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"The end of liberalization in Poland, like its beginning, was accompanied by anti-Semitism. During March of 1968, an organ­ized “anti-Zionist” (a euphemism for anti-Jewish) campaign was launched against those self-defined Poles whom Polish society as a whole tended to regard as nothing but Jews. It turned into one of the most extensive witch hunts in the history of that country. The harassment began with an attack on and purge of a few people in top positions in the party, in the government, in the army, and in public life, but soon it broadened to include individuals of Jewish origin in all walks of life. They were pressured to provide proof of loyalty to the state and party, proof which, when given, failed to exonerate them. Anti-Semitic insults were hurled at individuals of Jewish descent. The students protesting peacefully against the end of liberalization and the tightening of controls in Poland were alleged to be misled into insurrection and counter-revolution by clever, traitorous Zionist plotters. They were mercilessly sup­pressed. When interrogated by the police, arrested students of Jew­ish or mixed parentage were repeatedly asked to state their nation­ality, and their response 'Polish' was rejected as not true. Others who were 'real Poles' were asked, 'why did you tie yourself to these filthy Jews?' or, 'why did you allow yourself to be used by these kikes?' Their 'Zionist' leaders were arrested and put on trial. The parents of these stu­dents—sometimes prominent Communists—were removed from their jobs, as were other individuals of Jewish origin. All of these were urged to leave Poland, but permission to do so was given to them only if they renounced Polish citizenship and applied for exit to Israel."
Celia Heller, On the Edge of Destruction: Jews of Poland Between the Two World Wars, pg 299.
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mixmangosmangoverse · 8 months ago
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So when a celebrity says something pro Palestine or even pro Hamas everyone goes "yeah woo celebrities should always use their platform to talk about issues"
But when a celebrity says "actually killing Israelis is bad" suddenly celebrities shouldn't get involved in conflicts and shouldn't use their platform to talk about issues
It's so blatant that people just mean "celebrities should only boost the opinions we deem correct and should never ever express sympathy for Jews, that's so lame"
I'm so done
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givingblood · 8 months ago
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I need this to all be over so the left can stop pretending to give a fuck and inevitably move on to the next cool and trendy shit to care about. You only give a fuck about what you percieve as "white interference" and when it's all over you'll pretend the middle east and all its human right disgraces in the parts of the world you champion (yemen) don't exist just like you did before October.
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fdelopera · 10 months ago
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I'm copying these peer-reviewed tags from @achaziel .
Jew-hating, racist, Orientalist, white leftists filled with white guilt are the fucking WORST. These white-knighting white saviors are a fucking scourge.
This white lady was inserting herself into this discourse just to stroke her own damn ego, and to try and expunge her guilt from all the racism she's engaged in, and yet she's still steeped in all the unexamined Jew-hatred she learned from the KKK members in her own family!
White people, y'all need to take SEVERAL seats.
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I still think about that girl who accidentally talked to Nazis at a Palestine rally. It's been dissected and memed to death already, but one point of her bafflingly long essay sticks out to me and I haven't seen people really talk about that aspect of it.
She mentioned her burning need to finally do something about Gaza, that's why she's taking a stand and organizing and getting out there and protesting, right? And yet she starts her essay mentioning that she has KLANSMEN in her extended family and they're a deeply entrenched part of the South where she lives. And I just nodded skeptically because wait wait wait wait wait!
You mean to tell me that a war happening a world away, which does not affect you aside from how much social clout you'll have among your online leftie friends, is important enough to start protesting and organizing and "resisting" for. But you have done nothing about the Klan?? That's just presented as a status quo, they've always existed where you live and always will. Sorry that's just how it is now let's move on?
You could be actually trying to dismantle the KKK in your region, for what little you can actually contribute to that, it's still much more tangible and direct than marching up to a Jewish owned business and shouting "From the River to the Sea!" I think it really speaks to something about White American Leftists. I'm not sure what yet, but I'll let you know. Maybe it's their delusion that they're not "safe," combating injustice so they pick on Israel because truly Israel and Israelis do not care about them. They're gnats.
But according to these WALs, a Jewish state, flawed as it is, merely existing and engaging in combat with its hostile neighbors, is more of a threat, more of a yearning cry for justice, than the Ku Klux Klan?? I know those creeps haven't just been idling by twiddling their thumbs in the post Obama era either. After Charlottesville? No no no, you just don't want to confront your own complicity in White Supremacy (considering you have family in the Klan??). You don't want to disrupt the tenuous truce between the various political factions of your family at Thanksgiving.
