder bathroom?), Spud, and Idia!

(based on this post)

LOL I love what you chose for me!

Horror movies are great :D When will they kiss indeed...(in my heart they're already married!!!)

Spud approves that he is on the list. He states he will allow you the great honour of worshipping him from sun-up to sun-down.

Lol, and Idia, my fave introverted gamer boy who is also obsessed with cats (he's just like me fr ahaha)

Thank you for the ask friend! It's always fun to hear what makes other people think of me!

[nokingsonlyfooles]

Brigitte Empire! A writer for the Daily Telegraph and prospective British ex-pat who could use your clicks and attention - and money, if you can afford it! Today, she's unpacking a little of the British Empire's colonial legacy.

And while I have your attention, would you like to talk about why mere gayness is seen as such a threat to colonial power structures?

You exist on Tumblr, you've seen this:

...or maybe this version:

Gayness has been criminalized for so long it's gone memetic, and it's a badge of honour. Alright, you're gonna make my very existence illegal, I'm gonna do whatever I want. Thanks, homophobes!

But if we rewind to Ancient Greece and Rome - some of the original, big-time conquerors of the world - two dudes banging was part of the accepted social structure and no threat. Indeed, if you watch through Brigitte up there, quite a few of those tribal societies grant men or masculine people quite a lot of gender fluidity and sexual freedom. "Male privilege" includes self-determination, even when that extends to kicking traditional masculine ideals to the curb.

At the same time, women and feminine people tend to be ignored and erased, unless they're masculine enough to be parsed as men (that's a compliment!). History is written by the victors, the colonizers, and all of them were patriarchal as hell. Why it shook out that way is fodder for endless speculation - and politicization, depending on whether you prefer to glorify the male penetrative impulse, demonize it, or deconstruct it - but it obviously did and we've been living with the consequences for centuries. As it stands, the queer landscape available for colonial exploitation is incredibly diverse, but the perceived-male aspects of it (including, nonsensically, transwomen) get more play and more flack.

To get out there and start inflicting your diseased culture on everyone else - even if it kills them - you need truly toxic level of self-confidence.

"Cancer? What're you talking about? That's just ME!"

"And, believe me, it's an improvement. Because I'm fuckin' AWESOME! Ego, the Living Planet, will ALWAYS serve you your Blizzard upside down!"

If you think you have the right to yeet other cultures right out of existence and replace them with your own, your culture - alone - must be the best one. If the others have anything worth keeping, you'll add their uniqueness to your own...

Boy, do we like colonizer villains! Kinda scared someone's gonna roll up and feed us our own medicine, aren't we?

...but most of that stuff can go. It's not that you're behaving like cancer cells, it's more like... Pesticide! You want to be Monsanto, and inflict your specific flavour of mutant grass worldwide. Everyone needs to be eating the good stuff. It will save lives. So you need everyone to understand that the ecosystems you're wiping out to plant it are not worth having.

What's that? A "rain forest"? Who needs it?!

The easiest way to do that is to send some explorers and have them explain that the people already living in your desired colony are doing things differently, and wrong, and they need your help. They are morally-degenerate, we are morally-upright, and we can fix them!

And this is, unfortunately, still where all the old colonizers are coming from in trying to reign in the worst damages done to their former colonies, only these days the colonies aren't having it.

Gee, I wonder why.

Back in the golden age, tribal warfare, slavery, the abuses of preexisting empires, and a lack of super cool technology were all easy justifications. You didn't necessarily have to fix them, you just had to say you were, and that was cover for whatever else you wanted to do, including more warfare, slavery, abuse and theft. Gayness in and of itself wasn't a big deal to ancient Greeks and Romans, but they still held themselves much more civilized than the disorganized gayness they found in the Celtic tribes on those savage islands across the channel.

Those savage islands did not stop being gay and disorganized, even at the height of their colonial expansion, when such behaviour was officially punishable by imprisonment and death. Yet, Shaka Zulu didn't send a telegram after hearing about the Cleveland Street Scandal and say, "Hey, Victoria? Shame about that homosexual menace corrupting your whole government. Tell ya what, I'll be over with all my troops on the next boat, and we'll 'save' you from yourselves, all right? No-no, no need to thank me. Just returning the favour. Ha-ha. Cheers!"

