#the great furry discourse

[elexuscal]

Bi-Ace Laurence and Aro Roland

Okay so a few weeks ago I made a comment about viewing Jane Roland/Laurence as queer, and @sere-allwehaveisnowasked me to dig into it. This is a slightly cleaned up version of the ramble I gave on the Temeraire discord, just on the off-chance folks from the broader fandom might find it interesting!

So I can see how that description of Laurence/Roland might seem surprising at a first glance! They're an M/F pair, and obviously that lends itself to a very traditional heterosexual reading. But that's not the only possible reading, at all!

"Queer" is a catchall term and an umbrella term, which means there has been a lot of quibbling over what exactly 'counts' is queer. "Is X queer?" is a Discourse repeated ad nauseam; replace X with 'ace people', 'aro people', 'polyamorous people', 'kinksters', 'furries', etc.... It gets really hard to draw firm lines. Which is why I generally subscribe to te definition of queer as "anything which transgresses the social norms in the broadly overlapping space of sexuality, romance, and gender" So on a base level, you have the fact that in the time and setting of the Temeraire series, Jane Roland is breaking So Many gender norms. She's a soldier, masculine, heavier set and with facial scarring. Under some more flexible definitions of queer, almost any sexual and/or romantic relationship she entered into would be inherently queer due to how she transgresses the boundaries. That said, while I do find something compelling there, that alone isn't really why I see Jane/Will as queer, since while Roland might be transgression within the text, to the average 21st century reader, she's not nearly so shocking.

For me, it's much more about how Laurence/Roland fits much much more into broader queer readings of both their characters, notably the bi (and to a lesser extent, ace) experience for Laurence, and the aromantic reading for Roland.

I very much do read Laurence as a bisexual guy who never really realised he was bisexual, partly because his attraction genders were fairly equal, and both fairly low. In book one, he doesn't really seem personally that attracted to the idea of a traditional marriage-- it's just sort of What One Does, and he does like the idea of the companionship a marriage with offer. He's friends with Edith, their engagement makes sense, and he doesn't have any other option that's more appealing, so... Why not? But equally, while he's disappointing to lose that future, he's not heartbroken either.

Specifically, I think what attracts Laurence is military competence. (Or maybe not quite military per say, but certainly something adjacent. Being in the field, getting your hands dirty). And he'd never really twigged to that because... All the women he had met until then were Society Ladies(tm). They were divorced from that entire sphere. And sure, Laurence saw it in men, but he didn't read it as sexual attraction, he just read it as admiration. (It can be hard to untangle the difference!)

But then he meets Jane. Who is feminine while also masculine. A woman who displays all these elements of military competence that Laurence is foremost drawn to. And I really do think that's the Rosetta stone for realising his attraction to men.

I also think there's a really great ace reading of him getting back together with Jane for LoD? Not just that he apparently hadn't had any sex for the previous 3.5 books; that could equally be attributed to his depression and social isolation. But it's the way that encounter has less to do with him craving sex specifically, or craving romance, as him feeling the joy and relief of having regained Jane's trust.

As for Roland... Man I read her as aro, so bad. I can absolutely see the reading where she isn't inherently/naturally disinclined to romance, but basically taught herself to repress her desire for the sake of her career. And that's definitely compelling. But I see so much of someone who just doesn't really care about romance, doesn't really get what everyone else sees in it, and is just going to carry on without it.

And I just love that Roland/Laurence continues throughout the entire series, but doesn't end with them getting married and having kids or anything like that. They have this great fiends with benefits situation which is genuinely SO refreshing.

All of this I think dovetails deeper into my feelings about queerness in the Temeraire series as a whole. These books were published in a time where there was a huge push for greater gay representation (one we're still living through now), and I believe that was a big part of the analysis. And indeed, I think it's fair to examine and ask why there wasn't more of an explicit M/M representation in the story. But at the same time, a question I often grapple with as an a-spec person, is how do you depict the more 'subtle' queer identities? Especially ones like asexuality and aromanticism, which are defined by a lack of something? Especially in historical fiction, where it would be deeply weird to have the characters use modern terminology and bust out some pride flags. And I don't know if any of this was Novik's intentions or not; to a large extent, I don't care. But I do think there's a lot of stuff in this narrative that resonates with a lot of bi, asexual, and aromantic experiences, and that's really interesting to analyse.

[piosplayhouse]

I forgot if I ever posted about this publicly or privately but fully inspired by Harry's mdzs au my opinions on a svsss furry au will always be that

-Shen Yuan is vehemently "not a furry but just likes supporting artists" who was pretty active in closed species circles for having a ridiculous amount of super expensive rare species that he found really cool. Shen Jiu (no relation) is a very controversial popufur who runs in adjacent circles that sy has a huge grudge against after seeing sj bully a bunch of teen furries (binghe) for their half angle half devile wolf ocs, but even sy has to admit that sj's fursona Shen Qingqiu is really really cool. Sj eventually decides to cut ties with the whole community after getting into another new discourse and sells all of his accounts and fursona art to a broker, who then sells it to sy. Sy logs into the account and is about to reveal what happened, but Yue Qingyuan sends him a super long vent/crying dm and sy feels too guilty and awkward to come clean after getting that bombshell and so he ends up impersonating Shen_Qingqiu in the elite closed DeviantArt group Cang Qiong Mtn Sect group

