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Anakin Skywalker and the Naboo Royal Handmaids don’t hate each other. How could they?
Aren’t they all her blades and blaster bolts and lightsabers? Aren’t they all her shadows and phantoms and reflections? Aren’t they all her attack dogs? Aren’t they all hers?
Weren’t they all born to die for Padmé Amidala?
#anakin and the padmé’s handmaidens hating each other IS OUT#anakin and the padmé’s handmaidens understanding each other IS IN#analysis#character analysis#relationship analysis#I think#padmé deserves to have a husband and five girlfriends and have a unhealthy relationships with all of them#they view her as the queen of queens#he views her as an angel#together they tear the woman apart#unhealthy relationships#unequal power dynamics#religious imagery#padmé amidala#padmé naberrie#padmé skywalker#anakin skywalker#sabé#handmaiden sabé#eirtaé#rabé#saché#yané
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i love when ppl draw bumblebee like the happy little creachure he is but also i love when people draw bumblebee like he's had 500 beers in the last 1 hour and still the pain won't even ebb
#bonus when they do both by making him just utterly psychotic but he smiles so no one notices#i am a shameful idw bee enjoyer but like in the tired af ppl pleasing libra girl who needs a therapist so fking bad but#has 700000 billion duties and 900000000 billion expectations and mean bitches in his ear telling him hes stupid#sense#and not the he feels like an officer sense like no my queen is just a teachers pet doing her best which is her worst im afraid#anyways i love bee hes very indignant and a bitch but also im gonna stand beside her sorry#u do not understand how powerful it was to give him a cane . a literal crutch to hold onto to feel stronger even when ratchet says he doesnt#have to anymore but yet bee still insists bcs he doesnt have time for the repairs itll take when others cannot survive#and 2 it comforts him with support and also power and so he cradles it close with the idea of him being weak & needing smthing else#to make him strong#even tho at this point it's rlly just for comfort but he cant afford to allow himself to have comfort when others cant#or dont need it in his heroism ideals (specifically optimus being seen as so much stronger than him)#optimus also had bee tho. had him. but bee is so self conscious he just sees all his failures surrounding optimus & views himself not a#crutch to lean on but a crutch to optimus' character#he rlly needed rodimus and his fiery upbeat persona so they could fake it till they made it together and he left & fucking exploded#(in bees eyes)#like idk im just obsessed with this little tryhard loser#he islike a sad little clingy mother who refuses to think herself as human. she is just mother. lives off evrryones accomplishments#never her own#idk like hes so interesting tonme i want to kill him teehee#chew on him like sponge cak#bumblebee#transformers#tf bumblebee#tf idw#idw#tf#????#maccadam#i hate not knowing waht tag to use
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Okay, let's finally talk about EPIC's Apollo
I feel very compelled to say, first of all, that I do not dislike Epic. In fact, I am very fond of Epic and have been following its production and status very eagerly! I attend all the launch streams, I watch all of Herrans' update videos; I am, at the end of the day, a fan and I want it to be known that my words are spoken out of love and passion as much as they are spoken from a place of critique.
So really, what my problem with Epic's Apollo?
In the briefest possible terms; the choice to have Apollo be defined by his musical aspect in God Games is thematically strange. And not in the 'oh well in the Odyssey, Apollo was important to Odysseus and his family so it's weird that that wasn't kept in Epic' strange, strange in the sense that Odysseus' character arc since My Goodbye has been getting more and more obviously Apollonian and so it is positively bizarre that when we get to meet Apollo, the god seems entirely disinterested in him and his affairs. So much so that he is not even defined by any station that would indicate that he has been watching over and protecting Odysseus and his family.
What do I mean by 'Odysseus has been following an Apollonian arc'? I'm so glad you asked!
Remember Them is the last song in which Odysseus explicitly uses his sword until Mutiny where he must use it to defend himself against Eurylochus' blade. He uses it to help enact the plan to conquer Polyphemus and, due to Polites dying in that battle, Polites who wished for Odysseus to put the blade down entirely and embrace a post-war life, Odysseus also retires his sword. This is an action that symbolically separates him from Athena - and the image of Odysseus as a traditional warrior set for him in Horse and Infant - as much as My Goodbye physically separates him from the goddess and her war-ways - from this point onwards, Odysseus will no longer be leaning on Athena's wisdom or methods to solve his problems. Likewise, he will no longer be able to rely on her protection.
