#tell me again how all israelis are pro-genocide

[shu-of-the-wind]

The pair are part of Mesarvot, a growing refusenik network within Israel of teenagers and former dissenters supporting each other as they refuse to serve in the Israeli military.

[...]

The refuseniks are not alone in their opposition, nor in the treatment they face. Throughout the war, Israelis have taken to the streets of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem to protest the war and Netanyahu’s government. This past week, Israeli police arrested and beat protesters and hostage family members calling for an end to the war, just the latest example of Israelis being punished for voicing dissent or sympathy with the people of Gaza.

While the U.S. paused one shipment of weapons out of concerns over the Rafah operation, the refuseniks are calling for a ceasefire. “Biden’s announcement that he will not deliver offensive weapons to Israel for its Rafah campaign is a positive development, but it is not enough,”a spokesperson for Mesarvot told The Intercept. “By using the leverage of arms transfer, the President can force Israel not only to downscale its Rafah offensive but to actually reach a Hostage/ceasefire deal with Hamas that will end the war. This is within reach and is in the best interest of Israeli society, just as it is in the interest of the Palestinians in Gaza and elsewhere.”

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please tell me you guys watched that video Noah Schnapp put out trying to backtrack and save his pathetic career. Please listen very carefully to the language and words he uses. He's choosing his wording VERY carefully in order to save his career and try to pacify those who support Palestine without actually denouncing genocide or zionism. "I feel my thoughts and beliefs have been so far misconstrued..." babe you were yelling from ig post to ig post about being pro israel, calling Palestinians terrorists, and being a proud zionist. How has that been misconstrued?? "I only want peace and safety and security for all innocent people affected by this conflict" He makes sure to use the qualifier 'innocent' several times in the video when referring to Palestinians, victims of a genocide not a conflict. But as we know, zionists don't see Palestinians as innocent so who is he talking about? This kind of tentative language helps him try to appear like he actually cares about Palestine while still condemning hamas without addressing the actual root of the issue—israel and the IOF. "We all hope for the same things..." Do we? You're a zionist. Zionism is settler colonialism and based in white supremacy. Please be more specific on what you hope for. "...That being, those innocent people being held hostage in Gaza be returned to their families. And equally hope for an end to the loss of innocent life in Palestine..." Zionists LOVE to go on and on about the hostages without mentioning the very real danger those hostages face from israel and the IOF bombs themselves. Israel is carpet bombing Palestine indiscriminately when they very much have the tech to make extremely detailed and targeted attacks. Did you see the way they targeted the specific apartment unit in Lebanon? In Gaza they're wiping out whole city blocks. Israel and the IOF don't actually care about the hostages. If they did they wouldn't be razing Gaza and boasting about their plans to use the land for beach condos. If israel and the IOF actually cared about israelis, why are they basically using the Hannibal Directive? Especially at the music festival on October 7th where the IOF killed a number of their own civilians. If israel cared about the hostages, why aren't they willing to release the hundreds of Palestinian hostages they have who are being jailed illegally and without charges? 'oh but they did! They released some during the pause so they could get hamas to release some israeli hostages' yeah and then the IOF rounded up and captured more Palestinians than they released that very same day. "...I think anyone with any ounce of humanity would hope for an end to the hostility on both sides. I stand against any killing of any innocent people" Once again with the manipulative qualifiers 'both sides' and 'innocent people'. How can you expect an occupied people who have been living through apartheid and genocide for 75 years to not eventually fight back? To not understand why October 7th happened you have to be either completely uneducated about even the most basic history of Palestine and/or so deeply entrenched in propaganda and denial that it doesn't even matter if you do know about the history because you truly believe you deserve an ethnostate on a piece of land that has inhabited several diverse groups over thousands of years. It was never a land of 1 singular homogeneous group. To want it to be that, is actually insane.

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Ok I'm not a copypasta person unless it's memes but like. Look I'm not Palestinian but I'm also a Southwest Asian and my mental health has definitely deteriorated seeing just. Everything. Especially the increase in racism and islamophobia (I'm also muslim) and seeing all the hate crimes and knowing that someone could probably shoot me in the head while I'm writing gay fanfiction in public and justify it by saying that I could've been a dangerous terrorist and therefore my entire family tree must be eradicated-

basically what I'm trying to say is that I'm hoping that making this post on the himbo tourney blog will get some eyes on this. Like. I've been feeling really powerless about this and kinda just like shriveling up and dying lately. Tbh. The world is fxcked right now. In the year of our lord 2024 /ref, here we are post undertale we are being pro-genocide how funny is that haha. It's not funny. It's. It's not. It's not funny . I can't. I've seen too many videos of children dying and crying and I just. I saw the one thing about the kid with cerebral palsy whose parents got shot right in front of them for literally no reason and then they got yelled at by soldiers and like. People literally will look at this and call these people animals?? I saw that term get thrown around a lot. It's just disgusting and like.

have people seen the bingo the literal genocide bingo. People are treating this like a joke like. Do people not realize that Southwest Asian people are like... people??? We're people you know. Like this is mainly targeting Arabs but I've seen stuff about people discriminating against the rest of us too (mainly because they can't tell the difference. Because the idea of not treating Asian cultures as interchangeable applies until you get to Southwest Asia I guess even in progressive circles everyone just says Arab for everything even here I've seen people like-). I'm Persian and I'm still scared someone will cut my life off. I'm 16. Nowruz is next week and I just want to live to it with my family. My mind is inundated wit the tears of the families that had never gotten to have their celebrations. Because of one group on one day.

one group on one day. One group on one day. it's always that. it's always that for people like us.I feel like I'm going insane. It's just 9/11 in America all over again. I wasn't even born for that. But you can just feel it all around you. And now we have the sequel, across the world. But it's used the same way. 7/23. Can't wait for the memes /s. This one thing happens therefore we can dedicate multiple months to killing all of you just making you suffer stripping your dignity you don't deserve anything and we'll make the world hate you because fxck you and then the world goes along with it because nothing good ever happens and I just want to escape from this but every time I go on tumblr it's just this and I know if I ever stop seeing this it means that the worst has happened anyway

and then people try to act like YOU'RE the bigot because you're trying to hold a country's government and military force responsible for war crimes just because the country has its branding in minority groups. How about I make this crystal clear: I don't give a flying fxck about what Israel is, it's what it's doing that matters. I'd be saying nearly the same shzt if they were PERSIAN, and that is MY ETHNICITY. I literally do not care. It doesn't matter. Because killing people is wrong and that should not be a controversial statement but I guess some people like the sound of screams in the morning. The Palestinian death toll has surpassed the 7/23 death toll. And it's still going. And not all the deaths have even been accounted for because bodies are still buried under rubble. Because they're still bombing people and they won't stop. And no one will make them stop.