-Binghe is in the group mostly as a punching bag for everyone to make fun of his half angel half demon oc Xin Mo, but sy recognizes him as the kid he saw sj bully despite being super humble and with great potential for art, so he decides to take him under his wing (I think I was imagining sqq as a dutch angel dragon but whatever you believe here you can replace that with an appropriate body part). Sy ends up buying binghe a super rare Sushidog named Zhen Yang and while sy is like well nbd some artist got a paycheck and some kid got a cute new adopt but as we all know Binghe is Irreparably changed Forever from this

-Airplane is a popular furry porn writer known for taking hyperspecific commissions and flagrantly ignoring closed species rules in his smut peddling. Sy hates him for this of course and also because his porn isn't that good, but he still reads all of Airplane's gay original werewolf species porn just because wolves are really cool ok!! Sy isn't even gay he just thinks it's so cool how the three headed demon wolf has a three tiered society and--. Airplane loves to fuck with sy by making sock puppet accounts advertising shoddy bootleg closed species like deltagens instead of primagens or something like that. Also btw airplane has a hamster fursuit but only the head and paws since he can't afford a full one, he just poodles at cons

- Mobei Jun is not a furry but his family owns a hotel chain that regularly hosts furcons. During one of these he was sent by his father to shadow staff addressing a misbehavior complaint against the furcon attendees and accidentally ran into half-fursuited airplane, during which it was somehow love at first sight. Airplane doesn't know that tho he thinks mbj is still mad at him for smoking weed in his hotel room at that con they met at when they were both 17

[ephysalis]

My friend and I just finished our rewatch of Star Trek: TOS. What a fun, fun trip it was.

Purely for my own enjoyment, here are the 10 Star Trek: TOS episodes I liked the most. Heavily steeped in my love of retro cheese and B-Movies.

10. Arena

The Kirk vs A Lizard episode. The rocks are very obviously foam, the fight choreography is peak Trek and the lizardman wears a go-go dress lovingly crocheted by meemaw. At the end a bedazzled space twink shows up. A classic for a reason.

9. The Corbomite Maneuver

Structured like so many other Trek eps (ship gets in predicament, Kirk must pull a solution out of his ass in the 11th hour) but with great twist ending that blew my mind. Showcases Kirk's brand of cleverness very well.

8. Turnabout Intruder

The last episode of the series has a fascinating plot: one of Kirk's ex-girlfriends forcibly switches bodies with him. There's a lot of unfortunate gender discourse but if you decide to view the whole thing as a typically 60s trans allegory, it becomes fascinating. Spock recognizes the captain through a mind meld and defends him in court. Good times.

7. The Cloud Minders

The best episode of season 3 imo. Beautiful painted backgrounds and amazing retrofuturist interiors. The story is a really solid metaphor for classist oppression right until you learn the workers actually ARE violent and stupid because of some gas in the mines. Still loved it.

6. Operation: Annihilate!

The crew visits a planet decimated by alien parasites that look like flying rubber pancakes. Spock gets got and it's very tense and dramatic. Good Spirk vibes, plus I love it when my blorbos suffer.

5. The Way to Eden

The Enterprise picks up space hippies trying to find a fabled paradise planet. The costumes and songs are super enjoyable. A shining example of an ep that was probably extremely cringe back when it aired but has aged like a fine, campy wine.

4. The City on the Edge of Forever

Ok this one isn't underrated, everyone knows it's good and they're correct. Kirk and Spock get stuck in the past together and it manages to be incredibly gay despite Kirk literally dating a woman. Excellent story. Spock wears a beanie.

3. The Trouble with Tribbles

Another one where I agree with the general sentiment: it's silly and fun and I will never tire of seeing Shatner buried in furry little potatoes. The Animated Series episode "More Tribbles, More Troubles" is a hilarious sequel.

2. Amok Time

The Spirk episode that started it all, featuring a fascinating look into the mix of uptight decorum and violent heritage that makes Vulcan culture so compelling. I did particularly enjoy the extremely awkward conversation between Kirk and Spock about "Vulcan biology" at the beginning. "It happens to the birds and the bees..."

1. The Devil in the Dark

Shatner's favorite ep and also mine. The acting is on point and seeing Spock yell "JIM!" with obvious concern on his face is just 👌🏻. I love the retro cheesiness of the paper mache caverns and the alien who looks like a lasagna; I love how testy Bones is about having to do first aid on said lasagna; I love the horror-like story structure and overarching message about understanding others. 100/10.

[zombiepillarz]

I would love to hear an overview of what MIOD is if you have one! I think I've seen all the designs before and they look wonderful but I desire to know the plot if there is any :]

THANK YOU FOR ASKING THIS

I’ll try to explain it without any spoilers or going on needless tangents that I can do a post about…

Let’s set the scene

MIOD follows Marcel (Bee-Human hybrid with social AND anger issues) as he is taken out of his secure Navy position by his father, Zeppelin who runs the world organization called MIOD. MIOD (or Macrocosm Institution of Discovery) is an organization that handles all magic instances, whether it be rouge magical creatures or abuse of magic, but mostly all the world governments they work with mainly just want protection from their H-BOTS (a droid made to supervise towns and collect magic evidence and help in magical threat). MIOD in the current situation just researches, deals with national and foreign affairs and educates the masses on magic (and that they should just never use it) BUT THATS WHERE MARCEL COMES IN!!