Odysseus thusly solves most of his upcoming problems through diplomacy and avoidance. He approaches Aeolus - a strange and ambiguous god (both in gender and in motivation) and appeals to them for help. Circe too, he approaches not with wishes to conquer or for revenge, but for the safe returning of his men and an alternate way forward. In all of these scenarios, there is some Apollonian element which is subtly interweaved alongside the influence of other gods; it is with a bow and arrows that Polyphemus' sheep is slain (and thus it is this Apollonian element which is at the root of Odysseus' spat with Poseidon), it is a vision of Penelope that warns Odysseus that his men are about to open Aeolus' wind-bag, Circe's peace offering to Odysseus is to refer him to a prophet of Apollo who has since died.
In this way, Apollo is walking alongside Odysseus for all of his journey after Athena departs - even in the Underworld, he is guiding him. It is Tiresias' proclamation that is the last straw for Odysseus, it is by the power of a mouthpiece of Apollo that Odysseus decides to embrace his ruthlessness. It is with the bow and arrow that Odysseus subdues the siren who sought to trick him, likewise, Odysseus does not attempt to undermine or escape the fate of paying Scylla's passage price - he knows of the doom about to befall the six men and quite unlike the rest of the journey until this point, he does not fight against it. This all comes to a head on Thrinacia where it is a blade which sacrifices the sun god's cow and brings destruction upon the crew once more.
My point with all of this is that when I heard the teasers for God Games years ago, it made perfect sense to me that Apollo would be Round One - he is not Odysseus' adversary and has no reason to oppose Athena's wish to free him. From other teasers about what will happen in the climax of Epic, Apollo will still be walking alongside Odysseus - it is Apollo's bow that Penelope will give the suitors to string. Likewise, it is Apollo's bow that will prove Odysseus' legitimacy and identity. That bow will be the power by which Odysseus hunts his adversaries and cleans out his palace - it is Apollo who is the avatar of Odysseus' ruthlessness, not Athena.
So tell me, truly, what was the point of having Apollo raise a non-argument in God Games? Why have him appear unconcerned, aloof and slightly oblivious? Why have him appear in his capacity as the Lord of Music at all?? And if the intention was never to make Apollo an active player in Odysseus' life like he was in the Odyssey, why keep Odysseus as a primary archer?
The answer of course is that Apollo is inextricable from the fabric of the Odyssey - his influence and favour exudes from Odysseus just as much as Athena's. In Athena's ten year sulk, it would have been Apollo who kept Telemachus and Penelope safe. It would have been Apollo protecting Odysseus from Poseidon's gaze as he travelled the seas (according to the Odyssey anyway)
Forgive me for not being excited about something that I thought was being purposefully set up. I was extremely ecstatic about all of the little Apollonian details that litter the sagas because I know where this story ends up (loosely) but all God Games did was reveal that maybe those Apollonian details were not intentional at all, but merely the ghost of the Apollo who persistently haunts those he favours, even if he cannot explicitly come to their aide in an adaptation.
#ginger rambles#apollo#odysseus#epic the musical#athena#This of course is not mentioning the whole 'in the Odyssey the suitors have been explicitly praying#for Apollo to kill Telemachus so they can have free reign and Apollo is just going 'what's that? I'm sorry I can't hear haters' thing#I'm actually so disappointed by Apollo in God Games because I truly did believe that it was leading up to Apollo and Athena#BOTH being by Odysseus' side in the end#I really like the fandom view that Apollo used the sirens as an excuse because he has nothing against Odysseus#but in order for me to give that any merit there would have needed to be something in the text itself to support that#And Apollo only has the three-four lines which like - in and of itself is crazy#I really wish Apollo and Hephaestus had full verses like Aphrodite/Ares#Or at least a back and forth like Hera#The milquetoast Apollo who is apparently upset about murder but then only took a light rebut for him back down#I'm sorry have you not seen Apollo when he's mad about murder before? He's not that reasonable I promise you#I'm just not going to talk about him being mad about the sirens specifically if I think about that too long I'll get hives#Looking very forward to when Penelope finally gets her song 😭😭😭#Cannot believe you still don't have your song debut my queen the Odysseus economy is also in shambles
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can uwu pls draw shoko comforting gojo the morning after the night parade of 100 demons and after he killed geto ? 🥺
IM SORRY I FUCKED UP. I did the morning after the KFC Breakup CUZ I CANT READ AAAAAA Hope that's okay too 👉 👈
#there are many fics that i reference when i draw the aftermath of geto leaving#lilies by antioedipus#sorry about the blood in your mouth (i wish it was mine) by her_black_tights#Breathing Underwater by Shrimphony#just to name a few#like i just hate how we never got shokos view of the whole thing#sure we got the smoking scene but we never saw yaga tell her or gojo see her after he heard the news#even if she's an unbothered queen seeing gojo like this must have hurt#nay she must have hurt too#i need more development for her pls ppllllsssss#shoko ieiri#satoru gojo#jjk#fanart#jujutsu kaisen#IPMSSA_SatoSho!Fanart#IPMSSA_FoundFamily!Fanart
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Green stans logic:
Rhaenyra should be hated for not helping advance women’s positions throughout the Realm (even though it was a hardship to get stability for herself as the first reigning Queen of the Seven Kingdoms).