like I don't give a fxck about Hamas either, I heard some of the members did genuinely say some like directly quoted antisemitic shzt and also they like condoned a racist caricature of a black woman in a magazine I think but I'm not sure about the second one (I know the magazine thing definitely happened but I'm not sure of their like involvement at all-) like. I don't need to suck there dzcks like some people do it's one group of fxcks like I don't. They're just the excuse being used for this. You're bombing the entire population of a country where the majority population is fzcking tater tots. You're attacking children. You are killing children. Paint yourself purple. Dammit. Just. Again it's 9/11 all over again but in another country.

even then like it's like. You know that trope in cartoons that shows up more often than you'd think that was in like Avatar and Korra and RWBY I think where there's like a fictional minority that is oppressed and wants rights and then active protest is represented by an evil terrorist group who attacks people and is the villains of the media and passive protest is always portrayed as good and active protest is evil and there's no nuance and also they just frame the group as just like evil spawned out of nowhere not addressing that they literally would not exist if not for the truly evil system of oppression that basically created them. Like.

You know Hamas only exists because Palestinians were already treated like shzt right? Like they were already displaced and didn't consent to the whole Israel thing and like look up Nakba it's fzcking awful like. Hamas is just a symptom of the disease and there will just be another Hamas if you try to knock it down without actually like. Doing anything about. the fact that Palestinians are oppressed. but people will just act like you can keep punching at Hamas like that'll result in anything like they're the flowers not the roots y'know-

also I'm calling it here, this entire thing is gonna definitely be used down the line by Neo-nazis I mean it kinda already is being used to justify antisemitism but like I saw the stuff of people trying to redefine antisemitism to be synonymous with antizionism and make isrseli and jewish synonymous and to basically gatekeep jewishness from anti-zionist jews (I'm not kidding I actually saw shzt like that) and it's like. Y'all they're gonna turn around in a year or two like "ohhh look at the big bad scary jews- I mean Israelis their identity is literally tied to the genocide of Palestinians they are inherently evil there is no denying it!" (Ignoring the fact that the USA and other bastards of colonization did the same shzt as Israel literally the same story history is repeating itself but we have social media brands this time-). And then like what the fxck do you do about it when the word antisemitic now means anticolonialist so no one takes it seriously anymore. What the fxck are you supposed to do about that. And when they probably made themselves right because they probably contributed to Palestinian Genocide themselves they don't care they're just using them as props in their fxcking jew hatred. But like. Yeah you are now tied to this nationality that is tied to fxcking genocide what do you do? It's like perfect to use for fearmongering around Jewish people since the shzt they used before somehow worked despite literally being pulled out of their xss istg like where the fxck did any of the bank stuff come from like. The fzck?-

im tired. I'm so tired. Both in the literal "It's past 1am" sense and the less literal "make the stop" sense.

I just don't want people to die. I just want people to be happy. I just want people to not suffer but every day it feels like it's getting worse and I just want something to change for the better and I'm scared. Why do people act like it's a bad thing to not want people to suffer? I don't understand. I just. I just don't understand. I. am I naive? For this?

does this wish make me naive?

[fuckyeah-bears]

to the person sending me hateful anon messages, reporting me, and trying to remove the posts i've reblogged that palestinian people themselves are sharing because they want the world to see the despicable cruelties israel is doing to them,

i pity you for your misguided rage. i am not the problem in this situation. i am not responsible for israel committing genocide. if you are upset by these images and the things being done, i implore you to take action against israel. i implore you to take action against your government and demand that they pressure israel in any and every means necessary to stop committing this violence. i implore you to boycott products and companies that are funding and supporting israel's genocide and colonialist settler economy. i implore you to direct your anger and hatred at the people and governments actually responsible for the beyond upsetting content you are seeing.

i do not deny this is disgusting upsetting content. and i am so sorry that it is triggering emotions and memories and pain for you. i genuinely genuinely am. but you need to understand that shouting at me and other people sharing this content specifically to raise awareness for the crimes israel (and almost every single western government and media channel) is, as we speak, actively trying to downplay, sanitize, erase, misrepresent, and deny, is so misguided and counterproductive.

i in no way speak for the people of palestine, but from the countless videos and messages i have seen and heard from them, many have given up on the world actually doing anything to stop the horrors being done to them. they have given up hoping for a world that has never cared about them or their suffering, that has completely and utterly abandoned them, to suddenly change and force israel to stop. i have heard and seen so many people in gaza say that they want their suffering and lives to be remembered and seen. they want it to be recorded so we can bear witness to what is being done to them. so maybe one day the world will remember that they were human beings who were brutalized and massacred by an uncaring cruel regime and abandoned by an uncaring cruel world.

obviously this is not the stance of all palestinians, nor all people of gaza, but i am sharing the videos and content they themselves are recording and sharing in the hopes it can do something to help, however small, if only by bearing witness to their pain and suffering and making sure they are not dying alone without anyone in the outside world grieving for them. i am hoping it can motivate people to action.

i also want you to know that i take absolutely zero pleasure in this. i find this content utterly horrific and beyond disturbing. it sickens me and i want nothing more than for this violence to stop. but i can't look away. because looking away and pretending it's not happening, or sanitizing just how disgustingly cruel and inhumane the israeli government is would be despicable cowardice and yet another betrayal to the people of palestine.

i also want to emphasize to everyone that sharing videos and photos and posts on social media is by no means anywhere near enough. it is something, absolutely, but you need to do more. we all need to do more. if you profess to care at all about palestinian people and their suffering, you need to do everything in your power to help.

so here's what you, as people who care about palestinians can do:

unless directly asked not to by the people of gaza, keep sharing their videos, photos, posts, and stories.

talk to the people around you, especially the ones who are either not following what's going on or have been brainwashed by the biased pro-israel propaganda.

write to your government leaders and elected officials and anyone else who holds a position of power. email them and call them and tell them to take action. tell them to demand a ceasefire. tell them to condemn israel. tell them to stop funding israel. keep calling them again and again.

publicly call out and shame your elected/government leaders for their hypocrisy and bias

write op-eds or blog posts or newspaper articles for any media outlet explaining what's going on and telling people to take action

counter and speak out against toxic pro-israeli narratives that dehumanize palestinians

attend protests and rallies in support of palestine near you

attend protests and rallies trying to shut down weapons manufacturers that are making the weapons that are being sent to israel (i will share more information on this in another post)

follow palestinian accounts on social media and accounts that are reporting on the truth (i will make a separate post with a list of accounts people can follow)

write to your institutions like universities, colleges, etc. and demand they release statements in support of palestine

donate to reputable relief orgs (i will make a separate post with more info later)

read up on the BDS (Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions) movement and loudly boycott companies that support or fund israel. tell other people to boycott those same companies. boycott all israeli companies and products.

educate yourself and others around you on the history of palestine and the israeli occupation and oppression

do not be silent!

if anyone has more things people can do to help, please please add to this list.

so once again, feeling angry is a good thing. if you are not spitting furious and utterly sickened and disgusted by what israel is doing to palestine and her people and the fact that so many of our countries and leaders and media outlets are actively supporting israel's despicable war crimes, then you are not fully human. you should be angry. you should be furious. you should be sickened. but please turn that rage and fury and grief and disgust into something productive that has a chance of helping end this violence and suffering. turn your rage and fury and grief and disgust to the people and institutions responsible for this, not the people trying to stand by the people of palestine and do everything they can to stop this horrific genocide.

Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[fluxphage]

temporarily back to shut off anons. I have gotten over 30+ extremely violent anons threatening to kill me, rape me, telling me to kill myself, all because someone accused me falsely of being a Zionist.

it is fucking disturbing how y'all are acting. Again, I'm not a Zionist- just a Jewish person with some Israeli heritage. I do peace work, I raise money for the PCRF, I fucking hate Bibi and his fascist cronies- I am not a Zionist. Hell, I'm not really for *any* country existing, why the fuck would I specifically believe in Israel? This has been a specific attack towards me for being Jewish, and for having different fucking fandom opinions on the most inane bullshit. Pretty sure the person attacking me with this shit thinks I sent those anons- I did not. I don't give a shit about their fandom shit, I really don't. Like whoever you like, I can just block you if it's an issue. In addition, I was informed a former friend of mine is accusing me of 'branding them a neo nazi and driving them out of the community' when neither of those things happened. I have zero power to drive anybody out of any community- if this person was removed from any spaces, it's because of their own behavior. They seem to be active in the D2 community anyways, so I don't know how they were 'driven out' ?... I'm probably going to be off Tumblr for a while more. I had an extremely hard time of things, especially after getting that sheer amount of violent anon hate. And no, me being harassed and having a reaction to it was not 'emotional manipulation i have a track record of', you're just cruel.

To wrap all this shit up- Calling a Jewish person pro-rape and pro-genocide over fucking Destiny is deeply deeply disturbing. I did not miss how I was specifically called 'a Jew' the whole time either.

I'm calling on anyone who spread this libel about me to take it down, as you are directly contributing to harassment against me and other Jewish people in the Destiny fandom. You are actively making this fandom an unsafe space for Jewish people. Calling the Cabal a cutesy name in the name of 'antisemitism' while harassing Jewish people you don't agree with is the peak of performative.

[jewishbarbies]

It gets worse: Yuval even apologised to the Jew hater and people still hate him. Why? Maybe they need him to post antisemitic conspiracy theories on Reddit and then set himself on fire 🙃

Also these are some of the requirements gentiles have for Jews which Yuval "failed to adhere to":

1) You must think Israel needs to stop existing as a country (Yuval is Israeli and has family in Israel so immediately failed)

2) You must deny Jewish indigeneity to the land (I don't believe Yuval ever spoke about this)

3) You must constantly make Zionist/Nazi comparisons and talk about "Holocaust Exceptionalism" (Again don't think Yuval ever did this but I could be wrong idk.)

4) You must deny the increase in antisemitism and never talk about antisemitism ever (Yuval is confronting the antisemitism he is witnessing which is the reason why everyone's so mad. There is no antisemitism in Pro Palestine spaces or even in general silly and if you think otherwise, you're OBVIOUSLY an EVIL GENOCIDAL ZIONIST NAZI KILLER. All or almost all Anti Zionist Jews are saying there is no antisemitism so if you don't say the same thing, you'll get called a Zionist).

There's many more but these are the ones off the top of my head.

I saw that. made the mistake of checking the comments and all but ruined my morning. he worded it so well, and I can understand why he’d feel the need to apologize for how what he said was interpreted by some people, but it was the fact that he doubled down and said what she said was still wrong regardless that really pissed people off, it seems. like, it wasn’t the phrasing, it was you. the statistics on holocaust education in this country disprove her without needed to lift a finger. the fact she’s still sticking with it is. so telling.

where we’re at right now with this societally is just mind boggling to me. I know all the reasons why, I know how it happened and all that, but I just can’t wrap my head around it on an irl level. like, these people aren’t just on our phones and computers. they’re real life people walking around living in the same world I am with this disgusting mindset. I can’t imagine ever thinking about anyone the things they say out loud about jews.

[scarz-xo]

Israel Death Toll

Let me tell you about my day, after all I get told by my friends that I'm a great story teller, today I went by my day looking through posts about the genocide, googling resources for future posts & dealing with harassment in the replies to my blogs as always.

One of the funny replies was that I was "spreading Hamas propaganda" only cause I'm talking about Palestine and not Israel, another one was "you're demonising Israel" for the same reason, but those will be discussed in a later post when I have the time to gather those crazy replies, but throughout the day one person's comments stuck by my mind throughout the day and you know why?

Cause that person kept on repeating the number 1400, now you gonna ask: what does that number even mean?

So here are the comments & for the little bit of decency I still have regarding with dealing with those people I'll hide the account:

It's funny ain't it?

How even though Palestine documents deaths day by day, family lines getting removed from history forever yet all we know is 10k+ deaths, we still don't have a certain number for real yet Israel has "1400 civilians dead" according to that person who I told her every little thing she told me got debunked.

Well guess what Gabby, I'm debunking your death toll too & oh I'm not debunking it using middle eastern lies or "Hamas propaganda" no no no, I'm using CNN, enjoy it baby:

Oh and since you love links so much & telling me that a single Google search would show me your casualties, I will save you the Google search and here's the link honey:

Now let me repeat it one last time, this is a pro-palestinian blog, don't come near it if you're on the other side, I won't tolerate you or whatever you wanna spread over here, you wanna write about Israel, write about it cause I won't so don't come at me for it cause as I said & I repeat again:

From the river to the sea Palestine will be free.🇵🇸🍉

[mithliya]

Don't be a pendant and a hypocrite. On the one hand you always accuse Israelis of being Europeans (European Jews who lost two thirds of their population) and now you are pretending Israelis (almost 75% Jewish) were affected by holocaust is a lie. And if you are going to deflect by pointing out that Israel has unequal wealth distribution (like literally every other country in the world) to criticize Israel, meanwhile Hamas has a revenue of hundreds of millions of dollars and their leaders are billionaires yet Gazans rot in poverty. And there's a difference between Israel attacking Hamas targets hiding among civilians too take them out vs Hamas attacking Israeli civilians because they want to genocide the Jewish population. You don't understand the difference between war and genocide and everytime someone points out the double standards you tokenize a few Jews to keep doing the hypocrisy.

