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At first I was so hyped but now I'm starting to dread seeing anything about the NJO/Daisy Ridley movie..... just the barest sequel trilogy content is enough to trigger anxiety in me like I haven't felt since 2019.... if I could go back in time to 2014 I would simply shackle myself up in a pervert basement with no WiFi access for 5 years
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I made this post posing the question the read along the lines of "How would these characters react to their friend or S/O, Y/N, coming home after a big fight that made them temporarily forget about a prescheduled meet-up at their (Y/N's) place?" or something to that effect. Here's what I have for the selected individuals.
TW: The reader [that's you] gets into a big fight, mentions combat, blood, violence, & bandaging. Comfort at the end of each. Reader is in a dress on Mac's part for "Fabric in the Midnight Wind" effect~.
A/N (Author's Note): I'm labeling this as NSFW as it is dealing with violent elements. I'll make a traditional NSFW version if this one gets some traction via reblogs. Since there is a lot to read in one sitting, I'll sever this up to the Three Monkey Bois for now. On with the reading, enjoy.
Monkey Trio x Hurt!Reader
Sun Wukong, The Monkey King
Translation: "I have a way to make you truly confident!" 𫣠đł
>Boy! If you never live to see a single soul genuinely worry for your well-being, Sunny/Sunshine/Sundrop would be the lone beacon of an example you would ever think of.
>Hey was just chilling on your sofa, munching on some peach chips you had stored up for him, snug in a pile of blankets, pillows & plushies while awaiting your arrival.
>He came in a bit earlier to get y'all's movie night all set up so you could both relax, watch some movies (most are his own but they're from your collection anyway, being the 2nd biggest SWK fan right beside MK although Sun could argue who's who in that arena), then have a nice conversation before falling asleep on the amassed cushions while basking in each other's presence.
>The door clicked open before it screamed from your falling into the mudroom portion of the entrance, closing with just as much force as you close it with your foot. You grunt from your prone position into an uncomfortable kneeling one with a bit of effort just to be jump-scared by your simian companion.
>"What happened!?" "Why didn't you call me!?" "Who did this to you!?" "Your knuckles are redder than my scarf!"
>You settled your index finger over his mouth prompting his lips to zip together momentarily as you spoke lowly, your crimson essence oozing from somewhere just behind your hairline & over your face like a scene out of a horror film.
"Sunshine, Sundrop, Sunny, I love you & all, but I have the worst migraine imaginable right now & I'd greatly appreciate it if you could crank the energy down to a two for tonight. Please?"
>You try to stand but the shifting upsets the injuries to your leg & head causing you to falter shortly. Luckily, SWK has you covered.
>He sweeps you onto the softest cloud you could ever imagine & eases you the the bathroom where he helps bandage you almost to the point of mummification, only stopping when your wounds' blood flow does.
>The apology for forgetting about the meet-up was quickly fanned off as he stated that he was just glad that you were alive & had the strength to make it home.
>Without a moment to process movement, you were placed dotingly in the nest of new & old fabrics as SWK spoke with you about what happened unless you didn't want to talk about it.
>Either way, the night draws to a close with the two of you subdued by slumber & a plumbing adrenaline boost.
>At times like these, SWK wished he had Macaque's hearing so you would always be safe. Always.
â˘Bonus points if Y/N's eyes are bloodshot to such a degree that makes them match SWK in a macabre way, be it from fatigue, something thrown into their eyes, or even some cheap temple-based shots.
(((The Six-Eared))) Macaque
>>This one got out of hand & pocket for me, I apologize.
>Mans was so proud of you, that's a fact.
>For obvious reasons, Mac is a special case. Y'know, with him being nearly omniscient & all that to an uncanny degree.
>He heard it.
>No ifs, &s, or buts, he heard you struggling & portalled to the parking lot you had been ganged up into.
>When he got there, he couldn't move as he was watching you take the punks out left, right & center.
>Looks like you had been watching him closer than he originally thought.
>True, you learned his moves to a T, but there were many new moves he had not shown you nor did he learn of these moves until then.
>He couldn't resist sneaking closer, hiding in the shadows of light posts, the building the lot is connected to, even in the shadow of already fallen opponents just to watch you. Admire you.
>He had never seen you, his patient, doting, tiny slice of divine decadency, go absolutely feral on a pack of semi-post-pubescent punks before or on anyone or thing for that matter.
>You were rage personified; limbs snapped like malnourished celery stalks, punches to the torso forcing their knees to buckle lending to your own knee's task of colliding almost mercilessly collide with its target's face with a sickening smack, your nails digging into their now-exposed flesh as the battle left you with no other option but to strip the young adult males of their slivers of protection.
>All of this started just because none of them, not a single one, could or would take "No" as an answer to their sleazy, seedy, downright disgusting "generous offers" which led to them ganging up on you in the store's parking lot which escalated to the beating the few alpha-minded ingrates were receiving currently.
>They tore your dress up anyway, this angered you to the point of whooping them as Mac had bought that for you. It was a simple, comfy, modest dress to match your overall vibes, nothing skimpy or gaudy, but you were not pleased.
>In the heat of the fight, you had dropped the groceries you gathered just for your & Mac's night together; plums, sweets, a well-sized but not massive blanket to cuddle under, even a horror movie the two of you have been meaning to watch together for months up to this point.
>While you handed the last opponent's own backside to them on a silver platter, Mac sneakily gathered the miraculously safe items from beside your bicycle so as to not distract you from your feral focus & set them into the basket, simultaneously watching you send the remaining idiot whimpering off like the cowardly cockroach they were.
>Once you finish scolding the crawling mess now at least a few yards from you, Mac chuckled.
>"Mac!? How long were you standing there??" Your primordial bloodlust plummeted once your eyes landed on the lone trustworthy male as he stood under the flickering, stained light of the decrepit lamp post you parked under so far from the store because of a rude worker who threatened you far earlier. His smile sent rosey tones over your face.
>"Calm down, Sugar Plum. I heard you having a scuffle & came to help. Looks like you did a lot more studying than just watching me in the Dojo, huh?" That iconic smirk of his sent your soft pink face into a richer red that singed the forming bruise on your cheek & corresponding cut into an agitated throb. He leans to remove his cloak/cape, settling it over your shoulders as the chilly night air starts to reach through your heated skin.
>"Even though I think you look absolutely ravishing like this, I am still upset about those creeps touching you at all." You cock your not-so-sore brow at him. A smart comment was forming but wilted as you looked down, frowning at your garbs.
>Yes, you could sew it back together but it was the idea of the garb that Mac had searched & selected just for you that made you sad.
>"I could always get another dress for you." You shake your head at his kind offer before smiling.
>"& miss out on having tangible story markers? No way! These rips may look unseemly, but they are important & signify lessons well learned. I can patch 'em up, Mac. No worries."
>You welcomed wounds & injuries with torn fabric to boot over a few self-learned lessons? He should take a page or two from your book.
>His smile reflected yours, with all the warmth & kindness you've shown each other for nearly a year now.
>The walk through one of his portals, bike & groceries in tow, & into your home's front entrance area was probably one of the calmest moments of your day.
>Like SWK, Mac gathered plushies, pillows & the only blanket you had that wasn't washing right then onto your loveseat sofa.
>He tried brewing tea for you earlier but tripped & spilled it on the mound of blankets while trying to bring the whole kettle, sugar/sweetener & milk/cream to the softest place in the dwelling, leaving the current one being the lone survivor in the soaking accident.
>It was patterned with cartoon macaque monkeys chasing uncanny anthropomorphic bananas. Cute, though this was a gag gift from a relative of yours. You kept it anyway.
>While he bandaged your semi-dressed form, you worked on the dress after getting most of the blood out of its fabric.
>If he wasn't so busy trying not to bind your wounds too tightly or loosely, he'd be peacefully watching your needle pass through the garb's wounds as it pulled the thread behind it.
>The rest of the night was spent with small talk & cuddles, snacks, & a long-awaited horror movie you both giggled through.
>Slumber followed soon after the credits rolled in. Well, for you it did.
>Mac stayed up, watching your bruised, bludgeoned, slightly bleeding form's chest move as you breathed, your heart's recently rabid pace now slowed to its calmest rhythm.
>He made a mental note to dismantle each & every one of those creepers mentally & physically in due time, a devout note at that.
>For now, he rests his tail on you as his dreams follow his arms carefully curling around your tender body.
>Unmitigated dreams of a bloodied, armor-clad you wooing him Fabio style did little to calm his heart rate.
MK (Monkey Kid)
>He was slightly different from the two later seniors in terms of setup.
>He had the comfy setup but it was all around your coffee table where fun, colorful board games sat in their boxes with plates of apple slices, fruit salads & favored drinks & dips placed near it. Video games acted as a backup plan this time.
>The real meal was simmering on your stove.
>He even made a checklist & focused on it with all his heart & mind.
>He only got distracted twice! You'd be so proud of him once you came home!
>This is where MK is teetering between SWK & Mac; he was sitting patiently, doodling for a bit until he sensed something was off, like Mac.
>He chose Mac's route to head out & find you ASAP but was hindered by your limping shape stepping around the corner.
>He would have apologized for not watching where he was going if it weren't for you asking him why he was out this late all by himself.
>Cue the SWK reaction: "What happened!?" "Who did this!?" "Let's get you inside!" All of this was said in one compressed breath as he ushered you through the front door & onto the cushioned floor.
>He rushes to your bathroom to find the First Aid kit you always kept filled to the gills with life-saving tools. "Lifesaving" being defined as bumps & boo-boos by MK's racing mind.
>When he turns to see what you're giggling at, you catch his temple with your lips, smiling admiringly at his reaction.
>"My hero~." You compliment as he falls over in a plumb of blush, still gripping the bandages leading to your half-wrapped limb.
>He regains his composure enough to finish his task & hug onto you, only leaving to make your respective meals.
>The meals, drinks & snacks were delicious, the board games were simple enough. You both came to a tie on a racing game, calling a truce in trade of small talk on the gathered bedding beneath you two.
>Sleep was a slow-moving thing when you were with MK, his excitable energy was contagious & activated by anything & everything.
>You both randomly plummet into respite as MK dreams of a cheesy scene based on your complaint earlier.
A/N: OK, this was a bit short, but I'll be making more of this later. Mei, Sandy, Pigsy & Tang are next! Find my master list here!
Finishes one piece/part of a series. Five milliseconds later, me:
#prompts#writers on tumblr#mature#just thinking#reader insert#fanfiction writer#lmk mk#lmk sun wukong#lmk monkey king#lmk x reader#lmk macaque#lmk
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tagged by @full---ofstarlight and @maryxoliver for this âpeople youâd like to know betterâ tag game! ty for the tag :3c
Three Ships:
Jason Grace and Nico di Angelo from the Heroes of Olympus: This is one of those ships that just itches the right part of my brain. Jason Grace is one of my favorite characters ever, and his quest to try and balance his need to be a leader and a protector with his desire to be allowed to be an individual is so interesting to contrast with Nico who by this point is so firmly himself. But Nico has been hurt a lot and assumes he will never be trusted, even as Jason is trying to insist that he is someone who matters to their group and is trusted. So Nico decides to test him - in a dangerous moment, holding something the rest of the group thinks is poison, Nico holds the glass to Jason and says 'How much do you trust me?" And Jason looks him dead in the eye and drinks it no hesitation. Because his own life matters less than showing Nico is worthy of trust. They are sun and shadow, sky and earth, storm and death, they are the golden boy and the outcast. It's a delicious ship and it feeds me.
Fanfic rec: Dungeons and Jason by betsib
Taran and Eilonwy of Llyr from The Chronicles of Prydain: They are everything to me. They are the blueprint. You have friends to lovers, you have battle couple, you have princess and the farm boy, you have two people who genuinely want to find ways to improve themselves in order to be more worthy of the other person while also finding ways to grow together. They argue constantly, but there is so much love under it that is there from the very beginning because both of them are trying to navigate having to learn how to communicate with someone else. They are my ship that I have created a thousand aus for and will test any new au I discover for how well I can fit them into it because if they don't fit I probably don't like it that much.
Fanfic rec: I wrote two oneshots but also anything by Saeriellyn is incredible
Pacifica Northwest and Dipper Pines from Gravity Falls: My friends tease me about loving a sad rich girl and they aren't wrong, so I felt kind of targeted by Pacifica's arc in season 2 of Gravity Falls because it made her so exactly my type. Particularly in the way we start to see her grow out of it. She and Dipper have each seen each other at their worst which means they don't have to worry about the shields anymore and can push each other into growing and unpacking their own traumas and bad habits. But also we start to get all these hints that she can actually relate to him at his nerdiest once she has permission to do so, and I love that he can find someone who can operate at his level while she finds someone who gives her permission to be so much less than perfect and thus actually real.
Fanfic rec: The Worst Neighbor Ever by Proseandsongs
Last Film:
The Hobbit (1977): I found this streaming and was absoltuely delighted to watch it this morning. I have so many fond memories of this movie and it did not disappoint. The animation is wild, Bilbo spends the whole movie throwing massive shade, Gollum looks like an absolute nightmare, and it's a musical the way it should be.
Currently Watching:
My roommate and I are about to finish up Mentopolis on Dimension 20 and I'm losing my mind a little bit over how this season is going. I can't wait to see how it resolves!
My writing shows at the moment are The Great British Bake Off Holiday Specials, The Christmas Cookie Challenge, and my annual rewatch of Midsomer Murders.
Currently Reading:
Nothing really because most of my books are still in boxes and I haven't had the spoons to start unpacking them while I still have that hole in my wall. I'm dipping in and out of this Rick Riordan Presents collection called The Cursed Carnival, but it's my current work book.
Currently Consuming:
I have a bunch of leftover pumpkin pie and I just had a huge slice of that along with some tea called 'Cold Comfort'.
Currently Craving:
A yule log. One of those fancy chocolate swirled sponges with cream in the middle and fancy decorations that is actually made well and that I don't have to attempt to bake myself.
Or a whole bunch of different fancy eclairs. I want to try all the eclairs.
(Yes. I am watching baking shows I want all the things.)
tagging: @aidanchaser @stolenmelody @starrattlerofprydain @bookwyrm-of-the-emerald-star @givemonetatry
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Hello, Iâm asking for a Tom holland request where the reader is jealous of zendaya because the reader thinks that Tom and zendaya are a thing but actually they are good friends and Tom has a thing for the reader. Pls tag me on it. Love your work lots of love â¤ď¸
It's Always Been You
Tom Holland x Reader
includes: angst, fluff, friends to lovers
@letssee2468 for you! I took the sad-jealousy route rather than the angry-jealousy route. I was feeling angsty. Hope that's okay :)
Requests are open - I'm slowly working through them!
MASTERLIST
There's something there. You know it. Something otherworldly that it's too perfect to exist in this world. A spark or a connection of some kind because there's no way two humans could belong together more than Tom and Zendaya. If life was a film, they would be the two main characters, and everyone else would be a mere observer to what the perfect life could look like. Honestly, they have it all. Fame, fortune, love, each other.
Why would they want anything else?
For you, your world looks a little more green. Full of jealousy, bitterness and a touch of sadness. Day in and day out, you have to painfully watch how effortlessly their personalities complement each other. Even in their own right, it's so easy to like them as an individual. God, there's so much to love about both of them. Zendaya with her sense of humour that sets off her own infectious laugh, her ability to suit any style or any outfit she's given, and the way she makes your friendship with her genuine and valued. For as much as you appreciate your friendship with her, it's Tom that you find your heart beating towards. It's not your fault that your best friend, her boyfriend, possesses all the traits of your ideal man; attractive but with a heart of gold, affectionate, and annoyingly talented. He wouldn't hesitate to compliment you on your worst of days because it comes so naturally to him.