Meanwhile, Aegon Hightower should be applauded for taking away a woman’s legitimate right to the throne at a time when a couple of women were found in positions of power throughout the Realm (Lady Jeyne Arryn of the Vale being the most notable example).
Seriously…try harder.
#The usurper is the one who viewed himself as the exception#And people kind of missed the point where Rhaenyra being Queen creates a precedent for more women in positions of power in the future#She doesn’t have to do anything. She just has to take the throne that belongs to her and rule.#team black#rhaenyra targaryen#pro team black#anti team green#anti aegon ii targaryen#anti team green stans#anti green stans#queen rhaenyra#asoiaf#anti greens#hotd#fire and blood#aegon the usurper#the blacks#house of the dragon#pro rhaenyra#asoiaf meta#canon asoiaf#jeyne arryn
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i don’t know if i’m ever gonna write the fic but i’ve been thinking abt like. the eternal stockade. the implications. lup, a lich who was trapped in a dark featureless cell for a decade completely isolated with nothing to keep her sanity but her own mind. she has to put people in the eternal stockade. how many liches does she see herself in. how many liches started out just like her. how many liches are truly too far gone. and the only liches we ever see other than her and barry are edward and lydia. they’re certainly evil, but mad? they seem pretty sane. they’re not, like, tattered echoes of souls, they’re definitely still people. even as much of a grudge as lup surely has against them, wouldn’t they remind her incredibly strongly of herself? do they deserve to be trapped just like she was? for eternity? isn’t eternity what turned john to existential despair in the first place?
#mine#taz balance#taz lup#lup#like idk i think lup’s down to kick necromancer ass but when it comes to being like. WARDENS of a PRISON. would that not be uncomfortable??#but like taking the job is the only way to avoid HER being thrown in prison??#idk the raven queen being a cool & chill goddess boss is definitely fun but when you actually think abt it#i don’t think i’d agree with her. i think if i lived in that world i’d think she were sort of evil#which like also to get into the hunger vs authority its not very explored because its not at all the point#the hunger is meant to be nihilism and despair and dissatisfaction its at its core an emotional story about joy & love#but like john starts out rebelling against laws. laws of the universe; except that it turns out a being wrote those laws (jeffandrew)#so the hunger is also sort of a force of rebelling against unjust constraints in the pursuit of freedom?#and the heroes end up preserving the status quo and saying you just have to find joy within those unjust limitations#which again. like. the point is that life is unfair and you can find joy and meaning despite it. which is true to real life.#i’m not saying the hunger was right or that despair is the only way or w/e like#yk like taz balance is not a story about society its more about. philosophy i guess#the point is that life’s really hard and you find meaning anyway and that’s preferable to despair and death#thematically for the audience we understand these are standins for ways of viewing reality#and in the real world reality is what it is. its just the world. there’s no authority that writes the laws of nature#like its not a ‘man vs authority’ story its a ‘man vs nature’ story#but IN UNIVERSE nature IS an authority. jeffandrew and the gods. regardless of how much joy you can find in an unjust world#if i lived in it i’d want to make it more just! but anyway like yeah barry & lup working for the raven queen#is kinda an extension on that idea of preserving the status quo#although i guess you could say gods are just forces of nature. theyre not PEOPLE theyre just personifications of existent natural laws#and it ties in w istus and fate as well#although fate is like a comforting guiding force rather than restricting & horrifying#^ pay no attention to any of this i don’t think it really means anything i’m just like. writing thoughts as i have them#not like a hard stance i’m taking just exploring some ideas#any ways#THERES A TAG LIMIT??