But you're gung-ho full steam ahead calling for the largest Jewish community on Earth to lose their sovereignty and possibly their homes, maybe even their lives, and you just don't see an issue with that. You're delusional, you're narcissistic, and you're lazy and immature. You're every bit as pathetic as your conservative father tells you you are.
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sunshine-gremlin · 11 months ago
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Turns out the War on Christmas is real, it's just being fought by fossil fuel execs
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thecorvidforest · 1 year ago
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so um….looks like Bradley Cooper (goy) has been cast to play Leonard Bernstein, a Jewish man, in his upcoming film Maestro (a biopic about a real Jewish composer). rather than hiring a Jewish actor to tell a story about a Jewish man, they cast a goy…who will be wearing a prosthetic nose.
and if that weren’t enough - they cast Carrie Mulligan, an Irish woman, to play Leonard’s wife…who was a Latina. and Maya Hawke, a white woman who is neither Latina nor Jewish, has been cast to play their daughter.
AND don’t forget that Bradley Cooper grabbed the rights to Bernstein’s music before Jake Gyllenhaal, A JEWISH MAN WHO WAS GOING TO MAKE A BIOPIC ABOUT BERNSTEIN, was able to. we could have had a respectful biopic about a Jewish man, told by Jews. instead we get this.
i…don’t have words to explain how insidious this is. the absolute goydacity to keep a Jewish man from telling this story, whitewash the other people in a true story, and to cast a goy instead of a Jewish person to tell a true story about a Jewish man, and have that goy wear a prosthetic nose. they would rather Jew-ify a goy than cast an actual Jew. i’m disgusted.
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jewish-sideblog · 2 days ago
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Goyim love to say things like, “How did people let the Holocaust happen?” And there are a lot of possible answers to that question. Some believe that the average citizen of the Nazi Empire simply didn’t know about the camps. Others say that the average citizen opposed the regime, but they were deterred by their government or the fear of being killed. And some believe that it was some kind of perfect storm or one-time-glitch, that those people from that place just happened to be uniquely predisposed to evil, and that it can never happen again.
This is almost always accompanied by some variation on the phrase, “If I had been there, I wouldn’t have.”
Not even a hundred years later, Jews across the world are being targeted for destruction by both White Supremacists and Jihadist Islamists. Both weaponize the same ideologies and tactics that the Nazis used, and both happily embrace the Nazi legacy. Both are emboldened, not disgusted, by the nearly unprecedented increase in antisemitic hate crimes. They are openly calling for our death in our streets and our subways and our political offices.
And yes, in some countries, they are met with opposition by the average citizen. In some countries, decent and caring and inclusive people stand up for us. And in some countries, they win. But not all the time. When they lose, you have to reconcile with the truth:
The Holocaust didn’t happen because the average person in Eastern Europe failed to stop the Nazis. The Holocaust happened because the average person in Eastern Europe was a Nazi. And if the average person is a Nazi in any other nation, at any other time, it will happen again.
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spacelazarwolf · 1 month ago
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a year ago, i was celebrating simchat torah when my rabbi interrupted the services to let us know there had been an attack on israel. we didn’t know how bad yet, but we prayed everything would be alright. the rest of the service went on as planned, but there was a chill in the air, like we knew something had changed. something big. but we didn’t quite understand it yet.
a year ago, i watched people i’d followed for years celebrate a gruesome massacre of over a thousand human beings before we even really knew what had happened. i watched anons pour into my inbox, demanding i condemn israel even though israel hadn’t even retaliated yet.
a year ago, i talked to my nonna on facetime for her birthday. she was in her 90s and wasn’t as present anymore, and i could barely focus because my thoughts were thousands of miles away. i promised her i’d call her the next day but my next day became scrolling past horrific photos and videos i didn’t want to see, posts celebrating the attacks, posts telling people that if they didn’t celebrate the attacks that they were bad people. she died two weeks later and the same people sharing the posts celebrating the massacre sent me messages telling me it was good my nonna was dead, or extremely crude and disgusting messages about what they wanted to do to her dead body because she was “probably a zionist.”