But together, though, your mind switches. You hate that side of you but you simply cannot control it.
It started a couple of months ago at a pool party in LA and jesus, the flirting between them, it was constant. You sat by the edge of the pool, completely aware of the lingering touches or the puppy-eyed look towards each other when they thought no one was looking. But you were. And it hurt.
Tom had effortlessly lifted her on his shoulders, hands caressing her thighs as they waded through the water. He was gentle, supportive when he needed to be and you couldn't help but wonder what the cold press of his rings would feel like on your own thighs. You looked to your own; thicker, rounder, laden with stretch marks. You didn't wait a second to pull them from the water and hug them closely to your chest.
Then came the Spider-Man press tour. It was Tom's idea to ask you to go with them and your love-sick-puppy brain couldn't say no. You knew that as soon as the first interview came round that you should've declined. You endured hours each day sitting by the sidelines watching how their flirtatious tendencies manifested more than ever in front of the cameras. Her fingers would swim through the growing curls at the nape of his neck, while his gripped around her knee. It was the exposure the world wanted but you didn't need. The most painful part of it all was the guilt you felt when you wished it all away, that even when you saw their happiness together, you wanted to take that from them to feed your own selfish needs.
He was different around you; reserved, quieter, and you nearly cried at the idea that how he acted when he was around Zendaya wasn't Tom being Tom, it was Tom but in love. Nothing of his fleeting glances or his physical affection showed when she wasn't there. You couldn't sing like she could, you couldn't dance like she could, you didn't know how to make everyone you meet smile like she does, and you were convinced that was why you were more or less invisible to him around her.
Since then you made the decision that you couldn't take it anymore, and for the last few weeks, you've been distancing yourself from them, both together and individually. You knew it would hurt to do it, but it hurts more to see what you can't have.
Now, being back in London is a breath of fresh air, and it's good, calm, relaxing.
Tom's birthday comes around. London is cherishing the heat of the sun, bringing in a beautiful welcome into June. Nobody benefits from the gorgeous weather more than the Holland family and friends, especially since having Tom home to celebrate with them.
Your present for him is sat in the corner of your room, neatly wrapped and sealed with a bow. You're minutes away from leaving to join the party, but you're currently trying to fight a battle that's stopping you from going because you know what you're going to see. You can imagine it; the two of them sitting comfortably with heads resting on shoulders, a smile perched on their lips, or following each other with a hand resting on their backs, indulging too much of their presence to separate.
It's agonising how touch-starved you are.
Fortunate that the sun has decided to show today, the ruckus of Holland parties resounds from the back garden this time, and when you arrive at their front door, you can hear music blaring, champagne bottles being opened with a pop and the mirthful conversations blurring into ambiance.
It's Tom that opens the door to you, and he doesn't wait a single second before crossing the threshold and taking you into his arms.
"-oomph, hello to you too!"
"Hello stranger, where've you been? God, I've missed you so much!" He has?
"I've missed you too birthday boy." You squeeze him tightly before he sets you back down onto your feet. You catch his glimmering eyes for a moment too long, so you distract yourself by clearing your throat. "Here. Happy birthday. It's not much, but-"
"No, I love it, thank you. Come in, everyone's dying to see you." Tom eagerly takes you by the hand, fingers intertwined, and guides you through the house and out onto the patio. There's about ten to fifteen people here, the men crowding round the barbecue while the women congregate around the fire pit in the centre of a glass table, champagne flutes sitting daintily in their hands. Out of everyone here, it's Zendaya that races to you first. Tom disappears to get you a drink.
"Oh my God! You're here! How have you been, we've all missed you."
Her hug is tight, genuine, nothing about it screams patronising and your heart twinges with guilt. You hug her back just as eagerly.
'I've missed you too, Z. How are you?"
"A little jet lagged, but nothing alcohol can't fix. Wow, you look amazing, girl. Where the hell have you been hiding? Come on, there's so much I need to catch you up on."
"Oi, oi, oi, I'm the birthday boy here. Me first." From nowhere, Tom's arm slinks around your neck, holding your body against his own and you think you might just go on fire.
"Nuh-uh, chicks before dicks, dude. I have been deprived of girl company for weeks. You can wait your turn."
"Ugh, fine." Tom's groan rumbles against your back. "I'll get you later, yeah?" His voice dips a little lower to your ear. You don't have enough of a stable voice to respond, so you nod your head, take your drink and just like that you are set off in motion with pat to your lower back. Zendaya drags you in your fluster towards the vacant wicker couches further down the garden.
It's barely been ten minutes and you're feeling slightly overwhelmed. Already, your senses are overstimulated with Tom's lingering touches, trying to imprint them onto your own skin before you see them find their way onto Zendaya's.
Despite slightly dreading coming here, time seems to pass by rather quickly. You spent the first few hours talking to Zendaya, finding comfort in her presence as if you haven't spent weeks away from her. You never truly realised how much you missed having her in your life. Surprisingly, she mentions very little of Tom which you think is rather odd considering their relationship, nevertheless there's something inside you that's thankful for it, even if it does go unexplained.
Then food was ready. Then the sun started to drop and so too did the temperature. Now there are games and shenanigans beginning inside, but you aren't quite ready to join them just yet. Left with nothing but your thoughts, you ease yourself into a gentle swing on the cushioned rocking couch all the while watching as the stars sparkle into existence in the sky. The soft coo of a pigeon echoes from the tree in the neighbouring garden, chirping through the dampened pounding of the speakers inside. You inhale, smelling, tasting that warm summer air, the first calm moment you've had since you arrived.
The patio doors slide open and closed quickly, and steps begin to descend down the path towards the couch you sit on.
"Zendaya's got the karaoke out," Tom says as he takes a close seat next to you. "Ran while I could." You share a chuckle with him, but words are falling short. "You alright?"
"Yeah, fine. Perfectly fine."
"I'm glad you came today. It's nice having you around again."
"Of course, I came. Why wouldn't I?" You turn to watch him as he shrugs his shoulders, his eyes staying clear of you.
"You tell me, you've been quite distant recently, y'know? Used to be the three of us all the time and now we barely see you. Zendaya and I were wondering if we had done something to upset you."
His hand sculpts itself around your knee and you can feel chills erupt from the area.
You think that this would probably be the opportune time to tell him that you couldn't watch his and Zendaya's relationship blossom because it was too much for your fragile heart to bare. Now would be the time to admit to him that you envy what he has with Zendaya, and that you would travel to the ends of the Earth to have that same love shown to you. It's probably the only chance you're going to have to confess your feelings towards him...
Instead, you don't. Who're you to get in the way of his happiness?
"No, you guys haven't done anything. You guys just seemed happy with each other and I just wanted to give you some time to enjoy that without having me around to third-wheel." You play it off cooly, chuckling like every word you just said is the truth.
Tom remains eerily quiet, frozen with a glazed-over look to his face. He spits out your name, short and abrupt.
"Zendaya and I...we're not together, like we're not a couple. Never have been, probably never will be."
"What? No, come on. You're bullshitting me right now-"
"I promise, I'm not. We're just good friends." He nudges your shoulder with his own. "I thought you out of all people would've known that."
"No, I...I just assumed," you swallow thickly. "I mean you guys are close, like really close, I mean, fuck, you talked to her more than you talked to me. Even the way you looked at her. I-" A pressed sigh blows through your lips, the truth sitting just on the tip of your tongue. With your head bowed, you mumble very quietly. "Sorry, it's just...I thought you liked her more than you liked me."
Tom sits back, swinging an arm around to stretch along the backrest of the couch, dangling the tips of his fingers to dance across your shoulder. The small movements just slide into your peripheral.
An exaggerated sigh reaches your ears. "What am I going to do with you, eh?"
You shrug your shoulders, attention stuck onto peeling away the label of your cidre bottle. Tom shifts beside you, spinning himself around and laying back against you, his head full of curls resting on your lap. You canât help but giggle at how his legs dangle hazardous off the side of the couch, fidgeting restlessly until he finds the perfect spot.
Brown eyes stare up at you, a knowing grin stretched across his face.
âIf this is the only way I can get you to look at me then so be it.â He nudges his head against your thighs.
âComfy?â
âMore than you could know.â As Tom closes his eyes, you look back up to the scenery before you to take a moment and catch your breath. The lulling swing of the couch has your own eyes closing, listening to the outside ambiance of the slow pigeons coo, and Tomâs breathing on your lap. Your fingers glide through his hair like you thought you would never be able to do, and theyâre softer than you imagined. âYou know something?â
âHm?â
âItâs always been you.â
Your fingers freeze, your heart stumbles over its beats. âWhat?â
âYou always thought I had something for Zendaya, and donât get me wrong sheâs a great person, but-â Tom lifts his hand to cup the back of your head, turning you to face him. âIt's you I can't get out of my head."
"All...all this time?"
"All this time. And believe it or not, I'm a wimp. Think I placed too much of a burden on Zendaya to tell me what to do because I was too much of a nervous wreck around you."
"Well you seem to be doing just fine right now," you giggle.
"Liquid courage. Does wonders. And it's my birthday! You can't say no to me on my birthday."
"Invoking birthday privileges? Cheap move, Holland."
Tom sits up in a fit of giggles. He turns to face you, his arm outstretched across your lap that it cages you in. The mischievous twinkle in his eyes bursts into view, shining as brightly as the stars that watch you from above. You're too engrossed with his smile that you don't notice his hand tucking away the strands of hair that fall just in front of your ear.
"I wish I said something sooner. Would've stopped you running away from me."
"I'm sorry-"
"Don't be. I've got you now, don't I? And since it is my birthday, I think I'm entitled to ask for a birthday kiss."
"I guess I can't say no to the birthday boy, can I?" His fingers trail from your ear to your jaw, grazing the skin until they meet your chin, drawing you closer and closer.
"No you cannot."
Tom guides you into him, lips landing softly onto his. At first, it's a gentle peck, but Tom only releases you for less than a second before tilting his head and kissing you even deeper. His tongue brushes against yours and it's like a fine silk, soaked in the lingering taste of beer, but you don't mind it at all. The noise around you dulls and there's nothing on your mind except Tom. You hum softly as your heart soars in your chest, beating wildly at the way he tenderly draws out your bottom lip with his teeth.
Foreheads meet, your breaths clashing. Both of you can feel the urge to do it all again, and just as your noses skim, you are very promptly, and very rudely, interrupted by a voice shouting from the patio doors.
"IT'S ABOUT TIME!" You both swing your heads round to find Zendaya, standing smug with a hand on her hip. "Come on, lovebirds. The candles aren't going to blow out themselves." With a swift smirk, she trails back inside, leaving the patio doors open.
"She's right, let's go," you concur, once again combing your fingers through his curls. You never noticed that every time you do it, he rolls his eyes back into his head with the flutter of his lids.
"We won't be going anywhere if you keep doing that."
With one final, resolving kiss, Tom leads you back inside by the palm of his hand, indulging too much of your presence to separate.
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The Myths of Forced Diversity and Virtue Signaling.
In my novel Mail Order Bride, the three main characters are a lesbian and two agendered aliens. Â In my novel Scatter, the main character is a lesbian, the love interest is a pansexual alien, and the major side characters include a half Cuban, half black Dominican lesbian, a Chinese Dragon, a New York born Jewish Dragon, and a Transgender Welsh Dragon. Â In my novel The Master of Puppets, the Main Characters are a lesbian shapeshifting reptilian alien cyborg and a half black, half Japanese lesbian. Â The major side characters include three gender fluid shapeshifting reptilian alien cyborgs, and a pansexual human. Â In my novel Transistor, the main character is a Trans Lesbian, the love interest is a Half human/Half Angel non-observant Ethiopian Jew, and the major side characters include a Transgender Welsh Dragon (the same one from Scatter), a Transgender woman, a Latino Lesbian, an autistic man, three Middle Eastern Arch Angels, and a hive mind AI with literally hundreds of genders. Â In my novel The Inevitable singularity, one of the main characters is a lesbian, another has a less clearly defined sexuality but she is definitely in love with the lesbian, and the third is functionally asexual due to a vow of chastity she takes very seriously. Â The major side characters include a straight guy from a social class similar to the Dalit (commonly known as untouchables) in India, a bisexual woman, a man who is from a race of genetically modified human/frog hybrids, and a woman from a race of genetically modified humans who are bred and sold as indentured sex workers.
Why am I bringing all of this up? Â Well, first, because itâs kind of cool to look at the list of different characters Iâve created, but mostly because it connects to what I want to talk about today, which should be obvious from the title of the essay. Â The concepts of âforced diversityâ and âvirtue signalingâ.
For those who arenât familiar with these terms, theyâre very closely related concepts. Â âForced Diversityâ is the idea that characters who arenât neurotypical cisgendered heterosexual white males are only ever included in a story because of outside pressure from some group (usually called Social Justice Warriors, or The Woke Brigade or something similar) to meet some nebulous political agenda. Â The caveat to this is, of course, that you can have a women/women present as long as they are hot, donât make any major contributions to the resolution of the plot, and the hero/heroes get to fuck them before the end of the story. âVirtue Signalingâ, according to Wikipedia, is a pejorative neologism for the expression of a disingenuous moral viewpoint with the intent of communicating good character.
The basic argument is that Forced Diversity is a form of virtue signaling. Â That no one would ever write characters who arenât neurotypical cisgendered heterosexual white males because they want to. Â They only do it to please the evil SJWâs who are somehow both so powerful that they force everybody to conform to their desires, yet so irrelevant that catering to them dooms any creative project to financial failure via the infamous âgo woke, go brokeâ rule.
What the people who push this idea of Forced Diversity tend to forget is that we exist at a point in time when creators actually have more creative freedom than are any other people in history. Â Comic writers can throw up a website and publish their work as a webcomic without having to go through Marvel, DC or one of the other big names, or get a place in the dying realm of the news paper comics page. Â Novelists can self-publish with fairly little upfront costs, musicians can use places like YouTube and Soundcloud to get their work out without having to worry about music publishers. Â Artists can hock their work on twitter and tumblr and a dozen other places. Podcasts are relatively cheap to make, which has opened up a resurgence in audio dramas. Â Even the barrier to entry for live action drama is ridiculously low.
So, in a world where creators have more freedom than ever before, why would they choose to people their stories with characters they donât want there? Â The answer, of course, is that they wouldnât. Â Authors, comic creators, indie film creators and so on arenât putting diverse characters into their stories because they are being forced to. Theyâre putting diverse characters into their stories because they want to. Â Creators want to tell stories about someone other than the generically handsome hypermasculine cisgendered heterosexual white males that have been the protagonists of so many stories over the years that weâve choking on it. A lot of times, creators want to tell stories about people like themselves. Â Black creators want to tell stories about the black experience. Queer creators want to tell stories about the queer experience.
Iâm an autistic, mentally ill trans feminine abuse survivor. Â Every day, I get up and I struggle with PTSD, with an eating disorder, with severe body dysmorphia, with anxiety and depression and just the reality of being autistic and transgender. Â I deal with the fact that the religious community I grew up in views me as an abomination, and genuinely believes Iâm going to spend eternity burning in hell. Â I deal with the fact that people Iâve known for decades, even members of my own family, regularly vote for politician who publicly state that they want to strip me of my civil rights because Iâm queer. Â Iâm part of a community that experiences a disproportionately high murder and suicide rate. Â Iâve spent multiple years of my life deep in suicidal depression, and to this day, I still donât trust myself around guns.