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Yeah, the main theme of the Chase isn't Katara being an overbearing mom friend vs Toph being a spoilt brat.
It's actually about Katara's collectivism vs Toph's individualism and I'm surprised it took me my 3rd rewatch to realise this I'm dissapointment in myself.
#Katara's not a mother she's a communist#and I daresay her view is proven right in the end so pop off queen#katara#pro katara#toph beifong#toph#atla#avatar: the last airbender#the last airbender#avatar the last airbender#quill rewatches atla
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Bridgerton in s1, s2, and the spinoff essentially: LW has done nothing helpful, she only adds harm to society's reputations, especially that of women and young girls who have little means of ways to protect themselves. It's why so many are scared that their every move is being watched. It's very evident that, whoever she is, has nothing better to do and probably wouldn't be accepted or forgiven by the Ton if their identity was revealed.
Bridgerton s3, for some reason: Oh LW is amazing (because it's Penelope) and is a true testament to how someone can overcome such harsh trials and come out on top (because, of course, being "ignored" gives you the right to weaponize your power and privileges to harm others, even those who you've never spoken too, just because you want to be seen, even though you hide behind an anonymous gossip sheet). Some people should even be jealous of the feats she's overcome (because, yes, it perfectly makes sense for a feminist character to be jealous of someone who's only used their power to hurt women and young girls for some cash and entertainment, totally makes sense).
#bridgerton#i was basically summarizing points but you get it#bc the whole 180 from how lw was viewed in early seasons & queen charlotte#vs in s3 reads so much as fan service and fave character of the director behind the scenes or something#like everything about it felt so stupid#and big eye roll behavior to eloise & colin trying win their case with “but being ignored hurts!' which it does but 1.) that's not an excuse#to hurt others especially making a profit over it & 2.) why should cressida care when she's about to be sold!?#and the way so many characters were characterized just so pen could be easily forgiven and have her shine (even pen herself) 🙄#bridgerton criticism#anti penelope featherington
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To be honest, a big part of why I dislike the fact that YR doesn’t explicitly address ableism is because I think this fandom in particular would benefit a lot from the sort of discussions a show that takes so much care with these topics could produce.
With the way people talk about Sara’s auDHD, Micke’s addiction, Kristina’s breakdown, and even August’s ED/addiction, it’s clear a lot of you view mental illnesses/disabilities as a choice someone makes or a punishment they can deserve/earn. There’s a difference between one’s disability being used as an excuse and it being a valid reason/explanation for actions the person still has to take responsibility for that few of you seem to recognize or care about, and treating these characters’ disabilities and mental illnesses like something they earned/deserved bc of something they did implies very harmful beliefs about real disabled people.
On top of those implications, the only disabled/mentally ill character people treat with nuance and care is Wille, the main character who gets all the excuses/explanations. To a disabled person (i.e. me), it appears that some of you refuse to care about/empathize with disabled people on your own. Instead, you view us as morally bad and alien at the first sign of symptoms, and you only change your mind when an explanation you deem satisfactory makes us palatable or relatable to you. Since it's currently Disability Awareness/Pride Month, it's a good time for some of you to learn how to see both us as people and our disability without lengthy justification or respectability politics.
#shimmer's thoughts#young royals#sara eriksson#prince wilhelm#august horn#queen kristina#micke eriksson#also these two things are probably related#bc if you view disabilities as things a person earns by being bad in some way#it makes a lot of sense that when you see a disabled person you default to demonizing them#now i'm not very good at talking about this kinda thing off the cuff but i think sara and i have similar styles of autism#or at least i interpret her that way#so maybe i can go into detail about why i think she is the way i think she is to help people broaden their horizons#and consider disabled perspectives and stuff#i already have posts about her and i will also answer asks as long as they're not the shitty ones i get every time i talk about her#edit: when i queued this i thought i would have rewatched the show by now. whoops#gimme like a week
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Me after watching the second trailer of GxK:
HOLD MY BEER GUYS CUZ......