Marcel is brought in by Zeppelin and he meets 3 other people, Jen Pham (A Freelance Mechanic who was hired after she fixed Zeppelin’s car at a record speed with perfection), Delilah Renee (An old friend of Marcel’s who used to be a child star for an educational tv show MIOD used to have) and Josefina Pond (a stay-at-home parent who mainly worked for MIOD from home, conducting research for clean energy and homeschooling), Marcel also meets Josefina’s 9 year old daughter, Stella but she is quickly sent to the MIOD daycare. Zeppelin explains that MIOD recently started getting slandered by a certain counter group called EToM for their not so clean image that was brought by the recent dangerous malfunctions of the H-Bots which is why he needs a human team to bring back trust and help out in situations that the H-Bots aren’t best suited to handle as the Discovery team!

Stella usually sneaks onto these missions, and no one knows how, especially in their first mission where they go to Europe and deal with an ancient fire breathing dragon (MIOD is a speculative fiction-)

Eventually in their first mission they end up meeting EToM. Even though EToM has hundreds of members all around the globe, the main 3 that Marcel and his team always run into are Elliot (EToM’s “team leader” who has robotic hands similar to an H-Bots), Anaya (the brawn of the team but the nicest one) William (a teenage vampiric bat who just follows his team around) and a hacked H-BOT (named a “E-BOT”, controlled by 2 people named Akrosa and Urvashi). Elliot especially holds a grief over Marcel for “choosing” to be a leader for MIOD, and they become enemies. MIOD wins in defeating the dragon, but they now have to deal with EToM now- (and that’s basically the start of MIOD)

That’s all I am going to explain FOR NOW, as I slowly start to roll out MIOD art, animatics and comics, as there are some things that aren’t what they seem by first read.

If you still have any MIOD Discourse related questions or you want to ask a specific OC, PLEASE ASK!! 

Here are their refs but keep in mind THESE ARE GETTING REDRAWN, but they are keeping their main elements

Yes furries (Marcel, Urvashi, William and Jaya) are normal members of society, not actual animals who live in the wild or captivity. They aren’t really magical creatures but some (aka all) are classified (By MIOD) as such since they “aren’t exactly human in physical traits or behaviors”, For Example, William needs to consume blood as a normal part if his diet, and Urvashi and Jaya have sharper teeth and great agility/flexibility (yeah you can see what is about to happen-) ask to know more (although it will be really hard to explain this whole system)

[joe-england]

Drawing myself as a rabbit, I never really considered myself a "furry", but I guess I'm... furry adjacent? A little? And with hard Right "conservatism" wrecking lives en masse, it seems appropriate to remember that it's always been an issue wherever it crops up.

[sugultt]

LANI’S RULEBOOK.

BEFORE YOU INTERACT / DNI.

do not interact — racist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, plagiarizer, hate anons, if you don’t understand that creators have a life outside of writing, overly sensitive, assholes, if you age up minor characters for nsfw content.

your age must be easy to access on your blog. wether it’s on a carrd, introduction page, or bio ! it’s damn near impossible to police minors who view adult content ( i know because i did the exact same before lol ) so i’d prefer if you’re eighteen or over.

do not bring discourse to my page ! i’ve seen what drama does to creators on tumblr and unfortunately we’ve lost a lot of great writers. so if i didn’t speak of it first, do not bring it to my page.

smut works are all female coded. i do not write for male audiences but fluff works are all gender neutral.

i treat requests like suggestions and write at my own pace. i’m an insanely slow writer with no schedule at all.

DO’S AND DON’TS IN WRITING.

DON’T — writing for minors, specific races, male readers, mommy kink, feet kink, piss kink, scat kink, lactation kink, double penetration, character x character, part two’s, weird furry shit, heavy gore, if it feels weird to type out then that should be a warning itself.

DO — female and gender neutral audiences, yandere themes, age gaps, toxic relationships, daddy kink, overstimulation, impact play, breeding kink, somnophilia, bondage, voyeurism, dacryphilia, non extreme weapon play, i’ll expand my writing to more as i grow.

[fuzzyfoe]

Hi, I'm sure you get this a lot so I apologize for the potential redundancy; I wanted to ask if you take offers on your daily creatures? They are so cute and I would genuinely love to adopt one

I believe this is the first time I've ever gotten an ask like this, actually!

I have never sold adoptables or character designs before and I'm really not sure how I feel about doing so.