As a creator, I want to talk about those issues. Â I want to deal with my life experiences. Â I want to create characters that embody and express aspects of my lived experience and my day-to-day reality. Â No one is forcing me to put diversity into my books. Â I try to include Jewish characters as often as I can because there have been a number of important Jewish people in my life. Â I include queer people because Iâm queer and the vast majority of friends I interact with on a regular basis are queer. Â I include people with mental illnesses and trauma because I am mentally ill and have trauma, and I know a lot of people with mental illnesses and trauma. Â My work may be full of fantastical elements, aliens and dragons and angels and superheroes and magic and ultra-high technology and AIâs and talking cats and robot dogs and shape shifters and telepaths and all sorts of other things, but at the core of the stories is my own lived experience, and neurotypical cisgendered heterosexual white males are vanishingly rare in that experience.
Now, I can hear the comments already. Â The âokay, maybe thatâs true for individual creators, but what about corporate artwork?â. Â Maybe not in those exact words, but you get the idea.
The thought here is that corporations are bowing to social pressure to include characters who arenât neurotypical cisgendered heterosexual white males, and that is somehow bad. But hereâs the thing. Corporations are going to chase the dollars. Â They arenât bowing to social pressure. Â Thereâs no one holding a gun to some executiveâs head saying, âYou must have this many diversity tokens in every script.â Â What is happening is that corporations are starting to clue into the fact that people who arenât neurotypical cisgendered heterosexual white males have money. Â They are putting black characters in their shows and movies because black people watch shows and spend money on movies. Â They are putting queer people in shows and movies because queer people watch shows and spend money on movies. Â They are putting women in shows and movies because women watch shows and spend money on movies.
No one is forcing these companies to do this. Â They are choosing to do it, the same way individual creators are choosing to do it. Â In the companiesâ cases the choices are made for different reasons. Â Itâs not because they are necessarily passionate about telling stories about a particular experience, but because they want to create art to be consumed by the largest audience possible, which means that they have to expand their audience beyond the neurotypical cisgendered heterosexual white male by including characters from outside of that demographic.
And the reality is, the cries of âforced diversityâ and âvirtue signalingâ almost always come from within that demographic. Â Note the almost. Â There are a scattering of individuals from outside that demographic which do subscribe to the âforced diversityâ and âvirtue signalingâ myths, but that is a whole other essay. Â However, within that demographic, lot of the people who cry about âforced diversityâ see media and content as a Zero-Sum game. Â The more thatâs created for other people, the less that is created for them.
In a way, theyâre right. There are only so many slots for TV shows each week, there are only so many theaters, only so much space on comic bookshelves and so on. Â But at the end of the day, its literally impossible for them to consume all the content thatâs being produced anyway. Â So, while there is, theoretically less content for them to consume, as a practical matter itâs a bit like someone who is a meat eater going to a buffet with two hundred items, and then throwing a tantrum because five of the items happen to be vegan.
The worst part is, if they could let go of how wound up they are about the âforced diversityâ and âvirtue signalingâ they could probably enjoy the content thatâs produced for people other than them. Â I mean, Iâm a pasty ass white girl, and I loved Black Panther.
So, to wrap out, creators, make what you want to make, and ignore anyone who cries about forced diversity or virtue signaling. Â And to people who are complaining about forced diversity and virtue signaling, I want to go back to the buffet metaphor. Â You need to relax. Â Even if there are a few vegan options on the buffet, you can still get your medium rare steak, or your chicken teriyaki or whatever it is you want. Â Or, maybe, just maybe, you could give the falafel a try. That shit is delicious.
#writing#original fiction#media#representation#diversity#the war of souls#the hearts of heroes#The Master of Puppets#scatter#transistor#the inevitable singularity#mail order bride
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Ted Lasso 2x2 Thoughts
Having watched the first two episodes of the second season of Ted Lasso, I exist in two mindsets simultaneously:
I enjoy watching episodes of this situational comedy! It is fun.
I have watched one-sixth of a gut-wrenching film about mental health. I would like to finish the film, but I have no choice but to accomplish this in small increments over the next ten weeks.
Iâve only watched 2x2 one time, but this week is bonkers and Iâm not sure Iâll be able to rewatch before 2x3 airs, so here are my impressions.
I am very, very obsessed with how Jamie just found out George Harrison died (or so he says) and is clearly going to be part of a whole father-son journey with his own dad and Ted and Tedâs own dad and Henry and Sam and Samâs dad...and Ted's actual son is a small child who still believes all the Beatles are alive.
I am also obsessed with every single exchange between Ted and Sharon, which are so fraught, so full of detail, so well-executed. I know a lot of people were pretty bummed that Ted said his favorite book was The Fountainhead, but I donât think Ted or Sharon were being entirely honest about their favorite books. To me it felt like they were using book titles to...not play a game, exactly, but circle around each other a bit. By claiming The Fountainhead, which he admits is a curveball, Tedâs saying heâs independent and committed to his methods, even if all evidence points to some struggles on that front. By claiming Prince of Tides, Sharonâs asking Ted to think more about therapy and psychology and its place in his personal and professional relationships. I donât think either of them are setting out to maliciously lie to each other about books; I actually think that by speaking in this veiled way, they end the episode more open to each other.
I also found it really interesting that (to my memory) weâve never seen Ted obsess over video games, so his whole speech to Sharon about choosing not to deny himself (unlike how she denies herself sugar) also felt like an example he was trying to come up with to prove a point without having to talk about the really core issues in his life. Obviously there are plenty of people who love video games and music, but Ted uses music and music history and trivia and musicals to drive conversations all the time, and itâs genuine. Practically half of his conversations with Beard revolve around music, and when he uses his disarming get-to-know-you tactics on Rebecca last season, it feels (and is) genuine because the first thing he wants to talk about is music. Itâs totally possible that video games are a big thing with him, but it feels like heâs doling out very second- or third-tier examples and metaphors in this psychologist-gaffer relationship that heâs still so cautious about.
Ted panics and tries to give Rebeccaâs biscuits away! The triangulation continues! I love Rebeccaâs little indignation.
I also love her face when she deletes the word âfilthyâ in front of Keeley. The best face. Itâs such a funny moment.
Can I just say that I really liked all the Keeley and Roy stuff...mostly because Iâm not sure that Iâve ever seen a character (especially a female character) realistically masturbate within the context of a character arc on an adorable TV comedy and for this to lead to some realistic embarrassment but also some realistic discussion about a relationship? Itâs pretty lovely, and it made me happy. I continue to feel like the writers on this show are doing a particularly interesting job creating a whole lived-in atmosphere for these characters, and moments like that contribute to that feeling.
Taking a dramatic pivot back to the whole parenthood/fatherhood theme, oof. Tedâs individual conversations with Jamie and with Sam are both really moving, and itâs very âall people are different peopleâ to get confirmation that Tedâs father wasnât necessarily abusive towards Ted the way that Jamieâs father abuses him, but that Tedâs dad had a whole different thing going with himself. I think itâs important that Sam has a supportive father, Jamie has an abusive father, and Ted had a self-abusive (presumably) father as Ted has to deal with his own absence from Henry. And Iâm so interested to see how it all plays out with Jamie returning to the team. I didnât get the impression that anyone upstairs (Rebecca, Keeley, Higgins) were surprised; they all would have known Jamieâs return was happening. I havenât decided how I feel about the team yet--if they were surprised in some way, or more just in a continued state of feeling stunned about Tedâs decision. Either way, itâs a great setup for all the issues with decision-making Tedâs already had and will likely continue to have as things get more difficult for him personally. Iâve been a little surprised by some fan reactions to this choice, because it seems to me that this is VERY clearly a decision that will hurt Sam in particular and the team as a whole, and also very clearly a decision that wasnât done lightly, and also a decision colored by fatherhood-obligation feelings (help the person with the worst dad!), and yeah...itâs just complicated. Iâve seen a few reactions on here that indicate that this is somehow the first time Tedâs ever made a mistake and heâs ruined now, and that just doesnât jive with the flawed, loving, complicated character Iâve been watching for twelve episodes now. Characters on this show donât make mistakes or grey-area decisions for the heck of it or because it creates drama that will be interesting to watch; they make mistakes and grey-area decisions because people regularly do that, especially when theyâre struggling.
Ted and Keeley being delighted by Sharonâs bike was great. The two most enthusiastic characters having a shared enthusiastic reaction to something is awesome.
Rebecca is the real Chaos Hammer! The water bottle gift basket?!? Her face when Keeley points out that there are lots of foods without sugar?!? The way she genuinely seems glad to meet Sharon and totally understands how to conduct herself in this professional relationship (with warmth, a bit of formality, etc.), but she wanted to get in a little dig as payback for Sharon rejecting her BFFâs biscuits?! Even if she was also upset that Ted panicked and tried to give them away in the first place? Lots to think about. And man, I really love that Rebecca seems to feel so much more settled in her friendships that sheâs able to have a little fun. Thereâs a wacky person under all the suit jackets and hairspray and I love her.
I know thereâs a lot more to think about in this episode, but thatâs the stuff thatâs lingering with me after having watched 2x2 first thing last Friday morning. I am super excited for 2x3 and I continue to feel like season 2 is Doing Great Things.
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full thoughts on the chaos walking movie? I want to hear more about it lol I havenât seen it yet
it just...it felt like TKONLG but without EVERY GOOD PART, you know?
scene-wise, the closest individual scene we had to anything in the book was maybe the scene where Viola read Toddâs motherâs book to him? (even that wasnât the same bc that was also the scene where we find out heâs illiterate, and he lets her read it right away, so there was no deep-rooted embarrassment about not being able to read). also it happened in Farbranch. BUT, like it captured the emotion of the OG scene a little, where Viola is reading to Todd and heâs hearing his maâs words and getting emotional about it.
but all the stand-out scenes from the book, i.e. saying goodbye to Ben and Cillian, meeting the girl and getting hit in the head with a branch and bandaging her anyway, ALL of the Aaron fights, the bridge, the massacre of Farbranch, the song of Here, the Spackle, Toddâs illness, the waterfall scene, Haven, NONE of that was in the movie. so imagine all the really important and powerful moments gone
also all the overarching themes? those are gone too. todd becoming a man is HUGE deal in the books. even in his horrible awful town he just wants to feel like he BELONGS and heâs the one person in the entire town being ostracized. two of the biggest secrets in Toddâs whole world are kept from him for the majority of the book because heâs ânot yet a manâ. itâs important to him. and once todd realizes the connection between Prentisstown maturity and murder, he spends the rest of that book WISHING he could be a killer. wishing he could have that kind of strength and seeing himself weak for not being able to kill.Â
all of that?? gone. movie!Todd often chants the familiar âI am Todd Hewittâ (and sometimes âbe a manâ) when heâs nervous or trying to cover something in his Noise, and has a little tiff with Ben and Cillian at the beginning of the movie bc the Mayor sees Todd as a man while Ben and Cillian do not. (thatâs a weird little bit though bc the movie never really explains why the Mayor had such an interest in Todd). but thatâs about it in terms of coming-of-age material in the movie. and about murder. seeing as he doesnât. kill. the. Spackle. let that sink in.
also like. the Noise is shown as a CONCEPT but not as a theme. the THEME of Noise is that, and I quote
âIn this world of information overload, the ability to feel, my boy, is a rare gift indeed.â
or perhaps
âKnowing a manâs thoughts ainât knowing a man.â
or even
âKnowledge is dangerous and men lie and the world changes, whether I want it to or not.â
in this movie, Noise would be described as like. a nuisance at worst and a superpower at best. you can hear most of every manâs thoughts in the movie, though not a constant, never ending stream. just just bits sporadically at either plot-convenient or comedic times. the Mayor (and at one point Ben, and at one point Todd) uses his Noise to construct illusions around people kind of similar to that Jake Gyllenhaal villain in Spiderman: Far From Home.Â
but neither of these two main examples really SHOW the themes that Patrick Ness showed us in the books. that Noise is powerfully ANNOYING; that it can quickly break down relationships between groups of people; that it can be manipulated making large lies still possible.
like, remember when in the books, Todd and Viola get to Farbranch and poor Todd is absolutely GOBSMACKED that 1. the women are ALIVE and 2. the men and women are living together?? in harmony?? what the eff?? and you see Hildy in Tamâs Noise and just how much they genuinely love each other and Todd is like âdamn we ainât in Prentisstown anymore Mancheeâ. and you can just see based on the contrast that Prentisstown people are a whole different breed compared to the kindness of Farbranch?
in the movie Todd has a few moments of inner dialogue where heâs like âoh man thatâs a woman. thatâs nutsâ and then we move on. his world should be turned upside down here and its not. and the difference between the two towns is that they kinda just made it seem like, yeah, Noise is annoying so we have the men sleep separately from the women so we all get a little peace, and itâs fine. thatâs how Farbranch deals with it. it all just feels very blasĂŠÂ
(i canât remember specifically where this happens, probably either in Farbranch or cutting back to the Prentisstown men getting ready to march, but at some point a leader ends up saying something to a crowd of people and you can see how just one sentence spreads through an entire group of men and how they all start amplifying it and getting more and more panicked and i did think the mob mentality was cool. it reminded me of the beginning of The Ask and the Answer were the Mayor is addressing the citizens of Haven and you get that moment where the whole crowd flinches over the words of one man.)
and in all of this Iâve barely mentioned Viola. my wonderful girl. how theyâve massacred her story. god.
all of Violaâs development for the first half of the book is tanked from the start bc you SEE the crash, you see her stealing food from Ben and Cillianâs house (thatâs the inciting incident of the movie), she talks to the Mayor in Prentisstown almost immediately after Todd finds her and his Noise helps everyone locate her, she talks to Todd a lot before getting to Farbranch after they escape Prentissown. the book does a LOT of work for Viola by having her mute and scared for the beginning and slowly showing how she comes to trust Todd. and how even after their incessent bickering in Farbranch they still choose to escape together because they know the army is after them specifically and theyâre all the other has. that progression is really important in the book, as well as afterwards when we see how snarky Viola can actually be when speaking, how she thinks this entire planet is BACKWARDS and she canât wait til her ship comes and shows them a thing or two about how to live.
movie Viola, well. she wants to find a way to communicate with her ship. sheâs under the impression that since her scout ship crashed theyâre gonna assume sheâs dead and leave her behind. even though the Mayor brings up the settlers a lot after he learns about them, Viola curiously never really brings them up in any other context besides they need to come and get her. like it really made it sound like she planned on calling them, having them scoop her, and then theyâd all just fucking leave, i guess. i donât know what her end goal was besides CALLING HER PEOPLE which became the main point of the movie. the Mayor trying to find Todd and Viola so he could....use her to contact the ship?? that was also kind of unclear. and Viola trying to get to a communicator possibly so she could get the hell out of dodge. idk if that was her actual plan, but it was certainly what Todd was thinking, enough to where I was wondering if he was going to sabotage her mission in order to force her to stay (yeah. yeah. he had that energy about him and it was grosss)
and quickly, since all the animals couldnât talk the way they do in the book, Manchee was more of a cute prop than anything. i could have gotten over it if he was useful in any way, but he never even like attacked a dude to save Todd or anything like that. so when he died it was sad on a dog-level but not a character level, since besides sitting next to Viola like twice while she cried he really added nothing to the story. also the shock of animal death was greatly reduced already since Toddâs horse that he used to escape Prentisstown from got a broken leg after he rode him off a cliff, so Todd used the knife (off-screen, thank god) to put him down. so Manchee getting killed was kind of lessened a little since my man Whiskey got nixed like 40 min earlier in the film.
this is getting long so Iâll cut it here since Iâm gonna probably post about this a thousand more times. but yeah. if you watched it completely divorced from the books you would probably think âthat was a cool concept but also what was the point of any of thatâ which is basically what most people thought based on the review headlines iâve read. and if you are an avid book fan youâre gonna think youâre watching something else entirely.
