#terfs and Radfems are BIGOTS

[cuntnikida]

For fucks sake. Everytime i go onto tiktok (which tbh isn't often but still) i see women shaming sydney sweeny and sabrina carpenter. And as someone living in a developing country where honour killings still regularly happen and i haven't ever gone more than a week without being slutshamed despite all my skin being covered in baggy traditional clothes, this shit absolutely REAKS of slutshaming.

Like genuinely if you think sydney sweeny selling her bathwater is setting feminism back decades (as if one woman can do that ALL on her own) than what the fuck do you think of actual sex workers? Do you think they're also helping women's oppression by catering to men? Do you genuinely believe sex workers are setting feminism back? Because that sounds like the terf and radfem rhetoric i've heard about how every single woman sex worker EVER is actually being raped because every single one isn't actually consenting because they're all too opressed to be capable of consent and for some reason that logic of not being able to consent due to oppression doesn't apply to women who have sex with men but aren't sex workers because that'd mean alot of the people hating sex workers for helping the patriarchy would also have to hate themselves for helping the patriarchy.

And about sabrina carpenter. Kinks exist outside of ao3. Straight white women can be kinky. She's not setting feminism back for engaging in kink consensually. People are saying word for word that her sexualising herself knowing men will get off on it is shameful. That's literally the logic sexist women where i live use to make girls cover up every inch because a man's going to get off on it and if you let him it's shameful. Literally textbook slutshaming. If you think she's degrading herself by doing something sexual and see that as a valid reason to dislike and shame her then I'd like to see you explain how you're any different from my mother who thinks me not covering my hair is me degrading myself by doing something sexual.

And before you say that the difference is my hair isn't sexual, what's sexual is subjective. I don't have a foot kink and don't think of them as sexual body parts but there's plenty of people who do and therefore think of feet as sexual. You can't say you're better than the other slut shamers because you're only shaming the actually slutty women. That's the same logic oppressed bigots use to oppress others. That's the same logic poc people use to excuse their oppression of queer people. Oh it's bad when white people shame me for being uncivilised and subhuman but it's okay when i shame queer people for being uncivilised and subhuman. It's the logic that it's okay to be an oppressor so long as the oppressed is bad enough to "deserve it". What you're saying when you say your slutshaming is okay and my mother's isn't is that it's okay to slut shame someone so long as they're slutty enough to "deserve it".

At the end of the day the only difference between you thinking sabrina carpenter and sydney sweeny should be cancelled and shamed and people I've met who think women shouldn't wear jeans and/or shirts in public because it makes them westernized whores is that you people have different boundaries for what a non degrading amount of sexuality is.

At the end of the day you BOTH think there's a certain amount of sexual a woman can be that shows she has no self respect and that once she reaches that amount you don't need to respect her either because she doesn't respect herself. And after that the only other difference is how much you can disrespect her, for some people it's shit talking on social media and for others it's taking her right to live. And people don't get to the idea of her not deserving to live without shaming her socially first.

Point is, any amount of slut shaming is too much fucking slut shaming. And all slut shaming comes from the same sexist ideas.

[lastoneout]

Nothing shows the long-term negative effect the Shinigami Eyes extension has had on the queer community better than the fact that now that's it's fallen apart I'm seeing people legit saying the reason it's bad now is because it "got taken over by TERFs" like bro...we really let this extension do SO MUCH heavy lifting that now a big chunk of the online queer community has no fucking idea what a TERF actually is or how to identify one.

Shinigami Eyes is still owned and maintained by trans people and there has not, to my knowledge, been some sort of covert TERF coup to wrench control away from the decent trans folks running it(TERFs don't need to do that to weaponize it, anyone can use it and it is not moderated well enough for false labels to get caught 100% of the time and there is no way to appeal a false label anyway). It's still trans people in charge. The problem is that trans people are not immune to being bigoted and welding whatever scrap of power they have in a space to target marginalized people they don't like. Which, tbh we probably should have seen coming given that for most of it's existence the rules have stated outright that several transmedicialist slurs attacking afab trans people are "out of scope".

Shinigami Eyes did not get taken over by TERFs, again, they don't need to be in charge to use it as a weapon. Unfortunately the people in charge just happen to hold some profoundly shitty views about several marginalized demographics and have responded to being called out for that by deciding intersex, nonbinary, and afab trans people are inherently transphobic and marking them as such.

We never should have relied on a crowdsourced blacklist that has been vulnerable to misuse from day one to catch transphobes for us. We need to know how to recognize TERFs, radfems, and other transphobes ourselves, because not being able to recognize them unless they're standing on a desk screaming about how much they want trans people to die is making it easy for their horrid bullshit to permeate our spaces and promote division and hatred.

Learn to spot TERFs, radfems, and transphobes yourself. Do not outsource your critical thinking to a person or group with power and no accountability. We have to be better than that.

[dhddmods]

You are not immune to being intersexist. Being anti-mutilation & anti-hormone abuse isn't enough.

We are so sick of radfems/TERFS/SWERFs and perisex queer people claiming to be intersex allies, while perpetuating intersexist ideals. We have had to correct some of these behaviors within ourselves over the years (ie; making intersexist jokes, using the H-slur while being unaware it was a slur, etc), because its so ingrained in society.

You are not immune to spreading intersexism. If you are still doing those things, learn now to stop and do better.

