#the vessel of lucifer?!?!?!
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girlwithonegoal · 1 year ago
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sorry but the only reason destiel even works is because wincest did it first and also better
i've been thinking a LOT about this and want to get it all out so here it is. if dean was truly in love with cas, he would not have hesitated to tell him so when he literally knew cas was about to DIE. we don't see that. we see shock, grief, disbelief (an angel loves me!), we see him trying desperately to process his best friend is leaving him but nowhere does dean say, or imply, with his eyes, or words, that he's in love with cas. of course he loves cas - cas is family - and cas is not exactly his brother, (closest is brother-in-arms), despite his insistence in an earlier episode - but he's not in the kind of soul-crushing love that cas is with him. he's not in love with cas, and can't be, because he's already in love with sam.
when dean dies, he gets as close as he possibly can to confessing to sam he's in love with him without actually crossing the line. he would never to that to sam - he would never do to sam what cas did to him - because he would NEVER do anything to make sam lose his agency (sidebar: not that cas doesn't respect dean. but his love confession is almost wish fulfillment - i'm going to confess to dean i love him and go out in a blaze of glory and then leave without dean ever even having to reciprocate because i know he doesn't love me back. and he's absolutely right).
dean has already had years and years of not having his own agency from john his whole fucking life! john did whatever he wanted to dean and dean took it because like hell was he going to subject sam to that bullshit. which brings us to sam and dean's childhood - not much is known of their early years before sam went to stanford and that's fully on purpose. we can almost see dean as not only a brother figure to sam but also a father figure. john leaving for weeks maybe even months at a time - how the hell did dean and sam manage to survive? by dean doing whatever he had to do. emphasis on whatever.
you see, john absolutely knows that dean is beautiful. whether you read their relationship as purely abusive or abusive with a sexual component - dean definitely did questionable things to get food on the table for sam, an aspect that's more in fanon that canon but reads true to the heart of the show. sam doesn't know because dean wanted a normal childhood for him. and dean would rather die and go to hell for 800 years than force sam to make a choice, make any choice, of a romantic and/or sexual nature related to him.
back to dean's death. this is again the closest thing to a love confession that dean can make - my baby brother - take out the word brother and it would be not only romantic but stunningly true - he raised sam, this child who grew up to be a man, this child who loves him - waiting outside sam's dorm for hours - can you picture him pacing in the snow, waiting for the one thing he wants but can't have??? why does that sound familiar? oh, right, because that's what cas said but in dean and sam's case it would be actually true. how cruel and unbelievably insane it is to find your soulmate in your brother, the one person you have that you love unconditionally, not just because they are your family but because you are in love with them, and you can never have them as long as you live.
re: american gothic and soulmatism. very different from crimson peak where thomas fully realizes the unhealthiness of the codependent incestuous relationship with his sister and wants to be free and happy with edith. but sam and dean don't want to be free. in their minds, they already are free as long as they have each other and only each other. not getting in all the other romantic relationships that the brothers have with other people bc it would take too long, but they already fulfill that need for each other and don't need anyone else...like i'm sorry i love my sister but i want to get married one day to someone else. if you read their relationship as purely platonic, it doesn't work at ALL.
the kripke early seasons fully leaned into the gothic horror aspect of it all and incest is definitely a part of that...dean and sam literally cannot live without each other. they can't do it! sam dies in dean's arms and dean can't even wait five fucking minutes without making a deal with a demon lmao. he can't eat. he can't sleep. their love is a perpetual resurrection; they keep killing each other and bringing each other back to life. because they don't know how to stop. they are a singular mangled fucked up entity. i read a fic once where the author described sam as hating his own body because it was separate from dean's and dean's whole presence was a phantom pain. and yeah. just yeah. they can't live without each other because they ARE each other.
seasons 1-3 to me are spn at its soul. that's it. cas only works as a side character, if he's a brother (like, purely platonically) to both sam and dean or just unrequited romantic love for dean. the trope of an angel falling in love with a faithless man who can't pray only works if dean hasn't been in love with sam the whole time.
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trialssam · 9 months ago
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the way jared played lucifer as the innocent and arrogant at the same time will always be iconic to me
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casdeans-pie · 2 months ago
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Also I wish there'd have been some kind of cool consequences for Dean being 'The Michael Sword'
Maybe something like Angels they meet exclusively refer to him as The Sword and he haaaates that
Or it explains why he's so good with handling an Angel Blade
Or why he's so resilient for Just A Dude, because he was literally built to contain an archangel. Maybe he heals a bit faster than a regular guy, but he's never noticed before because Sam heals at a similar rate.
Maybe it would explain why he gets so twitchy about religion and churches, because it's baked into the loaf that he should end up as the vessel for Michael but Dean being Dean subconsciously rebels.
Or there's a conversation where Cas reveals that whenever he heals him he has to physically put the breaks on his own Grace because Dean's body pulls it in like a magnet. It's why he's so susceptible and sensitive to Angel magic, like time travel and alternate reality stuff.
Or sometimes Dean can read tiny bits of Enochian or understand a tiny bit of Latin but then when he realises it's happening and he's aware of it the ability immediately goes......
Dean: Wait. I think I can read this!... It says - beware the... the....... *clicks fingers* Shit. It's gone again.