#chaos walking#chaos walking movie#cw movie#chaos walking spoilers#violaeade#long post#ill def be posting about this more bc its all ive thought about for days#@ everyone i am always willing to discuss chaos walking#if you wanna send me an ask or DM me im open for business#kelly got an ask
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Ranked: Hannah Montana â Jake Ryan Episodes
Here we are at last: Jake Ryan. Â I think you all probably couldâve seen this coming, but I had to keep you waiting (and gather my thoughts a bit). Â Of Mileyâs canon love interests, Jake (Leslie) Ryan is the one that gets the most screentime overall, and happens to be my personal favorite match for her, so it only makes sense to dedicate a Ranked post to him. Â As per usual, Iâll be revealing these rankings from Worst->Best, in reverse-order of how much I liked them.
Which brings us to probably the most unambiguous âWorstâ ever:
âThe End of the Jake As We Know Itâ (Season Four)
Yeah. Â Of all the episodes on this list, this is the only one I actively dislike. Â I donât think this one was too much of a shock to anyone, but let me talk about why anyway:
This is the first and only time Jake shows up in Season 4.  Heâs barely shown in Season 3, which weâll talk about a little more further down, but he really just seems to appear solely to be dragged through the mud, and then unceremoniously shooed out so Miley can ride off into the sunset with Jesse. I donât even necessarily have a problem with them breaking up.  I wouldnât be happy about it, but you could at least give a better reasonâ youâve done it before!  Twice! And thereâs a perfectly good reason right there in front of them: theyâve been apart for a while, they liked each other as kids, but now that theyâre getting older and growing into separate lives, theyâre growing apart.  But no, letâs just have him randomly cheat on her, because thatâs totally a satisfying conclusion to a multi-season arc.  Calling one of your most beloved recurring characters a dick for 30 minutes is peak comedy, amirite?
This is also the only time in Season 4 that Oliver is actually an important part of an episode? He shows up for like 5 minutes in the Finale, but really, the Season 4 episode where he has the most screentime is this one. Â And while thereâs nothing wrong with how Oliver is written here, it just makes a little extra mad, because most of his screentime is focused on this dumbass plot development. Â I canât help but think, They brought back my man for this?! on both counts.
But letâs move on to less loathsome episodes, shall we?
âHe Could Be The Oneâ (Season Three)
Okay, I might catch some shit for this. Â I know. This episodeâs very popular. Â I am aware of that. Â And I donât actually hate this episode, like with the other one. Â I like the song, I like Miley asserting herself to her dad when it comes to her dating life, Lilly and Oliver are on-point (although that does kind of apply to the last episode too), and I even liked most of the interactions between Miley and Jake. Â That said, hereâs why Iâm ranking it so low:
THE ONLY REASON IT EXISTS IS TO SET MILEY UP WITH SOMEONE ELSE.
Everything from the start of the episode to the weird reframing of Miley and Jakeâs complicated past to the focus on Miley bonding with someone else, thinking about that someone else when sheâs singing to Jake, talking about how she wants to kiss that someone else so badly except for the inconvenient fact that sheâs with Jake, to the episode treating them like equivalent options that are just so hard to decide between despite she and Jesse barely knowing each other and having no history outside this episode�� every bit of it is designed to make you like the other guy better and root for the other guy. Â
And I guess if you havenât watched the other episodes, or you have but itâs been awhile and you donât remember them super-well, itâs easier to root for Jesse (ignoring all the problems that he himself has as a character, in this episode, even, but letâs not focus on that right now). But this show canât trick me that easily, sorry not sorry.
I âshouldâ like this episode more, given that this is when they get back together, but they couldâve gotten them together differently.  Instead, we have Lilly berating Miley for going back to her ex after she rejects Jesse, we have Miley⌠tackling Jake?  Did anyone else find that odd?  Funny, yes, but weird as hell, and not really indicative of their dynamic.  And worst of all, we have them completely rewriting history and hoping we donât notice.  Itâs not respectful to list âwe have so much historyâ as a reason to stay with Jake if you canât be bothered to portray that history accurately.  So before we delve into that history a bit, let me make one thing abundantly clear:
Jake did not break Mileyâs heart. Â Heâs also not the only one whoâs ever fucked up or acted immaturely in their relationship. You wouldnât know it from watching this, but sheâs the one who broke up with him the only time they actually did date. Â Yeah, it was kind of crappy of him to make her think he was marrying her friend so he could âGotcha!â her on TV, and it wasnât great of him to kiss her and then leave in Season 1, but thatâs a far cry away from âbreaking her heart.â Â He literally never did. Â The fact that they framed it that way is not only frustrating, but also some gross foreshadowing for what they ultimately did to his character later on.
That said, the way Jake actually is when heâs onscreen (i.e. when you look at how he actually acts and not just how other people are talking about him) is pretty in-character, funny even. Â Miley and Jake still have their chemistry and their interactions are amazing apart from that weird tackling thing, and Jake reacting to the cat sweater was something I didnât know I needed. Â So objections aside, I do like this episode. Â Just not as much as whatâs to come.
âJake⌠Another Little Piece of My Heartâ (Season Three)
So while my previous entry was largely dedicated to explaining why it was ranked lower, this entry is going to be a defense of sorts, explaining why this episode, yeah might not be the best, but is a lot better than people remember, or at least is one Iâm still very fond of. Â
In Jakeâs last appearance before this, Miley agreed to be âjust friendsâ with him. Â Here, we see them following up on that. Â She calls him âone of [her] best friends,â and not only that, she shows that she knows him well enough to know why he, of all people, should not be getting married young. Â âYou change your phone plans every 6 weeks.â Â How does she know this? Â Because they kept in contact with each other. Â They contact each other frequently enough for her to know that he changes his phone plan all the time. Â They kept their promise! Â Theyâre exes, yes, and thereâs still tension there as we see in the end, but they genuinely do feel like friends, and not just like theyâre awkwardly forcing it.
Miley is understandably pissed when he pranks her, but thatâs only because she cares so much, and I do think thereâs genuine concern there as a friend, even if she very likely was also jealous.  Theyâre comfortable around each other, theyâve gotten to know each other a lot better, and the hint that thereâs still more lingering between them at the end is both promising and open-ended.  They donât get back together right then⌠but they show that they could, because those feelings are still there, despite everything.
I wonder, though, if this episode wouldâve worked better had it aired earlier. Â We get indications that it was filmed earlier than some of the others, namely that scenes from it show up in the Opening Credits for that season, but for whatever reason, it didnât air until much later. Â Iâm not sure why, but I do think things couldâve been better had they reintroduced her relationship with Jake (friendship with some lingering feelings) earlier on, had a few more âregularâ episodes without him, and then given the two a proper arc later in the season rather than just one episode where theyâre like, âWeâre back together now! Â But I also kind of like this other guy! Â Oh no!â and then heâs not there the rest of the season. Â But câest la vie. Â
Now onto the good stuff:
âGood Golly, Miss Dollyâ (Season One)
Honestly, the way the entire Season 1 arc unfolds with them is so natural and beautifully done, I almost donât feel like itâs fair to dissect them individually and split them up based on personal favorites, because they work best in order and as a unit. But I still have my opinions.
Iâve expressed previously why I love Dolly Partonâs appearance here and why she kills it, but in terms of Mileyâs development with Jake, this one remains the most stagnant and frustrating. Painfully realistic, of course, and very in-character for everyone, but of all the Season 1 Jake episodes, this is the one that has the least Jake in it?  Which is not really why Iâm ranking it lower, but it does put their dynamic into generic âgirl clearly likes guy but is too proud and scared to admit her feelingsâ territory.  Which is necessary for their story to develop, but isnât as fun as the episodes where we actually see why she hasnât been âfalling all over himâ up to this point (meaning, her aversion to his personality).  And we pretty much end the episode right where we started: once again, Mileyâs pining over him, wants to express her feelings for him, but feels like she canât⌠only now sheâs got a more solid reason not to.
âMore Than A Zombie To Meâ (Season One)
I was torn at first between this one and the Dolly one, but I ranked this one higher for a few reasons. For one, the storyline is a bit more complex and nuanced.  Lilly teases Miley for being in denial of her feelings for Jake, Miley rejects him when he asks her out⌠but then Hannah Montana has to kiss him.  She makes a case for why she shouldnât have to kiss him⌠only to realize she wanted to when they actually listen to her.  Jake respects her ânoâ and asks someone else⌠only for her to realize she wanted him after all.  Miley fights with Lilly for Jakeâs affections⌠only for her to realize that her friendship with Lilly is more important than whether or not she âgets the guy.â Â
Beat for beat, Miley is always one step behind, not because sheâs stupid, but because she has too much pride to see whatâs right in front of her, to acknowledge her own feelings. Â Itâs not the most pleasant characterization for Miley, but it is very telling characterization, and it paints an interesting picture of her and her relationships to both Jake and Lillyâ that she genuinely wants to mean what she says and say what she means, but her pride makes it harder for her to figure out what she actually wants. Â She genuinely wants to be a decent, down-to-earth person, but sometimes sheâs too self-centered to realize how sheâs coming off and how she might be hurting others.
Whatâs most interesting here, though, is Lillyâs characterization and development in the Jake arc.  In this episode and the one before it, sheâs among the girls who are âfalling all overâ Jake, even continuing to say âSupâ to him because he said it to her once like itâs their âspecial thing.â  She alternates between starstruck awe over Jake and amusement over Mileyâs aversion to him, teasing Miley that she may be protesting too much, and shamelessly drooling all over him to Mileyâs annoyance.  After this episode, we see her being the supportive friend and #1 Shipper On Deck for Jake and Miley⌠then firmly against Jake and Miley together after they break up the first time, and from that point on, genuinely over Jake and wanting whatâs best for her best friend. Â
But this episode⌠this is where we see the switch.  This is where we see Lilly giving Miley a fair shot, then taking Jake for herself when the opportunity presents itself.  This is where we see her doing something for herself for once and going beyond that âbest friendâ role⌠only to realize itâs not meant to be. That Jake only ever had eyes for Miley. That she was the canned fruit cup he settled for after all.  Itâs painful and heartbreaking, and perhaps a less strong friendship wouldnât be able to withstand it, but theirs does.  Because Lilly does.  Because Lilly knows that whatever Miley says, being with Jake would make her happy, and Jake wants Miley more than anyone else.  And sheâs willing to do whatever it takes to help them be happy together⌠even if it means she doesnât get the guy herself.  I think Lillyâs role in all this is so underrated, and she deserves massive credit for the maturity and development she displays here.
And of course, we have more characterization for Jake, where heâs⌠very much himself, but also better than Miley initially gives him credit for.  Yeah, heâs still hiding behind his ego and bravado, and he does initially say Miley mustâve been nervous to reject him when he asks her out a second time on the beach, but we also see him accepting that she doesnât like him back (or so he thinks).  We see that heâs sweet to Hannah as a coworker, and then he confides in her that he likes Miley because sheâs âcute, funny, smart, down-to-earth,â and because she sees him as a person, not as a superstar. I do think âmoving onâ from Miley by asking out her best friend, right in front of her, is kind of a dick move (or possibly a jealousy play), and he couldâve made a little more of an effort to be loyal to Lilly as she was his date, rather than being so obvious that he preferred Miley, but overall, I think this is a good episode for developing Jake as someone with hidden depths, and someone Miley could realistically fall for. Â
(Also, the subplot is comedy gold from start to finish.)
âPeople Who Use Peopleâ (Season One)
Their first kiss! Yeah, thereâs no getting around it: this oneâs amazing. Â Their banter is just on point from beginning to end. Â We have a continuation of Jake and Hannahâs pleasant costar relationship, a continuation of Mileyâs ever-more-obvious feelings for Jake, and we have a culmination of the tension between the two in an incredible scene. Once again, this does one of my favorite things: it turns the narrative on its head. Â We know Miley used Willis to make Jake jealous, but now itâs revealed that Jake was doing the same thing with Holly all along.
âHolly? Â Sheâs not my girlfriend. Â We have a movie coming out, so weâve been hanging out, itâs a publicity thing.â
âWhy didnât you tell me that before?!â
âUhhh⌠well⌠ I-I think Iââ
âWait a minute, I know why. Â Because you were trying to make me jealous.â
âWas not.â
âWas too. Â Admit it, Jake, you like me.â
âNo, you like me, just say it.â
âNo, you say it!â
âNo, you!â
âNo, you!â
*cue Big Damn Kiss*
They spar with each other like this all episode, meeting each other on the same level beat for beat. And Lilly eating popcorn in the background and falling off her chair? Â Letâs not lie to ourselves, we were all Lilly in this moment. Â Ultimately, this isnât the story of âhow they got together,â because Jake leaves for a movie, but even that makes some sense. Â He feels good that he got to kiss her before he left and doesnât have to wonder what it wouldâve been like, she feels angry that he kissed her when he knew heâd be leaving soon, and ultimately his acting career comes before him having a normal life, as it always sort of has, which unfortunately means it also has to come before Miley. Â But once again, we have an open ending, a clear ânot nowâ rather than a ânever,â and a question to be potentially answered in the future: Will They, Might They, and Would It Work Out? Â And of course, whatâs next?
But before we get into that, letâs talk about where it all began:
#3: âNew Kid in Schoolâ (Season One)
Who doesnât love a good First Meeting, especially one that starts off with two prospective lovers starting off on the wrong foot? Â What I love about them starting off on the wrong foot here, though, is that itâs not really due to misunderstandings. Â On the contrary, Miley is the only person who knows exactly whatâs going onâ even better than Jake does, Iâd argue, because he doesnât even realize how arrogant he comes across, and Mileyâs the only one willing to call him out on it.
This isnât even particularly a shippy episode, apart from âAlso, he thinks Iâm cute, not that I care,â but Iâd argue itâs better because it establishes them as characters first, and as Foils. Â Both of them are celebrities attending normal school and who, in theory, want to be treated like normal kids, but while Jake talks the talk and still gets everything he wants, Miley walks the walk and has to lose her celebrity privileges in exchange for peace and privacy. Â Itâs understandable that Miley feels sheâs gotten the short end of the stick, and itâs only later, after sheâs opened her big mouth of course, when Jake confides in her that sometimes he really does wish he could be normal, itâs only then that she realizes sheâs the lucky one. Â
But of course itâs not too late for her, itâs too early in the show for that! Â So we see her family coming together in this hilarious scene where they pretend theyâre all crazy celebrity-impersonators. Â As a side note, I like to think they didnât buy the Elvis costume for this, but that Jackson just had it lying around already and was itching for an excuse to use it. Â (Maybe he was Elvis for a previous Halloween, idk.)
In any case, the reason I rank this higher is that even though it doesnât show that Miley and Jake like each other all that much, it shows why they could like each other, which in my opinion is more important. Â I mean, ideally, youâd have both, but this does a good job of introducing Jake as someone who seems like just another egotistical celebrity Miley canât stand, but underneath that, is someone who just might understand what she goes through better than anyone, and Miley is the perfect person to understand him right back. Â
#2: âThatâs What Friends Are For?â (Season Two)
The return of not one, but two iconic guest stars in the best and worst way: together.  Months after their breakup, Miley finds Jake at her doorstep after sparring with Mikayla, and is sure heâs only there to get her back⌠but he just wants to be friends.  Great!  Good, no drama!  Thatâs exactly what she wanted⌠right?