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Gatekeeping intersex variations & traits is intersexist.*

Calling intersex variations & traits conditions, disorders of sexual development/DSDs, urogenital deformities/disorders, hormone disorders, or chromosomal disorders is intersexist.**

Claiming intersex people can be sorted into a binary system ("female intersex" & "male intersex") is intersexist.***

Using f-ta (*u) or b--ddel (*ae) is intersexist and a slur.

Using h-rmaphrodite/h-rm (*e) - yes, even on animals - is intersexist and a slur. Use cosexed or intersex instead.****

Labelling altersex or cosexed characters as "intersex" is intersexist. Treating intersex variations as synonymous with cosexed is intersexist.

Identifying as "transintersex" is intersexist. Intersex & perisex are not a choice. Use one of the countless other terms to describe transitioning to mixed or null sex traits instead.

Lying about being intersex to get access to sex affirming care is intersexist, and isn't any "safer" than outing yourself as trans or altersex.

Claiming that intersex people can't be trans, or gatekeeping how they identify, is intersexist.

Mocking menstruation & pregnancy in people who aren't female-perceived (ie; mocking mpreg) is intersexist.

Calling intersex traits "too complicated" to bring up in basic biology class and sex education is intersexist. It only takes an extra 30 minutes to teach the basics of it.

Using small dick, no balls/small balls, or low T as insults is intersexist. Mocking people for having the "wrong" secondary sex traits (breasts, hips, muscle mass, body/facial hair, voice pitch, etc) is intersexist.*****

Calling HRT feminizing and masculinizing is intersexist. Using AFAB/AMAB interchangeably with mulleripathian/wolffipathian is intersexist.

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*Intersex describes a wide spectrum. This includes penile traits, urethral traits, ambiguous genitals, the agenital spectrum, reproductive traits, hormonal traits, and chromosomal variations. It is not just "mixed parts." You can read about them in our guide.

**Yes, intersex people often have comorbid disorders, but that does not make their intersexuality a disorder. Yes, sometimes (keyword SOMETIMES) urethral traits need surgery in order to urinate, but that doesn't make it a deformity, it just means that evolution isn't a conscious being.

***Yes, some intersex people have mostly mulleripathian traits or mostly wolffipathian traits - but that doesn't change the fact that they are intersex. Also, some intersex people are extremely ambiguous. Are you going to tell a person with XX-XY chimerism, ovotestes, a uterus, and a penis that they can be categorized into a binary sex system?

****Use cosexed when referring to animals who primarily have mixed sex traits (ie; slugs, snails, certain bugs, etc.) Use intersex when referring to animals who have a mulleripathian & wolffipathian variant, but fall outside of that (ie; a gynandromorph beetle or bird, a hyena born without a penis or pseudophallus, a calico cat with XXY chromosomes, etc.)

*****All of those are intersex traits. In fact, all of those things are genderqueer/varsex (trans, GNC, altersex, etc) traits too. Joking about people's bodies in general is just bigoted and disrespectful, why are you using body shaming as a punchline anyways?

[fixing-bad-posts]

I need to stop getting into arguments with people online, but there’s always part of me that hopes they’ll listen to reason.

I’ve been in an argument with a TERF since yesterday, and it’s just draining how her vendetta against men extends to the point where she seems to think merely being born a man means you’re perpetuating male privilege.

yyyeah, you should stop that, babes. i know you mean well—and i feel the same about wanting to reason with hateful people! but arguing online with strangers is not going to change anyone's mind. in fact, debating people with wack bigoted viewpoints only gets them to defensively double down. especially in the case of TERFs and radfems, many of their beliefs stem from real and terrible traumas—arguing with them only gives them fuel to feed their victimhood fire.

the hard truth is that the way we legitimately deradicalize people & change minds is by showing radical compassion. when people feel that they are safe, not under attack, & being understood, they are more likely to change their beliefs and admit they were wrong. if you cannot devote the time + energy to being patient & kind with a toxic person online, it's best to block and move on.

[scarytransandrophobiatruther]

if you exhibit terf or transmisogynistic rhetoric, or platform those who do, i do not like you either. as far as im concerned genderqueerdykes needs to either leave the internet and undo all of the radfem conditioning its done to itself or it needs to die in a pit. saying "oh im sorry" is no excuse for openly racefaking and pretending to be black for hundreds of dollars or going on a 1k+ word rant about trans women being male socialized.

that is years worth of internalized transphobia and it actively appropriated racism for its own gain. that will not be undone with a "sorry." that is "leave the internet and come back in 6 months" level bad. i dont know why the transandrophobia community isnt making more of a fuss about this considering it allegedly raped someone as well. im a transandro "bro" but i am just as furious about the treatment of trans women on this site, and if you continue to platform a racefaker and a potential rapist i do not like nor trust you on my page.

the paradox of tolerance states that if we continue to tolerate the intolerant they will ransack our community into a bigoted mess. get transmisogynistic transandrophobia theorists out of this space and never put that fucker on my dash again. quit sending it asks, quit sending it donations, quit listening to its whining. im sick of this community trying to ignore this or going "oh now people are going to hate transandrobros even more!!!" seriously??? you care about your image right now?????? it raped someone (allegedly). what the fuck is wrong with you. there are bigger issues, here!!! and if it didnt commit rape it is still currently a horrible person. its donation posts are still up, and it has still not addressed the rape allegations. quit shoving this under the rug.