Gayness has been here a long time, it's not going away, and empires have rolled along just fine while being variously gay AF. They normalize it, they ignore it, and they cover it up, as needed. Above a certain social standing, you can do whatever you want and we'll bend over backwards to forgive it. That's still how it is today, or else Prince Andrew and all of Epstein's powerful friends would be rotting in jail instead of going on about their influential lives. Colonial power structures don't really care about two similar sets of genitals banging together, or any kind of sexual deviancy at all. What they cannot abide is people refusing to stay in their place.

Queen Victoria wouldn't stand for a cadre of Zulu warriors occupying London no matter how gay it was, because white people (except the Irish) are inherently superior and deserve to rule the world. And we've developed many scientific theories based on things like skull shape and melanin production that prove it! SO THERE!

Science is NOT political. You can't politicize this stuff, IT IS SCIENCE!

Criminalizing homosexuality and gender fluidity all comes down to one thing: visible minorities are the easiest to marginalize, and marginalized people are the easiest to exploit. If you are below a certain social standing, it behooves your betters to hit you with as many labels as possible that indicate you belong there. Ideally, you will stop looking like a person deserving of human rights, and start to resemble a problem that needs a solution. Not necessarily a final solution, but that is on the table for those of you who aren't willing to settle down and be managed.

Let's go back to the pesticide metaphor. Say you're Monsanto, and you want the world to be covered in your corn. You know what would really help you rip up a variety of diverse ecosystems? An evil plant.

(I'm gay. I'm crime.)

Ideally, something hardy, ubiquitous, recognizable, and just common enough that you're liable to find one or two in any field, growing wild and free. Then, wherever you want to grow your corn, you just have to look for the plant.

THERE IT IS! GET 'EM!

And if someone should happen to see some evil plants growing amidst your awesome corn...

(I'm gay, but British aristocracy. I'm not crime!)

Nuh-uh, no you didn't.

(This one got pulled up and thrown away because it wouldn't shut up, and it was pointing out more evil plants.)

And if, in the future, you wanted to keep burning ecosystems down with impunity, you could always take back all you said about the plant being evil, call it "oppressed" instead, and make another pass with the flamethrower to "save" it. You know, if any of your bridges are intact after a thousand years of flames, and you're still desperate to rule the world, you could try.

It's not working very well, but some of the people living in these damaged ecosystems have internalized the fact that the plants are evil (and a criminal underclass is useful), and the continued use of flamethrowers is not working out so hot either.

Ultimately, queerness was criminalized as a convenient excuse. While it worked, the colonizers overplayed their hands so badly that they no longer have the authority to de-criminalize it. It's not a real threat. It's not logical, it's not disprovable (you can't prove a negative), and it will persist as long as it's convenient to have an underclass to exploit. With capitalism calling the shots, I have no idea how we're going to fix this.

But you already have some great advice to follow if your very existence is a crime.

[like and reblog if you want more like this, I am paying attention!]

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Movies that SHOULD'VE been GAY

Okay I've noticed [not being spiteful just a meh observation] that movies that have men being friends become a ship that still seen as gay to present time but lesbians??? not so much i.e [Lost boys micheal and david, interview with a vampire altho that IS gay and teen wolf stiles and derek, sherlock holmes, supernatural harry potter and draco the list goes on]

So HERE is the queer rep for the ones who refer to themselvs as gals of feminine heres the lesbian stories for you!

Bring it on.

Missy and Tuarences should've been gay altho the brothers hot too tuarence is a perfect Bisexual representation. Plus all the girls in this movie? Pretty sure I had a crush on.

Next is Bride wars.

The fact that in the beggining of the movie the two girls we're playing 'marriage' where one is the bride and the other is the groom and they've been 'dreaming' of their dream wedding and both were proposed and their marriage happened at the same time. Both of them had a fight but only one's marriage ended because her husband was a dick. But overall the fact that they were close, got made up, knew each other so well and then ended up pregnant at the same time made me think they should've just made the movie gay and show that even lesbians will clash on deciding their wedding and since they 'shared' everything this moment will be a next step of them embracing their individualty and being better for it.