a year ago, i worked at a synagogue that started getting dozens of calls and emails from people, across the spectrum from neo nazis to evangelical christians to radical leftists saying the most horrific things, telling us it was our fault, that we had to do something, that it was on us. we were responsible. an anon told me i was a zionist because i had a zionist language on my blog (hebrew) and worked at a zionist institution (synagogue).
a year ago, i started losing friends one by one after many of them started to share posts justifying or celebrating the massacre or memes created by neo nazis, some of which didn’t even bother to sub out “jews” for “zionists” but they shared them anyway. i was pushed out of an activist group after months of begging them to stop using antisemitic language because i had the audacity to tell a white gentile in the group not to say racist things about a black indigenous jew behind her back, and said gentile told me he didn’t have to listen to me and that he could “claim” the holocaust too because his ancestors were from eastern europe.
a year ago, i watched in real time as the world i thought i knew, the world in which jews had a future and safety in the united states, crumbled day after day. people that previously went out of their way to take care of me and support me decided that because i didn’t feel comfortable marching alongside pictures of hitler i must be a zionist and therefore no longer belonged. the person processing my government aid didn’t want to approve me because i worked for a synagogue part time and argued that the synagogue should just pay me more because “they can afford it.” my synagogue, which has been involved in social justice since its founding several decades ago, along with its rabbis who have been just as involved, were abandoned by the communities they had put their blood, sweat, and tears into advocating for when they had the audacity to grieve for the dead of october 7th.
a year ago, i learned the hard way that we are not special in this time. antisemitism is a river that has ebbed and flowed for thousands of years, and i felt like a fool for thinking a dam could be built overnight.
a lot of people say that every day of this year for them has been october 7th, but for me every day has been october 8th. the day after the initial shock, when reality started to sink in. the realization that all the people who had shared “happy rosh hashanah” posts or complimented my kippah or pretended to care about harry potter goblins were quickly dropping the facade. that my token minority card had expired and now having a jew in their group didn’t look diverse, it looked “sympathetic toward israel.” every day has been a painful reminder that no one else is grieving like we are, and a large number of those people are angry that we are grieving. they don’t understand that we’re not just grieving the lives lost and the hostages. we’re grieving for the world we thought we knew, a world where we might have a chance to thrive like we did in the golden age of spain. but those golden years are ending. and that is one of the things we are grieving.
a lot of people also say that they wish they could go back to who they were on october 6th, but i don’t. i’m glad the illusion was shattered, that i can see more clearly who will stand with jews even if they face backlash, who will challenge their antisemitic biases and do the hard work to unlearn them, and who did not have to be asked twice to share literal nazi rhetoric if it meant feeling like a hero. i’m glad the masks are coming off because it means you can’t gaslight us anymore and tell us it’s all in our heads. we can see you for exactly who you are now. and we will not let you break us.
i don’t want to be living forever in october. i don’t want the blissful ignorance of october 6th, but i also don’t want the bitter anger of october 8th. i want to stand up for what i believe in, to celebrate my culture and my people, and no amount of intimidation or harassment will keep me from loving my jewishness. you have shown me i can no longer live in october 6th, but i refuse to let you keep me in october 8th.
#ip
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I feel really ignorant now but I've only recently learned that J. Robert Oppenheimer was Jewish and I'm so disgusted with the discourse on tumblr and twitter now.
"Progressives", start actually acknowledging and being against the genocide of Jewish people challenge.
"Sad white man tears" and it's about a man who was living at the same time his people were being systematically exterminated and was only one generation away from being a Jew in Germany during the Shoah himself, how the fuck do you people live with yourselves?
Some of you wouldn't give a shit that the Shoah happened if they had only murdered Jewish people and it shows.
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prokyon · 3 months ago
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FYI for those who missed it:
tikkunolamresistance was mass reported and then deleted from tumblr. zionists have taken the username. you should block this account.
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i hope that the owner of the original tikkunolamresistance username gets to rebuild on tumblr, but i fear that the account would just get mass reported again.
once again zionists don't give a shit about jews or stopping actual antisemitism, which was a key part of the educational side of the original account's purpose. zionists would rather manufacture antisemitism, hold hands with white supremacists and nazis, and be antisemitic to anti-zionist jews. disgusting.