[evilgothmisandrist]

radfem: w-

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OP IS A TERF!!!! OP IS A BIGOT!!!! YALL DONT INTERACT!!!! OP IS A DISGUSTING TERF!!!!!!

[eris-abomination]

Not to be patronizing, but I’m convinced some of y’all don’t know what radfems actually are. Every time I try to speak about how dangerous and reductive radical feminism is as an ideology, I get paragraphs upon paragraphs written trying to “errm actually” me and defending them, so let me clear things up.

Radical feminism’s core belief centers around a form of gender essentialism: that men are inherently violent oppressors and that the patriarchy is to blame for every problem that befalls women and fems. This is not to say that the patriarchy isn’t a major contributor to misogyny, but it completely excludes intersectionality from the equation and dovetails into TERFy rhetoric very easily.

In blaming every issue on the patriarchy alone, radical feminism erases the very real contributions of racism, homophobia, transphobia, ableism, etc from our struggles in society. Oppression and privilege are extremely complex and fed into by many biases and phobias upheld by our societal systems, not just the “boys vs girls” mentality that radfems emphasize. The main pitfall of this ideology is the way it places all men and all women on an equivalent level of privilege or oppression respectively, rather than the unfortunate reality: for example, a cishet man having inherent privilege and hypothetical oppressing power over a queer or trans man, or an abled woman having privilege over a disabled woman.

Radical feminism also tends to veer into a defeatist mindset: men are inherently oppressive and women are inherently at the bottom of the societal totem pole, so what’s the point of trying to dismantle these systems? The radfem “solution” is to ignore the nuances of intersectionality and create divisions between men and women as a “safety measure” which, as mentioned earlier, opens the door for TERF-like and tribalist ideologies to take root (bathroom bans, label politics, “gender traitor” rhetoric, and categorization of trans and nonbinary people into their AGABs). The “solution” of creating purely woman-only spaces fails to acknowledge that women can also be oppressive toward other women, but it’s still viewed through the lens of “the patriarchy can’t affect things here because we’re all on the same level of disadvantage”.

I don’t write all this to accuse all self-proclaimed radfems of being knowingly malicious or bigoted, but it seems that not many people fully understand the true implications and reductiveness of what radical feminism really is. If you managed to get through this whole post (congratulations!), I invite you to examine your own ideologies and the biases and faults behind them, and hopefully grow, change, and become a more nuanced and open-minded person from there.

Edit: I can and will delete your comments if you’re incapable of being civil (or scrolling away or blocking me like a normal goddamn person) 💕💕💕

[autolenaphilia]

It's interesting how intellectually inconsistent the arguments against "problematic" kinks like fauxcest, CNC and ageplay is. Like the anti-kink people get very heated about those kinks for "fetishizing/romanticizing" abuse. And the thing is, that's true for bdsm in general. It relies on roleplaying power inequalties, which would be very abusive if they were real.

That was in fact the argument of the 70s radfems who created the type of anti-kink discourse that relies on exploiting feminist concerns about abuse. They were against all forms of bdsm, including among (cis) lesbians. They used the same arguments we see against fauxcest and CNC today, for what is normal bdsm play.

And the radfems kinda lost this battle of the feminist sex wars, probably because it alienated a lot of the cis women they were recruiting from. Nowadays queer people of all genders do a lot of bdsm and anti-bdsm views don't get a lot of airtime.

Nowadays you see this anti-bdsm rhetoric mostly among proud terfs who use it to prove their hardcore bonafides. (Although I've seen some tenderqueers who admit that they think all bdsm is problematic too.)

And i think that's because the anti-kink people have decided to do a strategic retreat on this question. The radfems took a too extreme stance and alienated people who they otherwise could have recruited. So they have gone for easier targets. Kinks which are seen as extreme compared to "normal" bdsm, like fauxcest and CNC. And they target individual transfems accused of being into or even just "defending" these kinks with callouts and mobbing instead of condemning all the cis gays and lesbians into bdsm.

This leads to intellectual inconsistency. It's fine to play with whips in the bedroom,but doing CNC play is evil. One type of roleplaying abusive relationships is fine, but the other is bad. It's obvious hypocrisy to broaden the appeal of the message.

And of course, their transmisogynistic bias is obvious and I and others have noted this before. And even if the anti-kink people weren't transmisogynistic bigots, they will naturally target us for their moralistic crusade out of opportunism. We transfems are easy targets for callouts on these subjects, because transmisogyny primes people to easily view us as perverted sexual predators and those doing the callouts tend to have tme privilege over us.

And as I said before, the 70s radfems anti-bdsm position and their transmisogyny were intertwined. Janice Raymond literally diagnosed trans women in "The Transsexual Empire" with sadomasochism, something she views as inherently pathological.

And of course their arguments are bullshit anyway. Like sure a lot of kink fetishizes abuse, but I don't see that as a reason to condemn the people doing it. I don't see why I should care if someone gets off on a rape fantasy or CNC roleplay, because it's Not Real. I don't care about fictional murders for the same reason. Most arguments to the contrary tend to rely on the arch-reactionary concept of sexual degeneracy: "if you do enough fauxcest and CNC it will warp your mind and you'll eventually rape your relatives for real, or inspire someone to do so." It ignores the material societal conditions that lead to abuse in the real world.