i wrote a whole thing but tumblr glitched out and honestly someone as dishonest as u doesnt deserve my time so let me summarise

true: israel was formed by european jewish people, and zionism is a european ideology.

false: israel was formed by holocaust survivours

also false: zionism was formed by holocaust survivours

also false: zionism was an ideology that came as a result of the holocaust

true: there are holocaust survivours & their descendants who live in israel today

false: the holocaust was an attack on israelis, a group of people who didnt even exist when the holocaust was ongoing

true: a huge percentage of the european jewish community was killed in a genocide (the holocaust)

false: a huge percentage of the israeli population, who again didnt exist as an entity during the holocaust, were killed in a genocide.

to anyone with two brain cells to rub together, theres an obvious distinction between claiming israel lost 2/3rds of its population to the holocaust and claiming european jewish people, many of whom are not israeli, lost 2/3rds of their population to the holocaust. the former is intentionally misrepresenting history to justify an ongoing genocide, the latter is the reality of the situation.

when you can only justify israel by pointing at hamas, then you’ve already lost. i already oppose hamas, so your counterargument doesnt work. if the bar is so low that you can only justify yourself by pointing to an extremist islamist group then perhaps you already know how morally decrepit you & your genocidal movement are. dismissing the same holocaust survivours you pretend to care for by saying its mere “income inequality” that 1/3rd of holocaust survivours in israel are impoverished shows exactly how much you care about holocaust survivours. its beyond sick using survivours of a genocide to justify another genocide, while proving that you actually dont care for those survivours to begin with.

hamas didnt exist when israel raped and massacred and expelled palestinians in 1948. it doesnt exist in the west bank, where thousands of palestinians were kidnapped & 100s killed & thousands displaced due to settler violence that is backed by the IDF. israel choosing to attack UN buildings, schools, residential buildings, hospitals, and the same “safe routes” they tell palestinians to do to with no attempts to minimise civilian casualties isnt somehow justifiable when you pretend its all done to get hamas. israel killing palestinians and injuring many more in 2018 when palestinians protested peacefully cant be justified by hamas. starving all of gaza and withholding water & fuel & electricity cant be justified by hamas. several israeli politicians outright calling for the genocide of palestinians in gaza isnt somehow justified bc of hamas.

“few jews” please keep pretending like jewish people are all pro-genocide and occupation while pretending like im the unreasonable one here.

people like you who justify genocide in the face of this much evidence are monsters, plain & simple. you are disgusting.

[avian-misdemeanors]

Hello!

I’m a non-Jew going to pride soon. I’m worried about potential antisemitism I might see there especially in the form of radical pro-Hamas people disguising themselves as “pro-Palestine.”

What do you think is a way I could help or show support in the face of that? I’m anxious about seeming just as performative as them, and also selfishly anxious about being put under scrutiny and hatred. I hope that this doesn’t come across in any bad ways. I want to show support as much as possible, I’m just not sure HOW.

I’m thinking of maybe getting a pin? But again, I’m very selfishly afraid. How are you so brave? How are you able to stand up for others without fear?

Anyways, I again hope that none of this is offensive in any way. I just saw your poll and wanted to ask, it’s been on my mind. I want Jews (ALL Jews — including Zionist and Israeli Jews, I’m sure to the HORROR of the “pro-Palestine” sheep) to know they’re safe with me, because safe places and people for Jews seem so fucking stupidly limited these days, or restricted at best.

I hope you’re doing as well as you can. Happy pride! You’re not alone. 🏳️‍🌈✡️💙

Shalom!

First of all thanks for your message. Allyship from non-Jews is incredibly important and meaningful, so thank you for putting yourself out there for us.

Secondly, I want to just take a moment to clarify that while many in the Pro-Pal movement are just in it to hate Jews, advocacy for the safety, dignity, and freedom of the Palestinian people is absolutely a worthy cause. The Palestinian people are not our enemies. That'd be Hamas, Hezbollah, IR, etc. Despite what many non-Jews claim, Zionism is not actually an ideology of conquest and genocide. That would be kahanism. Most Zionists are very happy with the idea of a Two State Solution, and peace with the Palestinians. I'm not Israeli so I can't speak for them, but from Israelis I know and talk to, that's the case for most of them as well.

As for how to show your support for Jews, and how to be an ally, I think your best bet is to ask as many Jews as possible what would be the best way to support us. Talk to us, learn to know us, ask us about our history and traditions and culture. Make Jewish friends. Invite them to your home. Play games with them. Be their friend. I hate that I can't give you a clear and straight answer here, but really being friends with Jewish people is step 0 to allyship.

Allyship at Pride events, however, can take many forms. You might need to just walk next to your Jewish friends so they know they're not alone, you might need to physically intervene if, say, someone tries to steal their kippah or pride flag with a Magen David on it.

Ask the Jewish people you're going to Pride with how to make them feel safe; odds are they'll tell you much more clearly than I can. We're human, and we all have different needs and wants. I wish there was universal advice I could give you. I wish I could think of a clear visual signifier you could wear that would tell Jews that you're an ally.

Befriend some Jewish people, learn from them how to make them feel safe. And make it clear to them that any space you inhabit is a space that's safe for them. Make sure they know you won't abandon them when being an ally to Jews becomes risky or unpopular, and it absolutely will. That's something you have to accept if you're going to stand beside us; the world may come to hate you as much as it hates us, as it has for 2,000 years.

I wish I had better answers for you, I really do. It's so special and rare for someone to come to my people and says "how can I help?"

I have someone in my life who used to be a hardcore antisemite; she unlearned a lot of propaganda and has become one of the allies I trust most. Maybe I'll see what she thinks. Maybe she'd be willing to anonymously drop some clearer advice in your askbox.

So yeah. Befriend Jews. Talk to Jews. Listen and learn. Follow Jews on Tumblr. Bring Jews into your social circles and make sure they know they're welcome. Interrogate the cultural Jew-hate that you may have subconsciously internalized by the culture you were raised in (literally everyone raised anywhere in Western culture is affected by this, it sucks and it's hard to untangle but it's possible and it's like lifting a fucking blindfold).

Read books by Jews too (I would start with People Love Dead Jews, by Dara Horn.). Learn about the Jews who have invented things you use or created art you love. Learn about the impacts Jews have had on your life, learn to love the Jews in your life, and learn about them, learn about our history and art and culture. That's at least a good place to start for allyship.

As for how are we so brave...

We are brave because we have no choice.