Part of me is kinda like "what if this thing that is no longer mine ends up being the only good thing i've ever made" and while I know that I'm going to prove myself wrong in that regard because every so often I make a creature that breaks over 100 notes and I know that it will happen again eventually, I still have anxiety that one day I'll come up with a great idea to use with a creature design I made that I never particularly cared for before only to realize that I'm not able to do that anymore. While I'm aware that people who sell their character designs are often still credited as the designer in whatever that character ends up being used in despite the fact that they don't "own" that character anymore and that brings me some comfort, I still think about the kinds of situations like what happened with that "Making Fiends" cartoon, in which the creator pitched these characters and this world that she created that she was passionate about to Nickelodeon in order to make it into a real show only for it to be canned after six episodes and now she's not even allowed to continue it on her own anymore because Nickelodeon still owns the copyright. I know that example is on a scale involving giant powerful corporations as opposed to just individual internet furries engaging in a hobby, but I don't think the fear that something sort of akin to that could theoretically happen in a space like this is entirely unfounded or irrational.

I have never purchased any adoptables myself and I don't think I really want to. If I really felt like doing something with a character that already exists I feel like that's what fanart is for, and for myself personally, knowing that something is the way it is as a result of my own brain and my own hands feels a lot more satisfying in regards to considering anything to truly be "mine". I've also heard stories of people purchasing a design from someone only for them to turn around and go "actually i've decided that i hate you and think you're disgusting and that you can't have this anymore" over whatever the Discourse Of The Week™ is, so there's also that.

This isn't me saying that other people are evil or stupid or whatever for deciding to buy and sell adoptables, I really don't care and more power to them if that's what they really wanna do, it doesn't affect me if I'm not involved, to each their own. I'm just saying that I'm not sure I'm personally comfortable in engaging in this whole adoptables thing myself given the potential risks involved that I'm able to recognize.

Regardless, I'm flattered that somebody thinks that my designs are good and have value.

[caspertheghost12]

🐝 Introduction! 🐝

🌼 About me 🌼

My name is Toby, I use he/him and ze/zim pronouns. I love photography and writing, and I figured I could try this out for a bit :) I have been diagnosed with AvPD, BDD, GAD, MDD, and general hypermobility of the joints. I'm not a system, but I do know a great deal about them because I've been dating someone in a system for about 3 years now, and I also love researching mental disorders (not romanticing them), and I'm also an age regressor.

🍯 My Blog 🍯

I like drawing, but I don't feel that I'm very good at it, and I want to improve. Right now I'm only doing wordmojis and basic drawings (such as a flower, lightning bolts, clouds, etc.), however I may attempt a less basic design if requested (no promises).

🌷 Will Draw: 🌷

Words, names, pronouns

Basic shapes

Things related to mental disorders/conditions, physical conditions, age/pet regression

💐 Will Not Draw: 💐

Complex designs

Nsfw

People (real, fictional, or outline)

Anything relating to slurs, racism, etc. (swears are okay)

🌸 DNI 🌸

<13 years old (legal age only, littles are okay)

If you are pro: ed, zoos, pedos/maps, etc.

If you are neg: systems, agere, furries, petre, etc.

If you bring: discourse of any kind, hatred, etc.

[bluemoon160]

【IᑎTᖇOᗪᑌᑕTIOᑎ】 💙🌌

Hey everyone! My name is Rosalind but I also go by Ross or Ros. OR you could call me by my internet names Blue or Bluemoon if you’d like! (It’s a lot of names I know lol sorry. Just pick whatever).

I’m a 20yo artist, writer, and editor who will be mostly focusing on fanart, self ship, furry content, and maybe some cosplay on this blog. I do have a business focused on my published books, OCs, and editing services which you can find here if you’re interested. I’m more active over on those accounts since I work on that stuff almost full time now but I try and post fan/personal content when I can. This blog specifically will be a place for all my self indulgent interests. I may not be super active here but will try to anyway :)

【ᗪIᔕᑕᒪᗩIᗰEᖇ】

Skip ahead to read more about me, my, interests, and who I ship with, etc. But in the meantime, I need to get this out of the way and say that I really wanna make new friends here but I’m also hesitant to rejoin any sort of self ship and/or fan communities because of how many horrible experiences I’ve had with them before. Perhaps Tumblr is different but I wanted to put this out here for my own peace of mind lol. So please be patient with me. I grew up in fandom and self ship spaces that had constant arguments about literally everything. I didn’t even know what half of these discourses were even about and everything I’ve learned has been against my will. So no, this is not me “taking a side”, I just don’t want to be apart of drama anymore. My morals are this: live and let live unless you’re supporting/romanticizing anything immoral. If you have genuine critiques about how I portray certain things then definitely let me know since I’m always concerned about how I represent stuff, but aside from that, this is just a blog to talk about stuff I like so let’s keep it chill please. 🧍‍♂️

【ᗩᗷOᑌT ᗰE】

⭐My full name Rosalind B. Sterling (or you can call me by the other names listed above)

⭐I’m 20 (covered that lol)

⭐I’m bi and aroace (I also sometimes use the term procul but I don’t identify with it as a sexuality. Just an add on term for my asexuality to explain how my sexual attraction fades away once my relationship with someone becomes real).