[velvetvexations]

Regarding the "is it really the end of the world if we acknowledge misandry existing" thing, I feel like people just cannot or are unwilling to accept that there's a difference between bigotry and systemic oppression. Quite often they go hand in hand, but you can absolutely be bigoted towards any group of people regardless of what systemic power they may or may not hold. Radfems and TERFs hold bigoted beliefs about men, misandry can exist and be harmful without it always or ever being a systemic force the same way misogyny is. And ofc intersectionality shows us that even if men aren't usually oppressed for being men, their identities can change the nature of the oppression from general bigotry to systemic oppression, like how I've had to argue with TERFs and radfems who think there's nothing wrong with white women calling the cops on black men for talking to them in public because men are always dangerous and women are always the victim and thus anything women do to "protect themselves", even if they weren't in any danger at all and are in fact the dangerous and oppressive party in this situation, is correct. Misandry might not be a systemic force on it's own, but bigotry against men does exist and it can become systemic misandry when we're talking about black, disabled, queer, fat, or otherwise oppressed men.

I think people also need to understand that traits that are viewed as positive in a white or abled or cishetperisex or even just housed man can be twisted into negative stereotypes when applied to marginalized men. White pericishet abled skinny men are supposed to be stronger than women because a role they are forced into is that of the protector, and thus able and willing to be violent to protect themselves and especially the man's friends and family and that is seen as a point of pride...but when you take the base assumption that all men are stronger than all women and capable of violence and apply it to a group the cishetero white supremacist patriarchy does not believe can be trusted with strength, well then you get people thinking black and disabled men are dangerous, because they're men and thus strong and not "good" men and thus untrustworthy, so their strength makes them a threat. Unhoused men are seen as dangerous because they are men and man = strong and unhoused = crazy, and male strength + crazy = threat in our society. Same with disabled men. Or, men are seen as good at sports because they're supposed to be strong and tough...and that leads mostly poor and black men to be preyed upon by the professional sports industry and used and then discarded when they have been damaged to the point they can't make shareholders and team owners tons of money playing anymore.

I really don't understand why it's hard to recognize that what is considered a positive aspect of the masculine role in society is heavily dependent on context, society does not always see strength as a good thing in men they don't believe can be trusted with it. It is not always rewarded as anyone who has spent even a little bit of time reading about football injuries or the history of eugenics (I mean god the way the average eugenicist talks about men of color will show you strength is not always seen as a good thing in men) can tell you, and the patriarchy does not always blindly praise masculinity in anyone either. Women are not supposed to be masculine, as they are not seen as worthy of the strength and power masculinity expects of cis men, and that makes gnc women and trans men be seen as dangerous. Trans women are seen as predatory men and strength in a predatory man (who isn't a good upstanding cishetperisex rich white skinny man) is generally regarded as a bad thing, so they're also punished just for existing (obligatory transphobia and transmisogyny is more complex than this but this is an aspect of it).

It's honestly really basic theory, idk why TRFs struggle with it so much. Transandrophobia as a term does not imply the existence of systemic misandry, but bigotry against men absolutely exists, and sometimes it exists within and as a result of the patriarchy itself because it's always about uplifting the RIGHT men and that is when misandry becomes systemic instead of just bigotry, when the "wrong" men are in the spotlight. If you're the wrong kind of man you'll be seen as strong, and that strength, rather than being seen as a positive like in cishet white perisex abled skinny men, will be used to oppress you on the basis that masculine strength in the hands of someone who shouldn't have it/cannot be trusted with it is dangerous and must be dealt with.

Anyway, yeah. Radfems of all kinds really need to accept that bigotry can exist without systemic oppression backing it up, but also it can become systemic depending on the context, which is why we have intersectionality in the first fucking place. It's to talk about this. I wish they could get that through their heads.

agree with all of this but then they're just gonna take things like a nuanced examination of the topic and go "see, they DO believe in general misandry! TMRA status confirmed!"

[tea-and-secrets]

I'm a relatively popular fandom artist so I get quite a lot of new followers. Even though I get a lot, I always make sure to check their blogs and block any TERFs/radfems/etc. and report any bots.

And oh my god. What the fuck. Why does every goddamn kid that follows me have a pinned post or caard listing their exact age, gender identity/sexuality, mental illnesses, and triggers?

STOP! STOP! STOP! STOP FUCKING DOING THAT!

What is fucking going on? You're literally advertising to people that you're a vulnerable, mentally ill minor and giving them a list of ways that they can trigger you.

No one needs to know that you're 14.

No one needs to know what you look like.

No one needs to know what your house/school looks like.

No one needs to know when your birthday is.

No one needs to know what race you are.

No one needs to know the state/country/province you're living in.

No one needs to know what your triggers are.

No one needs to know what your gender and sexuality are.

No one needs to know what mental illnesses/disabilities/etc. you have.

You're literally giving cyberbullies, predators, stalkers, and bigots a list of ways that they can make your life hell. It would be so, so fucking easy for them to use all of this information to find out where you live in real life.

Do you understand? People from the internet who want to hurt you can figure out your home address from all of the information you're giving them.

I don't care if all of your friends are also listing all of this shit in their bios or caard or pinned post. I don't care if terminally online fandom freaks call you suspicious or weird or creepy for not having your exact age listed.

If anyone tells you that you need to list this information, they're a dangerous person and you need to get away from them.