Thank you so much for your question, feel free to DM if you want to learn or talk more. Happy Pride 🌈✡️💙

[clarabosswald]

If you really did want to help Palestine, you wouldn't be advocating for Israel.

Its not about the few good people in Israel. It's about the fucking genocide.

okay, it's taken a while but we've finally reached an ask that's not completely deranged. so i'm gonna answer this with good faith.

i'm gonna start with one idea - the separation of the israeli government from the israeli people. did the people of israel choose rightwing governments again and again, that have all led to the occupation and murder or palestinians? yes, because, as per democracy, different parties got enough seats to form those governments. but to claim that all millions of israelis (including israeli-arabs - muslims, christians, druze, beduin) have all, 100%, supported everything those governments ever did, is... a really crass misrepresentation of what democracy is. like, the very very basic and simple concept of democracy. you're ignoring the simple fact that it's never 100% of citizens who vote in every election. you're ignoring the hundreds of thousands of children and teenagers who don't get to vote. and, of course, you're branding all the people who did not vote for those governments as meaningless.

tell me, when bush was the american president, did 100% of all americans want to see afghanistan eradicated? when trump was the american president, did 100% of all americans want to expel all immigrants? when PiS held the majority in poland, did 100% of polish people want poland to become an "lgbt+-free zone"? did 100% of brazilians agree with bolsonaro that the amazon rainforest should be leveled? i could go on.

it's an insane double standard.

so when you say i'm "advocating for israel" you mean i'm advocating for its government, which i'm not. i'm advocating for the people - millions of lives - because i hold this silly idea that human lives are priceless and should always be protected.

it's the same reason why, outside of tumblr (because one internet blog doesn't reflect my whole life), in my own real life, i advocate for palestinian lives.

because you know what israeli nutjobs are saying?

they're saying that the residents of the gaza strip - all 2 million plus of them - are measured by hamas' actions. their government.

does it matter that the last elections were over 15 years ago? does it matter that the overwhelming majority of gaza's current population were too young to vote then/weren't even born back then? does it matter that hamas took the government power by force, and have led an authoritarian regime in the strip ever since? no, to those people, it doesn't matter. to them, all palestinians are hamas.

just like how to you, all israelis are the government.

it is absolutely surreal how much these two extremist groups are mirroring one another - the pro-hamas bunch and the pro-jewish supremacy bunch. using the exact same vocabulary. the exact same justifications. the exact same justification to minimize and trivialize the lives and values of millions of people. "their leaders are like that, so they're all like that, and they all deserve to suffer and die."

so yeah, it is about the """"few"""" good people in israel (sorry the number isn't high enough for you, it's hard gauging exactly how many humans are "enough"). just as it is about the """"few"""" good people in palestine (as i keep saying on israeli platforms to the people who trivialize palestinian lives).

people don't mean nothing. no one will ever convince me of that.

[researchgate]

I don't want to go into too much detail about the protests, but there were celebrations right after the attack where there were people distributing sweets in the streets, a graffiti on a remainder of the Berlin wall saying "kill Juden" (yes with mixed languages) and swastikas. It's sickening. It's as if you took a twitter cesspool and dumped it on the streets. A TV station interviewed people on the streets and one was so "verfassungsfeindlich" (anticonstitutional) the police are investigating the interviewee. It is so clear that the foremost thought of these people is just plain antisemitism.

gosh, this is vile, and honestly reminds me of Hamas's own actions after terrorists killed Israelis even before Saturday, this is also the Hezbollah modus operandi, it links enemy (in this case israeli, mostly Jewish) deaths with a celebration, thus as something positive, something desirable. This is classic conditioning.

However, apart from the conditioning is the actual act of celebration itself, which in these particular cases is antisemitic as it celebrates the majority-Jewish deaths, and the brutalization, rape, desecration, and parading of Jewish people, showing the world how happy it makes them to see all that suffering.

It's as if you took a twitter cesspool and dumped it on the streets.

This is what i meant by saying the keyboard warriors don't just spew their hatred online, but also are real life people acting on their opinions in real life. In Ghaza, they'd be among those celebrating in the streets, among the Hamas supportes in general, and among those who would say "damn, I should have joined them (the terrorists)," and might be radicalized to take action on another opportunity. In other words, just like we treat the danger of incel radicalization online, we should also fear terrorist radicalization as well, because these have real-life consequences.

It is so clear that the foremost thought of these people is just plain antisemitism.

This is something that truly bugs me, again, as a pro-Palestine Israeli Jew: antisemitism absolutely overshadows and clouds the very righteous cause of liberation and peace. Instead they show a desire to eradicate Jews from the region, and given the reactions against diaspora Jews, also worldwide. It's a deep-rooted hatred against Jewish people, not just Israelis, because then there would be far more protests about the genocide in China for instance. The focus on the Jewish part of it all, and the calls to "rape their daughters" are all a sign that many "pro-Palestine" protests are at best infested and at worst rooted in antisemitism, and not truly in caring for Palestinians as their main aim.

A TV station interviewed people on the streets and one was so "verfassungsfeindlich" (anticonstitutional) the police are investigating the interviewee.

Is there a chance you could, even privately, tell me more about what he said, or, if not, tell me the name of the network so i might find it on twitter? This truly is extremely worrying, since the German constitution does say every person shall have the right freely to express and disseminate his opinions in speech, writing and pictures, so what he said must've been extremely harsh and violent. Obviously, you have got no obligation to share - especially if it can hurt you or point to your location, or if the mere topic puts you in any form of discomfort, as well as if you just wish not to for any reason or no reason at all.

Thank you again for the information, the concern, and the humanity - all of which, especially the the latter two, are greatly appreciated by us Jewish people, both in Israel and the diaspora.

[former-leftist-jew]

Because to them, it's all just images on a screen that happens to someone else, never them or people they know.

I work with adults with disabilities, and legit had this conversation with a client who is a leftist gamer who spends all his free time on social media, particularly twitter and tumblr.

When I said I was watching Attack on Titan, he frowned, "I never saw that because I heard it's SUPER antisemetic." The fact that I was Jewish, watched the whole show from beginning to end, and didn't feel that was the case didn't matter to him.

When I said that my Jewish transmasc roommate basically bullied me into getting him the Harry Potter game for his birthday, this client said, "But how can you support JKR when she's super transphobic... and anti-semetic, too?"

But this exact same client often froths at the mouth over the Israeli "genocide" of Gaza, spits the word "zionist" like it's a slur, goes on and on about how you can't official news sources because the [Big Bad] Israeli Goverment bribes major news networks to go along with their white settler-colonial interests, etc.