Next up is "The Holiday." A movie where two women have issues with their relationships and have 'break ups' and end up swapping homes to get away from it all. I would've loved if the two became pen pals and ended up stepping in each other shoes and found themselves knowing a person from their house and gettig closer to them by their friends, neighbors, family and found that the two have a lot in common and find that both became the 'escape' the other needed [but I do love Jude law in this film especially since he cried we need to bring back healthy relationships or seeing men being vunerable because it was so refreshing back then]

Oceans 8

These two need I say more? Overrall in the story its great that blondie had bruenettes back and even was there as her rock every step of the way, both were equel powerhouses and complete badassas through the whole movie. Wish it was official but to me they're married your honour.

Death becomes her.

This is SUCH a gay movie, if you watch it there is SO much clevage and it feels so gay when both of the women end up living forever and eternity the fact that they tried to hurt one another over some man and the fact that madeline was hurt by the others words because she was called 'cheap' and took it to heart she is so insecure and unloved and yet giner snaps [forgot her name] was obsessed with her to the point where she even drove her inmates mad when she wanted to talk about her, the drive to kill her- then made up then living with her years later [if it wasn't for the message in the end that they were miserable and the guy was happy even tho he kinda ruined their lives he DID choose madeline a women he just met over his fiance and then became drunk because she was awful?] oh well still think the movie was queer.

Mean girls

Rewatching the movie and the musical I can't help but think that a three way love triangle of Katie, Erin and Regina would've been perfect, a coming of age and even dealing with their sexuality as well as the drama of being friends someone like regina and hormones all over the place. Love and hate is usually one and the same thing and pig tail pulling has always been a thing when someone has a crush but as no way of expressing that which leads to confusion. Regina had no interest in erin but only did that to hurt katie and dangle him in front of the other even going as far as saying that she would rather break things than share them with others. The relationship of katie and Regina turns from one of a power imbalance of ruler and supporter to two queens who are equel and think that every one loves them and wants to be them even though everybody hates them. Going as far as revenge but even though Katie had hurt regina she still felt guilty and went as far as to mend that friendship even though regina is a 'mean' girl as is katie at least the two were able to come to a compromise and grow from it and even forget the crap they did to one another over some guy.

[Unlike Janice no offense but as I'm older I can't help but dislike janice and see her as a pick me quircky girl whose honestly no different than regina but is worse because she never apologised or even thought she was wrong and was never humbled like the other characters were]

Mortal Instruments

It would've been better if Clary and isabelle were a thing [no offense to mortal instrument fans] But in the books from what I remember isabelle was a bit bland the only redeeming thing about her is that simon wanted to date her and when he lost his memories isabelle became umbearably weird about it. Isabelle is bland and Clary is an idiot [and if jace and simon were a thing that would be awesome]

Overall if the two were a couple it would make sense for isabelle to take that role of protecting clary because she was raised as a mundane and Clary trying to help isabelle to make the lightwood name have respect it would ALSO be a cool story for the other to look down on them and see that history was repeating itself saying clary is JUST like valentine and isabelle was another follower and the two had to prove that its not the same as the past and that they are 'not' their families but they're own indivual person.

But I only say this because the incest plot was garbage and the whole.

"Jace Feachild, our mom had a BOX of all your things and mourned you!" She said this to Jace. Then when she found out they WEREN'T siblings went to freakin Sebastion and was like.

"JACE our MOM had a bOx oF aLl YoUr tHiNgs and mOurnED yUU!"

She is so goddamn stupid it hurts.

The craft.

Sarah and Nancy they're relationship is NOT that different from Mean girls regina and katie altho both are similiar to a narcasistic relationship of love bombing one moment then wanting to destroy your life the next. The craft is a darker version of mean girls on taking it too far but the whole "We can only have unproblematic queer rep where its not a bad relationship because it fetishises queer bleh-" Its bullshit, why is it that heteros can do whatever and its just a story a romance, a warning a psa to look out for. But in lgbt it has to be on 'brand/child friendly/ unproblematic.' Thers sin city, watchmen jessica jones and netflix YOU but god forbid we have a dark horror romance with queer characters its homo/trans/any/phobic.