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[moonlightsapphic]

— sapphic allyship handbook —

✨ Sapphics! 🗣️

Contemporary radfem (TERF/TIRF) rhetoric may permeate your 🫵 algorithm! Stop 🛑 and think 🤔 when you see 👀 content such as:

⭐️ Lesbianism is the most politically correct sexuality to combat patriarchy due to its exclusion of men. Therefore, other queer women should not “roll back their queerness” by dating men during the current climate. Who you date should not be made political, and to demand this from an individual for their participation in feminism is authoritarian conversion rhetoric. Sexual orientation (and who you love) is not a choice; it is a morally neutral natural human identity. A queer woman is not less or more queer due to her current partner, and a straight or bi woman in a relationship with a man is not automatically a lesser feminist. “Political lesbianism” during second-wave feminism ultimately invalidated lesbianism as an authentic romantic and sexual orientation, and caused devastating sapphic culture erasure.

⭐️ Lesbians and trans women are minoritised even within the LGBTQ+ community and can therefore never cause tangible harm to bisexual women and trans men respectively. This is because lesbians and trans women do not hold any power over bisexual women and trans men under cisheterosexism. This generalisation does not account for intersectional systems of oppression across race, nationality, class, disability, etc. Privilege (or lack thereof) is not quantitative and depends on context. Additionally, lateral phobias across different minoritised groups can cause harm. A lesbian can be biphobic, or participate in monosexism (a historically enduring system that causes alarmingly high levels of documented life-threatening harm to bisexuals), despite not systematically oppressing bisexuals under cisheterosexism. A trans woman can be transandrophobic/transmisandrist towards a trans man, despite not holding systematic power over trans men. Obviously, bisexuals can exhibit lesbophobia and transmascs can exhibit transmisogyny as well.

⭐️ Queer women who switch away from the lesbian label, and/or choose to date men rather than being loyal to WLW encourage lesbophobia by implying to men that lesbians can be corrected by “tradwife” culture. When formerly lesbian-identified women say they feel “healed” by discovery of their fluid sexuality or by a specific partner who happens to be a man, it actively harms lesbian visibility, validity, and safety. Victim-blaming a bi+ woman for the behaviour of bigots is known as bimisogyny. It buys into the radfem (and patriarchal) belief that men are innately subhuman monsters that only exercise restraint when when women demonstrate puritanical abstinence, rather than acknowledging men are fellow flawed humans taught to be violent under patriarchy. A woman who consensually engages in sexual and romantic relations with men is not responsible for sexual assault culture from men. That would be slut-shaming. Queer folks of any gender/sexuality are allowed to proudly find comfort in their identities and partners, as this is the goal of LGBTQ+ movement.

⭐️ Real lesbians (and who lesbians are really attracted to) are conventionally feminine, must identify as women, use she/her pronouns, and never want to be known as “boyfriends” or “husbands”; otherwise you’re just bisexual. Lesbians must always be non-men who are exclusively attracted to non-men. Non-men who present masculine, don’t identify as women, or are attracted to non-feminine non-men genders “invade” lesbian spaces. This is lebophobia, butchphobia, and transandrophia. Butches, mascs, gender non-conforming women, genderqueer folks including multigender folks (who may identify as men), and transmascs (including some trans men) identifying as lesbians are not only perfectly valid but also a well-documented historically important part of lesbian community.

⭐️ It is by default unfeminist for a woman to cater to the male gaze and male pleasure, because it will thwart feminism. Even fem(me) lesbians who pass as straight center the “male gaze”. This is once again misogynistic slut-shaming and victim-blaming, and leads to villification of sex work. The patriarchy depends on maintaining authority over women’s sexuality; attempting to oppose that using further suppression is just compliance to and repackaging of patriarchal purity culture. The feminist goal is women’s sexual liberation. Femininity and feminine sexuality are a complex performance done for the self, for other women (the female gaze), and also to contrast/complement/seek admiration of masculine partner (who may also be a non-man). It can be conforming or non-conforming to conventionally patriarchal standards. All of these effects are highly subjective and context-dependent. To imply fem(me) lesbians center men due to their femininity is lesbophobic and ignorant of lesbian culture. A more coherent feminist goal would be to advocate for more women to have agency over their own sexuality under the patriarchy, as actual sex workers are often the most underprivileged women.

⭐️ Formerly lesbian-identified trans men and bi women purposefully chose new identities that conform to and offer more privilege under the patriarchy. Because of their greed and/or brainwashing, exclusive lesbian community is disappearing. Bi women and trans men are hardly “privileged” in the cisheteropatriarchy, and are subject to similar phobias as lesbians since all oppression is linked. An individual’s coming out into their authentic identity is cause for celebration. Queer identity is often in flux; it is normal and healthy to reevaluate identity through multiple LGBTQ+ letters within a lifetime. No one owes their gender and sexual identity to feminism, nor do they have a choice in these identities; to dismiss an individual’s intelligence and demand otherwise is authoritarian bimisogynistic/transandrophobic conversion rhetoric. They will always be part of our community, even if they no longer identify with a certain subcategory. Lesbian community is smaller now because lesbianism by definition used to include more mspecs and genderqueers. Resources such as the “Lesbian Masterdoc” (whose very author now identifies as bi) are useful to some, but may cause others to not identify as lesbian if they face gatekeeping. Lesbian community can be grown by avoiding exclusion of those who are (or are dating) “excessively” mspec, fem, masc, or genderqueer folks.