And whenever I point-out the real-world antisemetic stereotypes and conspiracy theories these claims resemble that lead to real-world violence against Jews, he blinks and acts like I'm over-reacting.

This same young adult literally goes red in the face and froths at the mouth over the moral outrage of things like, "Disney letting Princess Star from Star vs. The Forces of Evil destroy all magic basically teaches kids that they condone genocide because she destroyed MILLIONS of magic-based beings."

Yet acts like I'M too sensitive for raising my voice a single octave when showing him a video of mobs of pro-Hamas protestors yelling, "Gas the Jews! Death to all Jews!"

He also keeps forgetting that I have actual skin in the game regarding this conflict. Every now and again, he asks me, "Why do you care/know so much about the Israel/Gaza War, anyway?"

And I have to look him in the eye and said, "Because I have actual skin in the game. How people respond to this war can affect me and my friends. If the same people yelling 'Death to all Jews' today decide to go after Jews tomorrow, it's MY neck on the chopping block."

He acts meek/ashamed every time, and apologizes, "Oh, that's right. I keep forgetting that this is personal for you," but since his diagnosis doesn't include memory problems, the fact that he keeps forgetting is also really telling to me.

Because none of it is "real" to him.

News and TV shows alike are all just fiction, entertainment, and/or images on a screen to him. Harry Potter and J.K. Rowling are both names that appear on a screen that he sees people like to shit-talk online.

A cartoon Disney princess destroying all magic and thus killing all magic-based beings by proxy is just as much of a "genocide" to him as the Holocaust against the Jews and the "Israeli genocide against Gaza," because they're all just images and videos that flash before his eyes on a tablet.

It's bothers me that goyim can so easily point out that goblins are an allegory for jews in Harry Potter yet when people use zionist not to genuinely mean zionist but as an allegory for jews, they are suddenly blind.

And sorry for being so radical for just a second, but irl antisemitism is much more important to deal with than fictional antisemitism/antisemitism in fiction books

[nonotetextposts]

having some thoughts and want to post them somewhere so they aren't just swirling around in my head

i was raised reform jewish and learned a bit of hebrew and attended our synagogue regularly until i got bar mitzvahed at 13 and then pretty much dropped it altogether, but i always felt generally connected to like, judaism as a cultural identity i went to israel on birthright with my sister in 2017, and so i feel like my opinion on the current conflict is at least marginally more well-educated than the average american's

first and foremost it absolutely is an apartheid state, there is no doubt about it, and anyone who tells you otherwise is either a useful idiot or is lying to you. they have 20 ft high walls topped with barbed wire surrounding the palestinian territories, literally an open-air prison the israelis can freely go to palestinian territory if they want, but not vice versa, and the palestinians who are allowed into israel are there as manual laborers and paid low wages (the analog i thought of was how we treat migrant workers in the us), and this was portrayed as a positive thing to our tour group because see look we don't mind them so much, as long as they're being subservient to us under threat of violence or starvation

one thing that stood out to me that i think was probably lost on people not actively looking for it is that our tour guides only ever referred to them as "arabs," never palestinians, or even muslims etc, because that would validate them as citizens or human beings, whereas instead the word arab has basically become shorthand for "them" in the us vs. them dynamic ironic coming from the same group that's on the receiving end of the echo parentheses also that the tour guides talked a lot about how israel has to defend itself ("herself") from the arabs, and all of this is because we're constantly under attack from the arabs, and this is all because of the arabs. and i noticed that they never mentioned or even acknowledged why they might be so angry, like they just conveniently never mentioned what exactly it was that they were so upset about like. if you did something bad and you're like yeah we're not perfect but we tried to make amends and made changes to our foreign policy to accommodate and prevent it from happening again, then it shows that you're willing to be transparent and move forward but they literally never did that, the narrative was very much that israel is perfect and has never done anything wrong, which is uhhh i think even in the most generous interpretation just blatantly not true, and that's something that you would say when you're trying to hide and sweep under the rug the bad deeds that you've done, which tells me that they are very much aware that they're the bad guys here and trying to lie to my face about it because i'm an impressionable american tourist

couple more thoughts bc this is getting long already but it is worth mentioning that the hate goes both ways, they really do not view each other as people, like if you tell the average israeli that what they're doing is genocide they'd be like. yeah that's why we're doing it and palestinians do not seem very fond of israel either, and part of me thinks that they would genocide them right back if they were the ones in the position of power unfortunately i don't think a 2-state solution is really possible because like. they hate each other, in a way that i don't think we really have a reference point for in the us

gonna take a pause here to clarify that israel absolutely is evil and committing genocide against a group of people over whom they have power having said that i also think that a lot of propaganda is floating around social media, obviously the mainstream narrative from both the right and the (center-)left is pro-israel, but i feel like a lot of people get wrapped up in trying to do the right thing (and/or impress their mutuals by being socially conscious as visibly and conspicuously as possible) that they forgot about the wisdom of garfield

you are not immune to propaganda

and when you see a picture of a little palestinian girl with bows in her hair and big sad eyes. that is also propaganda, and throughout the last few decades and even as recently as the last few years, there have been a not-insignificant amount of pro-palestinian groups that have done some horrifically fucked up shit and killed and maimed a lot of innocent people, and i feel like it's disingenuous to act like the situation is entirely black and white, and to claim otherwise would basically be doing the same thing my tour guides were doing

and all of this is to say that i've noticed an uptick recently in discourse about genocide joe etc and how voting is useless and you shouldn't vote because you're voting for genocide if you vote for biden which is driving me fucking nuts because that is literally the same discourse that was floating around in 2015-16 that is at least in part responsible for t///p getting elected, and i think maybe because it's been almost a decade and there's a new generation of voters who weren't like, aware back then. but like… the people who were saying those things are the same ones who turned out to be either literal russian bots or unknowingly signal boosting them like. y'all. have we learned nothing??? and unfortunately no, i think we did not

ok im done thanks for reading or at least skimming through. my jewish mother's best friend is a muslim woman from egypt and they have been very close for a very long time and our families are very close and i am thankful to live in a world with so much beauty in it

[colorfulcast]

I’ve been a lot on Tumblr lately. This post is for me.

Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza. Over the last couple months, I’ve come to believe that the Israeli government is exterminating Palestinians on purpose, because they want Palestine to no longer exist. They want both Gaza and the West Bank to be Israel.

I’m not sure Israel wants this because, after the October attack by Hamas, the government wants to make absolutely sure something like that never happens again, or if they have wanted to get rid of Palestine for the last few decades, and are using Hamas as an excuse. Or something in the middle.

But it’s clear they are committing a genocide for their own end. It is clear that the Israeli government cares little, if any, about Palestinian lives. And it is clear that they will do nearly anything to control the news that comes out of Gaza. That they are willing to tell lies and kill journalists in order to keep that control. And none of that is acceptable. I think the state of Israel should be dismantled.