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hussyknee · 11 months ago
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Muslims: "I haven't heard from my family I think they may be dead/ they saw me post a Palestine flag on my Twitter and now they want to deport me/ I'm afraid to wear my hijab anymore/ all my coworkers were talking about how we should all be rounded up and killed/ I'm getting death threats calling me a terrorist and my workplace is throwing me under the bus/ someone beat my uncle in the street after 9/11 and now we're all afraid to go out/ I went to the school counselor and they reported me to the campus administration for antisemitism/ the President said we rape women and behead babies and now they're saying that not even Muslim children are innocent, I feel like I'm not even human anymore—"
White Jews: "Someone shouted "Free Palestine" at me in Starbucks 😢 I had to walk past people chanting "From River to the Sea" 😭 they keep calling Zionists "baby-killers" and "animals" just like the Nazis 😢 they wanted us to make a statement about Palestine for our Hanukkah event 😭 someone tagged our synagogue "Free Palestine" just because people are being genocided 😢 they only talk about Islamophobia not making Jews feel safe 😢 I signed a petition and no one gave me a cookie 😭 I'm pro-Palestine but this is making me want to move to Israel..."
JoC: "Yeah, antisemitism is rising...from white nationalists for supporting Palestine. And alt right people who feel validated about "MSM" and Israel having bought Congress. But we're mostly in danger of dying of cringe right now. What do y'all need?"
White Jews stop whinging in the Palestine tags challenge (impossible).
How is one supposed to have solidarity with this level of Caucasity I ask you.
#bro the very fact that the world has been watching people with the star of david on their armbands blowing up children for two solid months#and the most you've experienced is fucking graffiti and random-ass people being mean to you#is the strongest and clearest possible evidence that there is no comparison between Islamophobia and antisemitism#i'm from one of the poorest countries in the world that has no Jews and hates Muslims#by all rights I have no dog in this fight#but nearly every interaction Ive had with a white Jew has been them insisting that they're the most oppressed people ever#and outright scaring BIPOC from objecting and just making us feel like their whiteness was a knife against our necks#''do you care about antisemitism'' has the exact same connotations as ''do you condemn hamas'' to me#i have been so disgusted and suffocated by y'all for years until I found JoC#and realised what I thought was antisemitism was repressed anger at white silencing#and even now your behaviour is unspeakably abhorrent#the fact that a religion doesnt make you a genocidal white supremacist goes without saying#but if you think we can't see how zionism and israel came to be through your sheer self-centered Caucasity#you're a fucking idiot#you have no idea how angry BIPOC communities are at you and how it's fuelling actual antisemitism#and it's 100% your fault. you made judaism isnto a weapon for whiteness and you refuse to interrogate or own the harms you have done#i hope more jews of colour find us and that they wont have to deal with the ramifications of their white counterparts behaviour#the way queer and christian people from diasporas of colour and the Global South have to do every day#free palestine#islamophobia#racism#anti blackness#knee of huss
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redditantisemitism · 8 months ago
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Sigh. I’ve had conflict with this person in the past, and I’ve been avoiding talking about them again, but this is especially egregious and I do want to address it.
How do you think the language and religion spread? People didn’t just decide to switch over en masse, they were conquered. It’s ahistorical to deny that.
The idea that Jews are “white” is complicated, but the idea that Jews possess whiteness is a relatively new concept. Conversations about this have been going on inside the Jewish community for a while. The key there is that it’s inside the community. The idea that this individual feels they, as a non-Jew, are the arbiter of Jewish identity is disgusting.
The idea that Jews aren’t the “real Jews” is not only blatantly antisemitic, it plays into conspiracy theories.
The use of Jewish tags (jumblr, am yisrael chai) are yet another instance of this individual trying to make sure Jews see this post, even when those tags are incorrect. This is clearly harassing, and this user does it frequently.
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germiyahu · 10 months ago
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There's such an intricate interplay between antisemitism and islamophobia from the slacktivist left. For every reason they can think of to delegitimize the Jewish People's connection to Eretz Yisrael, it's propped up by some Noble Savage presumptions about Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims.
Since Jews in America are seen as a model minority, seen as having accessed whiteness and privilege, and "antisemitism" is at worst having to explain what Hanukah is to clueless Christians, the Left is confused as to exactly why Jews care about Jerusalem and the Land of Israel so much. Shouldn't they be above such petty and barbaric and outdated concerns such as a dusty old book from 2,000 years ago?