Bend it like beckham.

It just...would've been SUCH a good freakin movie if they made it gay. Like I get it y'know but why do they make hetero relationships so goddamn bland I'd rather they didn't have any relationship/romance at all if they cant even make it interesting or even want me to imagine something else even better like pairing these two together. The takes on prejudice, sexism, sterotypes that if girls like football they're 'dykes'

Barbie movies: NAME ANY BARBIE MOVIE.

But what comes to my mind is Princess and the puaper or Barbie and the diamond castle. Just blond barbie with brunette barbie. They even bring in twins or other love interests that just are there [which is refreshing when other movies the girlfriends/love interests are just a prop and are about as interesting as an outdated typewriter.] But overall the relationship the two have when in pauper both have a connection and the other one is trying to pretend to be the other even though she could've walked away and the diamon castle they're both roomates. And And Babie and fairytopia- I swear this is THE lesbian movie, the blue fiary, the evil green one and even the blue mermaid like I can't and the fact that this bitch gets 'RAINBOW' wings in the third movie is just bonkers its so gay I feel like I'm being insulted its like these movies are MOCKING me. I'm in a desert parched, no water and they just TEASE a droplet of water and I get slapped in the face with that fucking HETERO shit. I don't care that its for kids if the mermaid can whine that her darling mermaid prince is someone she loves why can't she like ladypuff?????

Stick it.

The potential enemies to loves of johanne and Haley. And haley is such big LESBIAN energy. I was obsessed with this movie as a kid and teen and now as an adult kinda think. Holy shit that makes so much sense I am so dumb ^^; the growth these two have where Johanne changes sides and starts to understand and even get along with haley and how haley even approaches Johanne of her overbearing movie and they way they just banter and snap of each other is amazing [but overall johanne or joanne however you spell it having a simp of a boyfriend is what she deserves at least her hetero relationship doesnt make me want to gag and cry that it could've been better]

Van hellsing.

Just these two, the vampire hunter and the vampire its simply meant to be but ginger snaps here is so heckin annoying [the first bride who died I had a huge crush on now that I realise] the fact they know each others names, how they speak to one another how they fight and that hevera? I think her name is ALWAYS teases and plays with anna. I just so much sexual tension between the two and ugh I just wanted bride Anna I even think avara hevera w/e her name is probably wanted it too XD

Pitch Perfect.

Both rebecca and Ginger snaps [I am so sorry] Are obs a couple, the way ginger was obsessed the naked Shower scene and said I'm confident and then the fact that they become ROOMATES and the boyfriend from the first/secondish movie just disapears and we never noticed because w/e movie buff he was obs dating benny so its fine. Movie guy made a disapearing act with his magician friends thats cool. The fact that the two are still together and performing and singing even years later one wants to make music while the other is a singer I don't get why becca couldn't just work with her group and make her own songs and original stuff she was able to make music for celebs but I guess comedy movies go in a downward spiral where funny haha jokes have more priority than plot.

Once upon a time.

Having Emma and regina a couple just makes sense, Emma became a VILLAIN so regina could have a happy ending. The way they both bounce off each other and even stay consistent even though their partners keep changing. Both are moms to their son henry so co-parenting right there! The fact that Emma is a savior BUT is also a character in a fairy tale story having both fight for their happily ever afters but also their fairy tales of having a queen and princess get together has NEVER been done. its always prince charming or defeat the evil villain so fighting for their ending is also fighting against fate to change the 'rules' of what a happily ever after really is.

Bit of a weird one but if you played the game of Tomb Raider legend I absouletely LOVED the concept of goth punk angry girlfriend and Lara being a thing. its like a dark twist of lovers to Enemies, completely toxic and betrayel, of two people who are archeologists and brilliant women who are trying to hunt for the sword of excalibur. Amanda was betrayed by Lara who didn't go back down to save her, and was truly bitter over her feelings then being enraged at Amanda for killing her movie in the past wish the sequel to this game wasn't on xbox or the freakin wii then realised the story went too dark and garbage like a terrible dc batman movie but alas I love the concept of these two...

