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On this Father's Day, I would like to acknowledge how much I love Daniel "My Daughters Aren't Speaking to Me" Molloy for being the only person reading Claudia's diaries and remaining firmly on her side, clearly while thinking "Look, I'm not gonna win any awards for Father of the Year, but JESUS CHRIST"
#interview with the vampire#iwtv#daniel molloy#claudia de pointe du lac#claudia de lioncourt#louis de pointe du lac#lestat de lioncourt#spoilers#I feel like this is ESPECIALLY gonna come to a head with the trial next week#like he is already SO done and this is just gonna exacerbate it
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And that's the end of it. There's nothing else.
#iwtvedit#iwtv#interview with the vampire#iwtv spoilers#loumand#louis de pointe du lac#armand#putting it all in chronological order was... oof#this show is so beautiful it's honestly a joy to make edits of#anyway i'm feeling feelings about loumand must be a day that ends in y#it was so interesting i was trying to pull from each episode but the san francisco and trial eps were such a challenge#everything in san fran is shot SO close and claustrophobic this was the widest shot with both of them in it#they aren't ever in the frame together during the trial at all
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Anatomy of a Fall (2023) dir. Justine Triet // Interview with the Vampire season 2 episode 7 (2024) dir. Emma Freeman
#anatomy of a fall#justine triet#sandra huller#film#interview with the vampire#iwtvedit#iwtv#iwtv spoilers#jacob anderson#louis de pointe du lac#tv#*#q#dsg#emma freeman#*misc#women directors#it's likely there will be a more appropriate moment to parallel this with in the next episode but whatever I need the thought out of my hea#bc YEAH this WAS a defamation trial following IPV
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Be careful, it's one of a kind! - Or: the trial script.
I took a few screenshots and put them through the editor, and there are a few interesting tidbits of information that can be gleaned from the few shots we got of the final trial script:
Supposedly the trial was written by the "Vampire Santiago", and the "Vampire Samuel Barclay". With... "additions made" by the "Vampire Lestat de Lioncourt".
Now the last part is particularly interesting, because as we see in the screenshots we get, that there are quite a few "additions" that Armand makes, but he is not listed there.
We now have (additional) confirmation by Assad (at the SDCC 2024 panel) that Armand was the one who orchestrated Claudia's / their deaths, so let's keep that in mind here. Especially since he is not listed.
"Our red curtain. Our spotlight. Santiago acting as master of ceremonies. But this is the only part of the play that will mimic our normal fare. That and our finale."
There's several aspects to this.
We know that - at least in Armand's tale - Santiago "took over". "Master of ceremonies." But only acting, not actually being. The "mimic our normal fare" both hints at this being not what they normally do, and, given the mock aspect of the trial - it acknowledges the farce it is. It is not a play, not a trial, but something in between, framed as neither, while implementing both.
Santiago's entry speech. With an interesting annotation by Armand: "You are standing half in and half out of your light."
Only, Santiago isn't actually standing in and out of the light. (At least in the version we got to see.)
Now, those who know the books know that the force of Lestat's personality is often called a "light", and not always in a wholly positive manner.
For example there is this comment by Nicolas, which refers to it:
And for every aspect of our proposed damnation you found exuberance, and there was no end to your enthusiasm and the passion coming out of you-and the light, always the light. And in exact proportion to the light coming out of you, there was the darkness in me! Every exuberance piercing me and creating its exact proportion of darkness and despair!
The lights of the stage obviously put them all into focus, too, something that was forbidden before Lestat came and destroyed the old ways. The "walking in the places of light" was one of the things the Children of Darkness accused Lestat of when he encountered them.
I think the comment there is a kind-of-meta comment, of Armand being half in shadow hand half in light. There is a choice here, for light or darkness.
Here, he chooses darkness.
Some things we haven't heard in the episode:
"If the prosecution's evidence convinces you to condemn those HERETICS for the heinous trampling of the vampire laws we will carry out our sentence before your very eyes as only we at the Théâtre des Vampires know how: slowly, inventively, gruesomely."
And then, this lovely stage direction 💀:
"Agency: If and when Claudia or Louis speak, (drive) them together, close their throats, (Santia)go will address it with the audience, as per the below:"
"I don't need to hear from you..."
That part we heard in the trial.
Apart from the stage directions and the part we didn't hear Armand's notes are also interesting once more: "Remember to comment...." and something starting with "Fi"... "Fine" - or "Find their thoughts" (could fit I think). Because this note, even largely unreadable proves once more that Armand was fully in on what they did to Louis and Claudia there. Made sure that the blows... would land.
This one. This one we didn't get to hear! (The part after "Tik Tok")
Santiago reading from her diary: "He soaks in the light from everyone around him, making it all about Lestat. This is most definitely about you and your death."