Even better, he invites her on the set of a talk show so he can reveal his new movie⌠and his new costar, her archrival Mikayla.  The worst part is, he chose Mikayla out of courtesy.  He doesnât know Hannah and Mikayla hate each other, because they act friendly when theyâre on-camera.  He did it because he values his relationship with Miley, and doesnât want to ruin their friendship by inviting her to play his love interest.  And Miley⌠well, we all know Miley isnât as okay with this as she pretends to be, and it only becomes more apparent as the episode goes on.
What I love about this is the role reversal this puts them in. Â For once, Jake is the one being mature, and Miley is the one that needs to apologize and grow, and admits it. Â Itâs framed that way and everything. Â Itâs almost bittersweet to watch, because this was such a good step for them, and probably the most mature episode involving the two. To see them go backwards in development after this, to see Jake be raked through the coals by the writers, all that good will between them forgotten and retconned and burned to hell later on, thereâs just something very bitterly tragic about it. Â This episode was so important for them, not just as a relationship, but as people, and I wish that good will they had towards each other had remained and gotten a proper follow-up.
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#1: âAchy Jakey Heartâ (Season Two)
Was it ever even a question? Jake Ryan returns in glorious fashion: falling from the sky, in a tux, down on one knee begging Mileyâs forgiveness, with chocolates from the sky.  Say what you will, that man knows his way around a Big Romantic Gesture.  And he doesnât stop there: muffins, âJake steak,â a cardboard cutout, and barging in the front door in a literal knight costume, he asks what more he can do.  More importantly, he says, âYouâve dumped stuff on me, and youâve yelled at me.  The one thing you havenât done is tell me you donât care about me.  Tell me that, and Iâll go away.â  Even after all this, heâs willing to respect her if the answer is âno.�� He just wants to make sure itâs ânoâ because she doesnât want him, and not because she doesnât believe he cares for her.  He does care for her, and heâs willing to do whatever it takes to prove it. Â
He gets tested for this pretty much right away, fails in private, and then passes in public when Miley least expects him to. Â After telling Miley he canât take her to a movie premiere because heâs pretending to date his costar, he rejects his costar on live TV to confess his love for Miley. Â He doesnât do it expecting her to come back, rather, he admits his fault and accepts that for him, thereâs no happy ending. Â And Miley responds in the best way possible, showing up with a âWho says real life doesnât have happy endings?â and a Big Damn Kiss of her own.
This is also when they confide in each other. Â Jake tells her his real name is Leslie, and Miley tells him sheâs Hannah Montana. Â Theyâre vulnerable with each other for the first time in their relationship, and they understand each other better than ever. Unfortunately, itâs understanding, or lack thereof, that also leads to their demise. Â
Jake wants to be a normal guy, or at least he thinks he does. Â Miley feels to a certain extent that she is a normal girl, just a normal girl who happened to get famous. Â And that disconnect, that difference hurts them. Â Miley realizes that Jake doesnât actually know what itâs like to be normal, and having to be with someone who canât handle one night of it, as well as the pressure of being famous as Miley too, is what finally cracks them open. Â I will say she couldâve handled it a lot better, and good on Jake for calling her out on her lack of communication, but in the end, their relationship is left with a mutual understanding: that Jake respects her secret, listened to what she had to say, and wants to improve. Â Not so that he can get her back, but so that he can be âworthy of someone as terrific asâ her. Â
This also has ONE OF THE BEST SUBPLOTS OF ALL TIME.  Cheese jerky? Capitalist commentary?  Jackson rolling in money and Rico being mad about it? Oliver and Jackson doing a rap together? Are you not entertained?  Like its main plot, this does end up reverting to the status quo by the end, but itâs done in a way thatâs both crushingly realistic and brutally hilarious.  Overall, this episode?  One for the ages.
So there it isâ every Jake Ryan episode, ranked.  I have a whole ton more I could say about Jake Ryan, Miley Stewart, and their overall dynamic (and probably will, this week lol nope), but I feel like this is a decent start that outlines my opinions in quite a bit of detail.  While not a perfect couple by any means, they sure as hell made the screen a lot more interesting.  And hey, the course of true love never did run smooth, why should they be any different?
#jake ryan#jiley#jake x miley#miley x jake#hannah montana#hannah montana episodes#jake ryan episodes#hannah montana ranked#ranked series#hannah montana analysis#Hannah Montana March Madness#miley stewart#jesse hannah montana#team jake ryan#oliver oken#lilly truscott#traci van horn#jackson stewart#mikayla skeech#long post#long under the cut#(probably my longest post to date actually)#and i'm fine with that#hannah montana criticism#disney channel criticism#disney criticism#positive and negative
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Scooby-Doo
This year my brother and I made the ill-advised decision to rewatch every single Scooby-Doo direct-to-vhs/dvd movie we did when we were kids, and the results were surprising enough that I thought Iâd share them with all of you.
This will be a two-part post, because there were nine of them. Before we begin:
I graded these on a curve, i.e, how I would rate them out of the other Scooby films in the group rather than an overall score. The original four will be on a scale of 1-4 stars, the following five will be on a scale of 1-5
I donât know how much value these ratings will have for people who donât have any nostalgia for Scooby-Doo. Hopefully none
We did NOT watch Reluctant Werewolf or Ghoul School, not because we didnât enjoy them as kids but because I simply didnât want to look at Scrappy for an hour, as is my right
Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island (1998)
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Zombie Island is not only the best Scooby-Doo movie ever made but is one of the best movies ever made. I know people like to hype it up, and as we sat down to watch I found myself doubting it deserved that level of praise considering, well, the everything about it. All doubts instantly vanished; the plot is rock-solid for a TV movie (the gang has been apart for some time and is reuniting to find a real ghost; return to status quo but with higher stakes), the animation is gorgeous, the soundtrack owns, and itâs genuinely frightening!
I wonât focus on my early memories of these movies since the point is to explain how well they hold up in 2020, but every kid I ever talked to on the school bus admitted how much Zombie Island freaked them out. Whether it was the zombies, the murderous pirates, the ghosts, or the surprise villains and their disgusting demise (the best twist!) itâs an intense story for children and makes for a perfect first horror movie. You also have the benefit of already caring about the main cast, and with surprisingly good writing/production on that end it leaves more room for developing the setting and supporting characters. Even characters that donât talk have some of the best personalities in the whole franchise, and really sell you on the mixture of cartoon goofiness and supernatural threat.Â
Scooy-Doo! and the Witchâs Ghost (1999)
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People have almost as much nostalgia for this one as they do Zombie Island and remember it being good because itâs the one with The Hex Girls, but we were WRONG. Witchâs Ghost somehow manages to do the opposite of everything its predecessor did right; the characters are weak and the writing and pacing are some of the worst in the series. Jokes land flat, action sequences leave you wondering where anything is in relation to each other, and the plot honestly couldâve been leant to a different movie. This one feels the least Mystery-Inc-focused of the franchise.
I will give it the benefit of having interesting ideas on paper; one of those story pitches that needed more editing than it got. Maybe they were too focused on the songs or creating an appropriately hammy but truly messed-up ending for Tim Curry (the movieâs two best features), but it leaves you wanting more. Or just wanting something else.Â
Scooby-Doo and the Alien Invaders (2000)
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Iâve seen this cited as the weakest movie in the lineup because itâs seemingly disinterested in the mystery and spends almost its entire runtime giving Scooby and Shaggy love interests, so I hoped my memory of the characters being good would be enough to outweigh all that. They went above and beyond.
The setup is actually one of the more grounded ones we get from these movies (car breaks down in the desert and the gang has to spend a few days in a small town), and yeah the mystery isnât the most compelling but maybe for once it isnât about the mystery you know? Maybe itâs about the worst imaginary love song youâve ever heard performed at a diner right after being kidnapped off a crazy old artistâs roof. Itâs all charming and completely bizarre, right up to the twist ending. There are threats of physical harm which gives it some credit on the âscaryâ front, and on the comedy front everyone is hilarious? Especially Fred? Itâs for literally no reason and we never see quite that kind of characterization from him or any of the others again. The real mystery was the friends we made along the way.
Scooby-Doo and the Cyber Chase (2001)
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Cyber Chase has the opposite problem of Alien Invaders; sounds amazing on paper but doesnât quite come together in the end. The mystery has a perfect amount of clues sprinkled in for a kid to be able to work out whodunnit, but the cast of characters is so small and boring anyone can do the same just by process of elimination. The pacing is set up so that the gang is fighting through ten levels of a video game, but we spend more than half the movie on just level 10 with the rest left to montage.Â
Great individual elements and plot, really bad pacing and characters (though my brother points out an evil computer virus is one of the better creature designs weâve seen and I have to agree with them- sad trombone sound effect.) The good thing about this movie is that it features a heinous cover of the Scooby-Doo theme song by the B-52s  that it does feel like a weirdly sweet and appropriate sendoff to the original series; with the early 2000s gang meeting their 60s-teenage-sleuth counterparts in VR, facing old foes, and saying goodbye and moving on. Fortunately or unfortunately, Warner Brothers was only just getting started.
(Part I) (Part II)
#scooby doo#halloween#halloween... recs?#not sure how to categorize these but they needed to be made
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i have a goal to watch all the pixar movies before monday n it got me thinking about my favorite one (cause looking forward to something helps me finish things đ) which in tUrn got me wondering what u think the sides favorite pixar movie is n why n stuff
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oh my gosh i have no idea how many pixar movies there are but that certainly sounds like a big project!! have fun!!
*checks pixar wikipedia* Okay I went hard with this
Roman: Toy Story
He's definitely a nerd about the history behind it and the fact that it was the first entirely CGI feature film and it's the roots of pixar. Plus it's a creative idea, toys coming to life, the characters are all unique and funny, and I can imagine him relating to both Woody and Buzz:
Woody because being a team leader who struggles to actually maintain his friends' respect when he lashes out at an outsider, plus desperately needing validation from Andy/Thomas. Buzz because he's a hero figure who has to learn that he is not as invincible as he thinks he is. Also the way they bicker but then become best friends makes Roman emotional thinking about him and his brother Vee.
Virgil: Monsters, Inc.
Monsters scaring people because it's their job. The protagonist realising that the way he carries out his job does more harm than good and vows to be better. A small child who everyone runs away from screaming calling them dangerous and terrifying, being practically adopted and taken care of by a soft loving hairy father figure who realised that they aren't scary, just misunderstood.
Yeah, this one hits Virgil hard.
But he can't watch it when he's regressed! Too scary for itty bitty baby Vee.
Patton: Ratatouille
First of all Patton thinks rats are adorable and hates that they get a bad rep. Also he really loves the way food and cooking is portrayed as an artform and is impressed by how just a cgi image of it can actually make everyone hungry.
But essentially he loves that the theme focusses on acceptance despite people's differences and encourages people to abandon prejudices. In Remy the rat of course, but also in Anton Ego the food critic. It shows that despite an icy exterior and perhaps being overwhelmed by negative experiences and becoming hardened, there is always hope to reignite a softness inside of someone.
I just think Patton wiuld really dig the moral that no one is completely evil even if they seem that way, you can always inspire someone to be better. (Not saying this is a fact, it's an opinion and idk where i personally stand on it but i think patton would think that!) Patton subconsciously grabs onto it also because he is scared by his own negative emotions, specifically anger and jealousy, and his worst fear is them making him a bad person. But this film reminds him that you can never lose that soft part of yourself, and its comforting to him
Logan: Finding Nemo
If Logan were a geography teacher he would be the one to put on Finding Nemo for his students at least twice a year, on the last lessons before winter break and summer break. He loves that the film introduces the audience to so many different variations of ocean life and that they actually manage to teach them a little about each one, such as how old turtles can get and the fact that octopi release ink when they're frightened. That and it addresses industrial fishing and human destruction of natural habitats.
And he won't admit it but seeing Marlin fight so hard for his son despite all obstacles is heartwarming to Logan and reminds him of the fact that he would truly do anything to protect his family now that he has them. The fact that Marlin expresses his affection through being strict and enforcing rigid rules is relatable to him and watching the chracter realise that he has to be flexible to allow his son to flourish reminds him to loosen up a little.
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Janus: A Bug's Life
This is definitely Janus' cup of tea. Individualism and anarchy. Condemnation of unquestionably obeying authority. Addressing that oppression can stem from a leader's genuine fear of what they know their subjects are capable of (overthrowing them).
He's also a sucker for plots that centre around deception and misunderstanding, and the fact that the protagonist mistakes a group of circus performers for esteemed warriors and those same performers mistake him for a talent scout makes him chuckle.
Remus: The Incredibles
He loves the chaos, he loves that the heroes disregard the law, he loves imagining all the horrific ways they could use their powers to defeat their enemies in progressively creative and disturbing fashions and loudly complains of 'wasted potential'
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I Kissed His Books Goodbye
Kae Salonzo Perez- Dilla
April 30, 2021
It was in 2019 when one of my favorite Christian authors shocked the Christian world by announcing his separation from his wife. It was Joshua Harris, the famous author and pastor who wrote, "I Kissed Dating Goodbye" and "Boy Meets Girl" which sold millions of copies since their publication in the 90s and made him like a Christian celebrity. I was totally heartbroken when this news popped on my IG feed. A year before this devastating news, I came across Joshua Harris on Facebook and YouTube where I learned about his recent project at that time which is also the reasn why he resurfaced. He was on some documentary film of some sort where he reevaluated his very own books mentioned earlier. I have also watched his TED Ed segment where he apologized for the lives destroyed by his book. He said that he was too young when he wrote his famous books. I was puzzled at that time which led me to do more research a.k.a stalking. I am a good stalker, you know. Kidding aside! So, from there, I started stalking the Harris couple on their social media accounts. I will not forget feeling that something was already off from their relationship since they are both absent from each other's daily activities. I do not know if that is just normal with other people but to me, it isnât. Also, it struck me that Shannon and the Harris daughters "appear" to be highly modern and very much "in the trend" kind of way when it comes to their clothes, music, and social media posts. Given that they are in the limelight of conservative believers, this is a diversion. I was not a diehard fan of Joshua Harris and so I do not really know what happened to him after writing his books, after getting married to the girl of his prayers, and after pastoring a mega church for 17 years. However, I suddenly recalled an information he disclosed in one of his books. It was about Shannon whose inches close to starting her music career but then converted to her newfound faith and so this dream career of hers was aborted. This, I strongly recalled when I found lots of her IG post informing the world that she is about to release her music albums -which her songs donât have the slightest expression of her love for God. For a preacherâs wife, for a Christian woman, so to speak, her recent project gave me another major what-in-the-world-is-happening moment. These findings surprised me! That's why I'm not really taken aback when Joshua Harris announced that he and his wife, Shannon, are eventually divorcing. Perhaps something bigger is afoot since then.
 I know I am very late to make a fuss about Joshua Harris and his chosen path today, but I just want to express my thoughts since I kept seeing him lately. I was instantly reminded that I followed him on IG! And now I think about unfollowing him so I would be free from another stress. So, following his separation from his wife in 2019, more of his announcements on the social media just got more terrible as time pass by. He then denounced his Christian faith and joined an LGBTQ parade publicly. What worst could happen now? He has been posting his personal criticism on âChristianity" and against people "in the faith" with the notion of man's freedom being suppressed by God's will.  He makes obedience to God appear so vexing and that itâs the very thing that stifle man from enjoying earthly pleasures. He just twisted the truth about âlove the sinner but hate the sinâ. God is angry at the wicked every day and so we were all once hated by God until he shows us His grace (Psalms 7: 11). But tolerating a sinner could never equate to any form of love. Unless man sees himself as a sinner, he will never repent and seek God. Harris has numerous posts about this particular topic! As I see it, one could assume that it is his way of answering back to the spiteful comments he keeps on receiving from the Christian group. Heâs making the believers look like a group of unbelievable people for hurting him with Godâs truths. The truth will surely hurt him.