She's the man.

No matter how you slice it this film is GAY [Yes I am aware that most queer people do not want this film to be rep it feels problematic I get that but I choose to think positively]

The fact that the main girl feels like a trans character or if not has a more better relationship with olivia and it comes across as queer, her infatuation with talyor but presenting as a man comes across as gay. Either way- she could be seen as a butch lesbian or a transman and it would've been a good movie to explore those themes but nope back to heteronormaty I guess but overall with these lists I don't want a reboot of these movies and MAKE them gay I want shows like it that is a similair story line but is gay.

The truth is movies can come out and be original but still have elements of nostalgia or 'reboot' energy. Like ready player one feels like a back to the future vibe, how Free guy is just lego movie and Red notice is a mixture of indiana jones or other national treasure movies.

What I love about this list is that even tho some have similaraties all of these people/couples are so unique and different but when I see shows that ARE lesbian/queer I can't help but feel a bit...meh about them. It feels like a hetero couple that isn't written well and they barely have personality at all or sometimes one girl is a complete bitch while the other is a 'sterotype' to what a lesbian is. Sure people outside the internet do have mannerisms that can call into the catergory of an 'archetype' but its worse when a movie comes out and it feels more like cringe propoganda I want to turn my brain off and think man this is gay and I love it.

Not wanting to turn the movie off or walk away in embarresment that when anyone online does queer stories/analysis etc they just hit it spot on.

Loki being nonbinary? That feels right. Velma being Bisexual? Also feels right. Gaston and Laufee being gay? Thats just facts.

But when Media does it it's like they veer of and just miss the mark like the have the spirit but it just doesn't feel queer. Watching old movies from the 90's to 2000's just had GOOD queer subtext and felt more relatable and better written than...whatever the heck we have now. I just miss classic rom coms about a story like, 13 going on 30, rent, ps I love you, think like a man act like a women. Just a normal story with narratives that go in a weird direction or even a movie with MULTIPLE couples to have a contrast on how different people have different relationships. Either way I know youtubers/tik tokers do queer stories WAY better than any proper media service so at least I know I'm getting rep somewhere.

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hello i would like to hear your opinions on

This is such a mood. Thank you for asking!!! I love mass effect! A lot!

I probably have opinions on most characters tbh. I like the original ME1 squad the most. My shepard is a psuedo-oc and I love her and her found family SO much. Like it'd be really hard for me to pick a mass effect squadmate I dislike they're almost all very dear to me. So here's a companion tier list and then honourable mentions and explanations below

Garrus: malewife with autism. Local Man In Awe Of His Very Strong Wife. Dork. Beloved. I Am Not Immune To Turians.

Tali: wife so beloved they had to nerf her by refusing to make her bi even though if femshep romances Garrus you can find Tali fantasizing about the three of you Together at the citadel dlc party.

Wrex: that's my grandpa and I love him

Ashley: she and Shep are the two best friends who have been friends so long they always have five ongoing arguments of varying severity but they will always be The Girls. She is ONLY down in b tier because I use her so little during the actual game and I wish there had been more actual content.

Joker: that's my stupid weed smoking cousin and the only one who knows im gay at the family reunion.

Grunt: Shepard has a sign on her door when she's busy and has asked not to be disturbed and it says "SON BOY ALLOWED" with a picture of grunt. He will always be her son. He is just a baby.

Anderson: dad. I love him. but also it's true what they say once you've heard Keith David as the arbiter he is the arbiter to you forever and there's nothing you can do.

Hackett: I just really like Hackett he's like Shepard's strict but fair dad and Anderson is her fun dad.

Kasumi: Shepard's annoying little sister I LOVE getting gossip from her it made the ship feel so alive.

James: I need to help my himbo son realize he is bisexual and it's not Just Bro Things to constantly ask Cortez if he's enjoying watching you work out and thinks you're hot.