SHE'S HERE!!!!!!!!!!
I KNEW IT!!!!!!!! IT'S MOTHRA!!!!!!!!!!!! LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
#*SQUEALING INTENSIFIED 1 MILLION TIMES*#I'M FUCKING HAPPY AND CRYING THEN I'M FUCKING LAUGHING WITH TEARS OF JOY AND I'M FUCKING JUMP MY ASS OFF#MOTHRA OUR QUEEN OF THE MONSTERS IS FUCKING HERE!!!!#I GOT A BETTER VIEW OF JIA'S EYES AND I AM FUCKING LUCKY#ARE YOU HAPPY?!?!?!?!?! CUZ I AM!!!!!!#MORE MOTHRA PLEASE MORE MOTHRA!!!!!!!!!!#godzilla#godzilla x kong: the new empire#gxk#mothra#monsterverse#jia#trailer#PLEASE PRAY FOR HER PLEASE PRAY FOR HER!!!!!!!#I AM POSITIVE NOW!!!!!!!
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The true Girl, so Confusing duo of Ever After High. Somebody please talk to me about these two their dynamic has been rotting my brain for weeks.
#raven queen#briar beauty#ever after high#eah#eah edit#LIKE????#the way they go from being less than acquaintances to briar disliking raven for what she did on legacy day#not even because of what she did to her but of what she did to apple#to her slowly questioning her own destiny and raven dismissing her worries because she thinks she's just a party girl#to briar apologizing to raven after she lives through her destiny because she finally sees that they both have it badly!!#the system is hurting everyone!!!!#and as much as apple and raven are reflections of each other i rlly do think briar and raven#are the true mirrors because they were both raised for a terrible destiny by mothers who weren't as present#as they should have been and pushed down their doubts about that destiny bc they thought there were no other options#and then got shown a way out#briar was just raised to be a heroine in her story while raven was a villain#and the way apple plays into their dynamic!!!#the way all she wants is ravens attention and briar is happy to help her until raven starts causing apple distress#and she shoves down her own wants bc it's what she's been doing her whole life anyway#but she can't pretend anymore!! and it's raven's fault and she's losing her best friend and everything is boiling over!!!!!#and apple finally comes around bc of raven!!! even tho raven has done nothing but fight her on it!!!!!#while briar did everything for apple and apple barely ever tried to see her point of view!!!!!#i'm fucking losing it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Maybe I'm overthinking things, but Ido you think there's a narrative purpose in the fact that Asmodeus adopted her demon form (the one with the gruesome heads and tail) after being separated from Sarah? If she can regenerate and shapeshift, then why choose to look like this?
Because it looks fucking awesome! Next question please!
No, seriously, I suspect after parting ways with Sarah Asmodeus somewhat had to rely on her demon form? After all, part of her were cut off by the archangel Raphael and she had to replace it with a different body.
Now we learned the Demon Lords loose already enough of their powers if just one part is cut off, like with Belzebub‘s finger.
Imagine how much influence and power Asmodeus did loose with the lower part of her body? Surely she either couldn‘t transform to a different looking body most of the time due to her limitations, or she didn‘t want to (fair, I‘d say) since she takes great pride in herself and her influence, even after loosing once or twice. Her true demon form is what she is and knowing her and the sin she represents, she‘s not ashamed, neither of her lust nor her apperance.
Also, I could see Asmodeus not turning back to her former self being some sort of „farewell“ to Sarah; her humanized form with wings, reminding the girl of an actual but not fallen angel, belongs to Sarah and Sarah alone. She‘s not around anymore, not Asmodeus‘ anymore, so there‘s no reason to still be this version of herself. The Demon Lord with a monstrous upper body is who she is now, and that's how everyone should see her, now there's no Sarah anymore seeing anything but a monster in Asmodeus.