⭐I’m genderfluid and my pronouns are she/he/they

⭐I’m mixed race/Puerto Rican

⭐I’m neurodivergent (OCD, MaDD, and a few other things) so tone tags would be great to use around me but they’re not required

⭐I currently live Ohio (yes I’ve heard all the jokes and they’re honestly pretty accurate lmao)

⭐My favorite colors are aqua, bright purple, hot pink, and neon green

【ᖴ/O's】

Note: some of these characters might come from controversial media. I just like them for personal/creative/self indulgent reasons so don’t interact if these make you uncomfortable.

“Main” f/o’s

(Putting this in quotes since I hardly ever talk about these characters nowadays. They’ve just been my main for a while and I feel too attached to take them off the list)

⭐Dan {Dan Vs.} (Started shipping 7 years ago)

⭐Gary {Final Space} (Starting shipping 6 years ago).

Current main:

⭐ Alastor {Hazbin Hotel} (Started shipping 4 years ago) And before anyone comes after me with the “but he’s aroace!” comments, I know that and I don’t erase it. I’m aroace too and kind of imagine him and my S/I being in a possible QPR type thing. I still have developing to do. I just like the thought of two aroaces hitting it off and bonding closely. I take a lot of comfort in him as a fellow aroace so leave me be please 😭

⭐The Narrator and Stanley {The Stanley Parable} (This one’s a polyship and is pretty recent. Been shipping for about 7 months now)

Other f/o’s:

⭐Pinkie pie {MLP}

⭐Reagan {Inside job}

⭐Jinx {Arcane}

Other characters I like but don't consider f/o’s:

⭐Connor {Detroit Become Human}

⭐The Warden {Superjail}

⭐Andre {Inside Job}

⭐Ken {Barbie Movie}

⭐Mike {fnaf movie}

⭐️Rarity {MLP}

⭐Reigen {Mob Psycho 100}

⭐Archer {Archer} (It's always the walking red flags that get me 😔)

Familial/platonic f/o’s:

The only ones I can think of rn is Angel Dust from Hazbin Hotel. I kinda see them all like family tbh but specifically Angel Dust. Also maybe Kirk from Star Trek. Like we’d definitely be besties I’m so fr.

There’s probably more but I’d have to think about it.

【KIᑎs】

⭐Reagan {Inside job}

⭐Brett {Inside job}

⭐Moxxie {Helluvaboss}

⭐️ Millie {Helluvaboss}

⭐Tina {Bob’s burgers} (This one’s so funny to me but it’s so true. She’s literally me in every way possible😭)

Am I comfy sharing any of my f/os and kins?

Yes! I’m fine having doubles. I used to hate it a few years back but now that my mental health is a little more in check and I don’t have to rely on self shipping for major comfort like I used to, I no longer feel bothered by that. It was unhealthy anyway. Not to judge anyone who hates having doubles. I understand folks have pretty valid reasons for it. I just realized the attachment I had to these characters was turning into an unhealthy kind of obsession and was hurting me more than helping. I’m out of that place now luckily. I still self ship for comfort reasons but it’s not as in ease as it was before and mostly just for funsies now. If you're comfy sharing and we have doubles, totally message me so we can gush and ramble together! I love doing that 🫶💖

【ᗰY ᖴᑌᖇᔕOᑎᗩ】

Putting this here too since I'll probbaly be sharing furry stuff whenever I get the chance. So here is my eyesore of a fursona which is a wolf/fox/bat hybrid with a scene kid aesthetic who looks like every middle school edgelord oc deisgn vomited into one character. But idc honestly. I’m not doing anything serious with her and am just having fun. I also might use her for self shipping if I end up F/Oing any anthro characters but idk.

Art credit goes to coral-kun

【IᑎTEᖇEᔕTᔕ】

⭐Anything sci fi, crime, or comedy

⭐Any time era from before the 2010s. Though I specifically love the 20s-50s, and 80s-2000s the best :)

⭐Cartoons. Specifically for adults. Adult swim is literally my go to channel lol

⭐Reading, writing, art, crafting, etc

⭐Space, science, dinosaurs/paleontology and history

⭐Animals and zoos

⭐Conspiracy theories and mysteries

⭐Anything horror, paranormal, or creepy pasta

【ᑕᒪOᔕIᑎG】

And that's it! I hope I can meet some new friends and stuff but also predict that my reach won't be all that huge since I've never had massive luck with algorithms. Especially as of late. But if you're seeing this, don't be afraid to message me or interact! I love meeting new folks :3

[tabby-shieldmaiden]

Also no one ever talks about how sex negativity can interact with the idea of virgins being cringy losers. This comes up a lot in discourse around porn and masturbation. Porn is great and fun and masturbation is sexy and cool all until the person jerking off is a virgin (and might stay that way - might even stay that way willingly and happily!). Then it's sad, pathetic and possibly creepy. And god forbid the porn is anything but vanilla normie porn. If it's like furry porn or whatever, then that's free-game for mockery.