Light reference again! (See the quote above.)
And (accompanied by Armand's notes to have Santiago hand the diary to the audience):
"I know she was your favorite. I know she was your baby lu. But she had us all fooled. She's the best actor of all of us. She lies so sweetly, doesn't she. But look closer. When the mask falls away, she's a monster."
Oof. When the mask falls away... Pot to kettle.
"I can't hear you." - say it louder.... Lestat.
And then: Lestat's entrance. Being seated in an especially prepared "Bergere en cabriolet".
And here we have another "I can't hear you! Let me f...". It's the counterpart to the blend-over (below), another read from Claudia's diary there, after Lestat talks about loneliness and Louis "abandoning him". (Btw, I don't buy this shift to blame to Louis and Louis "hunting" Lestat for one second, for the record^^. I think that was all very much BS for the trial, in order to make Louis seem guilty to the audience.)
Armand's comment (on Lestat's first lines) makes it seem as if Lestat was less than enthusiastic - or weak. Now, I said before, I think there's quite enough evidence to suggest that the "real trial" might have gone a bit more like in the book, with Lestat mostly out of his mind and his mind meddled with as well (see below).
But the counterpart to the blend-over is actually the most interesting one, imho:
(This is a hard one to see, it's only seen in blend-over and Louis' hand moves across it before the scene fades to Armand scribbling down the note!)
"It This is too early for Lestat to acknowledg[e...]"
This is too early for Lestat to acknowledge. Louis and Claudia, would be my guess. This direction is proof that Armand made directions for Lestat especially as well. It's the only one (we have so far) where he actually writes the name.
Armand knew he could make this direction. And he made it.
Given Lestat and their history this, for me, is proof, that Lestat's mind has been meddled with as well, at times at least. Because there is no way that Lestat would have followed Armand's directions there, imho. Would not have done something, especially in that moment, where they set up the execution.
Yes, Sam is on record saying that Lestat played along with the play itself so he could get into the audience's heads, and therefore make it easier for him to make them shift Louis' sentence to "banishment" (that's where the "additions" come from, in all likelihood), but there, at the point of judgement and the execution being set up he does not look at Claudia (but he does look at her afterwards!), he's staring straight ahead, swaying on his feet.
Taken out of the equation, so to speak.
(That's an extra shot btw, extra shots always carry meaning.)
So.
Quite the script. -.-
Clear stage directions for Santiago, Lestat, and the other coven members should Louis and Claudia try to do something.
Now. I know there have been a lot of posts about Armand "master mind" or "villain" or victim, or what not. And I am glad that Assad has been so very clear on that just recently, though all of it is already given with what the show gave us, imho.
Armand did plan the trial. Did master-mind it. Did pretend. Did direct. Did lie.
He orchestrated their deaths.
And Lestat interfered with Louis' death. At the very least.
And.. Armand continued to betray Louis. For 77 years.
I said it before, I don't quite buy the tower scene, I expect it to get more context, at the very least.
It will be very interesting to see if they return to the trial next season, and in what capacity.
Because all the "hints" are, all the evidence is there already.
#iwtv s3#iwtv#amc iwtv#interview with the vampire#interview with the vampire s3#amc interview with the vampire#lestat de lioncourt#the brat prince#iwtv lestat#iwtv louis#louis de pointe du lac#beautiful one#iwtv armand#armand#iwtv claudia#claudia de lioncourt#book quotes#light#trial#the vampire lestat#script#trial script
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i've mentioned this before but louis and armand's relationship in paris after the trial is so hollow, and at the beginning of their story they had so much chemistry, so much respect for each other, they were having philosophical conversations and romantic walks, they had so much potential. and you can tell it's gone a bit wayward even before the trial, with how louis removes himself emotionally from their relationship, but the trial really yanks the rug out from under them and shows just how Nothing their bond has become.
and i think it's best exemplified by louis warning armand about his plans to burn the theatre and everyone in it. because i can't read that as anything other than, like, the internet joke about a school shooter warning the only person who was nice to him to stay home from school tomorrow. all that potential, all that loneliness, all that they tried at first to confide in each other and heal the heartbreak they both sustained from lestat, and by the end it's as if they're acquaintances, who only know each other just well enough for louis to refrain from killing armand alongside the rest of the coven.
#loumand#<-sure why not. i feel like people who like loumand (like me) can handle this post cksjxjfj#louis de pointe du lac#armand iwtv#armandposting#iwtv#iwtv meta#iwtv amc#interview with the vampire#thunder rambles#and then we have to consider. would louis have warned armand if armand hadnt lied about saving louis at the trial.#lets be clear i think armand knew what louis' plans were and when he intended to carry them out. so armand wouldve escaped either way#it truly is louis' feelings abt the situation that matter here. bcuz it's that plus armand telling him where lestat is + intending to help#louis kill him even though he's said it's a lost cause that makes louis choose armand in the end.#but uhh. if armand hadnt lied. im not sure they wouldve ever spoken again. crazy stuff huh
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1.05 A Vile Hunger For Your Hammering Heart / 2.07 I Could Not Prevent It / 2.08 And That's the End of It. There's Nothing Else.