They should be more enlightened than that. They're all rich suburban secular Democrats. They're the leftist religion, according to bloggers on this very platform. There is no room for Judaism to be a religion, there's no acknowledgment of ancient customs, rituals, and the deep mysticism that's still alive and well in the Jewish community. There's no attempt to understand Jewish history and culture and why a group of people you think shares your vaguely atheistic vaguely liberal (and not in the Tankie sense) vaguely smug detached Western worldview... is more complex and unique than that.
Jews should be happy living in Diaspora because clearly the problem of antisemitism is fixed now, and never really was a problem in America. There must be something sinister behind a desire to reestablish a country by and for Jews. There must be something colonial, oppressive, European and White about it. Because why else would they do it? They have it good here. And no we won't acknowledge where Israelis primarily descend from because that requires us to do research and have a shred of nuance and integrity when it comes to Jews. No thanks!
A lot of the modern left is nonconsensually dragging Jews kicking and screaming from their own unique demographic toward the banal Norm. To themselves. But not totally. See they think they relate to Jews and vice versa, but not enough that when they think Jews should "know better," or haven't "learned their lesson," from the Holocaust, it engenders a deep seeded disgust and mistrust and rage that's not felt for actually privileged mainstream dominant society.
Conversely, the slacktivist Left sees Arabs as savages. Silly desert people who eat sand and worship a big black cube and cover every inch of their bodies for some reason. How quaint! When the Palestinian/Arab/Muslim cause explains that Jerusalem is important to them, the White Western Leftist nods sagely and says "Your culture is so valid queen," because they don't care. They just accept that Muslim society would be willing to fight over an ancient city proscribed as holy in dusty old tomes. Because that fits the narrative already surrounding Muslims.
They're seen as backwards, but the Left, reacting to their conservative parents and the Bush era, see "Muslims are backwards," and says not "No actually they're modern groups of people with practical geopolitical goals," but instead "Yeah and that makes them better than us!" Especially with this new crop of baby Leftists who think Islamo-Fascist "Feudalism" or whatever the best term would be, is aspirational or at least harmless... because it's not capitalism :)
So Muslims are infantilized and condescended to because the Western Leftist is still just as racist as their parents, but they feel guilty about their parents without considering their contribution to White Supremacy and the Post Bush surveillance state. And all the while Jews are reprimanded and held to an impossible standard because the Western Leftist, again, rejects their conservative parents' philosemitism, and decides that Jews Must be Punished when they step off the pedestal that Suffering the Shoah placed them on.
Jews should be above nationalism, Jews should know that demurely suffering pogroms and ethnic cleansing and genocide and general inequity and humiliation will earn them their divine reward in the end. Muslims should not be above nationalism, because they're not capable of being above it, and can't we throw them a bone, after all Obama was the worst president in history because of the Drone War and let's not mention George W Bush at all :0
Hot take, but I believe this is an essential underpinning of where the average disaffected White millennial/zoomer Leftist's head is at with regard to Israel and Palestine. They won't acknowledge it of course, but I can generally see through things like this.
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victusinveritas · 12 days ago
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From Rebecca Solnit:
Just in case I'm a major news source for you or your news sources are not telling you enough about the grotesquerie, here's what happened at the hateathon tonight in Madison Square Garden. It was shockingly ugly (in our now familiar shocking-but-not-surprising mode) and interesting in that it won't exactly widen the base of support, including as it did insults for Palestinians, Puerto Ricans, Latinx people generally, watermelon jokes and "Dixie" for Black people, and an endless stream of weird miserable resentful white men, including Musk and RFK Jr and the disbarred Rudy Giuliani.
The argument that it's instead trying to wind up the faithful to be unleashed after Trump loses the election makes more sense (and it's long been striking that Trump has always focused far more on stoking and stroking his base than expanding it). Pretty sure no presidential candidate for a major party has ever orchestrated anything like it. Spiritually they were all wearing bedsheets around a burning cross.
Striking that both Vance and Tucker Carlson expressed hate and scorn for Trump only a few years ago. It's transactional for most of them. And Trump is too stupid, apparently, to realize that both Musk and Vance (who told an unending stream of lies on the Sunday morning shows) intend to push him aside and rule themselves should they win.
They're very attached to the idea that a nebulous "they" tried to kill Trump, rather than the actual young registered Republican who took a shot at him in August.