Jack: I LOVE JACK I LOVE JACK SO MUCHXHDHDDHDH BIOWARE HOMOPHOBES. If you even look at jack wrong then Natasha Shepard will kill you. That's her sister.

Miranda: I Am Not Immune To Women Or Hyper Competence.

Samara: hngh... milfs.... With a code of duty and honour and ethics.... Hnghhhhhh.

EDI: I love robot AI stories I just wish someone gave my darling friend some clothes. She looks cold.

Legion: I will make bioware pay. I swear it to you legion.

Bonus Honourable Mentions: I genuinely am a stereotypical "turians are my blorbos" mass effect player. I think more than the game probably wants me to about Saren and indoctrination and Nihlus (and how they had a Thing I'm a truther) and it's one of the reasons I hate the ending so much because bioware seem intent on pushing synthesis as the "good uwu" ending which. That's what Saren wanted to do in me1 make up your damn minds.

Okay! Dishonourable mentions!

Thane: his loyalty mission glitched on my first ever playthrough and it ruined my perfect run on the suicide mission AND got kirrahe killed in me3 bc he took Thanes place in the coup fight. I don't dislike him he's like my joke nemesis but I'd probably forgive him for the broken loyalty mission if he was more interesting to me.

Kaidan: I actually really do like kaidan this is the same thing as Thane. I took him to the tholian planet in me1 my first time out, when I was shit at game, and he just kept dying constantly leaving me at the mercy of the thralls. (Garrus, knight in shining armour, was my only hope.) When virmire happened I was like "you know what you did." The game also railroads you if you're playing with femshep and makes every conversation with him flirty which! I didn't enjoy! At all! Jesus can I just get to know you without you asking if this means I'm in love???? So thus I have spent the least time with kaidan of all the squad. I really want to do a maleshep run some day and like. Actually get to know him. Because I think he's be higher if I did.

Javik: I find the airlock stuff funny but like. The fascist colonialist overlord thing. Gets old quick! Believe it or not! I don't get on with him but he makes me laugh I guess.

Jacob: this isn't about Jacob this is about the racist and bland writing that went into him. I want to love Jacob but he has both the racist writing and the same problem as Kaidan where if you even suggest you don't want him to die the game takes it as a sign you love him

And now. The big one. The one that's gonna get my sapphic card taken away.

Liara makes me uncomfortable. The way you can see the Devs lust for her all over the way she's written and designed and posed and used. The way she fulfills every "hot alien babe" fantasy. The way asari in general are agender when bioware want to tell you it's not really gay and "just all female" the rest of the time or when they're drooling over them. The way the game railroads you the same way it does with kaidan and Jacob and probably Ashley if you're maleshep. The way she has multiple obligatory missions and the favourtism is so obvious that she's basically the only character who can ONLY die if you get the absolute worst ending of all where the entire galaxy dies. The way the game will regularly assume you romance her.

Idk I really wanted to like her I was SO excited when I found out the game had a bisexual love interest. It's not like I dislike anything at all that's actually about HER. As a character I love her she's autistic coded she's sweet she's beautiful and smart and kind. But whenever I'm interacting with her idk how else to describe it except I am taken out of the experience of the story BC I am so aware of all the contexts and shit influencing what I'm seeing and doing. She's NOT down here because I hate her. It is exclusively the fact that when I'm seeing her I am so acutely aware that I am seeing a fictional character people workshopped.

[homo-nouveau]

A window of light in the dark if one of us goes down the other won't be there to catch them we would be unhappy and wish we hadn't done it

[ghostly-clown]

Oh no, hello :), can I request coming out to the slashers? (Like how's they'd react to your new pronouns and such) thank you :)

Yes. YES. YESSSSS

I love this request so much thankyou 🙏

For this I'll try and do both (kinda focused mainly on pronouns tho) and to keep it neutral I'm gonna keep it as coming out as queer with they/them Pronouns, I hope that's ok <3

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Comming out to slashers 🏳️‍🌈

U know who to expect:

Michael myers, Jason voorhees, brahms heelshire, ghostface, Vincent sinclair (just my favourite brother this time), Thomas hewitt