But there has been something on my mind.

In the above paragraphs, I talked about the Israeli government, and not it’s people, because that’s more comfortable to me. I dislike authority, and government. I think people are generally, inherently good. So if an army occupies a city, killing hundreds, that’s the governments fault for making that decision. And if the Israeli population goes along with it, then that’s because they’ve been lied to. Or mislead. Or brainwashed. Or suppressed.

But I’ve seen interviews with Israeli people on the street saying that they think what the army is doing is good. I’ve heard stories of them celebrating the deaths of Palestinians. Maybe the population of Israel knows what’s happening in Gaza. Maybe the majority of the Israel population is in favor of a genocide.

One tactic the Israeli government and media use, is that they label any criticism of Israel as antisemitism. It’s a smart tactic. No-one wants to be antisemitic. Anti-antisemitism caused the holocaust, which is like, the bad thing.

And so. You should specifically criticize the Israeli government. The Israeli government is doing a genocide. But not because they’re Jewish, but because they’re settlers. Israel needs to be stopped. The fact that they’re Jewish is insignificant.

And it’s important that you don't turn that criticism towards Israel into criticisms about Judaism in general. Judaism didn’t cause this genocide. Jewish people are not to blame. The Israeli government is to blame.

But what if... Israeli Jewish citizens are also to blame?

If most Jews in Israel are in favor of the genocide, and the government listens to what they want, then these Jews are at the very least complicit in the genocide, right? That doesn’t mean that I wish any harm onto them, it just means that like. I lay the blame with them. This is their fault. They have blood on their hands.

The reason why I’m writing this is because of a post I saw. Specifically this one.

It’s about how 95% of Jewish Israelis are pro-genocide. A writer named Zachary Foster made a Twitter post about it, and a Tumblr user named shashiatnight added that this genocide is “not just the work of Netanyahu but the culmination of the hope and work of every Zionist and their ancestors”. She ended the post by saying “Death to all of you.” It was eventually reblogged by a blog we follow.

It made me uncomfortable. I don't wish death upon them. And I feel like 'every Zionist and their ancestors' is too vague of a group. I read some replies and notes, and I wasn’t the only one who felt uncomfortable, which made me feel a bit better. Still, it got me thinking. Should I blame the Israeli Jewish citizens who believe the genocide is justified?

One thing I noticed is that the post didn’t share a link. So I tried to find out where the figure came from.

There is a program called The Peace Index. It’s a group that runs monthly polls on the population of Israel. Often around the question of the likelihood of peace. They choose the people not completely at random, but search out many different people from many different backgrounds in order to create a representative national sample of the adult population.

In the poll the Tumblr post was about, about January 2024, found here, they had 502 Jewish respondents and 103 Arab respondents (in Israel). Enough in my opinion to say something, but not necessarily completely representative. A few interesting results:

- 26.7% of Jewish respondents were in favor of peace, and 9.0% thinks it will happen.

- 74.8% of Arab respondents were in favor of peace, and 51.5% thinks it will happen.

- When asked to predict what the other group would answer to the first question, the Arab respondents correctly predicted that the Jewish respondents would not be in favor of peace. The Jewish respondents incorrectly predicted that the Arab respondents would not be in favor of peace.

- 38.4% of Jewish respondents were in favor of annexation of the occupied territories by Israel. (compared to 7.7% of Arab respondents).

- 66.1% of Jewish respondents think the number of casualties on the Palestinian side have been ‘completely justified’ and 21.3% think they have been ‘relatively justified’. (Arab respondents responded with 5.8% and 6.8% respectively)

- 50.8% of Jewish respondents responded that the The Israel Defence Forces have used an appropriate use of force, and 43.4% responded that they used too little force. (Arab respondents responded with 20.4% and 3.9% respectively).

A few questions are still going through my mind after reading this. If ‘only’ 38.4% of Jewish respondents want to annex Palestine, but only 26.7% of Jewish respondents want peace, what do most Israeli Jews want the war to accomplish? I feel like I’m still missing things here. The Jewish respondents also seemed much more opinionated then the Arab respondents (the Arab respondents answered ‘Don’t know’ far more often). And… how is 'Arab' defined, exactly? Is this anyone living in Israel that is not Jewish?

But let’s put that aside from now. That last point in the poll, about 50.8% + 43.4% = 94.2% of Jewish respondents thinking that the Israeli army used either an appropriate amount or too little force, is the point that was shared online.

Zachary Foster took that point and made a Twitter post, saying “95% of Jewish Israelis are pro-genocide. Let that sink in.” And then that post got screen-capped and shared on Tumblr by shashiatnight.

Zachary Foster, wrote an article a few days later where he goes into more detail. One part that caught my attention is this:

And this part at the end:

The article argues that yes, Israeli Jews believe the propaganda from the Israeli government. That's why they're scared of Arabs and in favor of the war. But there is a deeper problem then that, where Israeli Jews believe Jewish lives to be much more valuable. Where killing hundreds of bad Palestinians is justified if it means saving one good Jew.

So... ok. Alright. I wanted to know why most Israeli Jews support the extermination of Palestinians. And it's because they value Jewish lives above anything else, and believe the Israeli propaganda about the army being a force of moral good.

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to take away from all of this, other then: Ethnostate = Very bad. Like. A nation that exists to protect one group of people above all others is very bad. Any nation that has it laws favor one group of people over the other is very bad.

A government of an ethnostate can convince its people a genocide is justified, because it's people already believe that some lives are more valuable then others. The only remedy for this is to make ethnostates not exist. Israel should never have been founded. And now that it exists, it should be dismantled. Or at least: It should treat members of all religions and ethnicities the same. A two-state solution isn't good enough.

I don't feel like my actual opinions have changed since the beginning of this post. But I've grown more confident in them. I feel more at peace.

I guess I was still doubting some things, about how exactly I want this conflict to resolve. Like... sure, I've donated a little bit of money for Gaza. But what do I actually want, beyond the end of this genocide?

I want no ethnostate, ever. I want Israel to either stop existing or change to such a degree where it no longer resembles an ethnostate.

Does that put me at odds with people saying "Palestine will be free from the river to the sea"? I don't think it does. I think if Israel would stop existing that would be a good outcome. It's just that I'm also fine with Israel changing into no longer being an ethnostate. Which... hmm... If Israel changed that radically, would it really be 'Israel' any more?

I think the phrase 'Free Palestine' it can be broad enough to encompass my feelings and opinions. I'll add it to our Tumblr and Discord bio from now on.