#idk guys I don't think about the Demon Lords/ Kings/ Queens that often ^^'#that's just my humble view on them formed in like five minutes#one could argue her newer form looks more powerful than the old one. but we don't know how they work so anything could go#and also - against Mr.Priest you only have so much time to hide yourself to fool him#and well Asmodeus learnt better but to mess with him anymore :/#Snickers babbles#Make the Exorcist fall in Love#exorcist wo otosenai#ekuoto#also sorry anon for not answering earlier
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geralt is also a most real depiction of good quality fatherhood and great girldad representation because EVEN THOUGH witchers don’t even experience aging at the same rate as non-GMO humans, EVEN THOUGH it would be “biologically impossible,”
geralt having had been raising a pre-teen girl for maybe a few months to a year already “gave the impression of having aged,” his “face slashed by wrinkles.” the emotional toll on this man from raising she-devil ciri
and this is only the very beginning of the saga. BEFORE everything goes to shit. the wrinkles have set in
#i know this is description is colored by triss’… [sighs] aroused… point of view#but the lines in the second screenshot are such a good description of him come on 🥺#same with when cahir sees ciri then him at thanedd#it’s not canon but please also apply to yennefer post-thanedd 🙏#can you imagine geralt and yennefer reuniting at stygga castle and yennefer only got even more MILFy#sorry. who said that#it’s actually surprising that when geralt frees her from her shackles#we don’t get a paragraph about how he was down bad. not the time geralt but you know he would be thinking ‘ravishing’#meanwhile yennefer is covered in blood and bruises and her hands are fucked from torture and geralt’s still adoring her beauty#yennefer: at her most undignified | geralt: i would worship her#yes yes i know they were defeated and horribly empty at stygga castle#but i’m just saying despite it all the love and attraction persisted. despite IT ALL#you know like they changed so much and got even more fucked up and traumatized#well i’m just raising my hand to say well also they also got sexier.#actually fuck it remember she appears like a titaness for a brief moment. her short queen REALNESS#like i do think geralt deciding to split up is what further doomed the hanza (they were already doomed but you know)#(it was very scooby doo of him to do that)#(on the way there) angoulême sees stygga on the cliffside jutting out above the lake: what?! that creepy castle… nuh-uh…#milva: … would you do it for a bump of fisstech? | angoulême: … | milva: two bumps of fisstech?#um anyways#i was going to say that once geralt freed yennefer it was OVERRR for vilgefortz and skellen and co#BOOO you were all fucked. woman unleashed#remember when bonhart attacks yennefer it is like a lion and a panther in the cell#geralt just unleashed the panther on them#they really should have had yennefer under stronger security like i guess vilgefortz’ misogyny really was the death of him#that is also kind of true because he dies because of geralt’s amulet from fringilla#so it was literally because of several women and a girl and also a vampire that he triumphs#you know when you put dandelion with a group of women it feels like a fox in a henhouse. even if said fox is stupid and gets kicked#however putting regis with a group of women is something like the angel that appeared to mary#the elbow-high diaries
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Someone reminded me about Himeno's reaction to Yanma chugging the "rainbow jururia" to leave Ishabana ASAP
COMPARED TO HOW SHE REACTS TO RITA CHUGGING THEIR TEA TO LEAVE THE TEA PARTY ASAP
IF THAT'S NOT BUG YURI, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS!!!! щ(゜▽゜щ)
#RITA IS HER EXCEPTION#SHE WILL EXCUSE POOR TABLE MANNERS IF IT'S RITA BC SHE WANTS TO SPEND TIME WITH THEM#GRAAAAAGHHHHH#(I mean I don't blame Yanma. his whole view of her was ruined like 10 minutes ago)#but the Queen of the Country of Beauty and Medicine#overlooking poor table manners that is chugging tea behind a mask#JUST TO GET TO KNOW HER FELLOW KING SHE WANTS TO ACTIVELY BEFRIEND#AAAAAGHHHH#okie I'm done#kingohger#king ohger#ohsama sentai kingohger#rita kaniska#rita kanisuka#himeno ran#hymeno ran#himerita#hymerita#bug yuri#super sentai
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It just occurred to me that we've not had an in depth portrayal of Henry VIII and Jane Seymour since the Tudors. Or just, Jane Seymour in general. So I am really curious to see how Mirror and the Light/Wolf Hall is going to handle them.
We get to know about her family, we'll learn about Elizabeth Seymour as well, and how important she is.