⭐️ Cis women are biologically fragile and should be separated from everyone else in sports for their own safety and to avoid being dominated by trans women. Trans folks should have their own category. Scientifically, gender is one of the least logical ways to universally divide physical sport categories to maintain “fairness”, but the practice has held strong due to patriarchal stereotypes based on binary beliefs of biological sex (ignoring and invalidating intersex folks completely). Each sport requires a unique set of ideal physical characteristics. Cis women are statistically at least equally as capable as cis men in many sports. Currently, transfems who are allowed to play professionally in women’s sections have to pass strict physical exams that even cis women are not subjected to. Trans women statistically cannot dominate women’s sports. This line of exaggerated transphobia is dangerous as it aims to gatekeep normal human experiences from trans folks, especially trans kids.

⭐️ Gender-neutral bathrooms, and trans people in women’s bathrooms, are dangerous for cis women as this may invite predatory men. Gender-neutral bathrooms are not uncommon in global cultures, and public bathroom hypotheticals are a historical vehicle for bigotry, such as when bathrooms were segregated by race in the US. It is transphobic to misplace blame and police trans peoples’ existence for potential bigoted cis men.

⭐️ Trans sapphics are men in disguise trying to invade lesbian spaces. Trans lesbians encourage the idea that lesbians are also attracted to men. Real lesbians have a genital preference for vulvas, but trans sapphics decieve cis lesbians into dating them anyway. These are transmisogynistic and lesbophobic stereotypes. Trans women are women and are not responsible for the existence of any bigoted men. Transfems with penises are not interested in dating anyone who is not attracted to them; many lesbians also do not have a genital preference. While having a “type” is normal, publicly announcing and imposing it with no relevant context is body-shaming, and, in this case, transphobic, regardless of your personal internalised reasons. (You would not keep repeating how you wouldn’t date a fat person and no one else should either, because that would be fatphobic.) A good way to ensure lesbian community growth is to wholeheartedly accept transbians.

⭐️ Lesbians who have never been with men or someone with a penis are more queer and superior to those who have. “Gold-star gay” rhetoric is harmful to all queer and trans folks, and misogynistically implies a woman can be tainted by a penis. This is lesbophobic and transmisogynistic purity culture.

⭐️ Cis bi women with boyfriends are invading lesbian spaces. Bisexuals should create their own communities rather than invading gay and lesbian spaces. Bi women shouldn’t bring their boyfriends to Pride. This is generally a hypothetical issue, as the vast majority of in-person lesbian events and bars depend on attendance numbers to survive, and all sapphics, often along with friends and plus ones, are welcome regardless of their labels. The most important requirement is to be polite and present good allyship. Due to the nature of bisexuality, bisexuals have historically participated in gay and lesbian spaces as well as their own, and it is monosexist to demand their exclusion from a culture they were fully involved in building. Many bisexuals are in bi4bi M/F relationships, and their queer partners belong at Pride. Bisexuals should also bring their straight partners to Pride as LGBTQ+ community is small, and we need dedicated allies to show up for our movements.

⭐️ Bi women inevitably center men because their sexuality is inclusive of men. Bi women cannot love women the way lesbians do since only lesbians have fully decentered men, and it’s valid for lesbians to find it repulsive to date bi women who have been with men. WLW relationships are not by default more queer whenever the participants are exclusively lesbian, as bi women are not “tainted” by men; that would be a bimisogynistic purity culture stereotype again. Just like lesbians, bi women also have to unlearn compulsory heterosexuality, alongside additional monosexist androcentric stereotypes. Bi WLW demonstrate unique devotion by choosing sapphic love despite having other, more convenient options under patriarchy. WLW exist regardless of any alternate attractions, not in spite of them. There are many bi and straight women who happen to have men as partners but are well-involved in women’s and queer coalition, mutual aid and activism. On the other hand, there are lesbians whose activism consists of entirely hypothetical online identity discourse centering the exclusion of men, rather than focusing on building sapphic community.

⭐️ Most bi men are secretly gay and will never be satisfied with a cis girlfriend, it’s valid for women to be repelled by a man who has dated or has attraction towards other men. This is an androcentric biphobic stereotype and another manifestation of patriarchal purity culture. Many bi men identify as gay to avoid poor treatment, so the opposite is actually true. Bi men are not “tainted” by their relations with men, nor are they less masculine simply due to their sexuality.

⭐️ Bisexuality is a stepping stone to being gay and non-binary is a stepping stone to being a binary trans individual. This is based in monosexism, and the opposite is often true—gay men and lesbians often come out as fluid, and trans men and women often come out as non-binary. The creator of the lesbian masterdoc herself now identifies as bisexual.

⭐️ Validity discourse is a redundant non-issue distracting from real LGBTQ+ rights crises. Affirming the queerness and belonging of perceived liminal LGBTQ+ identities such as the bi+, aro/ace, and non-binary spectrums is crucial to preventing well-documented and life-threatening hardships faced by these groups. This is an important part of LGBTQ+ movement.

⭐️ Lesbians are always prioritising les4les because they are biphobic. Women are harder to date than men.* Like trans folks who feel most comfortable and understood in T4T relationships, lesbians are valid for seeking out les4les. Highly marginalised groups prioritising relationships with one another is not automatically a slight against outside identities. While monosexism is a real issue within the LGBTQ+ community, there are many women open to dating any sapphics. Sapphic dating under the patriarchy may be difficult, but it is a misogynystic stereotype to proclaim women are by default “higher maintenance” than men.