[autumnwyvern]

like okay i get why people are joining cohost and maybe they dont have their finger on the website meta discourse pulse and like on a surface level it probably looks like a great webbed site but within the last like month they unbanned and then rebanned underage furry porn (cub porn) and clarified that written porn of minors is okay as long as an adult isnt involved or its not a real person (what the fuck what the fuck) and announced that they are around ~40k in the red every month and its a real possibility they will have to close shop for money reasons within the near future

and i look at people still recommending and joining cohost and i cant help but think like. okay yeah jump onto that sinking rotting ship yeah thats fine thats cool just like dont expect me to follow

[flaetsbnortoriginals]

I've never been a furry but here's my take on it

Pretty much all of online discourse around furries comes from their presence in early 4chan, because it was one of the first online places where they congregated in great numbers. And it's from there that comes the idea that they are annoying and sex-obsessed.

But here's the thing:

of course they were annoying and sex-obsessed, this was a subset of furries that were also 4channers

the people saying this about furries and calling them sexual deviants did this between swapping loli porn

But 4chan was so formative to the internet in general that its take on furries just became general "knowledge". Even the XKCD strip defending furries makes its punchline the idea that the furry is easily turned on.

Just to clarify (because it's tumblr) it's fine for furries to be annoying and/or sex-obsessed, but it's an unfair view of furries as a category.

So yeah. I've never been a furry, but I too will defend them every time I can, because they've been the punchline of the internet for no reason since the early days

Never trust a furry disliker

[oozyozariah]

Ooze #1

There's something I've noticed about being a writer: I can't seem to unshackle myself from the weight of expectations for myself. No creative act I do ever feels good enough; I'm always cutting myself off, trying to revise things halfway before I complete them the first time. This sort of self-sabotage is only made worse when writing feels like bearing myself naked in front of people--I suppose it's easier to show that nakedness in front of strangers on the Internet.

I never really used the Internet growing up. I was always on it, but I never participated in anything. I was a voyeur of online subcultures, and always knew a little too much about what furries or otaku or Dungeons & Dragons players I encountered in real life were talking about, but I never made it known to anyone and didn't leave behind a sort of digital footprint out of the fear that had been drilled into me since I was a kid that any sort of post would come back to bite me in the ass. I now see just how much you can do online and get away with, and I know myself well enough to know that I am not someone who wishes to enact harm, and with a willingness to grow, it's really only cowardice on my part that keeps me from participating in the great online discourse.

So, to anyone who may be reading this, you've happened across a little corner of mine where I am naked in my interests, idiosyncrasies, hobbies and beliefs. I'm a furry, I like anime, I draw, I'm a DM, I write fantasy, I'm Puerto Rican, I'm queer, I'm a nerd, I'm anxious, I'm here.

Thank you for being here with me.

[ritzcuit]

even at my most morally scrupulous my friends Who are not furries have had to deal w me ranting about feral discourse and for that i really do owe everyone like. apology cupcakes

but it will always be the stupidest shit to me. in the FURRY FANDOM? BY OTHER FURRIES??? from ppl outside the fandom its inevitable bc they dont have the implicit "this is all fantasy representations of humans and not Actual literal animals" mindset that you like, buy into when you join the fandom. BUT. OTHER FURRIES DO. OSTENSIBLY. understand that anything you draw is largely under the umbrella of "this is a representation of a human or otherwise sentient sapient creature. who walks and talks and thinks and speaks like we do."

but to newgen furries. if you draw nsfw feral. U must be a zoophile bc youre sexualizing literal animals. and for some of them it isnt even abt the genitals bc like, knots on anthros are okay, so its literally just, about, being on four legs. Thats the problem. is that the thing your sexualizing doesnt have prominent enough shoulders. depending on the art style... some ppl draw anthros with paws so its not like "well its the paws!!" some ppl draw anthros in a way that, if theyre not actively bipedal, its hard to tell if theyre anthro or feral. ive seen artists get banned and harrassed for drawing werewolf porn bc it Wasnt Clear Enough whether it was an anthro or. a feral. ITS A WEREWOLF!!!!!!THEYRENKT EVEN REAL*

*point stands for other things such as pokemon, dragons, and Like dinosaurs are real but theyre also extinct and no dinosaur is at risk of getting zoophile'd anytime soon so

like it is just an INSANE discourse to me that is so subjective. bc again, at a certain point youre just policing art styles. i keep wanting to make more furry friends and then i remember that a great deal of newgen furries are Fucking Crazy and its like oh wait no i just have to wait it out, i guess. god it sucks so BAD U PPL HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL MISUBDERSTANDING OF SEX AND SEXUALITY ANX IM TIIIIIIIRED OF IT

And like yeah knots arent actually safe from this bc ive def seen an encroaching attitude of "God ew why are other furries so obsessed with literal dog dick youre all disgusting porn brained zoophiles 🤢" AND AGAIN, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW ONE DECIDES TO JOIN THE FANDOM IF THIS IS WHAT THEY THINK OF PPL. Personally if i thought a community was full of zoos i would Simply Not Join but idk thats just me. nevertheless its literally untrue. ive said this before but most of the time ppl just Like it when the dick does smth different. normal normie ppl who arent furries rock heavy w omegaverse and werewolf erotica. Like. god!! Not everyone is a sex criminal!!!!

[askgothamshitty]

I think i was so delirious last night I forgot to finish my ask oh wow.

I wasn't trying to talk about anora I was just using it a jumping off point. I will.now try to reorient myself from there.