Sam: The next word was kind of important Dean !
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adammilligans · 9 months ago
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The ironic part of Zachariah saying that Adam wasn’t really the chosen one is that HE LITERALLY WAS!! Adam was Michael’s first act of free will. Michael CHOOSE Adam over Dean. He could have easily kept going after Dean but no! He took Adam instead, even though as Gabriel put it - SINCE THE BEGINNING they knew that it was supposed to be Sam and Dean. Michael just said fuck that the rules don’t apply to me
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lichtbrenger · 9 months ago
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presenting my take on the toxic old men and their intricate and unserious ways.
lil silly bonus under cut :p
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seasononesam · 16 days ago
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2009????? why did I think this show was older, always pictured sam watching it at stanford, in reality he was probably tuning in while everyone was freaking out about the apocalypse 😭
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ghostpajamas · 6 days ago
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under a dark star, a burning heart shines.
bleeding light like the sun, fallen son.
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wetsocksinbed · 3 months ago
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rewatching Tall Tales (2x15) and thinking about how Gabriel must have gotten such whiplash when Sam and Dean rocked up to the University. Imagine you’ve been on the run from your family for centuries, trying to avoid God, and the looming apocalypse, and suddenly the true vessels of Lucifer and Michael are on your doorstep pretending to be maintenance men
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finalgirlsamwinchester · 6 months ago
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sampala...what an underutilised concept....something about baby (dimunitive) etymologically rooted as a term of endearment, doll. a doll as a possession, and baby (possession). a car as a possession passed down from your father to you ('I wouldn't have given you the damn thing if I thought you were going to ruin it) but also john handing baby sam to dean to carry out of the fire, john putting dean in charge of protecting sam while he's away, john telling dean to ('watch out for your brother') on his deathbed. baby is a possession is sam. dean is a mechanic in the same way he's a caretaker.
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IN WHAT WORLD IS SAM 'BLOOD FREAK' WINCHESTER DEMURE?!?!
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annmariethrush · 7 months ago
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How have I literally not noticed before that Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer (in vessels of Loki, Adam, and Nick) actually all kinda look alike/related and all look like Chuck? Which begs the question, what was up with Raphael? Or was he just (reasonably) tired of the fucking family
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trialssam · 1 year ago
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Insane how Sam's first line on Supernatural defined his entire story on the series
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quietwingsinthesky · 1 year ago
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it ever hit you out of nowhere that castiel is living in a dead guy's body and the show just does not care. it does not care. jimmy novak might as well not exist the moment he or claire is out of sight. cas stole a guy's body and his face and his life, and we can't ever talk about it or discuss it in detail because of how fucking horrifying it is that sam and dean's best friend just walks around in a dead guy suit. there's not even a human soul in there anymore. it's just a corpse. stone-cold body snatcher indeed.
#castiel spn#spn#this is not like a Castiel Crime (tm) to be clear. this is more me being (un)surprised that the show is Like This.#castiel is a horror story he is so much a horror story in the rapture#and then they just uh. never bring up again how horrifying and fucked up this is for another like 7 seasons#and when they do its to briefly go :( claire lost her dad :) but its okay! she forgives cas for it!#which!! NO SHE SHOULD FUCKING NOT!!!#but we can't have that discussion. we can't talk about that. because to acknowledge that it's fucked up would mean making cas kind of. evil#in a way that would vastly improve his later character arcs btw. if we had to reckon with not only this massive transgression#but with the fact that cas himself STILL DOESN'T SEE IT AS ONE.#that on a lot of fundamental levels. he is still functioning as he did in s4. a lot of that base programming is still there.#something something how cas never changes out of his suit under his trenchcoat#but it's like. jimmy said yes. so it's fine. that's what it is to him.#anyway. i wish they hadn't been scared of making all three of the boys more fucked up in later seasons.#thank GOD for dean being interesting in how he becomes Worse <3 because they were not bringing that for castiel.#again. good version of spn where jimmy's bloodline is an off-shoot of the lucifer vessel bloodline. explaining a) how lucifer Got In There#and b) letting lucifer possess claire later so that the two of them can have daddy issues together.#something about cas being the monster-not monster that jimmy let in that destroyed his life.#something about lucifer being the monster-not monster that castiel lets in later. the cycles. they are cycling.
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samangstielwinchester · 10 months ago
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Season 11 is so good but one change I would make.
We shouldn't have been shown that Lucifer possessed Castiel.
We should've found out the exact same time Sam did, in episode fourteen. Can you IMAGINE. Obviously he'd been acting off - some of us might have called it. But that reveal, when he started laughing at Sam? Ugh.
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bardicious · 13 days ago
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It's crazy that the whole of Supernatural is putting the kindest, sanest, most loving individual in the position of an antichrist, and then for years putting him through hell, and literal hell. Makes sense that the original god of that universe was a cruel, pathetic clown.
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seasononesam · 2 years ago
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Supernatural Make Me Choose: anonymous asked possessed by Lucifer Sam or possessed by Gadreel Sam?
I've been waiting for you... for a long, long time. Come on, Sam. You have to admit – you can feel it, right? What? The exhilaration. And you know why that is? Because we're two halves made whole. 
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