Ron Filipkowski tweeted:
@RonFilipkowski
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So far the speakers at the Trump rally has been a disgusting racist who trashed Jews, Latinos and Black people, a drunk disbarred guy under indictment who just lost everything in a lawsuit, and an unhinged Christian nationalist who called Harris the antichrist.
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xclowniex · 3 months ago
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There is something to be said about how looking at stories and photos from Oct 7th and Gaza with the purpose of invoking an intense feeling of distress and grief is not normal and is a form of self-harm.
Firstly, you should prioritize your mental well-being over knowing every single detail that happened. You do not need to subject yourself to horrors to form a valid opinion, or be part of the conversation surrounding the current conflict.
Secondly, there is an aspect of white guilt and goy guilt (depending on which phoros you are looking at) which plays a part in it, and subjecting yourself to the horrors of war is not a healthy outlet for it.
On a similar note, those who share pictures of atrocities as an act of "resistance" or to "pwn the antisemites or zionists" is even worse, and is quite frankly disgusting.
I put resistance in quotations as it's usually non Palestinians targeting random jews.
Idk it seems kinda messed up to use photos of dead children to be hateful? Like it's fucked up to do that.
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callimara · 1 year ago
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Important PSA
Criticizing Israel is NOT antisemetism or an attack on Jewish people because
ISRAEL =/= ALL JEWS
And while I am not saying that there is no antisemitism because there is plenty of that too, this is not a case of that. But grouping all Jews together as Israeli and presenting them as a monolith erases their individuality and identity. It's like calling all Asian people Chinese, and that if you criticize China, then you hate all Asian people. It doesn't make sense.
I am so frustrated seeing people who are trying to raise awareness about Palestine be called antisemetic and disgusting by people who cannot perceive Jews and Muslims as anything but a monolith. That's the reason why so many people are having trouble distinguishing between Hamas and Palestinian civilians, because to them, they're all the same.
And that's why they don't see an issue with collective punishment.
And you know what? Palestine is NOT just the Jewish holy land. It is also the Christian holy land, and the Muslim holy land. Palestine wasn't even the first choice for a Jewish homeland because it was heavily contested by Jewish rabbis at the time.
Turning Palestine (I say Palestine because the entirety of what is now Israel used to be Palestine) as an exclusively Jewish ethno-state means that people of Christian and Muslim faith all over the world are stripped of their holy land. The oldest church in the world, dating back to the times of Christ is located in Gaza, and who are the ones protecting it? Palestinians.
And you know who bombed it? Even though it had 500 refugees of both Muslim and Christian faith inside? Israel.
Even the slogan used for the founding of Israel itself, "A land without people for a people without a land." Is blatantly revisionist and erases the existence of Palestinians already living there. It erases all the historic religious sites that stand there and are frequented regularly by their respective devotees. Or worse, does not consider the Palestinians as 'people.'
Some people tend to forget that religious belief is NOT the same as race, and so you CANNOT claim indigeneity just because you are a certain religion. I am an Indonesian Muslim. Born Muslim, raised Muslim, and every generation of my family have been Muslim. That doesn't mean I can say I'm indigenous to Saudi Arabia. Let alone that Saudi Arabian land is my birthright.
If a white American woman born and raised in Seattle decides to convert to Hinduism, can she then say she is now indigenous to India? Or if she has a child, and that child had a child, and they were all raised as a Hindu, but have always lived in the US all their lives, can they claim that they are indigenous to India?
No.
And the fact is, the first Jewish settlers during The First Aliyah (great Jewish migration to Palestine) came from Eastern Europe and are genetically closer to Russians and other Slavs than they are to the Jews who remained in the Middle Eastern region after their exile (and I guess some people forget that you can convert into Judaism even if you didn't come from "The Promised Land." Like for marriages and stuff.) That's why they feel the need to distinguish themselves from the word "Arab."
Granted, there were also Yemeni Jews that migrated with them (whom I would say have stronger claims to indigeneity), but even in the transition camps, there was a clear divide between the European Ashkenazi Jews and the Yemeni Jews, who literally had their kids taken from them to give to the Ashkenazi Jews.
And let's not forget that when Jewish migrants from Ethiopia came, they were given contraceptives without consent to make sure they didn't impact the "desired" population.
Wake up. This isn't a religious war. This is European colonization.
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