⭐️ Most lesbians are biphobic, most bi+ sapphics are lesbophobic, most trans men are transmisogynistic, most trans women are transandrophobic, and so on. Just like all humans, small fractions of LGBTQ+ subcommunities are very loudly phobic on the internet, amplified by algorithms that prefer rage bait. They often unknowingly adopting divisive radfem ideology with limited knowledge of queer history. Internet exclusionists are symptoms of wider issues, but are not representative of the real life vast majority of these groups, who are incredibly kind, empathetic, and inclusive.

⭐️ Everyone is a little bit bisexual.* This generalisation can especially lead to lesbophobic stereotypes. Monosexuals do exist, and this is disrespectful to the severe challenges lesbians withstand to realise their sexuality excludes men under the patriarchy’s compulsory heterosexuality. Self-identified queer folks should be wholeheartedly believed. Expressing suspicion towards an individuals’s identity is violating.

⭐️ Bisexuality is a TERF identity because it implies the existance of binary gender, and doesn’t include trans, genderqueer and non-binary folks. You should use “pansexual” or other terms instead. Bisexuality includes all genders, as the “bi” refers to “two or more genders”. The bi+ or multisexual spectrum contains many MOGAI identities, including pan. Every queer person should choose the term that they personally feel fits best.

⭐️ Kinks do not belong at Pride because no one consented to seeing public sex acts, it is offensive to folks on the asexual spectrum, and children will also be present. Public sex is not being performed at Pride. Some queer folks wear kink-representing outfits that are no more revealing than regular outdoor summer festival wear. Puritanical respectability politics based on exaggerated sexualization is a tool to erase LGBTQ+ folks from public life, by dividing and conquering one “bad” group at a time.

⭐️ Butchfemme culture historically belongs only to lesbians. Other identities should use masc/fem. Femme4femme and butch4butch are less queer than butchfemme. Butchfemme is not by default superior to other sapphic dynamics. Historical lesbian butchfemme identity and spaces were inclusive of all sapphics (including bisexuals) before lesbian separatism. Decades before that, butchfemme originated in ballroom culture that included BIPOC men-aligned queers. Bi+ sapphics can perform lesbian butchfemme, and all other LGBTQ+ identities can also use these terms.

⭐️ “Bi/pan/mspec lesbian” is a recently-invented label for invading lesbian spaces and stoking lesbophobia by validating to men that all lesbians are attracted to them. “Bi lesbians” do not exist. They are lesbian TERFs because they believe lesbians don’t include trans women in their attraction. Or they are bisexuals with internalised biphobia as they don’t believe in bi fluidity. Lesbian identity is exclusive and can never be used by those who are mspec. “Bi sapphic” should be used instead. “Bi lesbian” is one of many valid LGBTQ+ labels that may appear complex, contradictory, or trivial. Statistically, a portion of lesbian-identifying women are mspec; bi lesbians make this part of their own identity explicit but do not intend to establish or imply that all lesbians are mspec, as it is lesbophobic to impose attraction to men on lesbians. However, it also remains bimisogynystic to hold queer women’s identities (such as “bi lesbian”) responsible for the potential bigotry from men. Before the establishment of political lesbianism (by mainly cishet white women), “lesbian”, was a universal umbrella term for all sapphics rather than an exclusive label. It functioned similarly to the word “gay”, which can refer to an exclusively gay man, but can be used by anyone. “Bi lesbian” is a historically significant identity that emerged as resistance to the destructive effects of separatism on lesbian community. Prominent activists identified explicitly as bisexual lesbian to take pride in their bisexuality when purity culture-based bimisogynistic monosexism was rife in the community. There are many valid reasons one may identify as a bi lesbian today, including limited non-actionable attraction to men, affirming trans/genderqueer identity (of the self and/or partner), or intimate connection to lesbian sexuality, gender, community, history, movement and lifestyle. While most contemporary bi+ sapphics choose to no longer identify as lesbians, they are not obligated to surrender lesbian terminology to radfem ideology; mspec sapphics have a right to lay claim to lesbian culture and identity, which they have equally partaken in for all history.

⭐️ Second-wave radical feminism isn’t bad because it actually did include BIPOC. Second-wave feminism was a complex, white-dominated movement that ultimately died due to its divisive and exclusionary ideology. There were many oft-erased marginalized BIPOC second-wave feminist voices, including queer Black women who favored intersectionality/inclusion and wrote excellent texts about it; for example, Bell Hooks critiqued the pervasive harmful rhetoric within the movement.

⭐️ LGBTQ+ identities are meant to be exclusive, with orderly definitions that are essential for meaningfully gaining relevant rights for each subcommunity. We reserve the right to correct or ignore people who misuse labels. Preserving lesbian spaces for monosexual lesbians only will achieve the eradication lesbophobia under patriarchy. LGBTQ+ identities have historically been based in complex shared experiences by multifacted individuals. For example, historical lesbian spaces were comprised of bi+ women, genderqueer and non binary folks, trans women, and trans men alongside exclusive cis lesbians. Imposing a queer person with labels they do not identify with is violating. Labels (and identities) are not definitive categories, and are meant for individual comfort and communication with no assigned “right” and “wrong” usage. The only “misuse” would be by a bigot specifically using a label to harm the subgroup, which is an arbitrary hypothetical. Safe spaces for minoritized groups with similar experiences, backgrounds and identities are important for recuperation and rehabilitation, but overall separatism is to the detriment to LGBTQ+ survival. The community at large is minoritised, and subgroups alone do not have a loud enough voice or visibility within the patriarchy. Historically, surviving queer spaces have welcomed all to even label-specific events.

