#then Ruby Sunday is dead

[great-pan-is-dead]

I appreciate you all from the bottom of my heart, but there's a trend with TimeRogue fics that had Ruby having left before the Doctor ever finds Rogue, and there's many things that could be said there about fandom, but my stone to grind is that Ruby Sunday is canonically Go Find Your Man Advocate No.1. Show my heartbreak queen the respect she deserves

[upslapmeal]

"but Pyramids of Mars established that Sut-" my friend this is the three-separate-explanations-for-Atlantis show, as far as I'm concerned they can have a free-for-all when it comes to real-world mythology

"but they're ruining the canon!!" buddy I got good news for you, Doctor Who canon is a buffet and you don't have to eat anything you don't want to

[ngatwa]

AU: The Doctor needs help with Sutekh

[claraoswalds]

It's racist, my dear, to be blunt. People come from outside, they think we're all witches and druids. For God's sake, child, you walked into a piece of string!

[intuitive-revelations]

I don't know if I'm excited or frustrated at the 'future children' angle for Susan's origin. On one hand... I'm very interested in the possible links to the likes of Miranda, the Other etc.

On the other hand... ok confession time: This may make me a minority in the fandom, but I actually really dislike the 80s-90s retcons of Susan's origin. (Birth of a Renegade, Lungbarrow etc.)

I kinda just like her and the Doctor being some of the last surviving members of what was once a family on Gallifrey. I find the mystery and tragedy of what happened on Gallifrey, with implied student uprisings and political assassinations, far more intriguing than any twists saying "actually she's not really his granddaughter". Fortunately, some things can be canonwelded into that (eg. Susan really could be also related to the president / descended from Rassilon), but stuff that actually gives her an origin elsewhere is always a pain.

Idk. I just see once being a parent (and losing it all tragically) as such a crucial part of the Doctor's background and Susan fits very well into that as far as I'm concerned. Anything disconnecting her from that, or worse erasing it completely, ultimately damages what I find to be one of the most compelling things about the Doctor and Susan. :/

The few posts I've already seen talking about this suggests this is an unpopular opinion, but I'd be interested to know what people think, and if they agree or disagree...

[abraincellandahalf]

The entire plotline of The Legend of Ruby Sunday/Empire of Death implies that Sutekh learnt about the "don't blink" rule in Blink and actively chose to ignore it allowing the weeping angels to capture the Tardis, like, what was his plan? What was he thinking?

[roxannepolice]

I'm becoming more and more convinced Ruby is going to end the season just fine. And I draw this belief purely from the fact that she's been Road Running her way through falling snowmen, being eaten as a baby, having her whole DNA butterflied, a nuclear war, clinical death, near nuclear war and biological death, interacting with Lindy Pepper-Bean, and matrixing her brain with martial arts off screen.

Just, if you kill her at the end it would feel like Spanish Inquisition getting the hang of people being unbothered by soft cushions.

[lonelygodscompanion]

i have to say it was a crazy move on russell's part to have ruby go through her own version of turn left/the girl who waited FOUR episodes into knowing the doctor

[timespacegirls]

steven moffat repping all writers by being physically unable to write one episode of doctor who without brutally murdering someone important

[dandelionjack]

i hope ruby gets a well-that’s-alright-then-style notdeath. on the one hand it will make haters mad because oh no not another companion with an impermanent end (and i like to see haters mad) on the other it would require creativity to depict this in a new way + i love all the implications i love the dark fairytale quality of these companion exits i love my un-undead schrodinger’s women

with the way the legend of ruby sunday is titled… legends aren’t usually told about living people. legends are stories of the bygone past, of an age long since over, fictionalised and overgrown with folklore like barnacles sticking to an abandoned shell. there is such a thing as a living legend, but they’re exceedingly rare. the unmistakeable raven’s call in the 73 yards teaser, the trailer’s cut to fifteen crying alone after promising to cherry he’d protect her daughter… the foreshadowing is clear as day…

and yet. there’s one massive HOWEVER. ruby appears in s15: millie’s been spotted on set filming it. which leads me to believe — the doctor isn’t one to take the time travel route and revisit companions that in his future are genuinely dead. that would hurt too much, it would cause unnecessary trauma and could break the timeline. that must mean ruby stays alive in some way. ish. she’s alive and a legend and a mystery. girl-ballad girl-song girl-paradox

here she is, fading out.

p.s.: thesis statement on moffatgirls from the tags i left on somebody else’s post about charley pollard.. well it belongs here since it’s basically the semiotic hurricane swirling around ruby at the moment :)

[master-missysversion]

I think Ruby has died Almost as many times as Rory Williams, impressive

[theangelshavethephonebox]

Sutekh's Sexy Adventure

I am truly, truly sorry for this. Doesn't mean I regret it. It's about Sutekh seducing the TARDIS - slightly spoilery for the legend of ruby sunday, sorry!

[the-jedi-ninja]

the physic damage that I got when Ruby Sunday said "I was born in 2004"

[thetorturedlovergirl]

Did I like the resolution of the episode ? No, it was obvious. I didn’t expect more tbh.

But I find very interesting those episodes where the central theme is the companion and how they manage without The Doctor being there to save them, because you see how strong and surprising they are, how far they can go without him. How they wait for him but he arrives late or doesn't show up. But they still live their lives and learn to adapt or solve the new problem that plagues them.

I loved Ruby in this episode and how she learned to live after that mysterious woman and her mysterious words took everything from her. She lost her mother to that woman, the Doctor disappeared because he stepped on a fairy circle (bro, start looking at the floor please, next time you'll step on a trap you can't escape from or maybe something disgusting. I don't know but still LOOK AT THE FLOOR!!) and no one agrees to help her. We don't know what convinces people that she's a hopeless case and not to contact her, or how that works! Bc Ruby couldn't hear over the phone what the woman said to Carla, but Kate heard what the woman told the UNIT soldiers, so that's interesting (and will probably never be answered).

She’s a 19 year old girl with no one to go for confort or for help, so she takes matters into her own hands. She’s resilient, she survives. She copes with the fact that the woman won’t go, will follow her forever, no one can get rid of her, and no one can help her. so she learned how TO USE HER TO HER BENEFIT! SHE SAVED EVERYONE FROM THAT MANIAC!

With how the episode was built I expected the end to be bland, to be confusing and to not solve a lot of things. But, it wasn’t bad, it wasn’t the worst episode ever and I loved Ruby bc she’s a sassy, crazy and intelligent woman (ohh I’m in love)

[thekinglemingle]

RTD finally got to do the Companion returns to the present to find the villain of the week has destroyed history scene he's been trying to include since he wrote it for Rose in The Unquiet Dead. Good for him.

[mati-log]

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