 There is no denying of the fact that Joshua Harris is still a hot issue among Christians today.  Every time Christians talk about relationships, Joshua and his books are brought into place. Before the declaration of his newfound path away from Christ, his books were said to be the "Bible" of Christian romance. Decades ago, Joshua and his books were often referred to when Christians tend to look for godly relationships to pattern theirs. I personally and seriously took note of the contents of his books since I was in a relationship when I read them back then. Just like the other Harris loyalists, I would always mention his name and the things I have learned from his books when giving advice to my friends both in and out of the church during girl talks. It's such a shame that I have to evaluate my old self and admit that I have passed onto others the words of Harris more than God's.  This, I humbly ask forgiveness from the Lord. And so, fast forward to the present time, look at how events have turned now. No one knows what really happened between Joshua and Shannon, but I'm pretty sure that whatever hit their relationship is a reflection of their individual relationship with God which have finally come in fruition in time. The book of Jeremiah says in chapter 7 verse 24, But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward. Whilst spending years and years of their life in the ministry, I could not help but wonder, was God really there "in" them? Frankly, although no man is in the position, itâs hard not to question their salvation thinking about what happened to them.
 Joshua Harris have said in an interview that he excommunicated himself from his church because he failed to follow the standards required by the scriptures. In his words, he sounded like he was the victim more than the traitor. To add, one of his videos on YouTube showed live reactions from the offended readers of his books. I personally think that was a clear picture answering the question of why he ended up retracting his beliefs in public. He responded to those people in oppose to what Christians should be doing when being persecuted. He wanted to please them so bad to the point where he just decided to abandon his post, leave his God or god and follow them as if that was the best decision to reach out to them. His mindset is just so disappointing. At some point, did he blame God for earning his haters? Is that why he went after people he doesnât personally know and has no relationship with God? Was he supposed to reevaluate through the Bible or through peopleâs lenses? How many were Christians in that pool of readers? It was just necessary to apologize for the wrong points that resulted to misguided readers, but why leave the faith? Itâs true that it takes lots of courage to face the music but I donât see the part where leaving your faith is a new definition of bravery.
 When a Christian is found to be challenged, he ought to thrive. What happened to standing fast in the faith written in 1 Corinthians 16:13? But instead, Joshua Harris allowed the enemy to overpower him. He heard the wrong side. Well, to start with, he's probably not a genuine Christian. We don't want to judge him but again, we have been warned in Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; A Youtuber also commented that a Christian should never find his life in the Lord burdensome. Sadly, Harris has put down his cross, got tired and stopped following the Savior. A believer's walk with Christ was never promised to go through an easy road but we will always find ourselves consistently rejoicing in His grace despite the way.  Otherwise, those who are just pretending to understand the gospel will soon be revealed and will simply walk away because they were not meant to be in the fold of Christ in the first place.
 Just recently, not only Harris have denounced his faith in Christ. There were others. Although this is not new anymore because there were others even before Harrisâs time, but in this age of social media, issues like this have great impact in the Christian society perceived in various wavelength. And this case has left Christiandom a question-- what do we do with the learnings gained from such persons? It is fitting to know where the line should be drawn when reading Christian books. The Lord has commanded us to daily seek Him in prayer and in the scriptures. Even the prophets enquired and searched diligently (1 Peter 1: 10). Hence, to check if the materials we read carry Godâs truth in them, they must be aligned to what the Bible says. Godâs words should affirm the ideas being offered to us by other books whether they appear new or not. I believe that the things I learned from Joshuaâs books really helped me assess my former relationship and double check if it indeed glorifies the Lord. But I do not give credit to the author because most of the concepts of the godly dating he presented were extracted from the Bible and were inspired by the people around him that were âin Christâ, and Lord willing, still walking with Him until now. Joshua Harris have miserably left his once professed faith and no wonder when âhis followersâ do the same too. The Lord only revealed the impending danger of following leaders and prominent individuals with such devotion that should only belong to God. We should be vigilant and be fully aware of where and with whom do we pour our faith into. 2 Peter 3:17, KJV: "Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness."
 The books written by Joshua Harris have heavily influenced his Christian readers. However, more than those pages that illuminated his beliefs before, what would really speak for himself is the life he chose to live today. I have kissed dating goodbye long time ago, not because of his books, but because God has been gracious to me and provided me a godly man to marry. I wonât recommend Joshuaâs books but I will be keeping them. If people see them on my shelf one day, I know significant lessons could be drawn from them --more than courtship and dating, but particularly about a Christianâs walk with Christ. Â
  We are in the end times and we are witnessing the falling away of man as said in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. But by Godâs grace, His true children will persevere until His glorious return. The sad story of Joshua Harris just proved that our God is a perfect God who is solely worthy of receiving manâs adoration and trust. Not that He needs any of it, but itâs just crystal clear that no one else does. And that no earthly relationship should we model ours after except that of Christ and His love for the church which we could learn nowhere else but from the scriptures.
 Isaiah 40:25-31Â
To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One.Â
Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.Â
Why sayest thou, O Jacob, and speakest, O Israel, My way is hid from the LORD, and my judgment is passed over from my God?Â
Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.Â
He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.Â
Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall:Â
But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.Â
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5)Samjess, Sameileen, Samruby, Samcas, or someone else? In terms of canon feels, Sam/Jess. In terms of what I think was best done/most interesting, Sam/Amelia. In terms of what Iâd be mostly likely to read/write Sam/Cas.
8)If you could remove one season of supernatural, which one would it be and why? My gut instinct is three. Itâs an in between season (season two ended on a high note with a mostly complete story back during the day we worried about renewal), the writerâs strike was particularly brutal for SPN, the treatment of Ruby/Bela behind and in font of the screen and I donât think SPN was ever more insidiously misogynistic. I never liked Gordon, but I liked his death even less. Hendrickson dying was like a crime. Just murder him right when we had a window of new story opportunities. Oh and Jo and Ellen suddenly disappearing? Not a fan.
But there were a handful of excellent episodes and the season held together thematically. And deciding that they couldnât pull off darkside!Sam just yet and went and dragged Dean into hell was wise. Necessity really is the mother of innovation.
So season ten. The Mark of Cain was really boring. Dean got worse with no real play off. And, like, that in itself wouldnât bother me. Samâs reaction to Dean was enough to mostly entertain me. But a) the writing wouldnât go dark enough and b) Jensen was not great at portraying the Mark as anything but Dean as slightly more astonish than usual (when all the narrative and film language were telling me that the Mark was changing Dean). Jensen is a fantastic Dean. Everything else was mostly âehâ.
Mostly it felt like a case of build up to no real pay off. Dean is slightly less terrible in season 11, but he never really has to, you know, deal with what he did. Iâm not even asking for him to grow enough to think about why he took the mark so recklessly. Iâm just asking for some character beats about becoming a demon and maybe some angst about some of the shittier stuff he pulled.Â
9)What episodes best encapsulates the brotherâs relationship? Does this change throughout the series? Doesnât have to be the best episode btw. There really isnât one. Sam and Dean have a complicated relationship that changes throughout itâs fifteen year run. If you put a gun to my head, Iâd probably say Baby in terms of just showcasing how Sam and Dean tended to interact in mid to late season SPN.
But then there are individual episodes that show how far theyâll go for each other (Faith, Mystery Spot, Appointment in Samarra, I Think Iâm Going to Like It Here, Brotherâs Keeper, Red Meat), how their abusive and toxic childhood haunts them into adulthood (Playthings, Dark Side of the Moon), how they bring out the best in one another (Fresh Blood, A Very Supernatural Christmas, The End, Point of no Return, The Man Who Knew Too Much, Hello Cruel World, Torn and Frayed) and worst (Sex and Violence, Appointment in Samarra, Hello Cruel World, Sacrifice, I Think Iâm Going to Like It Here), how powerfully they love one another (Swan Song, Carry On, I Think Iâm Going To Like It Here, Red Meat), or even just how they vibe around each other (Hell House, Tall Tales, Baby), or the uncomfortable incestuous undertones (Playthings, I Know What You Did Last Sumer, Sex and Violence, Sacrifice, Carry On). And these are just on the top of my head on the first 10 seasons (plus a few season 11 eps I remember and the finale)l.
And each one of these are different. Like, Faith and Mystery Spot play a similar role in that itâs about Sam keeping Dean alive. But, in Faith, Sam has lines heâs not willing to cross. He wouldnât have healed Dean if it cost an innocent life. In Mystery Spot, after years of new trauma plus an Angel torturing him, Sam is wiling to kill an innocent that he loves.
SPN stayed on the air for long, in part, because of Sam and Deanâs complicated and evolving relationship. A season one Sam and Dean Love Each Other The Most episode is going to be different than a season ten one. But thereâs also enough consistency that, after fifteen years, they can circle back to the pilot and give us a heartbreaking confession that colors and changes everything without it feeling like a retcon. I cried during Deanâs death scene and was genuinely moved by his speech - and I hate the guy.Â
(ask me SPN questions!)
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Haymitch, Effie, and Hayffie
(Musings, character analysis, my headcanons about their backstories and forward stories, especially about their relating and relationships. I felt like I needed to think through some of these ideas before writing more fics. These reflections got incredibly long, and I considered just keeping this in my drafts for myself, but maybe something here will resonate with someone else too, so here we go.)
Iâve been writing about Hayffie for a month, and I have some thoughts about their relationships/sexual histories both individually and together. Itâs film-Hayffie that Iâm into, so some of my ideas might conflict with whatâs canon in the books, which I havenât read in nearly a decade. When I eventually reread the books, I may feel differently, but these are my musings for now.
Haymitch:
We know Haymitch had a girlfriend when he won the second Quarter Quell at age 16. Snow had her murdered along with Haymitchâs mom and younger brother, so Iâm guessing Haymitch loved her, otherwise Snow wouldnât have bothered to have her killed since Snow always kills with intention.
Haymitch I imagine has probably always been good-looking-enough, but not extremely handsome. (I say this despite the big crush I have on Woody). I can see Haymitch as a kid having been witty, reasonably athletic, reasonably popular, a class clown and fairly obnoxious. As a teen without a father present/alive, home would have been a place of hard work, so school was likely Haymitchâs primary outlet for fun. I figure that particular girlfriend may have been his first serious love (and probably his only love).
I think he and she had some experience with sex but not a lot. They probably explored each other and discovered things together. They may have had sex only soon before the reaping, just in case the worst happened and one of their names was pulled. Iâm remembering the guy I dated when I was 16. I loved him, but I didnât want to have sex with him. However, if it had been the feeling of the end of the world, I probably would have slept with him. So, logic tells me they did.
Fast forward. Traumatized post-Games Haymitch wouldnât have been with anyone else for a long time. I think it may be canon that he refused prostitution because he had no loved ones left to lose, but even if Snow did prostitute him, it would have been maybe once when Haymitch was still a minor, like Snowâs last nail in the coffin of crushing him. But Haymitch would have ultimately proven himself to be too much of a loose cannon/liability for Snow to use in that way.
So I imagine Haymitch has some history of sexual trauma. First in the intensity of sex with his beloved girlfriend within the feeling of coercion (letâs do it now or maybe never). Then with being prostituted to likely some wealthy middle aged woman. Rather than being the prostitute of a man, I think Haymitch would have killed the man or killed himself, depending on his trauma state at the time. So I donât see sex with men, forced or otherwise, in his history.
Itâs canon that Haymitch is basically a loner/shut-in who doesnât like people in his house and sleeps holding a knife (when heâs able to sleep). I see him having the potential to be quite desirable to women and the potential for being a player. But trauma put a damper on those potentials. I think he could have sex whenever he feels like it, but for a couple of decades after his Games he just doesnât very often (on average over those years once or occasionally twice a month maybe) because women are too much of a hassle, and they arenât the love he lost. Alcohol is strongly his drug of choice over sex.
When he does have sex, I believe itâs one-night stands or casual sex with women who are players themselves and probably who he mildly dislikes. He steers clear of relationships that seem at all likely to become emotional. He firmly does not want to get attached to anyone again. Liking people is something he perceives as risky. Loving people is something he perceives as suicidal.
Haymitch is perceptive. Over the years, heâs learned some basics about what feels good to women physically. Pleasuring women has never been his first priority during sex, but I see him as the kind of guy who gets off on them getting off, so he would have made an effort to experiment a little and pay attention to the results. Unfortunately, alcohol often gets in the way of really focusing on women while he is with them. Which is one of the reasons Effie likes him better sober...
Effie:
I like to imagine Effie in early life, 0-9 maybe, with a very old great-grandmother in her 80s-90s. This great-grandma had memories of growing up in a free-er nation before the dictatorship gained in intensity, before the first revolution, before tyranny. I imagine she told Effie folktales that Effie remembers as bedtime stories. Those appeared to be fictional but were filled with archetypes and the roots of humanity. Her great-grandma was careful to protect the family, so she never spoke openly against the Capitol, but she understood and communicated deeper truths which shaped Effieâs heart/unconscious mind. I like to imagine Great-grandma offered Effie a reflection of the girlâs authentic self and offered her a small taste of empowerment. âNever forget youâre more than a pretty, well-mannered girl. Your wit is sharp. You have the capacity to be so much more than a face and a body bending to someone elseâs will.â
To Effieâs controlling parents, and even to Effie herself in time, the great-grandma would seem eccentric. I envision her telling Effie that a woman doesnât need a man to please her or to achieve greatness, and teaching her that she can please herself in all ways including financially and physically. Those lessons sunk in. I see Effieâs great-grandma having possibly been widowed young and surviving on her own awhile, with kids including Effieâs grandparent. In many ways Great-grandma was a self-made woman in her time.
Effie lost most of that connection to antiquity and to her authentic self when her great-grandma died, and she had nothing substantial to shield herself against the tight control and will of her family and Capitol life.
I imagine Effie mostly complied with that control but claimed autonomy in subtle ways. I think she had sex throughout the second half of her teens and throughout her 20âs, always being discerning, discrete, and selective about partners, rather than *sleeping around.* She had an intention behind each conquest. These conquests often had to do with aspects of self discovery, the desire for validation, and facilitating what she wanted in life, especially the ability to project a certain image in order to get where she wanted to go.
Did Effie fall in love with some of those young men? Probably, because underneath her thick facade, Effie has a tender heart which the facade protects like armor. Did she ever have her heart broken? Seldom. For the most part, she inherited and practiced ways of staying in control of her emotions within relationships. Most men thought of her as a desirable pain in the ass, but worth the high maintenance because she knows how to pleasure a man, she gives that focused attention during significant times including sex.
Did she ever experiment with sex with women? Possibly at some point out of curiosity and in seeking validation, but I donât see women as her jam. Pretty and popular in childhood, she got along with girls in school. Later in her teens and adulthood, women mostly resented her natural beauty, fashion sense, drive to achieve, ability to attract attention, and her perfected facade. I see Effie feeling wistful at times for the quality of connections she had in youth, but her understanding of survival in Capitol society dictated that image and career-based connections were more important than purely emotional ones.
By age 30, during her years as an escort, Effie is quite singularly driven. She knows her body well, but thereâs a veil over much of her inner self. The facade sheâs built up is so thick that she doesnât know much anymore about the vulnerable self beneath it. Haymitch can see the softness in her, whether heâs sober or drunk. She is both terrified and thrilled by his capacity to see the self she hides.
Hayffie:
I picture Haymitch as one of the first crushes Effie can remember having. I think of her as 8-9 years younger than him, so she would have been 7, nearly 8, when he was in the second Quarter Quell. She would have been quite taken with the way he held Maysileeâs hand as she died. Just as Effie was genuinely touched by Katniss caring for Rue as she died.