Queerness is in opposition to patriarchy, which limits individuals in divisive assigned roles and separated classes. Queerness, by definition, is messy, complicated, and a celebration of unique individual agency. Movement cannot be sustainably achieved without intersectional inclusion and coalition—alongside those you do not relate to, and even those you may not agree with on all politics. This may require you to step out of your comfort zone, but that’s okay!

*not necessarily radfem rhetoric but still important!

Questions? Please read my sources! :)

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Disclaimer: I am a cis demisexual, bisexual femme WLW of colour. Colonialism has erased historical sapphic cultures in many countries, including my own. As the US has established cultural dominance, my understanding is based off western texts and studies. LGBTQ+ experiences are diverse, but we also reproduce patterns of existence and resistance globally, even without historical context. Unfortunately, this includes our mistakes, like succumbing to divisive rhetoric. Thanks for reading and kind suggestions & corrections are appreciated! :)

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DRAGONQUEER/DRAGONPUNK

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LINK TO THE OFFICIAL DRAGONQUEER/DRAGONPUNK CARRD

A new label! Dragonqueer/dragonpunk (either name works, same thing!) is a queer stance about not being afraid to show how prideful you are about yourself, not being afraid to show yourself, or at least have a desire to want to express how you TRULY are and give the bird to the societal norm standards and those that hate you, existing to spite them; dragonqueer/dragonpunk beings can still live in caves (be closeted) too, however. A major aspect to dragonqueer/dragonpunk is also hoarding a shit ton of labels that describe yourself! Dragons love their hoards :) 

Due to history of dragons, they are seen as either evil and terrifying or benevolent and kind. Dragonqueer/dragonpunk aims to be both; be punk, be scary, be yourself, be unforgiving for who you are while also being a kind-hearted and loving being. There are dragons of all kind; western, easter, wyverns, wyrms, hydras, and so there is too in queer communities. Whichever kind of dragon you are is completely up to you, and you alone; you decide who you are. 

Dragonqueer/dragonpunk supports/believes…

LGBTQ+, MOGAI, LIOM, etc.

Xenogenders, neopronouns, etc.

Neoagabs/xenoagabs

Good-faith labels

Systems of all origins

Arissomei, desirdae, chronosians, aldernic, aldersex, allions, vesil, vior, xenonatured, eiment, etc.

Otherkin, therians, non-humans, alterhumans, etc.

Neurodivergent, mentally ill, disabled beings

Beings with munchausen's syndrome, factitious disorders, etc.

Hypersexuals 

Gender hoarders / gender collectors 

Multigender / polygender / etc.

Safe and anti-contact paraphiles (not acting on illegal shit??? This should make sense.. If its harmful. Dont act on it.)

Microlabels

Atypical dysphoria

PLUR

M-spec lesboys, turigirls, etc.

Contradictory labels

Systemarchy 

Pluralpunk/systempunk

Furries

Age/pet regressors

MAD pride

Reclaiming labels you can reclaim (queer, dyke, fag, freak, etc.)

Anti-psychiatry

Being endogenic/willogenic is not the same thing as being “transplural”

Educated self-diagnosis

Fiction affects reality

You can be trans without dysphoria

You can be a system without trauma

OC x canon is epic as long as its legal

Objectum and robosexuals

Supporting ex-cops, ex-gov, ex-military, ex-radqueers, ex-transids, etc. that have left their community and wish to recover

Abortion rights, womens rights, animal rights, etc.

Atheism

Kink at pride (when there are no bodily minors)

BDSM (as long as everyone consents and there are no bodily minors)

recovering/ex-religious beings

Consentual recovery for those that want it 

Supporting victims 

Dragonqueer/dragonpunk does NOT support/believe...

Harmful and pro-contact / neu-contact zoophiles, pedophiles, necrophiles, etc. (yet again if its harmful dont fucking do it)

Minors in nsfw communities, minors in kink, or having public kink where minors are around

That “all men should die” or “all women should die”

Harassing innocent cishets

Active radqueers and transids/transx

Terf, radfem, transmed, sysmed, etc. views

Harmful religion

Demonizing or stigmatizing disorders

Singlets in syscourse

“Superstraight”

Heavy political views, such as conservative and liberal

Proshippers, comshippers, darkshippers, etc. (how hard is it to say no illegal, abusive, etc. ships holy shit)

Lolicons and shotas

Racism or prejudice of ANY kind

Ableism

Forced recovery

Mental asylums

Exclusionists

Bigots

Dragonqueer/dragonpunk is neutral on...

Religion in general (dragonqueer/dragonpunk is inherently atheist)

catqueer

THIS IS THE OFFICIAL DRAGONQUEER/DRAGONPUNK. PEOPLE THAT WANT TO "RECLAIM" THIS LABEL WILL BE FACED WITH FIRE !!!

@ghosting-plural-userboxes thought you'd wanna see this, just comment if you want us to remove your tag from this post ^-^