#iwtvedit#interview with the vampire#louis de pointe du lac#daniel molloy#claudia iwtv#claudia's version vs lestat's/trial version vs the Remix
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#i still think we should have seen more of the coven’s demise#listening to them scream isn’t enough i need to physically watch their skin bubble and blacken#i think i deserve that much after the extended horror of the trial#just saying#interview with the vampire#louis de pointe du lac#iwtv s2
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#interview with the vampire#iwtv#amc iwtv#armand#lestat de lioncourt#lestatbratposting#daniel molloy#lestat#louis de pointe du lac#Assad Zaman#Jacob Anderson#Sam Reid#Eric Bogosian#Santiago#Ben Daniels#The trial#Well
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why is lestat's turn of events more truthful than louis'?? like, no doubt about it that louis is an unreliable narrator. which he also does admit to himself, he is very aware that he is speaking from his perspective and he doesn't know everything and time does change memories and views of those memories.
but why do so many people in the fandom believe lestat over louis? why is he automatically more reliable and truthful than louis?
#i'm not just saying this because louis is my favourite. like yes he is unreliable that is true#but so is lestat and it's weird to not question HIS version of events#the show wants us to question the idea of memory and perspective and narrative and who is telling the story#just because the white character says something doesn't mean you should believe him and pity him#(also lestat is likely under mind control/tortured before the trial into condemning louis and claudia)#QUESTION EVERYTHING PLEASE#READ BOOKS AND ARTICLES ABOUT RACE IN GOTHIC LIT PLEASE#iwtv#interview with the vampire#amc iwtv s2 spoilers#amc iwtv season 2#tvc#louis de pointe du lac#lestat de lioncourt#amc iwtv#interview with the vampire season 2
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"why don't you want him to know how much you love him?" "that's a little personal. he knows." "uh-huh."
#interview with the vampire#iwtv#armand#the vampire armand#loumand#louis de pointe du lac#daniel molloy#alice molloy#must preface that NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO USE THIS FOR LDPDL HATE PURPOSES#even though louis (well both of them lbr) clearly had communication and commitment issues#armand directed a play that would KILL louis all because he was self conscious that louis didn't love him enough#anyway this is just one interpretation of the 'alice rejected daniel's proposal' convo scene#cause i see soo many people ask 'why did armand say all that' (and have wondered so myself)#even though we cant rule out the possibility that devil's minion happened in the past and that this was armandaniel history tease#armand could be projecting his choice re: louis and the trial onto alice's choice here#similar to how daniel was projecting his feelings about paris onto claudia in this same episode#i just think this would make sense thematically w armand's arc this season#(ie revealing what a deeply insecure and selfish and fucked up lover he is under his guise as a 500 yo devoted and caring husband)#armand 🤝 lestat: i will love you and i will hurt you. if i cant have you then i will break you#[plays under your spell by desire] whats the difference between love and obsession and desire? do you think this feeling could last forever#c.txt#mine#'she didnt think she could trust you' sounds like a YOU problem buddy#and then armand realizes he was wrong too late and bro was SCRAMBLING#the start of something beautiful aka failmarriage!!! :D
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I know if nobody got me, Jacob Anderson got me🙏🏿🥹
#pre trial Loumand you will always be famous#Loumand never even liked each other truthers found dead in a ditch omg praise be#of course their was love at one point! that’s what makes the toxicity so good!🤤#Loumand#iwtv#armand#louis de pointe du lac#jacob anderson
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Idc how many cast interview screenshots yall post, you people will never get me to buy Loumand had a loving marriage at any point post-Paris. No, sorry. Killing Claudia killed the love and salted the earth behind it. From then on it was 80 years of spite, depression, desperation, manipulation, hateration and holleration. And that's Fine, my dudes, bc in some ways, mutual assured misery (MAM) is simply another equally valid side of the same coin. I don't see why more of you don't just lean in and have fun. 乁༼☯‿☯✿༽ㄏ
#louis de pointe du lac#armand iwtv#iwtv#amc iwtv#interview with the vampire#armand#ldpdl#loumand failmarriage#no need to make it anything other than what it was#and don't ask me what I think abt their pre-Trial courtship lmao
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After the first night, I thought I would die of this thirst. After the second, I thought I would perish screaming. After the third, I only dreamed of it in weeping and in desperation, licking at my own blood tears on my fingertips. After six nights of this when I could bear the thirst no longer, they brought a struggling victim to me.