I see Effie having only been an escort since maybe the 72nd Hunger Games â long enough for the District 12 folks to know and mock her, but not too long. She had ambitions to move up in the districts, and she was on her way to proving herself as an effective tool of the Capitol: looking, sounding, and acting the part she was playing, and keeping herself veiled to the injustice of the Games and of tyranny in general. She was brainwashed by a lifetime of coercive propaganda, not because her mind is weak, but because the propaganda was so prevalent and multifaceted, including coming directly from her primary caregivers.
I think she probably expressed interest in Haymitch early on in their work together, seeing him as his idealized younger self. I think he turned her down then, in part because there was something about her that he enjoyed too much, even though he may not have been able to pinpoint what it was, because in the beginning he perceived her to be mostly ridiculous.
I see Hayffie playing cat and mouse for a few years â teasing, taunting, holding each other at bay and not doing much beyond tormenting one another during games 72-74, and learning each otherâs nuances along the way. Effie would find Haymitchâs uncoothness off-putting and his wildness tantalizing. He would find her poshness annoying and the woman underneath all those layers a sensual curiosity.
The third Quarter Quell effected a personal transformation for each of them. Haymitch accepted the reality that he was caring about people; he couldnât stop those emotions, even with alcohol, and he really didnât want to. Effieâs eyes were opened to the injustice of the Games through her deep affection for her team of victors. Her armor came down enough to experience heartbreak â a related heartbreak to what Haymitch was experiencing as he lost old friends, like Chaff and Mags, and as he cared for Katniss and Peeta and helped launch a revolution.
I see this as the vulnerable time for Hayffie when their personal games of cat and mouse would pause, and intimacy would creep in and feel scary. Theyâd banter it away for a while but by then theyâve seen each otherâs heartbreak, and the contents of a heart once seen, canât be unseen.
In the absence of liquor for him and in the absence of facades for her (i.e. in District 13), hiding authenticity from each other would be tough. The taunting chase would continue in spirit, but physically theyâd be ready to catch each other and play with that physicality if for no other reason to provide distraction.
âLetâs keep this casual,â theyâd say. âNo strings.â But the tapestry that had been weaving so long would take shape nonetheless. Strings would be everywhere, drawing them together faster than they could cut them.
Sex between them, after years of avoiding it with each other, would feel easy and alive, like breathing. Their bodies would fit well, so neither would have to work too hard to pleasure the other. I can see that sex between them has the potential to be very rough at times, though always with mutual consent. They both would be this interesting mix of selfish and giving. Their parting and coming together I see going on for years with feigned casualness. Cat and mouse again. The lightness would become more and more of a lie. Sex with other people would eventually whittle to nothing without much discussion about it.
Theyâd meet themselves in time as free individuals, and theyâd realize they had fallen for each other all along, despite everything and because of everything. They would keep trying to stop it, and theyâd keep failing miserably until finally moving into acceptance.
I donât picture them ever married. Haymitch would want no government or religious bullshit in their personal business. But I see them eventually sharing their lives with increasing intimacy, how ever that might show up. Iâm not sure yet how it would show up, though I like to think that several years down the road, Effie will move to District 12 âas the place becomes more civilized,â and when she perceives that there is meaningful work for her there. I also believe Effieâs perception of âmeaningful workâ will shift in time, initially out of necessity and then organically as she reconnects with her deep self and reclaims it.
I donât picture Hayffie with kids. Okay, thatâs a lie. I totally picture them with a kid and would have a blast writing the humor, affection, and angst inherent for them within that choice, but I donât think that choice is in character for them. If they conceived a child, that would happen inadvertently. Theyâd both be terrified of parenthood, given their histories individually and together. Most likely Effie would terminate the pregnancy, but sheâd be conflicted. And the more opportunity Haymitch would have to think about it, the more conflicted he would be as well.
The Hunger Games takes a toll in both ways. Kill a fetus to keep it from being born into a world where theyâve participated in and witnessed the killing of children? Or let the fetus become a baby with traumatized dysfunctional parents and hope for the best? I think theyâd see it as a lose-lose, but also would feel so much tenderness about the possibility, especially if it happens years down the line in the feeling of âletâs do it now or maybe never.â Sound familiar? Thereâs some trauma reenactment there.
Trauma bonding and secure attachment:
I think that Hayffie could fall easily into reenacting trauma with each other. Here are some ways I see that playing out...
Haymitch experienced severe attachment trauma while still in early life, losing his parents and everyone he loved. This was on top of the trauma of being hunted and killing and witnessing death within the Games. This trauma was inflicted directly or indirectly by the Capitol. Haymitch has a lot of unresolved anger at the Capitol. Without integration thereâs no healthy way for someone to cope with that severity of trauma. Hence, his addiction/alcoholism.
From the perspective of dysfunction, I can see him drawn to Effie because sheâs a Capitol girl, controlled/controlling and emotionally abandoning. She doesnât show up all warm and fuzzy and âtalk to me, honey.â She shows up with open criticism and disdain for him. On the surface, she has those fundamental qualities in common with the primary abuser throughout his life (Snow). So through the lens of trauma reenactment, it makes perfect sense that heâd want to fuck her.
I imagine Effie experienced early life trauma that was more subtle but still impactful. She grew up in a place where one misstep could lead to her familyâs ruin. She grew up with parents who likely demanded no missteps and were emotionally unavailable, being so focused on achievement over emotional health. To keep her parentsâ approval Efffie needed to do everything precisely: appearance, manners, attitude, performance. When she didnât exceed par, I imagine she was criticized and chastised. When she exceeded par she was praised. (Intermittent reinforcement.) Throughout her early life, she marinated in rigidity with constant reminders of what happened to people who were imperfect. Effie became an attention seeker and a people-pleaser. She sought validation from not just the masses, but also specifically from people who were the most critical of her and dependent in some way upon her *performance.*
From the perspective of dysfunction, I can see her drawn to Haymitch because he doesnât offer her consistent validation. Even his *compliments* are teases, taunts, and mocking sarcasm. His alcoholism makes him emotionally unavailable and at times intermittently reinforcing. In moments, heâll look right into her with unmistakable genuine attraction, and sheâll feel high when he does. The high comes because the attention is intermittent and unpredictable. In that state of emotional drugs flowing through her, it makes total sense that sheâd want to fuck him.
Their potential for trauma bonding will make their relationship at times explosive and volatile, not overtly abusive but with sharp tongues and intense physicality that at times borders on punishing. Their desire for each other grows like wildfire, their bond tightens, and sex between them is compelling and delicious in a way that I donât think either of them has experienced before.
I like to believe their potential for trauma bonding is only part of what draws them together.
I think Haymitchâs compassion in the second Quarter Quell touched young Effieâs heart very genuinely, and her young heart was also shaped by her great-grandmotherâs unconditional love. With that heart, she in time grows deep affection for âher victors,â not just as validations of her self-worth, but as people who are truly deserving because of who they are, not what they do.
I think Haymitch has the capacity to see through Effieâs walls of makeup, clothing, and attitude to the heart of the girl who has watched him kill but doesnât regard him as a murderer, rather she sees him still as the boy who held his friendâs hand in death. I like to think of him seeing that core aspect of himself through her eyes. Each time he sees it, he forgives himself a little more for the responsibility he feels for the death of his loved ones and everyone he ever killed in order to stay alive, and evey tribute who died under his mentorship. Haymitch carries impossibly heavy burdens on his shoulders, hence the alcoholism. Effieâs regard for him as a victor, a victor who showed compassion to Maysilee, to Katniss, to Peeta, and so on, lightens more and more over time the burden he carries.
I think their relationship is an interesting mix of dysfunction and healing. Itâs raw and messy, and Effie desperately needs raw and messy, even though she fights against that a long time. Their relationship also has the capacity for deep tenderness and connection, and Haymitch desperately needs tenderness and connection, even though he fights against it a long time.
I so want to see Effie raw and messy. I so want to see Haymitch tender and connecting. Thatâs the unfolding I write for them together. Itâs tough not to rush it, because itâs so interesting, and I want to see it all so badly.
After all these years, I am adoring Hayffie in this unexpected way. This ship is surprisingly intricate and beautiful.
P.S. If you made it this far, wow, and thanks for caring about the characters enough to read my extended ramblings. Comments welcome. I love to hear other peopleâs thoughts about Hayffie.
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Itâs All Over But The Laughing
Summary:Â Gotham was a trash heap of destitution and neglect. The rich barely even saw those less wealthy worth enough to step on and any who suffered were helpless. Arthur Fleck was no exception. Suffering from a disorder that left him ostracized from his world, even in the smallest of places, it felt as if no one even saw him. Until he met you. A similar case of loneliness and despair, it was never a case of whether you were seen, but of whether you were heard. Despite your gigs as a cheap singer, the words of your heart were never understood, with a stutter that frightened you from saying your mind and a world that silenced you from showing your truth. The day you met Arthur Fleck was the day your life changed forever.
Pilot
It wasn't completely unusual for people to linger in the halls of the social office, but her face, Arthur hadn't seen before. He slowed his pace, out of curiosity, most of all, and studied the stranger's nervous form. She sat in one of the decrepit chairs in the main hall, left as a makeshift waiting room despite the lack of people who even came to this office, shaking her knee as her hands, clasped tightly, bounced atop it. Her eyes scanned the room frequently, in Arthurâs favor, stopping just short of where he stood to observe, and a sickened look enrobed her aura. With a harsher bounce of her leg, she pushed a breath of air through her pursed lips, flattening her back against the chair and leaning her head back to face the ceiling. He intended to move on from watching her when one of the other psychiatrists in the building made their way towards her. At their approaching footsteps, she shot her head up, an anxious grimace playing on her face.
â(Y?N)? What are you still doing here?â The doctor looked to her watch, furrowing her brow, âOur sessions been over for 20 minutes.â
âDr. Setler!,â The girl, who Arthur now overheard as (Y/N), began to wring her hands roughly, âI-I donât...d-didnât,â
She stopped suddenly, scrunching her nose and huffing a burst of air with a twitch of her head. He thought she was just stammering, her nerves getting to her, but as she continued to speak, he realized she struggled through multiple words, stopping almost entirely in between some, and continuously scrunching her face as she grappled through her sentences.
âI th-thought we had an extended session today and I didnât get your call it was sh..compressed. I was going to wait until my ride arrived.â
Setler raised her brow, a tight-lipped smile flashed towards the girl that seemed in the least bit forced, âThatâs going to be quite some time, yes?â
âWell, yes,â When she finally stuttered out her answer, she spilled out with a slight panic, âIâd rather just wait, I donât truly want to call.â
Her mouth hung open as if to say more, but the doctor waved dismissively in her face, placing a hand on her back and leading her, quite reluctantly, to the public phone in the foyer, âNonsense, Remember we talked about practicing with phone calls? Youâll only get better. Waiting here all day is obscene.â
She attempted desperately to disagree, but between her struggles to speak and dismission of Setler, she was unwillingly shoved to the device, and a receiver was thrust into her trembling hand.
With a rough pat on her back, Dr. Setler gave a short wave goodbye and took off down the hall. Arthur was not one to enjoy eavesdropping. He knew, and it was ingrained in him, that it was rude, but even with his consciousness scolding him as he stayed out of suspicion and listened, he was unable to stop. She stood blankly for a few moments before she slowly began to spin in the numbers, swaying on her feet as she unknowingly sealed her fate with each rotation. Although he couldnât hear the speaker on the other side, he gathered enough.
The conversation looked painful to be involved in, the girlâs already debilitating stutter exemplified over the phone, and the stress that seemed to be gripping her was tightening with every word. In summary, she was behind on her paycheck, thus placing her behind on her already reduced-price medications. The man on the other end, who sheâd addressed as her uncle, was audible even from where Arthur stood, although his words were indistinguishable, his distaste was crystal-clear.
âNo meds, no roof.â
A persnickety individual, he seemed set on his personal philosophy that if she wasn't on whatever medications she was prescribed, instantly, she wasn't mentally sound or safe to be in his home. The ideal made Arthur sick.
At some point, the girl had half resulted to begging, pushing the phone tightly to her cheek and clenching her fist until her knuckles turned white. Her uncle was highly impatient with her stutter and as the conversation pressed on, she, too, was becoming increasingly frustrated with her inability to converse concisely. Within the limited range of the phone cord, (Y/N) paced and screamed internally. After desperate convincing, she managed to buy herself a day, 24 hours to pack up whatever life she had in her uncle's apartment and leave it behind. Part of her was relieved, the other was still preoccupied with finding a new apartment.
When the death buzz of an empty phone line stung in her ear, she finally gave up on trying to hold whatever was left of her together. Tears sprang to her eyes the second the receiver touched the hook and her palms rubbed her face angrily. Stumbling and shuffling to the seat in the hall, she slumped heavily into the worn and flaking leather. Her face was covered by her hands, muffling her weary cries, and a frown took over Arthur's own expression.
A moment or two passed, the otherwise quiet hall echoing with her sadness, before Arthur finally forced himself to stop creeping on the poor girl and at least do something . And so, Arthur Fleck did what Arthur Fleck wanted to do most: make somebody laugh.
He approached her slowly, his light footfalls rising only slightly above her sobs and cautiously lowered himself into the seat next to her. She stiffened but remained otherwise unchanged. He placed an immense amount of will power into keeping his own self calm, hoping a fit of painful laughter wouldn't rip through him. An awkward second passed, and when he thought about how uncomfortable his silent presence probably felt, the joke he'd been balancing on his tongue jumped out.
"Why are poor people so confused?"
Although she didn't verbalize her acknowledgment of him, he sensed a loosening of her hands as he cries quieted ever so with curiosity. She was unnerved, she wouldn't deny that, but she couldn't ignore what he'd just say out of the mere oddness of the question. Unknowing of its humorous intention, she stayed unmoving and waited.
Whether it was with good or poor judgement, Arthur nudged her shoulder as he delivered the punch line, "Because they don't make any cents."
Nothing. At first, there was absolutely nothing, then what to him sounded like harder sobbing, and then finally, a sound he was all too familiar with (maybe just not from others), laughter. Sad and bitter laughter at first, but soon it morphed into soft but genuine chuckling. Her palms began to rub her face with a pitied groan, her head shaking in self-disbelief and she assertively wiped the fallen tears from underneath her red eyes.
"Th-That's the worst joke I've ever heard," Arthur's heart plummeted, "I love it."
She finally turned to look at him, a weak smile tugging at her lips, and something deep in him glowed.
"Well, I'd hoped you would." He returned the grin, shifting in his seat as she took a few steadier breaths.
It was evident she was apprehensive about speaking, something Arthur understood, although perhaps from a different perspective. Her eyes darted quickly to the brown paper bag in his hand, her ears honing in on the unmistakable sounds of pills, and she seemed almost to relax more at the realization he was a fellow patient at the office.
An awkward silence grew quickly between them but he rubbed his palms on his knees and confided, "I didn't mean to listen in, but I overheard you don't have a ride and you're nervous about taking the subway alone. If you want, I take the subway all the time, I wouldn't mind joining you, if it would make you feel better."
He felt like he may have been rambling, pulling back as he pressed his lips together. She was staring at him silently, a strange look on her features and Arthur began to panic that he may have said the wrong thing. Or maybe he sat the wrong way, or did the wrong thi-
"I'd r-re..verily appreciate that." She tripped out, her head nodding softly as her eyes seemed to gleam. "Seriously, it would mean a lot."
His lips twitched upwards again and he sighed in relief, rising from his seat as he extended his hand towards her.
"My name is Arthur."