There seems to be this ever growing cultural desire to pathologize and moralize one's opinions. It's no longer acceptable to say, "I think this thing is bad." It has to be "this thing is morally and ethically bad," or else your opinion is invalid.

And i get why people are like that. The discourse driven nature of modern social media leads people to constantly try to find the best reason to feel some way to sort of bully the other person to feel the same way. Lots of things are just going wrong, and it's destroying people's ability to engage in meaningful discussions.

Coming back to age gaps

There is nothing morally, ethically, or politically wrong with an age gap relationship. An age gap relationship is just when two persons with a considerable age difference get into a relationship. While there are many problematic reasons that can influence this type of relationship, none of it is inherent. Any argument you try to present on why age gaps are, in general, bad is rooted in assumptions.

That being said, I fucking hate age gap relationships. Especially when the man is older. I think it's gross and weird. I look down on any man that dates a woman more than five years his junior (and that's only because that's the age difference between my parents and my mom was well into her twenties so it's fine). I don't care what either of you say or how you try to argue it, I think it's weird. I think he's a loser and no woman his age wanted him. I refuse to give a man the benefit of the doubt. Not because im a feminist but because I hate men.

We need to stop trying to justify our feelings, like it's suddenly illegal to have an opinion. I do encourage introspection and self reflection. I think we should try to understand why we feel the way that we feel. But you first have to acknowledge that it is just how you feel. Because sometimes, the way you feel isn't always morally correct. Sometimes, you hold a bigoted or biased opinion. You can be wrong for feeling the way you feel.

You can not try to build a political or moral stance on a feeling. Treating all your opinions as great divine intuition will make your politics hollow and reactionary. You will be more focused on comforting yourself than doing any sort of actual research or understanding.

And as always, this is what makes people terfs. The refusal to investigate one's understanding around sex or gender and accept that you may actually be wrong will push toward a politic that validates these feelings in a seemingly progressive way. Because you're not actually trying to learn or understand the world, you're just seeking a moral argument to comfort yourself.

I hate age gap relationships because I can. There is nothing political or moral about them. They're just controversial. They're not inherently anti feminist although they do sometimes reflect certain ideas around femininity and heterosexuality. But that is a very specific situation full of assumptions. I can make these same arguments without latching onto such a feeble example.

I don't like furries. I don't like interracial dating (don't worry, im black from a predominantly black country. This is not segregation, just pure haterism). I dont like Western cartoons. I don't like seeing white people rap. I dont like seeing white people in kpop. I think thirst traps and edits are cringe. I think self shipping is weird. I dont want to live in an apartment, I dont care if it is more economical and a better use of space. I dont think we should get rid of cemeteries. I dont like elections. I dont like horror movies. I hate indie music. You cannot make me like Megan thee stallion. I font think women should get hysterectomies just because they dont want kids.

I dont like a lot of things for better or for worse. It's nothing political. It's nothing ethical. I just don't like it. I will continue to unlearn all of my biases and beliefs and practice introspection, but I only do myself harm if I assume that I am right about everything. Sometimes I'm wrong, sometimes I'm a bigot, hell I can be a hypocrite. Contradictions and imperfections make us human.

I dont want to see a man in his 30s hunching on a 20 year old and you can't make me.

Very interesting! Thanks for clarifying

[agathokakolog1cal]

intro :3

the basics

monarchofthequeerpotatoes-agathokakolog1cal

the thing about my spirit was something @sarkylittlemonster said

hey guys if you have moneys please consider helping out my lovely friend <3 hes selling cool stuff and its hard for it atm

my favourite piece of art to ever exist

on adults interacting with me

the sweetest most prettiest berry in the whole wide world, the sirius orion black to my remus john lupin, who is approximately 15 hours too far away

im a furry now (/silly but my sibling made me sonas look LOOOK)

me!

hello! my name is iris. you can call me whatever nicknames you want (some people call me rissie) but my name doesn't really lend itself to nicknames haha. i also like pet names so you can call me those if you want :3

i use he/she/any neos/they pronouns (any neos/any neos's are not my pronouns, pronouns page is js annoying) in order of preference! (and yes, this does mean you may choose whatever neos you think suit me. please do not exclusively call me they/them.) i use any gendered terms but please don't call me a person in the way people use it as a gender neutral version of boy/girl? yk what i mean? js pick boy or girl idm

i love meeting people and making new friends :D but i can be a little awkward

im bi with a preference for guys, ambi (taken and definitely not actively looking for other relationships because im very happy with my current partner but if you do like me we can talk about it) and probably aspec

i do moodboards based off people's names!!! if you want one just send an ask and if you have multiple names tell me which one you want :333

im a red fox therian :333333333 yip yip

dni

adults privately without asking

homophobes, transphobes, racists, zionists, etc

exclusively nsfw blogs

pro ana/pro sh blogs (ed/sh blogs can interact. i have the tags blocked. you may vent to me, what triggers me is spo/sh pics/stuff along those lines)

byi

i will try to tag whatever you need. remind me if i don't. please tag rape/sa, blood, emeto, and ed/sh content if we're moots :)

i don't have opinions on most discourse stuff (except for the obvious stuff in my dni). if your opinions on syscourse or shipcourse or any of that stuff are so strong that you can't interact with someone who doesn't share exactly the same ones…don't interact i guess? idc about anyone with any opinions regarding that stuff interacting with me but don't be mean to my moots who have opposite opinions.