At the end of seven more nights, when I was starved to the point where even the scent of the blood didn't rouse me, they laid the victim-a small boy child of the streets crying for pity-directly in my arms.
Some twenty weeks were passed in this misery. I didn't even believe anymore that the bright and fantastical world of Venice had ever existed. And I knew my Master was dead. I knew it. I knew that all I loved was dead. I was dead.
2X08 "AND THAT'S THE END OF IT. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE." || The Vampire Armand
#iwtvedit#iwtv#interview with the vampire#iwtv spoilers#interview with the vampire spoilers#the vampire armand#the vampire chronicles#armand#louis de pointe du lac#loumand#blood#starvation#just musing on why armand went along with the trial but then changed his mind & saved louis from the wall#it doesn't seem like an act of self-preservation for once so maybe it was something to do with...... all this.#the parallels in general are a lot#(disclaimer still only read bits and pieces of the books and i know none of this stuff has been referenced in the show yet)
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the entire dubai interview as an extended and redone version of the 2x07 trial. the use of costumes, props, testimonies, the prejudices and assumptions of an unsuspecting mortal audience. Lestat switching from the oh-so-innocent victim he was in the 2x07 trial to a defendant, tried in absentia. Armand presenting himself as a prosecutor on Louis's behalf only to become a defendant himself for crimes against Louis, Daniel, and Claudia. Louis as a victim of both Lestat and Armand, except when he is rendered a defendant with Claudia as his victim. Daniel wavering between victim, judge, prosecutor, and member of the quietly guilty audience. Claudia as the perpetually offstage victim, once more forbidden from speaking in her defense, her diaries reduced to toys and weapons in the hands of men dissecting the question of guilt in her murder.
this second trial, like the second interview, as a quest for "truth and reconciliation," a direct references to attempts to heal from institutionalized, racialized violence. the ugly question of justice for Claudia's murder as it involves Armand (not present for her first death, coldly directing her second), Lestat (drained and killed Claudia for her first death, served as a reluctant tool in her second), Louis (begged for her first death, pushed into inadvertently/unknowingly asking for her second "can you imagine me without the burden of her?" both times supposedly out of the desire to help). Louis finally achieving some form of justice for Claudia by executing the theatres des vampires and banishing Armand, even if the violence continues with Daniel's murder, Armand pushed to break his own great laws.
Louis listening to the other vampires discuss his guilt, preparing to seize and condemn him yet again, Louis speaking first to declare himself guilty and proud, to declare himself unafraid of whatever so-called justice the vampire world wants to inflict. Louis putting the system that killed his daughter on trial instead, dragging the vampire world kicking and screaming onto stage in front of all the disbelieving mortals, flaying it open where everyone can see. Louis condemning the old world order of silence and fear, declaring the arrival of a new age. I own the night.
#interview with the vampire#louis de pointe du lac#louis centric#monsters talks iwtv#armand#lestat de lioncourt#dubai trio#the trial#daniel molloy#claudia
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it never occurred to me before but did louis say to armand does he want to lick my boots or chop my hands off because he knows he’s done it to nicki??? 😧
#loumand#loumand fight#iwtv#idk who would’ve told him#probably not lestat bc he never mentioned any other vampires#but i can’t see armand casually being like oh yeah i chopped lestat’s boyfriend’s hands off :)#but it’s such a specific choice it probably was intentional of the writers to put it in??#iwtv 2x05#interview with the vampire#louis de pointe du lac#ldpdl#armand#the vampire armand#nicki de lenfent#nicolas de lenfent#nickistat#maybe louis asked what the fuck went down after lestat’s trial speech about how he was essentially killed and armand told him#that seems like the most plausible thing#amc iwtv#iwtv amc
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i really need naomi back with the iwtv podcast because i’m sorry but a*tumn br*wn doesn’t have the range.
i need to hear about race. how you have the most racist episode in season 2, learn about armand’s anti-blackness, the entire trial akin to a lynch mob, lestat’s involvement, claudia’s death and her reference to stoning, her line about lestats apology to be forgiven but not hers, and NOT have a post show interview that discusses race.
a friend was saying that it’s so clearly been thought out by the writers, the nuance captured, the parallels re tendons cut. it’s an intentional part of the show and the story, yet we get nothing as the audience afterwards?!
Naomi did such a wonderful job on the podcast for season 1. it was so incredibly enjoyable, informative, Black and queer. Such a breath of fresh air. i need Naomi back!!!
#text#interview with the vampire#iwtv spoliers#iwtv#claudia#louis de pointe du lac#the trial#armand de romanus#armand#lestat de lioncourt#lestat#iwtv podcast#amc immortal universe#amc podcast#iwtv race#iwtv racism
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