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Michael Myers

- he will be surprised and a little confused

- he might take some time to think about it and then come back to you so you can further explain what it means

- once he realises your coming out to him he will go soft

- he won't show it (or not well) but he is honoured that you trust him enough to come out to him

- he will hug you as his way of saying he will always love and except you

- after that things will be otherwise normal, he dosnt speak so he can't use Pronouns but he will point people out as like a "Would u date them?" Thing

- I'm also pretty sure Michael would be ace, so there's that too

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Jason Voorhees

- he thought everyone was a little gay so he's not that surprised, but you will need to explain the whole pronouns thing to him

- after he is 100% excepting without a doubt

- he also dosnt talk but he still wants u to feel excepted so you will find lil cards around that say stuff like "your the best they there is :)" or "thems is a good pronoun fir u"

- he will go out of his way to make u feel comfortable and even help u burn all ur sheets with your dead-name

- he will also happily sit and listen to you rant about the celebrities u have a crush on

- All around just a guy trying his best and his best is alot so u won't need to worry

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Brahms Heelshire

- he dosnt get it at all, he's gonna ask so many questions

- he will ask the infamous "so does that mean you like me?"

- using the right Pronouns is gonna be hard only cause he's not used to it but after a week or two he'll get better

- always correcting himself when he uses the wrong name or pronoun by punching the wall

- you do so much for him the least he can do is use your pronouns whenever he can

- after month he will probably ask to use they/them pronouns cause he likes how they sound

- guess who's now a demi-boy

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Ghostface

- Billy is understanding but won't make a big deal of it

- he will ask who doesn't know and how comfortable u are with using your name and pronouns in public

- he wants u to feel safe more then anything

- Stu on the other hand is gonna treat it as if he were welcoming a whole knew person

- he is on the name and pronouns straight away, not a problem for him

- but he might accidentally out you by being too enthusiastic so be careful

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Vincent sinclair

- again you will have to explain this to him because he dosnt get it

- he will make alot of mistakes sorry :(

- but once he starts getting the hang of using the right pronouns he starts to get it

- seeing how you smile when he says something as simple as "oh, they're over there"

- after noticing that slight change to joy he will go out of his way to use your new name and new pronouns as much as he can

- he's happy to see you happy more then anything

- and he's always gonna be your safe space when u need a break

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Thomas hewitt

- he will probably be the hardest to come out to mainly cause of his family

- he will ask alot of somewhat uncomfortable questions

- he does genuinely want to understand why this is important to you so he will use they/them here and there

- he might accidentally out you to his family but that's when he realises how important this is to you

- he will feel so bad for the longest time and will always be apologising for it

- but on the up side he has since doubled down on using the right pronouns, and the rest of the family being scared of him will follow his lead

- he's trying his best and does just want u to feel happy and comfortable

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[joejoeba]

Caejose for the ship ask👀

-Whether I ship it or not

I do! I guess? Like I enjoy the dynamic, but I dont believe it could ever actually happen. I still indulge in it, but realistically I'm like....they're set up to fail a little bit. And I like wondering about them as doomed star crossed lovers!

-Why I ship it or not

Joseph is one of the most interesting characters imo, and his most interesting dynamic comes from interacting with Caesar, and it's a complex dynamic! Worth looking into, and I mean, they are two extremely muscular hotbois.... I love that they were soooooo mad at each other at first and then one (1) dire situation later Caesar is like "!! maestra Joseph is so tired but he tried so hard I'm breaking your rules to help him I'm sorry pls be nice to him" like. Caesar......