i am neurodivergent (diagnosed audhd + probably some other stuff) and might be a lil awkward

im quite affectionate (if i comfort you i might call you love or sweetheart and i'll probably tell you you're pretty if a photo of you comes up on my dash. i mean this platonically unless explicitly otherwise stated and i'll stop if you tell me to)

my dms are also open to any of my moots who aren't adults :) come!! ask me random questions!! send me photos of your cats!! tell me about that new song you heard or place you went!!! tell me how you're not doing great or how you're feeling better!! i care.

i don't reach out to people very often because i'm a bit scared of it but if you send me an ask or dm me or whatever i will go YIPEE and start talking to you

i have bad rsd. please use tone indicators and avoid making me think you're mad at me unless you are (i am one of those people who thinks everyone hates me and i am an imposter everywhere i go blablabla)

im happy to participate in tag games but i usually open tag

im not a fan of bullying or cringe culture or mean people in general. this is a positive space, please try to be nice.

blog will sometimes be nsft i tag everything "suggestive". dont be weird about it?

boundaries (in emojis bc they change)

👜- you can do this!

💵- ask before doing this!

⚜️- please do not ever do this unless i explicitly tell you to

🤎- please do this! i actively like when people do it

venting to me-👜

sending me anything nsfw-⚜️ (tagging me in suggestive stuff is fine but please dont try to sext me/send me nudes/whatever, i am an asexual minor.)

asking me for advice- 👜

sending memes-👜

tagging me in things- 👜

messaging me and asking to be friends-🤎

asking for other socials- i'll answer for you now, i don't have any. close moots can have my email if they wanna email me for whatever reason or if they wanna call me (ill only call if we're close close)

posting about me- 👜

calling/facetiming me- 💵 but also 🤎

asking if i'm okay-👜

asking which pronouns i prefer at the moment- 👜

asking for my playlist- i don't have spotify

sending me selfies- 👜

asking for selfies-👜 but you have to take no for an answer

using tone indicators- 🤎

making me anything :) (art, moodboards, playlists, whatever)- 🤎

asking about anything you wanna know- 👜

you are supported, accepted, and safe on this blog <333 ily

stuff i like

green=favs

music (in random order i just. add new artists in the middle idk why. yes crispin you are in this no you cant argue) - will wood (and the tapeworms), billie eilish, fontaines d.c, kendrick lamar, alex g, car seat headrest, taylor swift, the mouldy peaches, chappell roan, olivia rodrigo, conan gray, jolie holland, radiohead, declan mckenna, hozier, lana, noahfinnce, yungblud, beabadoobee, bikini kill, frank ocean, @outlying-hyppocrate, boygenius, nirvana, cavetown, sam fender

books/tv/film- osemanverse (including the heartstopper show), studio ghibli, young royals, across the spiderverse, good omens, anything to do with the moomins, tsoa

general stuff i like- animals, etymology, reading, greek mythology, pikas, tea, bjj, drawing, the marauders (notorious multishipper i love most ships), baking

mooties/people i like!!

@beanthebugboi - my beloved sibling <3

@sarkylittlemonster - best writer in the universe ever nobody argue or you're wrong

@forest-fairy-wren - bird boi bone lover /ij

@gh0stly-sunb0y - my son

@everythingseasoning - mother

@i-ate-the-sun7 can always rely on that guy to tag me in cute marauders shit

@gay-little-isopod username is self explanatory whats not to love about a gay little isopod

@michaelholdenkinn1e - lovely first mootie

@not-ready-for-gaster trusty reblogger

@thebabycage SUCH A NICE PERSON. MUCH NICE SO KIND OMG.

@homocidalpotat the bestest of bodyguards

@th3-c0ld-n0v3mb3r-r4in - my daughter

@old-man-spine - also cool guy :33 hes very comforting idk why

@outlying-hyppocrate - too cool to be moots with me, most fanciest way of talking award, awesome musician

@greenteaandspikes - the sweetest berry in the world <3

@s1l4s-w0rsh1ps-t0m4t03s - JHKSHKJAHJKHJKKJH SO COOL. tomato's biggest fan, beloved emo boy

@dracosleftarsecheek - yip yip

@solzinstarzzz - also too cool to follow me

@kairosthegoat - likes maths for some unexplainable reason. cool guy tho

@kawaiibarty - STOP MAKING ME CRY OR ELSE

@moriartyyoushouldseemeinacrown - kitty cat!!

@lifegoalsofafish - fishyyy best jewelry maker

@s4ge-s4ge-s4ge - beloved ask box spammer. also my daughter :D :D

@just-a-lurking-creature - yip yippppp :333

@sakiluvr555 - mayayyaayayayayayayayy his name sounds like yay when you keysmash it bc they make me go YAY

@666godsperfectidiot - how could i forget micah. professional askbox infodumper and i am very very grateful for that /gen