#and maybe we have I just haven't seen#most of the portrayals of jane are very much her being viewed as the 'other woman'#which isn't at all fair#she is never truly given her own type of spotlight#at least until like i said#the tudors#and there is either over pacification of her or over villainization of her#and by pacification - i mean people just portray her as a mindless doe like character#who has no type of motives or goals of her own#when it was her who worked tirelessly to introduce mary back to court#and it was her who was sympathetic to the catholics and the pilgrimage of grace#anywayzzzz#can't wait to see how wolf hall handles her#and if this is going to be a type of portrayal that is everlasting - like the tudors#jane seymour#wolf hall#henry viii#mirror and the light#i do know that most of the focus in the new series is going to be Thomas Cromwell - whom I am obsessed with to the point of#I think it's best not to talk abt him or y'all would look at me weirdly#but what I'm saying is i'm not going to expect *too* much#because the tudors was really focusing on the queens and not the courtiers#and mirror and the light's main focus is certainly the courtiers
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"[Matilda of Boulogne's office as Queen of England], initiated and broadly defined by the coronation ordo, gave her royal power and authority to share in governance. Her obligations and activities were shaped by custom established by previous queens and the ad hoc needs of king and realm. [...] [Matilda's] thorough integration into the governance of the realm was not repeated in [Eleanor of Aquitaine’s] years as queen of England. Eleanor's coronation followed a new model that emphasized the queen as progenitor of royal heirs and subordinate to the king rather than as sharer of royal power. Though Eleanor acted as regent in England between 1156 and 1158 and in Poitou on several occasions from 1165 on, her writs suggest delegated rather than shared royal authority. In England, her power was limited by the lack of lands assigned to her use and by the elaboration of financial and judicial administration. Whereas [Matilda of Boulogne's] inheritance allowed her to play an integral role in politics by securing the Londoners' loyalty and a steady supply of mercenaries, Eleanor's inheritance provided her with more extensive power in Poitou and Aquitaine than in England. Until 1163, Eleanor withdrew funds from the Exchequer by her own writ, but unlike her Anglo-Norman predecessors, she was not a member of its council nor did she issue judgments from the royal court. Eleanor's counsel and diplomatic activities, in contrast to Matilda's, are rarely mentioned. She did, however, encourage the 1159 Toulouse campaign and supported Henry in the Becket affair and the coronation of young Henry. Eleanor was not a prominent curialis; she rarely witnessed Henry's charters or interceded to secure the king's mercy. She did follow in Matilda's footsteps in her promotion of her sons, cultivation of dynastic goals through the Fontevraudian tombs, and patronage that reflected her family's traditions. For Matilda, to be queen encompassed a variety of functions-curialis, diplomat, judge, intercessor, and "regent." Through a combination of factors, Eleanor's role as queen was much more restricted."
-Heather J. Tanner, "Queenship: Office, Custom or Ad Hoc", Eleanor of Aquitaine: Lord and Lady (Edited by Bonnie Wheeler and John Carmi Parsons)
#this is so interesting when it comes to the gradual evolution of queenship over the years (post-Norman to early modern)#eleanor of aquitaine#matilda of boulogne#queenship tag#historicwomendaily#english history#my post#don't reblog these tags but#the irony of the 'Eleanor of Aquitaine Exceptionalism' rhetoric is that not only is it untrue#but you could actually make a much more realistic argument in the opposite direction#We know that it was during Eleanor's time as queen of France that 'the queen's name was disappearing from royal documents' (Ralph Turner)#She did not enjoy an involvement in royal governance that her mother-in-law Adelaide of Maurienne enjoyed during her time as queen#As Facinger points out 'no sources support the historical view of Eleanor as bold precocious and responsible for Louis VII's behavior'#Even as Duchess of Aquitaine she played a secondary role to Louis who appointed his own officials to the Duchy#Only four out of her seventeen ‘Aquitanian’ charters seem to have been initiated by Eleanor herself#And now it seems that even Eleanor's role as queen of England was also more restricted than her predecessors#with new coronation model that was far more gendered and 'domestic' in nature#That's not to argue that it meant a reduction in the queen's importance but it does mean that the 'importance' took on a different form#There's also the fact that Eleanor's imprisonment and forced subjugation to Henry after the rebellion till the end of her life#was probably what set the precedent for her sons' 'Lord Rules All' approach with their own wives (Berengaria and Isabella)#as Gabrielle Storey has suggested#None of this is meant to downplay Eleanor's power or the impact of her actions across Europe - both of which were extensive and spectacular#But it does mean that the myth of her exceptionalism is not just incorrect but flat-out ridiculous
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