-My opinion on their canon potential (chemistry, canon interactions, etc)

Like I said, set up to fail. Canon potential: none, bc its early jojo, and bc it's the hyper masculine ones (not MY opinion but the typical Jojo narrative), and because its during That time period. They could never be.... but Caesar sure acts like Joseph awoke something in him. My combination realistic/interpretation narrative is Caesar being a closeted gay man who is very confused by oblivious bisexy Joseph and their weird mind bond and how stupidly hot joseph is and how surprisingly complex and-

-My opinion on fanon interpretations/fandom around it (Favorite widespread hcs, pet-peeves, etc)

Caesar is not a sweet soft tsun boy. He's incredibly prideful and, honestly, kind of a bitch? Let's not forget his very criminal past (not that it makes him worse, but I feel like people forget Caesar was a street thug and not always a prissy primadonna). Joseph; also kind of a bitch, not just a sexy himbo! And cocky, and intentionally infuriating, and incapable of taking things seriously- but also very honourable in battle, super dedicated to the people he loves and surprisingly benevolent to the underdog, and SCARY smart. I feel like people forget this a lot. They're very rival-archetype and honestly they'd be INSUFFERABLE as a couple, but they have a sort of mind bond and they get each other whether they like it or not. I like it when people treat them as very independent and arrogant adults. Hate it when they're a bottom-top stereotype in either direction.

Also caesar's eyes are not blue thank u.

[now-that-i-saw-you]

I'm sorry to hijack your post op, I just finished season 1 and I've been thinking about this!! I couldn't help comparing the show to Succession since both shows are so similiar, except Succession did a much better job.

This is going to contain spolilers for Succession's finale

One element of the two shows is that everyone's a shitty person, but I feel like narrowing Succession's characters to "just a shitty person" does a disservice to the show. Because Succession tricks you by making you dislike a characters and find them completely irredeemable, then making you feel really bad for them and showing they are capable of caring about someone else. There's not much info about the Roy siblings childhood, there aren't any flashbacks scene, but the writers make sure we know Logan was emotionally (and physically) abusive through the current actions of the characters (and that's fucking brilliant writing) and it's why the characters keep coming back to him (and because they're all power-hungry rich people)

The White Lotus doesn't do that. Everyone acts in ways and displays behaviours. Why do they do that? I have no idea, I literally don't know anything about any of these characters. I kept waiting for the plot to start and it just didn't. It gets frustrating watching the characters do things without understanding why. Why does Paula hide her relationship with Kai from Olivia? Why does she resent Olivia so much? She mentions a power imbalance in their friendship (Olivia always has to have the best cards) (I do think the theme of Power Imbalance in relationships was very interesting) but Olivia doesn't do anything that paints her as a bad friend. Even when she knows her mom got robbed and her dad got beaten because of Paula, she still protects Paula ((she's gay, you're honour)). The only bad thing Olivia does is treating her brother like shit which I thought was such a cliche. Oh wow, another cool older sister who's so mean to her dorky little brother. And that brings me back to Succession because the Roy Siblings are cruel to each other but they love each other so much. Shiv would stab Kendall in the back for a bag of chips but she would give him her left lung to save him. There's an aspect in the show wherein it's clear that things get so much better when the siblings cooperate, and then it all falls apart when Logan makes one of them betray the others. And really they all want his love so why wouldn't they do anything he asks?

No one in The White Lotus pays the consequences for their actions. Yeah you could say it's criticising the fact rich, privileged people never pay for their crimes but...why would I want to watch it? Succession's ending was fantastic because everyone lost but not in the way you expected. Logan never gets properly punished, but he dies off-screen in an episode not even named after him. Tom betrays his wife and ends up the CEO but he's just a puppet on strings. Shiv sucks for several reasons (I love her tho) and she is still the rich wife of a CEO but then, that's all she is - a wife. Kendall and Roman lose the prize they dedicated their entire lives to winning.

I think The White Lotus did a good job showing Shane is the epitome of Privileged, Whiney Manchild and a Mommy's Boy...but he's not really that interesting. He's just supposed to highlight Rachel and Armond. We know there is a power imbalance in Shane and Rachel's relationship which is probably why Rachel doesn't break up with him by the second episode. But then she has an epiphany and decides to break up with him and then comes back to him after he stabs a man?? Why?? Why does Shane not get arrested or detained for fucking killing a man?? Even if it was for self-defense???

it really didn’t hit me that there’s no show like succession in terms of the funniness and wit until it was over . like ive been trying to watch the white lotus over the course of like two weeks and im still stuck on episode four and there are six episodes in s1 . this shits boring