Her hand, still trembling, slipped gently into his, contradicting the firm grip and sharp shake she gave him.
Nodding, she flashed her teeth at him genuinely, "(Y/N)."
(A/N): Thank you so much for reading! I hope you enjoyed this first chapter. I watched this movie opening day and I have not stopped thinking or talking about it since. It was stunning and I just fell in love with the characterization of Arthur. Joaquin did a phenomenal job and everything about the film was beautiful. Also! I have never written a character with a stutter and I, unfortunately, do not personally know anyone who does that I can ask and get advice from. I tried to do research and watch video examples of how a stutter affects someone, the types of stuttering, and what it sounds like, but as someone who does not have a stutter and doesn't see it in person, I may not portray it as well as I'd like. I would love any feedback or advice you can give me on how I do or should depict stuttering and if there are any inaccuracies or over (or under) exaggerations, please let me know! I love to hear your feedback and comments!
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So something on twitter got me rambling this to someone who I donât even know whether or not theyâre involved in the same communities as me or not and I kinda just realized this is actually a big problem.
Why are fandom spaces having age wars? Or would it be more appropriate to call it generational wars?
Basically what Iâm going on about is how now that Iâm 25 years old and have joined and become super involved with a relatively much newer community than any other Iâve been in before Iâm seeing a lot of hostility.
Hostility thrown at me by complete strangers.
Okay, so, if youâve known me for long enough youâd know that Iâm used to people not liking me because of actions I did or words I said. Specifically Iâm referring to that mega dark time in the Dragon Ball fandom when my mental health was unchecked, I was overly emotional and stupid.
When I say âHostility being thrown at me by complete strangersâ in this context I donât mean it in that same sense. I mean people who only know my age and that Iâm in their fandom.
With my previous fandoms they were things that a lot of adults were in as well because they initially joined said fandom as children themselves. This includes Dragon Ball and Naruto. So I never really had a problem with people hearing my age and running for the hills screaming since they were used to seeing adults. There were also communities with source materials that were geared more towards adults like Trigun.
Heck I was still more often than not on the younger side of any particular group discussion. At most I would be more in the middle of the groups age range and never the oldest.
That is until now.
See Iâve recently gotten really excited, obsessed, hyperfixated or whatever you want to call it with the MCYT content creators. Iâm talking of course specifically about the Dream SMP stuff but also the creators individually.
I love the Sleepy Bois Inc group and the Dream Team and Fundy and Ranboo and Niki and BBH and Tubbo and just the whole lot of them in the right contexts honestly.
To me this wasnât really anything new. I mean, once upon a time I enjoyed Yogscast but I was really young and not involved in the internetâs current world of fandom culture. Also, I never obsessed over them and their story. I was into other things at the time.
When I get really invested in something I tend to immediately go searching for a community to share it with and Iâve started following on tumblr and twitter a lot of wonderful fan-artists and analysts and shitposters and man the lot of you are so great. And Iâm also subscribed to a LOT of animators on YouTube. Iâve been leaving as many positive comments ranging from pointing out the finer details of a piece of work to fully emotional responses as I can possibly leave.
And it seems like you guys are really awesome and open and friendly! You guys tend to reply to my comments and even if you donât (which is totally fair! Donât feel pressured, my comments are to make you feel good not a trap to make you interact with me!) youâll leave a like or heck a heart on my YouTube comments to yâallâs animations.
Seeing my positive energy getting returned with positive energy gave me the courage to join some discord servers and I started, of course, with the official ones. Wilbur Soot was the content creator of this group of people that I watched first so of course by this point I was subscribed to him on Twitch. I was also subbed to TommyInnit so I joined their servers. Iâm in a few other servers including SAD-istâs server and Technoâs members only server.
I started out joining vcâs and chatting in text channels but itâs been quite a long time since Iâve done either of those two things (not including a stray opinion here or there being thrown into the DreamSMP Boundaries discord).
Iâm pretty sure itâs been since early December since Iâve really interacted in ANY of these servers - including the much smaller non-official fan ones!
Why is that?
Honestly, I got tired of the hostility thrown my way at any mention or reminder of my age.
Iâm 25 years old and when people in these servers hear that, a good chunk legitimately feel really awkward.
I was asked not once, not twice, but FOUR TIMES in a single night from FOUR DIFFERENT PEOPLE in the SAME VOICE CALL âWhy are you in a fan server for a sixteen year old Minecraft streamer (referring to TommyInnit) if youâre 25?â with NO trace of irony and with complete seriousness and out of all those times only ONE PERSON defended me because they were in the call for the third instance only for them to leave, someone else to join and it to happen again.
And each time, the call went quiet and everyone waited silently for my answer. They were all legitimately concerned for the fact that I happen to be a fan of a streamer who happens to be younger than me.
And when I pointed out what I THOUGHT was obvious which was â90% of the other streamers heâs with and openly calls friends are also adults including Wilbur who is only one year younger than me and Philza who is seven years OLDER than meâ only a portion of people responded with âyeah thatâs true.â
The rest said âThatâs not the same.â
I tried again to âexplain myselfâ (weâll get to how shitty THAT is in a minute) by detailing how I just genuinely think Tommy, and Tubbo as well, are fun to watch. Theyâre entertaining, theyâre funny, theyâre energetic, they work well off the other streamers and I also find them adorable the same way I find puppies and kittens adorable. Heck, I love referring to Tommy as a Chihuahua because heâs a tiny little child with a really loud bark. Itâs funny and cute and thatâs the appeal.
That got a few other people to relax but there were still some people who at this point just said âwell, I still think itâs weird but whatever.â and continued on only with an awkward air of nervousness around them.
Alright so itâs really important for me to stress that being a fan of a content creator does not equate wanting anything romantic or sexual with them in any capacity and therefore there is nothing inherently âcreepyâ or predatory about an adult being a fan of a content creator who happens to be a minor. I get that that seems like a hard concept to grasp but itâs true.
Iâm sure thereâs plenty of musicians and actors yâall absolutely adore who you donât want to marry and/or bang. Heck, Iâm positive thereâs a good chunk of you who love Miyazaki films. You love his work, youâre a fan of what he does, of his content and youâre a fan of him yet you donât want to marry and/or bang him. Iâm sure a lot of you also have really close platonic friendships that you enjoy.
Assuming Iâm only a fan of Tommy to get closer to him and his fans who are minors for some gross reasons is really shitty. NEVER assume the worst in someone like that. Be cautious around adults on the internet in general, sure, but this particular attitude Iâve described is disgusting.
Anyways, beyond that though this rabbit hole goes deeper.
Itâs not just people being concerned that an adult is a fan of a content creator who is a minor. People have actually openly shamed and mocked me for being 25 years old in these other servers. Including the one you have to pay monthly to get into in the first place!
And now I go on twitter and I see a post pointing out how silly it is for minors to push adults out of fandom spaces that are based on content created BY ADULTS and the replies are people arguing FOR THE EXCLUSION OF ADULTS?!?!
HELLO?!?!
Are you guys okay?!?!
How is me being a fan of Philza and wanting to interact with other fans of his weird and creepy?? THE MAN IS LITERALLY SEVEN YEARS OLDER THAN ME AND MARRIED WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!
I heard that thereâs been a lot of drama in the JoJo fandom recently where minors are trying to say the whole fandom needs to be purged of adults??? That itâs meant to be a safe space for children and teenagers?? THE ANIME JOJOâS BIZZARE ADVENTURE?!?! DO YâALL KNOW HOW OLD THAT FRANCHISE IS?!?! ITâS OLDER THAN SOME OF YOU!!
Should teenagers have safe spaces in fandom where they donât have to worry about strange adults if theyâre uncomfortable with that? Absolutely.
Should adults be shamed and kicked out of fandom as soon as they become an adult? Should â20â be the age where fandom must stop? Absolutely fucking NOT!
I want so bad to make friendships and be a part of a community of people who enjoy these dorky Minecraft streamers as much as I do. It kills me to open Discord, see all the activity in these servers and shy away at the last minute from joining in because of my age.
Iâm rusty on this quote so forgive me if itâs not exact but this has been my life motto since I became an adult and accepted my place in fandom. I think a lot of you guys can learn from it:
âWhen I became an adult I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.â
- C.S Lewis
#long post#mcyt#might as well tag the fandom in specifically talking about the most#you guys seem like so much fun to talk and hang out with#i want to be a real part of this community#yâall are so nice and awesome until my age is discovered or brought up#fucking hell#and donât say oh just donât mention your age#cause then I just feel dishonest and like Iâm being fake#fandom#discourse#I guess#Kairi Yajuu rambles#Kairi Yajuu rant
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An Arthurian Film Adventure, Part 3: Lancelot
Today, we are tackling Lancelot. Arguably the most famous knight of the Round Table (besides Gawain), the story of Lancelot and King Arthur and Queen Guinevere is a timeless one. Forbidden love, broken friendships, civil war, downfall of a kingdom. Plus, heâs great with a lance. Throw in a child who achieves the Grail Quest, and youâve got yourself a pretty great story, and a pretty easy character too, right? Â
Nope, wrong again. Firstly, because he doesnât even exist in one of them, and secondly because he fucking sucks in the other ones.Â
I should point out, before I begin, that there are several versions of Lancelot which exist. Depending on whether you go with de Troyes, Malory, Vulgate, or Post Vulgate, you get some different characters. Universally he is kind and brave and selfless, devoted to Arthur but also damned by a love for Guinevere. He also can be prideful, angry, a touch selfish, and ultimately fails at achieving the Grail Quest. Anyway, onto the ratings!
1. Knights of the Round Table
This Lancelot is, by far, the best Lancelot. Here, Lancelot follows the post Vulgate version (he is just a wandering knight who wants to join the Round Table, rather than having grown up with the Lady of the Lake). He is sort of the ultimate knight--kind, brave, selfless, great with a lance or sword. He and Arthur get along immediately, forming a fast friendship built on mutual respect, understanding, and trust. Lancelot is brave and selfless and kind, but he is also an individual with his own wants, needs and desires. He can be prideful and arrogant, but he is fiercely loyal. Â
Here, Lancelot is close friends not only with Arthur and Guinevere, but also Gawain, Gareth and Percival, the latter of whom he takes under his wing. He and Arthur quarrel and reconcile, he goes knight erranting (is this a verb?) and lives in the castle Joyous Guard. He also marries Elaine, whom he loves in his own way, and fathers Galahad. Here, his love for Guinevere is acknowledged and central, though never consummated, but it is his connection with Arthur and the other knights of the Round Table which sustain his story. Â
The downfall here is tragic, both because though he and Guinevere love each other, they have not actually committed treason, and because his estrangement from Arthur leads to an actual splintering of the Round Table. Also, he has a horse named Beric that he loves a lot, his relationship with Elaine is honestly really sweet and sad, and he also wears beautiful surcoats and has a huge red feather on his helm.Â
Attractiveness: Honestly number 1 easily. He has some slightly weird facial hair, and heâs not big enough, but heâs hot. (Fun fact, Robert Taylor also played Ivanhoe in the single best Ivanhoe of all time, so). Â
2. Camelot
So, this Lancelot is pretty good. My main problem here is that this Lancelot is more Galahad than Lancelot, in that he is super pure almost the point of ridiculousness. Like, he is so pure his purity actually brings a man back from the dead, which could be the whole âhealing of Sir Urry thingâ but is mostly just strange. Here, we get a post-Vulgate Lancelot backstory (he is supposed to be French is this version but he is played by the most Italian Italian I have ever seen and itâs great). He and Arthur meet and are super close almost right away (âdid we just become best friends?!â) but surprisingly and refreshingly, Guinevere is actually deeply annoyed by him when they first meet. (She has been going a-maying and Arthur shows up and she just wants to fuck him but he just wants her to meet his new best friend, and she is like, wow ur friend is deeply lame, come have sex with me instead pls.) She eventually falls in love with him when he cures a dead man from death, and then what follows is a tragic love story of friends who are sort of stuck in this terrible situation and just trying to make the best of it. Â
The downfall here is that Lancelot has literally no other friends at court, so while his betrayal is tragic for him and Arthur and Guinevere (like in the 1953 version, he and Guinevere never actually commit treason), it doesnât really affect any other friendships or relationships. He also doesnât ever get married or have a baby here, and his purity can be grating, though the earnestness offsets it well enough.
Attractiveness: Number 2 tbh, but mostly because he is so damn earnest itâs endearing. Also he wears beautiful armor. Â
3. King Arthur
So, this Lancelot is from Sarmatia, which is both weird and never really explained. Also, he is neither Arthurâs best knight or actually even a knight at all. He doesnât have a relationship with Guinevere other than throwing what I assume are supposed to be longing looks in her direction (tbf Arthur didnât have a relationship with Guinevere in this movie either beyond aborted heavy petting). He also doesnât bring about the downfall of Arthurâs kingdom, mostly because Arthur doesnât have a kingdom. He also doesnât have a son who goes on the quest for the Holy Grail, but that is mostly because this Arthur isnât Christian and neither are his knights. Also, he fights with two swords and there are no lances in sight, which is a weird thing for Lancelot, since riding around and knocking people off horses is like, literally his favorite thing in the world. Â
Attractiveness: Number 3, mostly because I know they tried to make him hot here with the mop of curly hair and etc, but he will also be Mr. Fantastic to me, and Mr. Fantastic was honestly the worst. Â
4. First Knight
The thing is, Richard Gere should be last, except that Excalibur Lancelot was literally the dumbest person alive ever, so I guess that means since Richard Gere wasnât literally just living in the forest stabbing himself with his own sword, he sucks less. (Look, I said this was a rough journey.) This Lancelot is just terrible honestly. Firstly, heâs not a knight, heâs just some dude who rides around hitting people with his sword. He meets Arthur when he helps rescue Guinevere who is on her way to marry her dadâs old friend bc he is old and sad and lonely. His introduction to Arthur comes during a tournament. And by tournament, I mean an extremely 90s, wacky, American Gladiator style wooden obstacle course thing that involves swinging knife things, swinging wood things, and just...itâs bad. Â
He doesnât want to be a knight, mostly because he thinks Arthurâs knights are boring squares (he is not wrong, but I hate him so-). He agrees only after he saves Guinevere from Melegraunce, which involves more wacky obstacle courses and swinging bridges. Also, he and Guinevere here give Arthur the horns, and also both suck. He doesnât learn anything, he is genuinely terrible, and also he is played by Richard Gere. Â
Attractiveness: Iâm gonna say last, mostly because his whole 90sness just irritated me and also because he was very moist through this whole movie and also I hated him a lot.
5. Excalibur
Look, this Lancelot was like, literally actually stupid. He showed up, tried to beat up Arthur and failed, then went to live in the woods. No like, he literally lived in the woods. He would tell Arthur he was leaving Camelot to go adventuring or whatever, ride six feet out into the forest, strip naked, and sleep in the roots of a tree. Also, he for some reason not only slept completely naked, but he also didnât keep his sword in his scabbard so one night he rolled over and stabbed himself clear through the side. Also, he and Guinevere had sex is his tree thing, and I saw way too much of his side ass. I was honestly rooting for Gawain to kill him, and I didnât even like this Gawain bc he was genuinely awful.Â
Attractiveness: I mean, better than Richard Gere. But, and I know I have said this before, I cannot express how ugly this movie was. Â
6. Legend of the Sword
This one was easy to rank, because he did not exist. This was an origin story, and Lancelot isnât really a part of Arthurâs origin story so I guess we can give them a pass, except that I love Lancelot so this was a tragedy to me. On the positive side, his lack of existence means that he canât be worse than Richard Gere, so I guess I should rank this nonexistent Lancelot in like, 3rd place.
Part 2: The Arthurs
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