[vigilantesyd]

You can feel how you feel about Taylor but she has never once mentioned the money or that status in fact she famously refuses to provide numbers to Forbes or anyone so they can get an accurate number and is also refusing to give Boxscore the Eras numbers. She is doing literally everything she can to minimize it - because most of her net worth is not liquid assets. So to divest any of it she would have to temporarily get much richer than she actually is. And more than half of the money comes from owning her masters (they calculate the “value” of the masters in her net worth) which means she’ll never see a dime of it because she’d die broke before she’d sell them.

As for speaking up about Palestine, while it might be nice, it is also very contrary to anything she has ever done before. She stays in her lane and doesn’t talk about things she knows she doesn’t know about. And after growing up with pro-Isr*el propaganda she is likely very uninformed on that topic. It may seem simple to talk about but lots of Pro-Palestine comments are also anti-Semitic. Lots of them. And she would want to be absolutely certain her words could not be twisted, because she’s been burned a lot.

So. If you’re still struggling you are. Loving her is not mandatory. Participating in her fandom is not mandatory. But it seems like you’re struggling with her not being who you want her to be, rather than being different than who she has always been.

i will respond to this politely because i am too old and quite frankly exhausted to be having stan wars, but just know that this came off very "shut up or unstan" and i don't think that's fair. i think i am absolutely allowed to, on my own blog, post how certain decisions she's made as of late have left a bad taste in my mouth. i believe i was pretty clear that i love her and believe she has good intentions. i love my friends and believe they are good people, but i would tell them and would hope they would tell me if they felt i was not upholding the ideals that i had always carried with me.

But it seems like you’re struggling with her not being who you want her to be, rather than being different than who she has always been.

my problem is that she IS different that who she has always claimed to be. ESPECIALLY with speaking out in regards to Palestine. the whole thesis of miss americana was that she was taking the muzzle off. what exactly has she said since then in powerful moments besides endorse joe biden in 2020 and told people to vote? and i'm not saying those were not powerful things, they worked, they did what they were supposed to. but it feels to me that ever since her fame sky rocketed again she's become too worried about her image and her empire to say anything about anything. and quite frankly, that's not an excuse when thousands of people are dying every day.

She stays in her lane and doesn’t talk about things she knows she doesn’t know about. And after growing up with pro-Isr*el propaganda she is likely very uninformed on that topic. It may seem simple to talk about but lots of Pro-Palestine comments are also anti-Semitic.

she is best friends with gigi hadid. if they are really as close as they've claimed to be all these years, you cannot tell me it has not come up in conversation. especially now. you are infantilizing her and honestly, sound like you're regurgitating israeli propaganda. it's not a complicated issue. anyone who says it is too complicated wants you to think you're too stupid to understand. it's very simple, actually, and even without knowing the history, she'd have to live under a rock to not know there is a genocide going on. she's not stupid. she's actually very very intelligent and we both know this. so let's not pretend she's stupid to justify her not speaking. and your comment about "lots of pro-palestine comments are also anti-semitic" is literally a zionist talking point and not true. saying that an entire population of people should not be wiped out or forcibly displaced is not anti-semitic and that's all anyone wants from her. calling for a permanent ceasefire is not anti-semitic. if that's how the other side wants to interpret it, there's nothing anyone can do about that. she didn't seem to have a problem with republicans or trump coming after her when it was convenient.

i'm not going to elaborate on the money issue because to be frank it does not matter to me the nuance of "oh it's actually her net worth and not liquid assets" because she still has an absolutely insane amount of money that she is clearly not doing enough to redistribute.

[shinra-makonoid]

Are we really at the: "You didn't vocally showed your disappoval of a theocratic group of murderers it means you're for them"?

Again, it feels like asking someone to fit into the right boxes, to have the exact same views and the specific opinions about things because otherwise I'm an enemy or antisemite. We discussed that before, I tried to tell you about how the word "terrorist" and "criminal" were probably not great due to the historical views and the fact that juridictions need to be a thing for people to be considered criminals, that it was debatable. I talked about how people who have the stance to consider that this is a resistance group can actually think that as this has been, again, historically the case for numerous other groups of people fighting against what they considered to be oppressive. Even that was too much for you, even discussing it is too much for you. That's how close-minded you are to nuances regarding this issue, and just by pondering about it, I was an antisemite. I did the bad thing of musing ideas based on my cultural knowledge, clearly, that's equivalent to hating on Jews.

None of that is me taking a stance regarding Hamas though. I can't believe I'm saying that, but discussing the political, historical and sociological impacts of specific words and their meanings for different group of people (who do not think like you or me) doesn't mean I agree with the group that murder people.

It is super performative to ask someone to vocally condemn a specific group because otherwise they're antisemite. Which is specifically why I won't do it, I will not be pressured to say or claim anything. My stance is clear, if that's not good enough for you, or if you think my stance is unclear, it's on you and your ability to read and understand information, not on me to perform for your ideological stupid boxes.

I disagree with that stance. Does that mean you clearly agree with killing people from Gaza because you think the Israel government is protecting itself against the threat of Hamas (resisting an oppressor)? Because that's what you're infering the opposition to have as a stance. If I didn't think better of you, I'd say you're telling on yourself.

So, what you're saying is: agreeing with "I don't like people being mass killed", which is the majority of people arguing that this is a "genocide", is "basically being pro Hamas", right? That's a big leap if I can see one.

I disagree with the *Israeli government's* actions. I couldn't care less they're Jews, and I also can understand where they come from and why they took the actions they do from their positions. You sound just like Menalez with her "it's because I'm a woman!!!" stance any time there's a disagreement. It's frankly embarassing. But keep imagining my positions and all the antisemitic beliefs that I have, I'm sure it's really fun.

Btw, I never specifically condemned JK Rowling, maybe it means I'm a secret TERF. I also never specifically condemned transphobes, homophobes. I also never specifically condemned Hitler or Staline, it must be that I'm a nazi and a communist. I also never condemned torturers, it must mean I'm pro torture. I'm hoping to get a list on all the performative shit I must say and condemn to be considered a reasonable person on this website by Miss Nerdylilpeebee.

The thing I don't understand is when I say free Palestine, so many people think that means I hate the Israeli people. That I don't care if they die.

I care about the Israeli people.

I care about the Israeli hostages that were shot down by their own military.

I care about all Israeli hostages in general.

I care about the Israeli men being thrown in jail because they refuse to assist in the "war" around them.

I care about the Israeli people who don't support the genocide happening infront of their very eyes.

Even the Israeli people who do, I don't wish death upon them, or whatever hateful thing you think I do.

When I say free Palestine, I don't mean I hate the Israeli people.

When I say free Palestine, I mean Free Palestine